But you have to give her credit for seeing that the RIAA was/is on a bad course.
No I don't. You have to be blind not to see that the RIAA is on a bad course, and she knew it all along. Now she's having an epiphany? I don't think so. It doesn't take any guts to say what she says, now that she got her money. If what she says now is to have any meaning, then she should repay all the money lost by the people that she trashed. What she is saying is the same as a politician taking "responsibilty" for their mistakes after they get caught in some despicable act or their negligence. Empty words knowing full well that they will suffer no consequences. Color me unimpressed.
Yes well, you might need to boycott GE, Procter and Gamble, Coca Cola, Citibank, Mastercard, American Express(who owns them?), Sony, International Bakeries, United(and many other) Airlines, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Samsung, Intel, your ISP, phone company, cable company, Jewel food stores, Safeway, and even OSTG if their stock portfolios extends that far. And you're going to need to quit buying gasoline and electricity. Turn off that leaky faucet. And you would probably have to quit paying taxes, as I'm sure that BofA gets some federal money somehow. At the very least, you're paying for many of their tax write-offs, which would become even more numerous if everybody quit doing business with them.
Something more like a segragated economy, where the main trick is to move work to one place, while keeping prices artificially high in another through legislation, then reaping the profits on the market discrepancy and allowing a rapid transfer of funds from the middle class.
So, now you know why we really need national borders. It's our last remaining stand to maintain economic stratification, nice and legal like. You don't have to put up with any of this talk of discrimination, racism, cultural purity. The current euphemism for all this hate mongering is called "national sovereignty". Make no mistake. It's exactly the same as seperate facilities for "coloreds" and "whites". If we had a real global economy, I would be able to travel uninhibited anywhere on the globe, just like corporate funds and diplomats...and contraband. So, tear down the fences, put us on a common currency, weights, and measures, and then we'll be able to sort out the pay issues more effectively. And if your job goes to India, you will be free to go with it with no loss.
You are making the assumption that speech = action. That is a mistaken belief. Speech is nothing but speech. It's the person who acts that is responsible. This is absolute. The ONLY way to deny it, is to deny that we have a free will to act or not. "The dvil made me do it" does not hold water in any way, shape, or fashion. All action is provoked only by the person who commits the actions. He can say he was inspired by a speech, but he alone made the decision to act. Now some people simply can not take the risk of reprisal, but they must get their message out, and I'm with them all the way. I'm for unrestrained speech. Only then can true feelings come out. Yeah, it generates a lot of garbage, but it's easy to sort out. But you don't do it by muzzling the speaker. And taking away anonymity would do just that. You are obviously free the show more respect to indentifiable speakers, but I think you're just cheating yourself. It means to me that you would tend to disregard an important message simply because you don't know who said it. Or that you're not willing to weed out a little extra chaff to see what's there. I would agree with you more if you had said, 'With freedom to act comes responsibility...'. Freedom to speak must be absolute. That does not mean freedom to disrupt. But then, disruption is an action. So, maybe it would be better to say that freedom to write is an absolute. Since writing can't disrupt anything. Nobody should have face anything for what they say, but for what they do. That's the only thing that matters. Words will always bounce. Rocks don't. They hurt.
That's absolute nonsense. You're attaching more importance to the messenger, when you should be paying attention to the message. Even dirty, filthy nazis can say something profound, but too many people disregard what was said when they find out who said it. The messenger is not the message. You should take the message at face value. If it stands on its own (or even if it doesn't), then who gives a damn who the delivery boy is? In fact I believe some people leave their name off specifically for that purpose, because if he/she is generally disliked, the message will never be heard, or completely discredited. It has a better chance when stated anonymously.
Why doesn't hollywood focus on finding the sources of these centers and shutting them down.
Because the big timers only sell ??AA material. It's called maintaining mind share, and the street vendors are great at what they are doing in this respect. I'm sure they work under an unspoken contract with the industry. And, to repeat myself for the millionth time, the industry is not out to stop piracy per se. They are trying to stamp out independance... alternative creativity and distribution. That is the real threat. They simply want to remain the only game in town. This Glickman guy is so 19th century. He thinks he's running a railroad. He's the type that believes that we need a high level of poverty in order to get people to do the work. And besides, the ??AAs are the last ones on the planet that should talk about compensating the artists. They exist to protect their corporate members' interests. It's the Recording/movie Industry Association of America. The creators are nowhere to be seen in the acronym. They give their voice to the companies, not the writers. As they should because the group was formed by said companies. The creators "union" isn't nearly so powerful. And the consumers? Let them eat cake.
