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If you don;t like the law, go into politics, write a congressman/woman.. that is the legal way to go about it.
It doesn't work that way. It's more like, If you don't like the law, incorporate, become a billionaire, "donate" to a congressman/woman's party.. that is the (semi)legal way to go about it. This is what actually produces results. On another note, if you're going to break the law, don't be so damn blatant about it. Centralized servers are so dumb. A true P2P system is just that, no middlemen. I'm pretty sure that they're catching at best about 10% of the file sharers. There's no way they're going to find the real P2P'ers, unless they stumble upon it, or somebody snitches. Kind of like the percentages you see in prohibition violations. The message that comes all the way down from the very top of the heap(your "pillars" of society) is not "Don't break the law."(what they say). It's "Don't get caught."(what they do). This hypocrisy will cause a complete breakdown.
What everybody is forgetting here, is the biggest impedement by far against the alternatives...lack of profit. We can spend all day talking about waste and efficiency, but unless it becomes profitable and controllable by a central "office", it just aint gonna happen. Unless, of course, we as individuals pick up the slack.
It's a trulysickworld that we live in. You have my heartfelt apologies for my failure to stop this insanity. A little collaboration on everybody's part might help.
(sodamnredundant) Me. You. Our neighbors. Any other questions? Don't try to blame the politicians. We put them there. We can take them out. (/sodamnredundant)
GM crops have tremendous potential in regions such as Africa...
What complete nonsense. GM crops are not proven safe. Furthermore any and ALL food distribution problems are political in nature(war, greed, etc.). GM crops are totally unnecessary. Plain old cooperation amongst humans are all that's needed, but greed is more convenient. Genetic modification is about money and profit. It has nothing to do with feeding starving people. If you want to modify your plants, have patience, and do it the old fashioned way...grafting(no patents there...I hope).
When I want a truly secure system, I boot from a liveCD. You can't hose a system that's on read only media...Can you? If fact, doesn't this provide me with that "trusted computing"(the good kind) thing that everybody's talking about? If I want it to boot really fast, could somebody put it on a big ROM? Now I could have a trusted computer with no moving parts(except keyboard and mouse).
Fascinating that the rules you want to apply to us don't also apply to you. You seem to have a history of this. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised. If you have any desire to really help your cause, you may want to make at least a feeble effort at formulating an actual response instead of the endless repetition you practice so freely. Of course that could be extremely difficult when you don't have a leg to stand on.
Nice try. Intellectual property isn't the issue here, as much as you like to constantly bring it up. Apparently you didn't read the article either. No mention of IP there either.
Like...Oh my God! I believe I've actually been fished in by a machine! No human could possilby drone on and on so repetitively while saying absolutely nothing. HEY...programmer...yeah, you there...sitting on the toilet with your Car & Driver magazine, wishing you were the guy driving that 'vette down the autobahn at 195mph...come over here and try to get that machine of yours to say something else. It seems to be stuck in some sort of loop. It's been going on for over a month and a half now. It was entertaining, but now it's just tiresome. As soon as you fix it, let me know. I liked "talking" to it up to this point, and I won't mind continuing. Oh, man...this is so embarrassing. I hope my mom doesn't find out about this. She might start wondering what happened to that money she gave me for singing lessons.
It must be nice to just say that without any supporting evidence or explanation.
I'm leaving up to you to do your own damn googling and prove otherwise. Maybe it will help you get out of that repetative rut you're in.
Then why does Slashdot call it such?
Don't know...don't care. Call it what you want. My statement stands.
No, they're not. They're not mentioned in this article, either...
The article??? I don't come here to read the articles(but I did in this case...and some others). The comments are what I'm interested in, and the comments are where I find that the artists are mentioned plenty of times. And speaking of artists, quit being such a crybaby. You are just trying be treated like royalty, build your damn house on the cliffs in Malibu and expect us to absorb the costs when the damn thing slides into the ocean, ignore trafic laws and other laws that the rest of us would suufer prison time for if we violate them. You want to be paid for the next 75 years for what...two months in the studio? I think you're full of it. Get out and perform damn it! You can get paid from the "ancillary products and services" as that paper put it. If you read anything besides your own posts, you'll know what paper I'm talking about.
