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Sony RootKit Still A Problem?
XMilkProject writes "Current research indicates that some "350,000 networks--many belonging to the military and government--contain computers affected by [Sony's rootkit]." This is down from over half a million last month. "The security researcher worked from a list of 9 million domain-name servers.. asking each to look up whether an address used by the XCP software--in this case, xcpimages.sonybmg.com--was in the systems' caches." Will Sony face future repercussions for this potentially long-term damage?"
The first rule of the Sony Rootkit is that we do not talk about the Sony Rootkit.
The second rule of the Sony Rootkit is that we DO NOT TALK about the Sony Rootkit.
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
Because new music sucks.
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
NOSY
How do you restrict a DNS query to cache? Don't most DNS servers do recursive queries, looking up the address and replying if it is not in the cache?
I personally don't buy CDs so I wasn't affected but from what I've heard there are some serious problems with the "patch" Sony provided. I'm just a bit curious... Does the patch keep the rootkit permanently disabled and removed? It seems to me that if we put a deviant Sony CD back into our computer that the rootkit would just be reinstalled. Then do we have to run the patch again? This is rediculous. I've do not intend on purchasing any music that has the SONY lable on it. This to me is just plain stupid. What gives Sony the right to install deviant software on "MY" pc and then make it stealth so that I don't know it's there. As far as I'm concerned I think that's the lowest a company can go. That's stooping to the level of those bastard red headed step children Spammers/Spyware installer/Virus/worm pushing assholes.
I'm to the point now watching this rediculous attempt from Sony to attach it's controls on something that I purchase the rights to use/listen/backup and trying to enforce through deviant means. What is this rootkit supposed to do!? They just wanted to install it for the Hell Of It? Nope, it's supposed to reinforce their stupid DRM bullshit and keep me from listening to the music that I paid for. I'm to the end of my rope. I think that there needs to be a group or mutiple groups put together that should purposefully break what Sony is trying to do. I've been years out of the programming/Computer industry and thus lack the skills to do it, but I think that we should form Anti-DRM, anti-Sony groups to demolish the protection that they put on their stupid CD's. I will not from this day forward purchase anymore music from Sony until they drop their Bullshit practices. I call for a Boycot of Sony's Music. I'm not sure what one man can start, but I'll be damned if I'm going to stand around any longer and watch Sony impose itself on me! They want me to buy their shit, then they want to enforce by deviance their policy, and after all that they hijack my PC for WHo knows what! Ahhh! Time for a Revolution. I love my PS2, but am refusing to play it again until SONY stops all this Bullshit! No more video games purchased either. Damn you Sony! Leave me the Hell alone! Stay off of my Computer and my CD's! Damn you!
With that said, I feel somewhat better, but am still disturbed deep inside that they would have to stoop to that level to try and enforce their protection. Maybe they don't realize that as the sound comes out of the speakers it can be recorded with a MIC and pirated that way, or through LINE OUT. Damn them. Rant Over.
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"While the security issues related to the copy-protection software have apparently affected U.S. government and military computers, the Department of Justice will not likely get involved, said Jennifer Granick, executive director of the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School.
"I don't see the federal government suing a big company like Sony," she said. "The fact that military networks have likely been affected by this won't change that."
By the way, regardless of the magnitude of this problem currently, has Sony ever formally apologized for their damaging rootkit? They've said that most people "shouldn't care", or that it was their "right" to cripple people's computers, but I've not once heard them say sorry. Can anyone clarify?
Will Sony face future repercussions for this potentially long-term damage?
Probably not. They're already getting off somewhat easy for the original hubub.
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If you look at the settlement in the New York District court it is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Sony knowingly infected computers with what amounts to a trojan horse. In return they have to pay a little money and promise not to do it again. That's insane when you consider the witch hunts that have taken place for 16 year-old kids releasing a virus. Sony needs to pay and pay dearly for their deliberate criminal actions. The government always wants to send hackers a strong message...well then the same applies to corporations!
http://religiousfreaks.com/"Will Sony face future repercussions for this potentially long-term damage?"
