If you don't like dynamic languages, fine, but implying that folks who choose to embrace FP and dynamic languages are "hobbyists" serves no purpose other than to expose your lack of depth as a developer.
Let's be friends! Nay, will you be my pair programming partner? Imagine the insights and perspectives we could share! Imagine the paradigms we could shift, the behavior-driven mocking we could exchange while rebasing our git trees and eating Mongos. Yes, Mongos!
Spring Roo is a shell that does code generation and scaffolding for Java web applications. You're basically 5 minutes from a basic CRUD app with a couple of entities (the typical Rails hello-world-I-made-a-blog stuff). It puts together a really nice stack based on Spring MVC, Maven, JPA and your choice of ORM and view technology. It makes heavy use of AspectJ to keep its boilerplate out of your actual code, so if you decide to stop using Roo in the future, you can - there's no hard dependency on it, it just generates code.. If you decide to do something fancy like use GWT for your UI, Roo can help with that as well.
Spring is a *huge* set of frameworks based around an excellent IoC container. Roo makes getting started simple, and lets you see how everything is supposed to fit together, which is usually the hardest part in the Java world. Just keep in mind that Spring is not web-focused - it has modules for web stuff, MVC, templating, etc., but also a ton of other stuff you probably don't need.
Recommend you grab the Spring Tool Suite from http://www.springsource.org/springsource-tool-suite-download (no need to reg, just agree to terms). It's just Eclipse done up nicely with all the extensions you'll need, Roo, and Maven all ready to go. Don't waste time trying to set up vanilla Eclipse.
One more thing: Ignore all the Java hate. All the PHP/Ruby/Python hobbyists are missing out on the joys of proper typing and top-notch tooling. Duck typing doesn't just *sound* dumb.
Remember 1996? People pirated Photoshop and Kai's Power Tools, then everyone else mocked their photos for containing Lens Flare or Solarize. Or Watercolor.
Why is it that in 2012, people are trying to appear 'artistic' by passing their memories through the same filters everyone else uses? Where's the mockery?
Her house brooded behind partially trimmed hedges, an island of shadow under willow trees. Ryan Davenport, 18, shuddered as the sun passed behind a cloud. Sophia was in there. His Adams' apple bobbed as he swallowed, unease shadowing his handsome face.
His mind was made up. It was time to meet the parents.
The drone of unseen hedge trimmers somewhere nearby dulled his roiling mind. "Keep it together, R-dawg. Keep it together." Breathing slowly wasn't working. His pounding heart moved oxygen-deprived blood through even the most engorged of organs. Images of Sophia's svelte form flickered in his minds' eye, and he gasped for breath. Soon.
One step, then another. Through the hedge gate, into the shadow of the trees. He seemed to float towards the door. He was going to do it. As Ryan reached for the bell, a deeper shadow fell. The hedge trimmer had fallen silent.
He tried to turn, but it was too late.
At the scream of suddenly-right-behind-him electric trimmer, Ryan froze. His vision blurred and his head was whipped back and forth in a motion that reminded him of the paint-can shaker at the hardware store. There was a curious ripping sound. Tatters of bloody ear whacked warm, sticky tracers across his face, again and again.
"I told you never to come back here, you horny bastard." said the shadow, raising the now-dripping trimmer. Ryan staggered away. Sophie's naked form receded from his mind. He couldn't speak. The world outside the hedge gleamed in late afternoon sunlight, beckoning, beckoning. Unattainable.
Silence. Occasionally a small flash off in the distance as a projectile smashes into its target. No need for explosives, just high relative velocity and a high mass projectile. Actually, this is probably what a planetary defense network would look like - thousands of massive projectiles in different orbits, with some means of nudging each one to meet an incoming ship approaching from any direction.
No space fleet would ever fly in close formation. You'd probably have 100km spacing between vessels. Evasive action would be a matter of nudging your heading by a tenth of a degree, thus missing pursuers by hundreds of kilometres. Whoever can detect threats first wins, period - and evasion, not confrontation, probably makes the most sense.