...and then when someone calls you on it, claiming you were "misinterpreted."
HA! Now that's funny as hell. You haven't called me on anything. It seems like it's true what's being said about you here. You appear to be simply copying and pasting your(and possibly others) posts without reading, much less actually reponding to what was actually said in the reponses to you. Whatever floats yer boat, bub.
What, it's okay to disrespect the copyrights of large corporations but it's not okay for large corporations to disrespect the copyright of GPL developers?
Where did I say that? Some you guys draw the weirdest conclusions. Even if they have the GPL code in their close source program, there's nothing to stop me from using the same code. It's GPL'd. If they used the GPL code "improperly", then their closed source program is now formerly closed source. If we ever get rich enough, maybe we can get some rubber-stamped subpenas to search their code the same way the ??AA's get our names and addresses from the ISP. Otherwise simple reverse engineering and disassembly will do the trick. You can't close source GPL code, and we have the tools to keep them from hiding it. As far as I'm concerned, if we don't get the same repect from them as they expect from us, then all bets are off. I am under no obligation to tolerate it.
One thing thing I know for sure is that there is so much defective hardware out there now, that I wouldn't doubt for a minute that you got a lemon. A month is within "infant mortality" for for this junk now. As a temporary measure, download the software, and then after you disconnect, just connect the two machines together to pass it over. Use the parallel ports if you have to. It's slow but steady. That's what I have to do with my laptop since its CD ROM died, and it has no network card yet. I use the slax(less than 200meg...Note: the main site was down when I posted this. That's why the chached page from Google. The download link from the mirror seems to work.) liveCD a lot, and it also has k3b...and KDE for the pretty face. I have to say that it(k3b) works great(The rest of it worked great also. I as connected, burning, posting, emailing to ny hearts content, and I could still save docs to my hard drive). Enough so that I downlaoded the source for my regular slackware system. One thing that's really cool about liveCD's is that if it works the first time, it's alway going to work until some hardware dies or the disk gets too scratched up. Plus it fits on one of those little CD's. So if it doesn't boot up, or the burner quits burning, etc., it's time to break into the box.
Yes. Just like it's okay to smoke weed. Copyright and prohibition are both wrong. They put the manufacture and distribution into the hands of criminals. I'd rather not deal with criminals. Real businesses have better quality control.
If so, does that mean nobody should bitch in the next "GPL source code theft" article?
Yes. "GPL source code theft" is impossible. There's nothing to stop anyone from using, sharing, giving, selling it. With that in mind, how is any megacorp that "stole" the code going to make their millions from it? How are they going to keep me from getting the source?
Obviously the wrong people will occassionally get named in these things due to the nature of IPs and the Internet.
And you consider THAT okay?? I find copyright violations a little less offensive(a lot actually) than the legal system being used to harass innocent people.
(notice the artists getting ripped off are never mentioned in those equations).
You are quite the redundant one aren't you? They are mentioned all the time. I've pointed that out before, and you chose to misinterpret that back then also.(How soon they forget...)
I can transfer ownership of my property without transfering the right to copy that property. Why? Because physical possession of an object and exclusive ownership of the rights inherent in that object are different things.
Well, well, well,. You've finally done it. You've made a statement that's so whack, it has left me speechless. There's no way, that I know of, to respond to such complete nonsense. All I can say is, carry on.
Considering that Wrigley Field in Chicago is the best, most beautiful damn beer garden in the whole wide world, it's hard not to get addicted. Not to the team, but the place. They could put Little League in there, and I'd still show up. They probably would be more entertaining than the Cubs anyway, and they (the Little Leaguers) probably have a better chance at their world series. I just could never shun that. There are limits ya know:-)...but you get the idea. I brought up the profit issue because it seems like people won't advocate much of anything they can't make money from. Sometimes boycotting a company can be completely ineffective if they also own a company that makes something you really need. Something like the phone company, TV or radio network that you boycott would also own action in General Mills, for example. Either way, they get your money. So, we can only do what we can, and just do our best to enjoy the time we have here as much as possible. I will still advocate it where I can, though. When it becomes widespread enough, it will work very well on the long run. It sure would be nice if it started happening in my lifetime. It could bring about some real changes. Let's hope...