I believe it would be more correct to say that copyright(all IP, actually) laws are just like union leadership. The unions would adapt very quickly if not for those who cling to power. Union leaders became corrupt right at the get-go. So did IP law. Hmmm, just like everything else that acquires undue influence and power. Let's get this straight. IP law was never intended to protect the creator. It was created to protect the creation business. And each time new tech came out, the creation business tried to restrict its use, if not outlaw it completely. It has been that way since that damn printing press was invented. Boy, I bet that's one genie the cartels would like to stuff back into that bottle.
I think I derive more humor by letting people figure things out for themslves. Kinda like the girls flashing their titties at a protest march(can you tell I saw Boston Legal last night?). It has nothing to do with the issue, but it might draw more attention, in this case to the book. I just thought a semi-witty comment would be better than me showing my...uh...well, never mind.
The moderators switching from crack to LSD is what originally attracted me to your post.
Well, that's a good thing, as crack is a very unhealthy substance.
It seems that every time a format came out, people would say the exact same thing you did. That we have reached the limit. We won't do anything new for the foreseeable future. Well, that might be true only because we don't see very far into the future. Most don't look past the next quarter. Believe me, there's always the "next big thing" that will become popular...and the thing after that. Most of it is "selling refrigerators to the eskimos", but people will buy it. People will go back to lower resolution if the device offers up some new type of "new and improved" gizmo to go with it. Snake oil sales are way up.
As much as they'd love to force more DRM down your throat, they didn't discontinue DVDs 5+ years ago when the DRM was broken, nor will they when the DRM on HD-DVD/Blu-ray discs is cracked.
They had nothing to replace it with at the time. HD-DVD/Blu-ray is going to be its replacement. If they had it back then, then that's when it would have happened, and all DVDs would have been cleared from the shelves immediately.
Now I understand your point about boycotts. You're right. They don't work. Well, maybe they work a little for the Christian coalition. They managed to get various programs off the TV and radio in a few cities. And I supposed you could say they worked for the black folks that were boycotting the buses. Hmmm, I guess that just says more about our fragmentation than anything else. But also in our case, boycotting the movie industry for example, would be meaningless when you consider that they also own a big chunk of Procter and Gamble, or Walmart, or your phone company, or are involved in the petroleum industry. My point is, the market is affected by what we buy or don't buy. It is possible, though not very probable that we might be able to direct it consciously. We'll never know until we make a united effort. And you and I both know that the issue as applied here to the entertainment industry is just not very important. It really isn't to me. I don't buy DVDs or CDs anymore(well, never did buy DVDs. I think they look like crap and the players are about as reliable as a floppy drive). I just put on the TV or the radio and tune in something I like. If I want to see a movie that badly, I just rent the damn thing. And there's part of my issue with this. Who rents VHS anymore? Actually plenty of people still do, but it is getting a tiny bit more difficult. I sure don't care about maintaining a collection. Who wants to lug all that crap around every time you move?
I guess my point boils down to this. Why does a person so vehemently complain about something or someone and then continue to buy from or vote them? I find it very bizarre. My posts are mainly aimed at them. However, they never respond. Or they just cop out and scream about how they have no choice. Well, I say, they do. We all do.
They are totally unrelated. I just happened to like the quote. The link is simply a mini HOW-TO. One sig, two topics.
What I don't understand is how the original post got modded offtopic. When it comes to electronic devices, the law has a very detrimental effect on progress. That should be important to everybody involved. Apparently some people have trouble seeing that point. Megafunction(our new buzz-word for the day) devices are absolutely worthless if the government can prohibit ownership to certain classes of people. This is why I hope things like this can lead to super cheap and easy manufacture that can be accomplished anywhere, to preempt that possibility. Otherwise the thing is just another toy for sending smilies to your friends. That will be the only thing you'll be allowed to use it for. Any attempt to circumvent these retrictions will be met with the full weight of the law. I would think that people would see that in light of the DMCA.
megafunctions permitted by law. It is the law that slow down developement and dispensation of these kind of devices. For an example of how the law can kill off a perfectly viable device, look waht happened to the DAT machines. It is due to the law that we don't have widespread blu-ray already, and will make it virtually worthless anyway. These machines may be developing at a rate faster than Moore's law, but IP law and so-called "privacy" laws will noticably slow things down to "within spec". But if all this makes it easier to produce "unauthorized" hardware in our basements, and makes DRM unenforcable, then I say, Go, Go, Gadget, go!