Actually, fleets probably don't make sense - easier to see a cluster of ships travelling together than to see ten ships all on wildly different orbits, all arriving at a specific attack point within minutes of each other. Worse, once you deploy your ships you probably won't have enough fuel to react effectively to a change in the tactical situation. Your plan is locked in at launch. God help you if your enemy's intelligence gathering is good.
Human crew would be nearly useless, unless there were resources to be captured from the enemy which required EVA. Shock troops only, no return trip.
All the pew-pew-pew zoomy shit we see in movies with Cylons banking like fighter jets is just not workable. And honestly, the more I think about it, the less defensible a planet seems to be without massive improvement in detection tech and energy weapons. Even fleet warfare is unlikely; two fleets could easily miss each other and pass in the night.
I think the only space warfare we're likely to ever see is between two enemies sharing a planet. Whoever gets the upper hand in orbit wins.
I buy games. After awhile they get boring, so I sell them. They have more value to someone else at that point than they do to me.
I don't care if I'm selling media and CD-key or an online DRM'ed license; I should always be able to sell my license to someone else, without interference from the game publisher. I bought the right to play the game; why shouldn't I be able to sell it when I no longer want it? It's not like the publisher suddenly has the burden of supporting a user that they didn't before.
If the publisher can't compete with used copies, their product is overpriced.
That would be similar to the USA collapsing, and Alaska continuing to call itself "the USA" even though the rest of the nation either became smaller independent nations or were annexed by Mexico or Canada.
I would love to see Canada doing some polite annexing. We'll take the west coast, thanks. Your teenagers will hail us as liberators because of our lower drinking age, and when the sled dogs get tired we'll open mystery-meat stands by the highway.
Hi, not GP but, I'm an engineer. I bring in revenue.
We outsource IT to a consulting company. If they suck they are gone. IT staff do not bing in revenue. They are a commodity service. They can be replaced at whimsy.
Stop thinking you are anything but another commodity 50k drone.
I hire people in your line of work, Mr. Anonymous Coward. Assuming you actually are a real P. Eng.
The point is, if a company needs IT to enable their "revenue generating" staff, then like it or not the IT folks are responsible for some of that revenue generation. All the ego and chest thumping in the world won't change that.
Sure, they do it by 'serving' your needs, but that doesn't make them your servants - handling your direct requests is only part of their job. Additionally, a lot of the time users don't know what they need - it's IT's business to know and give it to them before they ask.
Having worked at companies with excellent IT groups, I can tell you that outsourced IT is something I hope I never have to deal with again.
My real gripe with IT folks is that they forget that they do not bring in revenue. They are meant to serve those who do. As is the rest of the support staff - hence the name. No one contacts the company I work because our deft IT management. Of course it is necessary but it is "the wiring under the board".
You sound like a typical arrogant, self-important salesperson. I'm guessing your attitude is compensation for all the brown-nosing and pandering you do on the phone - it's hard to respect yourself without being better than *someone*, isn't it?
Guess what? You aren't a member of a higher caste. You can't bring in revenue without decent IT folk. You need them. They know all about stuff you'll never need to think about, because that's how good they are.
And when their policies seem irrational, you're probably missing something really important. Question your knowledge and yourself before you question them. If you aren't getting the result you want from IT, it's usually more to do with your attitude and approach than it is with the people.
I note that many of the people loudly complaining about Facebook in this matter have Gmail addresses. What do you think Google does with all those contacts they scrape from your messages and that you enter into your Android phone? Especially when correlated with what OTHER people put into their Google Contacts?
Whether you actively participate in the "graph" (FB, Goog, any entry point) or not, you have a node representing you. Even if your node has some wrong information, most of it is probably accurate. Heck, I could write some dumb scripts, spawn a bunch of EC2 instances and scrape a social graph from all the public info that's out there. So could anyone else.