No they won't because they're a huge multinational corporation who will probably layoff some employees and reward their top execs from the whole ordeal. I'm not trying to be some hippie about this, it's just the way the world works.
Security through Obscurity.
Proof by very large bribes. QED.
Robert K. Merton listed five causes of unanticipated consequences:
(I have applied them to Sony's decision to use rootkits)
1. Ignorance (It is impossible for Sony to anticipate everything.)
2. Error (Incomplete analysis of the rootkit problem, or following habits that worked in the past but may not apply to the current situation.)
3. Immediate interest in stopping a computer from copying something, may override long-term interests of sustaining their reputation as honest and trustworthy.
4. Basic values of trusting your customers may require or prohibit certain actions like installing a rootkit, even if the long-term result might be unfavorable. (These long-term consequences may eventually cause changes in those same basic values.)
5. Installing malware on people's computers is always a self-defeating prophesy (Fear of some consequence drives people to find solutions before the problem occurs, thus the non-occurrence of the problem is unanticipated.)
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
... what kind of person takes their Sony CDs to work in order to play them on PCs on a military network. Kinda bizarre that that's even possible.
;)
Makes me sleep better, on the other hand, to see that there are music lovers even there.
You know how the saying goes: Where one sings you may sit down and sing along, bad people have no song.
A World in a Grain of Sand / Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Infinity in the Palm of your Hand / And Eternity in an Hour.
Will Sony face future repercussions for this potentially long-term damage?
Of course not. They may pay a (relatively) small fine or two, but a quick a donation to a politician here and there, and that'll be all she wrote.
The whole concentration on the fact that military and government computers were infected is a tad sensationalist. You hear military or government and see DARPA or CIA.
In all odds the machines they're talking about are your typical office machines, used mostly for clerical work. Your network admin might not really worry or care about someone screwing it up; in all odds the people using them don't know enough to mess stuff up that badly.
I think all this is going to entail is the IT divisions of the important branches of the US government running rebuilds a little ahead of schedule...
That's my reprecussion, cowboys.
Take away the sonybmg.com domain name. Seems a reasonable punishment for domains used in such a way... Yes, I know the problem of infested machines that remain vulnerable thanks to Sony would still exist.
Sony won't be harmed at all. But since this incident an Air Force unit I used to belong to can no play music cd's on computers. Doing so can result in corporal punishment.
Part of the problem with the Sony Rootkit is the fact that many stores **STILL** are selling the rootkit enhanced CDs.
I personally have seen this at several Borders stores in my area, and each time I mention this to the management I recieve blank "deer in the headlights" looks.
Navicula hydraulica plena anguilarum est. Omnes castelli tuus nostri sunt. Ed elli avea del cul fatto trombetta.
...I heard somewhere that if you play these new Sony CD(s) backwards, the rootkit data will say, "yur sole iss miiine. yur sole iss miine. Haaaaale Goooooogle! Whaaaaaat issss thigh bidding miii massster? RaaaaaaaaaaAaAaaAaaa!" ...and a plume of blood will shoot out of your CD tray and melt your face like that dude from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
\\//_
Sony == Dangerous to my PC
What a great way to promote a brand.
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... is what the individual would have gotten from being hauled into the slammer so fast - had it been an individual who performed what Sony did.
/sure it's been said, bears saying again
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I agree. And consider this: If Sony is NOT prosecuted, then we have "lowered the bar" to the point where nobody can be convicted of hacking anything. They might still prosecute hackers for theft, fraud, phising, etc. but the malicious virus writers will be off the hook. And if the civil class action suits are settled for chump change, then the bad guys could ride on that bandwagon as well. "Your honor, the precendent has been set. Sony deliberately infected millions of PCs. Our research indicates the class action settlement had a net cash value of about $1.00 per class member. Why should my client have to pay any more than Sony did?"
Sadly, not only will Sony face no long term damage, but this will be a blockbuster year for them as they release PS3 and millions of quick-to-forget Slashdotters rush out to buy a PS3.