That's pretty much what I'm saying. If the customers don't exhibit good morals, how can we expect the companies to have any morals at all? We, the consumers, are supporting bad behavior when we buy from these people. Their way of doing things will not change until ours does. It is that simple. This why I tend to believe that the anger against the politicians and corporations is misplaced, when it is we who hand over the power and money. We are the ones who painted ourselves into a corner by having kids we can't afford to care for and by falling for this credit card madness. Actually, you(editorial)...because I have neither kids or credit card debt. So, I would say you're in quite a pickle at this point. And I haven't bought anything from the Walmart a half a block down the street(or any other Walmart) for quite a while. I don't drive a car. Unless it's raining, or I'm in a big hurry, or feeling just plain lazy, I always walk. My propane for the stove is locally produced. And since I'm perfectly happy listening to the radio or my noisy neighbors, I haven't bought a single piece of RIAA crap in over seven years. I wait till the movie is on TV, unless invited to the theater. So the only way the "blue meanies" get my money is if they have some action in the distribution of alcoholic beverages...which I'm sure they do, but I'm only willing to give up so much:-) Actually that's not true either. A big company owns my internet connection. And even bigger company provides the lights. Goes to show there's no escape until I leave the planet for good. So, if I want to be truly non-evil, I'll have to move to Gilligan's Island.
In a way you just made my point. Ask three people the definition of "political prisoner", and you'll get three different answers. It is the outsiders' low regard for the law in China that gives the impression that most of their prisoners are political. And it's just as easy for me to consider all property crimes to be political, especially those of intellectual property, since IP law is the tool of censorship in countries that insist that they believe in free speech rights, with the US being the biggest hypocrite in that regard.
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On that note, I can do and say what I want, becase if they want to come and arrest me over bull, I wont just go quietly, I'll shoot back.
And you will die. It's all good if you can accept that. That Lady Smith (:-)) of yours might slow them down for about five seconds, max. The stock pile at the Branch Davidians didn't do them much good in the end, did it? If you want to win against the government, you'd better have bigger nukes that they have.
...but provided I have not actually violated copyright, nothing can be done.
You are so wrong. Your site can be knocked down while you're spending thousands of dollars proving that you did not violate copyright. And, incase you haven't noticed, the US has secret laws. We have no idea of who's locked up under these laws. And you can be thrown into prison if they find you guilty of "incitement" to do whatever they want to prohibit. When it comes to percentage of the population in prison or absolute numbers, the US doesn't really look any better than China. The American's reasons for locking up that many are no less political than China's.
Uh...The "new" format I'm talking about is of the storage medium itself. Not the video or audio output. This seems to be changing every few years. Each time with more capacity and more DRM. And when they stop making players for the old format, you will upgrade when your player becomes unrepairable. Planned obsolescence at its best, I say. And if I were truly evil, I would wish to be a big part of it. It's such easy money. It's the proverbial "taking candy from a baby". Easier than stealing an old woman's purse. I would call it robbery except for the fact that the transaction is consensual. It is a con, however and should be treated as such.
Throw away your DVD player, any digital audio records you might have, your digital cable/satellite box, etc.
What? Did I say "throw away"? No, I said, don't buy. But now that you bring it up, yeah, throw away your cable box and quit buying into it if it's DRM'd. Don't buy any more DVDs. And on that other part, not all digital audio is DRM'd, so, I wouldn't suggest that you toss that out.
Let's stop buying DRM...starting now. Not after the next Star Wars, not after Beverly Hills Cop XIV...NOW! This minute. Heh, the big trick is to convince your neighbors. They don't have a clue as to what's happening yet. And they might not care. They're more pissed about that $3 a gallon gasoline. Hard to copy video is hardly on their minds right now. Unfortunately, neither is looking for alternative fuels or transport. And quite unconsciously, they are the ones making the world we live in today. Expect bigger battles ahead.