Short of changing your name and starting over while studiously avoiding big centralized services, there is nothing you can do about this.
I'm not from the US (Americans are barely aware of Marmite), I don't eat at McDonalds, and I still don't like eating yeast entrails. It's foul, unpalatable slime, and I try to keep my consumption of known exitotoxins down.
I'm sure there are some real advantages to using a desktop environment that I'm just not getting, so please educate me.
No problem. The advantages:
- Applications written for a DE are better integrated with each other.
- Apps written for a DE tend to use the same toolkits and work in predictable ways.
- Desktop environments tend to have collections of blessed applications. Less hunting.
- Desktop environments tend to have communities filled with like-minded people.
- DEs are installed by major Linux distros, providing a standard interface.
- Commercial support is available for some DEs.
It all comes down to convenience. Sure, I used to fuck around with Enlightenment and Blackbox and fvwm. Then one day I realized that powerful computers were cheap, and my time ought to be expensive. So I installed GNOME and never looked back.
No disrespect - you can choose whatever you want to use, or whatever your hardware can support. But you're outnumbered by people like me.
Today - do I have fingerprint by default? Hell no, but it is "integrated with the rest of the user experience". Quite disappointing.
Fedora 15 has fingerprint authentication by default, and I've had it for years with a bit of work (fingerprint readers weren't so common 6 years ago). This kind of integration is usually a distro-specific thing.
I upgraded to Fedora 15 (from 13) and was so horrified by Gnome 3 that I immediately installed Debian so I could use Gnome 2. Even the "classic Gnome" option is still unusable.
You do realize that GNOME 3 Classic Mode only has a few user facing differences from GNOME 2, right?
1. You have to hold ALT when right clicking the panels in order to customize them. No more by-mistake applet moves. 2. Panels now allow you to snap widgets to the center. New feature! 3. There are fewer available panel applets, because the API changed. No more CORBA. 4. The unified System Settings dialog replaces the System menu. I miss the old Preferences but can live with this.
I have a GNOME 3 desktop that is practically identical to my old GNOME 2 desktop. Having changed the GTK theme from the black Adwaita theme, it even looks like GNOME 2.
Fallback mode pretty much *is* GNOME 2. I really don't get what all the bitching is about. Surely a few missing panel applets and a unified settings dialog aren't reasons to discard a desktop environment.
$99.00 + tax here in Vancouver area. There was a line-up at the Best Buy when the doors opened. Everyone was saying "I don't really have a use for this, but it's too good and too cheap to pass up."
Not a bad price for a decent quality web browser for my coffee table. Looks nice enough, works great. I don't care about the lack of an app ecosystem - this is hackable, slick hardware. I'll find something to do with it.
You know, there are going to be hundreds of thousands of these things in people's hands in the next week or two, people who have never had a tablet before. HP just created a market for WebOS apps. By mistake? Hmm.
Aragorn has been corrupted by marrying a powerful agent of Rivendell. The affairs of men must remain such! The White Council must be kept in its place, performing magic tricks at Birthday Parties.
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If you don't like dynamic languages, fine, but implying that folks who choose to embrace FP and dynamic languages are "hobbyists" serves no purpose other than to expose your lack of depth as a developer.
Read this and take a long hard look at yourself.
I inject a little (apparently very well targeted) teasing into a thread full of uninformed anti-Java ragefacing, and you're judging *me*?
My implication served my purpose just fine (hi there!), and may or may not reflect my actual feelings on dynamic languages.
It's that some of us have put up with statically typed languages for 15 years, and have had enough of that crap.
I've had enough of this crap.
Let's be friends! Nay, will you be my pair programming partner? Imagine the insights and perspectives we could share! Imagine the paradigms we could shift, the behavior-driven mocking we could exchange while rebasing our git trees and eating Mongos. Yes, Mongos!
WILL YOU ACCEPT MY PULL REQUEST?
So hot.
Specifically, look into the Spring Framework and Spring Roo.