If consumers were smart, they'd go buy a Nintendo Revolution - or even an Xbox - and intentionally skip the next Playstation. Unfortunately, they won't, because their souls are fueled by acquisition and shiny-new-toy syndrome.
Will Sony face future repercussions for this potentially long-term damage?
No. Who do you think pays our politicians' wages? Are they going to bite the hand that feeds?
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Well, second only to Intel's dropping their Pentium brand from their Pentium chips. To quote Weird Al, "It's all about the pentiums, baby"
First thing to note - just because a computer belongs to the military or any other branch of the gov't does not mean it is 1) a secured computer 2) a computer with access to sensitive materials. This computer could be the janitors computer.
What the hell...300,000 people are placing music CDs at work? No wonder our government gets nowhere - they are all busy listening to music and playing games. Get a regular CD player people - they aren't that expensive.
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I don't know the current government policy on use of computers for non-work use but it used to be very strict. Same thing at many large corporations.
So does the presence of such a policy weaken any case against Sony?
Government: You infected our computers.
Sony: Surely this is not true as your policy clearly forbids personal use of computers. Are you operating in violation of your own policy?
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"You are not remembered for doing what is expected of you." - Atul Chitnis
You would think that Military or Government agencies wouldn't allow their employees to put CDs into their computers for security reasons alone. Its rather sad that anyone can bring in a random CD and pop it in. No wonder secure data is able to walk off of those "secure" computers so easily. [Guard] - Please empty your purse please miss. [Woman] - Nothing in there except for my personals and some music CDs. [Guard] - Ok miss, you may pass. [Woman] - {murmering under her breath} Sucker...now wheres those classified documents.
Click Click Bloody Click PANCAKES!
See Sony does things like this and its called a mistake. A hacker does something much less, and its call terrorism. Go USA!
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- A $5 limit on damages
- The requirement that you must sue Sony in New York
Once the settlement is official, Sony will have opened themselves up, such that they can be sued in court anywhere in the United States.Small claims court is the most likely venue, because you don't really need a lawyer to represent yourself and if Sony doesn't send a representative, you get a default judgement.
Collecting might be a bitch, but in this case, it definitely won't be the lawyers making all the money.
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
The answer is clear. The U.S. must invade Japan to overthrow the government responsible for this cyber terrorism.
I used to do assistant net admn in the armed forces, and it's amazing how little security there is on most military computer networks. They don't allow DHCP, but as the admin I found that there were no lockdowns on installing software like AIM and such. Only problem was, network security was dictated by higher commands, so I could do nothing but watchdog the system.
So it's really no suprise to me to so this rootkit affecting so many military and government compys, given their lack of conecern about system security.
Who are they affecting?
People who download music won't be affected, because they are downloading (IE Not buying the infected CD's)
So, just who are they trying to spy on? The customers who are giving them money and doing what they want?
It's so... 180 degrees out...
Have we broken the record yet for Slashdot articles about a single company over a single issue across a limited period of time?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I have seen a new security rule: You can't play ANY music CD on ANY work computer. If you want to play music at work, you have to use an external CD player. This is a VERY good rule as exemplified by Sony! I wonder if this is the rule at those DoD networks????
Your new Sony-BMG non-standards compliant music disc contains the Pwned.exe wonderful pretty music player. Click here to hear the music you've already paid for. Remember, you cannot return opened CD's for any refund. Have a nice day!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
The sony rootkit fiasco is an example of criminal conduct, not a civil tort matter. Why some high level Sony USA execs aren't in the slammer now is beyond me. Like you said, if some teenage scripter had done this, they would be facing 30 years or something, but because it's a large important company they are facing a few fines.
I don't mind if the IRS' computers get borked, but I'd like to hope NORAD is running a more secure operating system...say, some sort of Unix.
This damned rootkit certainly continues to be a problem, because 95% of the population has no clue that this fiasco ever occurred, or even cares what label produces their music CDs.