I would like to see both of them lose. Don't buy this junk. And I do mean junk. This stuff will not be reliable. How long will it be before the next "new" format comes out? I saw talk of it somewhere. And even if not for the threat of progress, we shouldn't buy DRM'd hardware, no matter what. It's a shame that we are starting to see modern electronics as a "controlled substance".
How are they planning to enforce this on existing setups?
Nothing a little "power surge" or a magic bullet coming down the net can't take care of. And if that doesn't work, then good old father time will finish the job. Sooner or later, you WILL upgrade...by law if necessary. Then you will acquire the needed licenses to operate the equipment. Operating unlicensed equipment will be a class C felony with a mandatory five year sentence. Whoops! There goes your passport. Looks like your stuck in the good ol' USA. See what happens when you let (snake oil)salesmen run the country?
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Yes well, you might need to boycott GE, Procter and Gamble, Coca Cola, Citibank, Mastercard, American Express(who owns them?), Sony, International Bakeries, United(and many other) Airlines, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Samsung, Intel, your ISP, phone company, cable company, Jewel food stores, Safeway, and even OSTG if their stock portfolios extends that far. And you're going to need to quit buying gasoline and electricity. Turn off that leaky faucet. And you would probably have to quit paying taxes, as I'm sure that BofA gets some federal money somehow. At the very least, you're paying for many of their tax write-offs, which would become even more numerous if everybody quit doing business with them.
You are making the assumption that speech = action. That is a mistaken belief. Speech is nothing but speech. It's the person who acts that is responsible. This is absolute. The ONLY way to deny it, is to deny that we have a free will to act or not. "The dvil made me do it" does not hold water in any way, shape, or fashion. All action is provoked only by the person who commits the actions. He can say he was inspired by a speech, but he alone made the decision to act. Now some people simply can not take the risk of reprisal, but they must get their message out, and I'm with them all the way. I'm for unrestrained speech. Only then can true feelings come out. Yeah, it generates a lot of garbage, but it's easy to sort out. But you don't do it by muzzling the speaker. And taking away anonymity would do just that. You are obviously free the show more respect to indentifiable speakers, but I think you're just cheating yourself. It means to me that you would tend to disregard an important message simply because you don't know who said it. Or that you're not willing to weed out a little extra chaff to see what's there. I would agree with you more if you had said, 'With freedom to act comes responsibility...'. Freedom to speak must be absolute. That does not mean freedom to disrupt. But then, disruption is an action. So, maybe it would be better to say that freedom to write is an absolute. Since writing can't disrupt anything. Nobody should have face anything for what they say, but for what they do. That's the only thing that matters. Words will always bounce. Rocks don't. They hurt.
That's absolute nonsense. You're attaching more importance to the messenger, when you should be paying attention to the message. Even dirty, filthy nazis can say something profound, but too many people disregard what was said when they find out who said it. The messenger is not the message. You should take the message at face value. If it stands on its own (or even if it doesn't), then who gives a damn who the delivery boy is? In fact I believe some people leave their name off specifically for that purpose, because if he/she is generally disliked, the message will never be heard, or completely discredited. It has a better chance when stated anonymously.
Because the big timers only sell ??AA material. It's called maintaining mind share, and the street vendors are great at what they are doing in this respect. I'm sure they work under an unspoken contract with the industry. And, to repeat myself for the millionth time, the industry is not out to stop piracy per se. They are trying to stamp out independance... alternative creativity and distribution. That is the real threat. They simply want to remain the only game in town. This Glickman guy is so 19th century. He thinks he's running a railroad. He's the type that believes that we need a high level of poverty in order to get people to do the work. And besides, the ??AAs are the last ones on the planet that should talk about compensating the artists. They exist to protect their corporate members' interests. It's the Recording/movie Industry Association of America. The creators are nowhere to be seen in the acronym. They give their voice to the companies, not the writers. As they should because the group was formed by said companies. The creators "union" isn't nearly so powerful. And the consumers? Let them eat cake.
Sparks. Lots of sparks. No, I mean lightning bolts. Like when an immortal gets killed on Highlander.