Here's where you start: http://www.springsource.org/get-started
Spring Roo is a shell that does code generation and scaffolding for Java web applications. You're basically 5 minutes from a basic CRUD app with a couple of entities (the typical Rails hello-world-I-made-a-blog stuff). It puts together a really nice stack based on Spring MVC, Maven, JPA and your choice of ORM and view technology. It makes heavy use of AspectJ to keep its boilerplate out of your actual code, so if you decide to stop using Roo in the future, you can - there's no hard dependency on it, it just generates code.. If you decide to do something fancy like use GWT for your UI, Roo can help with that as well.
Quick Roo demo: http://youtu.be/K78vL72XDqw
Spring is a *huge* set of frameworks based around an excellent IoC container. Roo makes getting started simple, and lets you see how everything is supposed to fit together, which is usually the hardest part in the Java world. Just keep in mind that Spring is not web-focused - it has modules for web stuff, MVC, templating, etc., but also a ton of other stuff you probably don't need.
Recommend you grab the Spring Tool Suite from http://www.springsource.org/springsource-tool-suite-download (no need to reg, just agree to terms). It's just Eclipse done up nicely with all the extensions you'll need, Roo, and Maven all ready to go. Don't waste time trying to set up vanilla Eclipse.
One more thing: Ignore all the Java hate. All the PHP/Ruby/Python hobbyists are missing out on the joys of proper typing and top-notch tooling. Duck typing doesn't just *sound* dumb.
Good luck.
Okay, so windtraps exist. Now to genetically-engineer me a giant worm.
Remember 1996? People pirated Photoshop and Kai's Power Tools, then everyone else mocked their photos for containing Lens Flare or Solarize. Or Watercolor.
Why is it that in 2012, people are trying to appear 'artistic' by passing their memories through the same filters everyone else uses? Where's the mockery?
Tangent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71WXhOyWj8
I think most people would agree that not being anally raped by corporations and politicians is a cause worthy of getting behind.
I see what you did there.
Her house brooded behind partially trimmed hedges, an island of shadow under willow trees. Ryan Davenport, 18, shuddered as the sun passed behind a cloud. Sophia was in there. His Adams' apple bobbed as he swallowed, unease shadowing his handsome face.
His mind was made up. It was time to meet the parents.
The drone of unseen hedge trimmers somewhere nearby dulled his roiling mind. "Keep it together, R-dawg. Keep it together." Breathing slowly wasn't working. His pounding heart moved oxygen-deprived blood through even the most engorged of organs. Images of Sophia's svelte form flickered in his minds' eye, and he gasped for breath. Soon.
One step, then another. Through the hedge gate, into the shadow of the trees. He seemed to float towards the door. He was going to do it. As Ryan reached for the bell, a deeper shadow fell. The hedge trimmer had fallen silent.
He tried to turn, but it was too late.
At the scream of suddenly-right-behind-him electric trimmer, Ryan froze. His vision blurred and his head was whipped back and forth in a motion that reminded him of the paint-can shaker at the hardware store. There was a curious ripping sound. Tatters of bloody ear whacked warm, sticky tracers across his face, again and again.
"I told you never to come back here, you horny bastard." said the shadow, raising the now-dripping trimmer. Ryan staggered away. Sophie's naked form receded from his mind. He couldn't speak. The world outside the hedge gleamed in late afternoon sunlight, beckoning, beckoning. Unattainable.
A blow fell, and Ryan fell with it.
I hate Anonymous Cowards. Also, the fucking mods are mean to me.
Tee hee.
So to wipe out the aliens and take posession of their infrastructure, all we have to do is... arrive nearby?
Silence. Occasionally a small flash off in the distance as a projectile smashes into its target. No need for explosives, just high relative velocity and a high mass projectile. Actually, this is probably what a planetary defense network would look like - thousands of massive projectiles in different orbits, with some means of nudging each one to meet an incoming ship approaching from any direction.