I had someone call me last week, complaining that Nero wouldn't copy her music CD. "It says I have the wrong CD," she said. I went to her office, looked at the CD box, and saw Sony/BMG. Considering the fact that I e-mailed all of my users two months ago about this problem, this called for an immediate and severe penalty: replacement of her computer with The Spare while I cleaned it up.
I have since advised all of my users that if they have any Sony music CDs purchased within the last year, they should take them back where they bought them and demand a refund because of the illegal malware they contain. I don't really expect any action on that request though; rather I expect another few calls like the one last week.
The worst part is that this is my day job, so I can't even bill extra time for it.
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From the article: "I don't see the federal government suing a big company like Sony," she said. "The fact that military networks have likely been affected by this won't change that."
I think this is a larger problem - that Sony can do what is clearly an unauthorised incursion into the core of someone's computer without being sued.
2.1 million cds have been sold. So something of the order of magnitude of 2.1 million computers have been infected by this rogue code. Many viruses don't achieve this level of penetration!!!! I doubt the combined force of slashdot readers has achieved this level of penetration either! hehe
If an individual had perpetrated this, whether or not he had the best intentions he would be arrested immediately. But Sony because it has such a strong brand, has only been sued in a few US states by a few Attourney Generals. Despite this being without any doubt prosecutable at the highest level.
I hate to whinge on about this but why on earth are coporations less obliged to follow the law of the land than individuals!! Its a joke.
SURELY NOT!!!!!
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As opposed to reading /. ?
As opposed to reading /. ?
At least then they are learning something...maybe not much, but something! I wouldn't mind some of our gov't employees reading our comments - maybe it will give them a clue about policy & legislation.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
"Even more interesting is that there may be at least half a million infected computers... I say 'may be at least' because the data doesn't smell right to me. Look at the list of infected titles, and estimate what percentage of CD buyers will play them on their computers; does that seem like half a million sales to you? It doesn't to me, although I readily admit that I don't know the music business."
As Schneir notes, these are not big selling CDs. Here is the list from the EFF link above:While Dan Kaminsky's methodology seems basically sound, if the results don't add up it suggests that there is something else going on. Maybe somehow each computer queried more than one DNS server, or some similar effect occured to artifically inflate the number of computers he is counting.
How does this person know that his data wasn't corrupted by other efforts that might have also been doing this same scan simultaneously to his?
Only on slashdot can a posting be rated "Score -1, Insightful".
I find it ludicrous that these supposedly recalled CDs are still on store shelves available for purchase. I bought my daughter a CD of teeny-bopper music the other day and she put it in her computer ... ACK!
... but I thought these CDs were supposed to be recalled and no longer sold?
On the plus side, on the front of the application it silently installed was a notice of how to download the uninstaller
"Flame away, I wear asbestos underwear"
How about:
General (O-10) Punishment: being beaten all over.
Major (O-4) Punishment: being beaten severely.
Major General (O-8) Punishment: being beaten all over, severely.
And eating Taco Bell inflicts (O-6): El Punishmento Colon
I'll stop now.
So long as Sony is the one paying for them. I'll happily represent myself, in a local court (in my case, Canada), and if Sony wants to pay the costs of sending lawyers back and forth from here and a couple-thousand other users who care to sue them... well all the better. Heck, I'll even settle for $25 after we've run it through court a bit.
At this point, I don't care so much that lawyers are making money, so long as they're costing Sony lots of money for this idiocy.
... for at least a year. That's what I'm doing, even though I didn't buy any affected CDs. Yes, they did make token attempts to make things better for some victims, but they NEED to suffer a while for such a stupid decision. Any company that thinks it's OK to install malware on their paying customers' computers does not deserve my business, and it does not deserve yours.
Yes, I know that SONY is a huge company with lots of independent decisions. But it's all one corporation, and it needs to feel pain for this stupidity. Its size just gives us more opportunities to boycott it. No Sony tapes, no Sony TVs, no Sony cameras, no SONY nothing until this year is over.