I believe it would be more correct to say that copyright(all IP, actually) laws are just like union leadership. The unions would adapt very quickly if not for those who cling to power. Union leaders became corrupt right at the get-go. So did IP law. Hmmm, just like everything else that acquires undue influence and power. Let's get this straight. IP law was never intended to protect the creator. It was created to protect the creation business. And each time new tech came out, the creation business tried to restrict its use, if not outlaw it completely. It has been that way since that damn printing press was invented. Boy, I bet that's one genie the cartels would like to stuff back into that bottle.
It sure as hell is! Who in the world do you think voted for the people that we all love to hate into office?
I think I derive more humor by letting people figure things out for themslves. Kinda like the girls flashing their titties at a protest march(can you tell I saw Boston Legal last night?). It has nothing to do with the issue, but it might draw more attention, in this case to the book. I just thought a semi-witty comment would be better than me showing my...uh...well, never mind.
Well, that's a good thing, as crack is a very unhealthy substance.
They had nothing to replace it with at the time. HD-DVD/Blu-ray is going to be its replacement. If they had it back then, then that's when it would have happened, and all DVDs would have been cleared from the shelves immediately.
Now I understand your point about boycotts. You're right. They don't work. Well, maybe they work a little for the Christian coalition. They managed to get various programs off the TV and radio in a few cities. And I supposed you could say they worked for the black folks that were boycotting the buses. Hmmm, I guess that just says more about our fragmentation than anything else. But also in our case, boycotting the movie industry for example, would be meaningless when you consider that they also own a big chunk of Procter and Gamble, or Walmart, or your phone company, or are involved in the petroleum industry. My point is, the market is affected by what we buy or don't buy. It is possible, though not very probable that we might be able to direct it consciously. We'll never know until we make a united effort. And you and I both know that the issue as applied here to the entertainment industry is just not very important. It really isn't to me. I don't buy DVDs or CDs anymore(well, never did buy DVDs. I think they look like crap and the players are about as reliable as a floppy drive). I just put on the TV or the radio and tune in something I like. If I want to see a movie that badly, I just rent the damn thing. And there's part of my issue with this. Who rents VHS anymore? Actually plenty of people still do, but it is getting a tiny bit more difficult. I sure don't care about maintaining a collection. Who wants to lug all that crap around every time you move?
I guess my point boils down to this. Why does a person so vehemently complain about something or someone and then continue to buy from or vote them? I find it very bizarre. My posts are mainly aimed at them. However, they never respond. Or they just cop out and scream about how they have no choice. Well, I say, they do. We all do.
They are totally unrelated. I just happened to like the quote. The link is simply a mini HOW-TO. One sig, two topics.
What I don't understand is how the original post got modded offtopic. When it comes to electronic devices, the law has a very detrimental effect on progress. That should be important to everybody involved. Apparently some people have trouble seeing that point. Megafunction(our new buzz-word for the day) devices are absolutely worthless if the government can prohibit ownership to certain classes of people. This is why I hope things like this can lead to super cheap and easy manufacture that can be accomplished anywhere, to preempt that possibility. Otherwise the thing is just another toy for sending smilies to your friends. That will be the only thing you'll be allowed to use it for. Any attempt to circumvent these retrictions will be met with the full weight of the law. I would think that people would see that in light of the DMCA.
megafunctions permitted by law. It is the law that slow down developement and dispensation of these kind of devices. For an example of how the law can kill off a perfectly viable device, look waht happened to the DAT machines. It is due to the law that we don't have widespread blu-ray already, and will make it virtually worthless anyway. These machines may be developing at a rate faster than Moore's law, but IP law and so-called "privacy" laws will noticably slow things down to "within spec". But if all this makes it easier to produce "unauthorized" hardware in our basements, and makes DRM unenforcable, then I say, Go, Go, Gadget, go!