No space fleet would ever fly in close formation. You'd probably have 100km spacing between vessels. Evasive action would be a matter of nudging your heading by a tenth of a degree, thus missing pursuers by hundreds of kilometres. Whoever can detect threats first wins, period - and evasion, not confrontation, probably makes the most sense.
Actually, fleets probably don't make sense - easier to see a cluster of ships travelling together than to see ten ships all on wildly different orbits, all arriving at a specific attack point within minutes of each other. Worse, once you deploy your ships you probably won't have enough fuel to react effectively to a change in the tactical situation. Your plan is locked in at launch. God help you if your enemy's intelligence gathering is good.
Human crew would be nearly useless, unless there were resources to be captured from the enemy which required EVA. Shock troops only, no return trip.
All the pew-pew-pew zoomy shit we see in movies with Cylons banking like fighter jets is just not workable. And honestly, the more I think about it, the less defensible a planet seems to be without massive improvement in detection tech and energy weapons. Even fleet warfare is unlikely; two fleets could easily miss each other and pass in the night.
I think the only space warfare we're likely to ever see is between two enemies sharing a planet. Whoever gets the upper hand in orbit wins.
At least have a glance at some of the motion prototypes the GNOME designers have put together. Slick.
I buy games. After awhile they get boring, so I sell them. They have more value to someone else at that point than they do to me.
I don't care if I'm selling media and CD-key or an online DRM'ed license; I should always be able to sell my license to someone else, without interference from the game publisher. I bought the right to play the game; why shouldn't I be able to sell it when I no longer want it? It's not like the publisher suddenly has the burden of supporting a user that they didn't before.
If the publisher can't compete with used copies, their product is overpriced.
That would be similar to the USA collapsing, and Alaska continuing to call itself "the USA" even though the rest of the nation either became smaller independent nations or were annexed by Mexico or Canada.
I would love to see Canada doing some polite annexing. We'll take the west coast, thanks. Your teenagers will hail us as liberators because of our lower drinking age, and when the sled dogs get tired we'll open mystery-meat stands by the highway.
At least I don't have service or help in my job name I think that says a lot about me as a person really.
The fact that you think "service" is a pejorative says even more about you.
If you define yourself and judge others by job titles, you're Doing It Wrong. Time to grow up.
Hi, not GP but, I'm an engineer. I bring in revenue.
We outsource IT to a consulting company. If they suck they are gone. IT staff do not bing in revenue. They are a commodity service. They can be replaced at whimsy.
Stop thinking you are anything but another commodity 50k drone.
I hire people in your line of work, Mr. Anonymous Coward. Assuming you actually are a real P. Eng.
The point is, if a company needs IT to enable their "revenue generating" staff, then like it or not the IT folks are responsible for some of that revenue generation. All the ego and chest thumping in the world won't change that.
Sure, they do it by 'serving' your needs, but that doesn't make them your servants - handling your direct requests is only part of their job. Additionally, a lot of the time users don't know what they need - it's IT's business to know and give it to them before they ask.
Having worked at companies with excellent IT groups, I can tell you that outsourced IT is something I hope I never have to deal with again.
My real gripe with IT folks is that they forget that they do not bring in revenue. They are meant to serve those who do. As is the rest of the support staff - hence the name. No one contacts the company I work because our deft IT management. Of course it is necessary but it is "the wiring under the board".
You sound like a typical arrogant, self-important salesperson. I'm guessing your attitude is compensation for all the brown-nosing and pandering you do on the phone - it's hard to respect yourself without being better than *someone*, isn't it?
Guess what? You aren't a member of a higher caste. You can't bring in revenue without decent IT folk. You need them. They know all about stuff you'll never need to think about, because that's how good they are.
And when their policies seem irrational, you're probably missing something really important. Question your knowledge and yourself before you question them. If you aren't getting the result you want from IT, it's usually more to do with your attitude and approach than it is with the people.
Stop puffing yourself up.