The boycott needs to be for a limited time; that's why I said a year. If we never start buying from them again, then they lost us no matter what. If the boycott is for a finite time, then they know they can sell to us again ---- as long as they don't repeat this silliness. If they do, they should expect more pain.
I got the new Leo Kottke / Mike Gordon CD (it's really good, btw) and it has this alleged "copy protection" on it. I never knew about it was on this CD until I read about later. I have autoplay turned off, and I use CDEX to make mp3s (for my iRiver H120). Everything worked just peachy. Rootkit, schmootkit, I can't believe I'm that unusual, especially in the /. crowd. This only affected people who aren't afraid to agree to license agreements.
Now I understand how Joe computer user could get infected, and hey, it's Sony, I can trust them right?
Even though I was able to avoid the copy protection without even knowing about it, I'm still gonna trade it in for a non DRM version, if they are offered.
No one using all caps will be taken seriously.
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I think that what is needed, is an Explorer plugin, to be made freely and widely available, which circumvents this "cloaking" technology (using Mark Russinovich's term).
If all of this "cloaking" crap were to be made irrelevant, then these kinds of things would no longer be a security issue - it would return administrative control over machines to the machine's owner. Whether that's Symantec's cloaking for their recycle bin, or whether it's Sony's rootkit, or anything else.
Computer owners don't need a corporate nanny protecting them from shooting themselves in the foot. Good software design does that. Not sneak tactics.
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I never understood this. Does US law really permit a blanket restriction on where someone may sue you, and on what damages a court may award if you win?
What does a judge do if you bring a legitimate grievance against someone to court elsewhere? Will a court really allow the condition to be enforced and invalidate a case with legal merit? Will a judge really say "Ah, well, I know they've lost the case, but I can't award damages of more than two cents because the losing party said so?
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
So something of the order of magnitude of 2.1 million computers have been infected by this rogue code.
:-)
I hate to play devil's advocate, but 2.1 million CD's doesn't equate to 2.1 million CD's used in (and thus infecting) computers. Many CD's may just be used in personal CD players etc.
Doesn't make it any more right, but no sense in pulling a Sony and skewing the stats as well
I steal all my music from the internet
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...if you clicked 'Don't Agree' to it and the rootkit installs itself anyway.
That's Tron, he fights for the users.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
sony sucks!
The answer is clear. The U.S. must invade Japan to overthrow the government responsible for this cyber terrorism.
Nope, won't work. We tried it once before and they savaged our consumer electronics and auto industry in retaliation. We try that again, and they might go after something critical: our porn industry. Ask yourself this, is a DMR rootkit worth the risk of having used women's underwear vending machines on every street corner? Let's let this one slide....
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People shouldn't quote Weird Al when they need Geek Music (in this case, gangsta rap), they should cite MC Plus+: "Computer Science for Life"
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I'm not an attorney, so I can't say for sure, but what this tells me as an everyman, is that I now have legal precendent to get away with something like this.
Everyone is talking about "How 16 year olds get hunted down" (and that's the truth) but now, those 16 year olds have an actual legal defense. Pay a fine, and you're done. SONY did it. Why not me? Because I'm a person, and they're a company? You'll have a hard time defeating that argument with a jury of rational people, now that SONY is getting away with it.
They've established a large-scale distribution model of a rootkit. The next person to do the EXACT same thing, on their own, now has legal backup they didn't have before.
I honestly don't know how I feel about that, but I think it's intriguing enough to merit discussion.
Any attorneys out there to comment?
the problem will continue. it seems the only government agency that piped up about the threat, DHS, should be the lead agency to recover all copies under Sony's dollar.
wait, this fits too many doomsday scenarios.
is this all A Plot?
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Why should Sony be held accountable? As long their EULA says they are not, they are not. Just like when Melissa hit seven years ago, and Microsoft got in no trouble at all for letting businesses the world over get torpedoed. Bull!@#t.
they sell you infected cds, sell you blank media, and want your a$$ sued for putting mp3s on that blank media. talk about taking it at both ends.