That's pretty much what I'm saying. If the customers don't exhibit good morals, how can we expect the companies to have any morals at all? We, the consumers, are supporting bad behavior when we buy from these people. Their way of doing things will not change until ours does. It is that simple. This why I tend to believe that the anger against the politicians and corporations is misplaced, when it is we who hand over the power and money. We are the ones who painted ourselves into a corner by having kids we can't afford to care for and by falling for this credit card madness. Actually, you(editorial)...because I have neither kids or credit card debt. So, I would say you're in quite a pickle at this point. And I haven't bought anything from the Walmart a half a block down the street(or any other Walmart) for quite a while. I don't drive a car. Unless it's raining, or I'm in a big hurry, or feeling just plain lazy, I always walk. My propane for the stove is locally produced. And since I'm perfectly happy listening to the radio or my noisy neighbors, I haven't bought a single piece of RIAA crap in over seven years. I wait till the movie is on TV, unless invited to the theater. So the only way the "blue meanies" get my money is if they have some action in the distribution of alcoholic beverages...which I'm sure they do, but I'm only willing to give up so much :-) Actually that's not true either. A big company owns my internet connection. And even bigger company provides the lights. Goes to show there's no escape until I leave the planet for good. So, if I want to be truly non-evil, I'll have to move to Gilligan's Island.
In a way you just made my point. Ask three people the definition of "political prisoner", and you'll get three different answers. It is the outsiders' low regard for the law in China that gives the impression that most of their prisoners are political. And it's just as easy for me to consider all property crimes to be political, especially those of intellectual property, since IP law is the tool of censorship in countries that insist that they believe in free speech rights, with the US being the biggest hypocrite in that regard.
And you will die. It's all good if you can accept that. That Lady Smith (:-)) of yours might slow them down for about five seconds, max. The stock pile at the Branch Davidians didn't do them much good in the end, did it? If you want to win against the government, you'd better have bigger nukes that they have.
Heh. You actually believe that? I got some nice prime Florida swam...I mean real estate for sale. I'll even thrown in a bridge.
...but provided I have not actually violated copyright, nothing can be done.
You are so wrong. Your site can be knocked down while you're spending thousands of dollars proving that you did not violate copyright. And, incase you haven't noticed, the US has secret laws. We have no idea of who's locked up under these laws. And you can be thrown into prison if they find you guilty of "incitement" to do whatever they want to prohibit. When it comes to percentage of the population in prison or absolute numbers, the US doesn't really look any better than China. The American's reasons for locking up that many are no less political than China's.
If they pull out of China, it will be for business reasons, not moral ones.
And it's up to all of us to make sure that good morals = good business.
Uh...The "new" format I'm talking about is of the storage medium itself. Not the video or audio output. This seems to be changing every few years. Each time with more capacity and more DRM. And when they stop making players for the old format, you will upgrade when your player becomes unrepairable. Planned obsolescence at its best, I say. And if I were truly evil, I would wish to be a big part of it. It's such easy money. It's the proverbial "taking candy from a baby". Easier than stealing an old woman's purse. I would call it robbery except for the fact that the transaction is consensual. It is a con, however and should be treated as such.
Throw away your DVD player, any digital audio records you might have, your digital cable/satellite box, etc.
What? Did I say "throw away"? No, I said, don't buy. But now that you bring it up, yeah, throw away your cable box and quit buying into it if it's DRM'd. Don't buy any more DVDs. And on that other part, not all digital audio is DRM'd, so, I wouldn't suggest that you toss that out.
Let's stop buying DRM...starting now. Not after the next Star Wars, not after Beverly Hills Cop XIV...NOW! This minute. Heh, the big trick is to convince your neighbors. They don't have a clue as to what's happening yet. And they might not care. They're more pissed about that $3 a gallon gasoline. Hard to copy video is hardly on their minds right now. Unfortunately, neither is looking for alternative fuels or transport. And quite unconsciously, they are the ones making the world we live in today. Expect bigger battles ahead.
I would like to see both of them lose. Don't buy this junk. And I do mean junk. This stuff will not be reliable. How long will it be before the next "new" format comes out? I saw talk of it somewhere. And even if not for the threat of progress, we shouldn't buy DRM'd hardware, no matter what. It's a shame that we are starting to see modern electronics as a "controlled substance".
How are they planning to enforce this on existing setups?
Nothing a little "power surge" or a magic bullet coming down the net can't take care of. And if that doesn't work, then good old father time will finish the job. Sooner or later, you WILL upgrade...by law if necessary. Then you will acquire the needed licenses to operate the equipment. Operating unlicensed equipment will be a class C felony with a mandatory five year sentence. Whoops! There goes your passport. Looks like your stuck in the good ol' USA. See what happens when you let (snake oil)salesmen run the country?
Everybody switch to bicycles!
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