I note that many of the people loudly complaining about Facebook in this matter have Gmail addresses. What do you think Google does with all those contacts they scrape from your messages and that you enter into your Android phone? Especially when correlated with what OTHER people put into their Google Contacts?
Whether you actively participate in the "graph" (FB, Goog, any entry point) or not, you have a node representing you. Even if your node has some wrong information, most of it is probably accurate. Heck, I could write some dumb scripts, spawn a bunch of EC2 instances and scrape a social graph from all the public info that's out there. So could anyone else.
Short of changing your name and starting over while studiously avoiding big centralized services, there is nothing you can do about this.
I'm not from the US (Americans are barely aware of Marmite), I don't eat at McDonalds, and I still don't like eating yeast entrails. It's foul, unpalatable slime, and I try to keep my consumption of known exitotoxins down.
Sorry to smash your stereotypes. Try again!
Why do people help these people spread their vile?
"Vile" isn't a thing one can metaphorically spread.
Unless you're talking Vegemite or Marmite - that shit is spreadable vile incarnate.
...so that we can ignore you, trolls.
Everyone, please note that a slashdotter with a 4 digit UID likes GNOME 3.
Hey bashers, take note! :-)
I'm sure there are some real advantages to using a desktop environment that I'm just not getting, so please educate me.
No problem. The advantages:
- Applications written for a DE are better integrated with each other.
- Apps written for a DE tend to use the same toolkits and work in predictable ways.
- Desktop environments tend to have collections of blessed applications. Less hunting.
- Desktop environments tend to have communities filled with like-minded people.
- DEs are installed by major Linux distros, providing a standard interface.
- Commercial support is available for some DEs.
It all comes down to convenience. Sure, I used to fuck around with Enlightenment and Blackbox and fvwm. Then one day I realized that powerful computers were cheap, and my time ought to be expensive. So I installed GNOME and never looked back.
No disrespect - you can choose whatever you want to use, or whatever your hardware can support. But you're outnumbered by people like me.
I do miss Blackbox though.
Today - do I have fingerprint by default? Hell no, but it is "integrated with the rest of the user experience". Quite disappointing.
Fedora 15 has fingerprint authentication by default, and I've had it for years with a bit of work (fingerprint readers weren't so common 6 years ago). This kind of integration is usually a distro-specific thing.
I upgraded to Fedora 15 (from 13) and was so horrified by Gnome 3 that I immediately installed Debian so I could use Gnome 2. Even the "classic Gnome" option is still unusable.
You do realize that GNOME 3 Classic Mode only has a few user facing differences from GNOME 2, right?
1. You have to hold ALT when right clicking the panels in order to customize them. No more by-mistake applet moves.
2. Panels now allow you to snap widgets to the center. New feature!
3. There are fewer available panel applets, because the API changed. No more CORBA.
4. The unified System Settings dialog replaces the System menu. I miss the old Preferences but can live with this.
I have a GNOME 3 desktop that is practically identical to my old GNOME 2 desktop. Having changed the GTK theme from the black Adwaita theme, it even looks like GNOME 2.
Fallback mode pretty much *is* GNOME 2. I really don't get what all the bitching is about. Surely a few missing panel applets and a unified settings dialog aren't reasons to discard a desktop environment.
$99.00 + tax here in Vancouver area. There was a line-up at the Best Buy when the doors opened. Everyone was saying "I don't really have a use for this, but it's too good and too cheap to pass up."
Not a bad price for a decent quality web browser for my coffee table. Looks nice enough, works great. I don't care about the lack of an app ecosystem - this is hackable, slick hardware. I'll find something to do with it.
You know, there are going to be hundreds of thousands of these things in people's hands in the next week or two, people who have never had a tablet before. HP just created a market for WebOS apps. By mistake? Hmm.
Aragorn has been corrupted by marrying a powerful agent of Rivendell. The affairs of men must remain such! The White Council must be kept in its place, performing magic tricks at Birthday Parties.