Given that corporations get to enjoy many "rights" as if they are a person, perhaps they need to be punished in the same way as well. If you or I "rooted" that many computers, let alone military computers, we'd be headed to federal prison.
;)
If some Sony executives were sent off to prison, I don't think we'd see many instances of this sort of copy protection again.
My PC got zapped last month when my daughter (who semi-ironically works for Sam Goody Records, who is going into bankrupcy, where she got the damned thing) dropped by when I wasn't home and played a CD in the closest thing to a stereo in my living room - the PC.
Luckily I had just bought a new hard drive and put all the data on it, so it would be a snap to FDISK and reformat C: (the old hard drive).
Unluckily I had sworn long ago not to give any more money to Microsoft. Just as unluckily, Linux hates my video card (or vice versa) so I was running 98.
Even more unluckily, I couldn't find the CDs with the drivers for my video card or sound card. Still more unluckily nobody supports 98 any more, and the only available drivers were for XP. Damn it, my 1988 Chevy works fine and I can get it serviced anywhere, why is my 1998 OS fuggered up and nobody will support it? You people all suck, you know that? GOD DAMN IT you should support DOS 1.1 until they won't fix a 1983 car any more!
Anyway, I wound up buying XP Home and an Audigy. A hundred seventy dollars and a lot of hours installing XP and all my other apps. XP hated the drivers (?) for my CD burning software and every time I boot I get an annoying message that it's disabled them, even though I uninstalled the damned software.
God damn it, Sony owes me a hundred seventy dollars and a bunch of hours of my time.
And their (damn their evil souls to hell) board of directors and President need to be put behind bars. If I'd done to them what they did to me and a million other poor saps, I'd be arrested!
I'm STILL getting my PC back to some semblance of "normal."
-mcgrew
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(knapsack? WTF kind of mind reading is that?)
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This is starting to get weird. I havn't heard of any criminal investigation at all. But this is a completely obvious, open and shut case, with millions of dollars in damage. I think we have to start looking at which government and law enforcement agencies are complicit in this, and what their motives are for complicity.
Bork!
So just for the record, the command line in *nix that would check for xcpimages.sonybmg.com in named running on localhost could be this, correct?
host -r xcpimages.sonybmg.com localhost
If it can answer with the IP then it's cached and if it cannot then it is not cached; is that right?
Cheers.
1. Buy CD with Sony rootkit on it for $16.99
2. accidentally infect your PC with it
3. ?!??!?!?
4. Take Sony to Small Claims Court
5. Profit!
I ripped and encoded (into Ogg Vorbis, of course) a Sony-distributed CD that had the rootkit on it (My Morning Jacket's Z) on my Ubuntu box without a hitch. It's currently living on both my HD and my MP3 player. Zero problems--just popped the CD in, told it to rip and where, and it's done. Easy. No rootkit issues, no security issues, just music I enjoy however the hell I want to enjoy it, thank you very much. Twelve bucks well-spent.
Where is the "Sony caused 396 056 4564.1416 gazillions dollars in damages" headline?
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Exactly the point I want to make.
Why would a Japanese company be interested in launching a stealth attack on US infrastructure... a "digital Pearl Harbor" so to speak? ;-)
> corporal punishment
Like, having your house blow up?
My God, I hope the Air Force has better control over its technologies. Some of them are dangerous.
At least Pennsylvania has laws allowing private criminal complaints. Other states may have the same. I couldn't file, since I have never installed this crap on any of my computers, and the PA State Supreme Court decreed that you have to be a victim or relative of a victim to do so. The attempt might draw the right sort of publicity, though I wonder if the DA would let it get very far: "Under PA Rules of Criminal Procedure, your complaint may require approval by the district attorney before it can be accepted by the magisterial district court. If the district attorney disapproves your complaint, you may petition the court of common pleas for review of the district attorney's decision."
...bad people have no song. ;)
Bad people have no song? No song at all?
Ahem.. The Emperor's Theme, The Imperial March etc?
Yes, I'm rebel scum.
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So what you're saying is, that district attourneys refuse to prosecute Sony?