Hey, are you still looking into the Stirling engines? If you ever get one, write about it. ok? You can always email me at inmex1982 at yahoo dot com.
Sorry to reply twice. You are right to suggest the Mac. It is simply theee best thing for new users. Silly question...Does the burner still work in Windows? If not then you have your answer. I've had burners that slowly went "blind". The problem starts out completely randomly, then it just gets worse from there. I can't remember how many disks I threw out thinking there were defective. Turns out the drive developed "cataract" or something. I feel lucky if my burners last more than 18 months. This whole thing about CD's and drives being so durable is such a scam. I'm thinking of going back to tape for backups. I have ten year old tapes that still work, but man, is it slow...especially over the parallel port. I can't imagen how long it will take to back up 50 gigs. Back to Linux docs and support... I can't complain about it for the obvious reasons, but I do find them...how to put this nicely...humorous, old and sometimes they lack what to me could be considered obvious info. If Linux lacks anything now, it's finesse. Like you said, it just doesn't quite feel complete, yet. On the other hand, considering the ridiculous variety of hardware out there. I can take my "slax" live CD, and it works perfectly on almost every machine I ran it on(I'll have to try a modem sometime. Every machine I used it on was networked).
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If you don;t like the law, go into politics, write a congressman/woman.. that is the legal way to go about it.
It doesn't work that way. It's more like, If you don't like the law, incorporate, become a billionaire, "donate" to a congressman/woman's party.. that is the (semi)legal way to go about it. This is what actually produces results. On another note, if you're going to break the law, don't be so damn blatant about it. Centralized servers are so dumb. A true P2P system is just that, no middlemen. I'm pretty sure that they're catching at best about 10% of the file sharers. There's no way they're going to find the real P2P'ers, unless they stumble upon it, or somebody snitches. Kind of like the percentages you see in prohibition violations. The message that comes all the way down from the very top of the heap(your "pillars" of society) is not "Don't break the law."(what they say). It's "Don't get caught."(what they do). This hypocrisy will cause a complete breakdown.
...they're not much closer to achieving the goal of a "trusted, secure" OS.
And that's something we already have with our live CD's. They'll get the needed security when they produce a read only OS.
What everybody is forgetting here, is the biggest impedement by far against the alternatives...lack of profit. We can spend all day talking about waste and efficiency, but unless it becomes profitable and controllable by a central "office", it just aint gonna happen. Unless, of course, we as individuals pick up the slack.
It's a truly sick world that we live in. You have my heartfelt apologies for my failure to stop this insanity. A little collaboration on everybody's part might help.
Who's to blame?
(sodamnredundant)
Me. You. Our neighbors. Any other questions? Don't try to blame the politicians. We put them there. We can take them out.
(/sodamnredundant)
If only the European nations would get a clue.
GM crops have tremendous potential in regions such as Africa...
What complete nonsense. GM crops are not proven safe. Furthermore any and ALL food distribution problems are political in nature(war, greed, etc.). GM crops are totally unnecessary. Plain old cooperation amongst humans are all that's needed, but greed is more convenient. Genetic modification is about money and profit. It has nothing to do with feeding starving people. If you want to modify your plants, have patience, and do it the old fashioned way...grafting(no patents there...I hope).
When I want a truly secure system, I boot from a liveCD. You can't hose a system that's on read only media...Can you? If fact, doesn't this provide me with that "trusted computing"(the good kind) thing that everybody's talking about? If I want it to boot really fast, could somebody put it on a big ROM? Now I could have a trusted computer with no moving parts(except keyboard and mouse).
Your reply to him: I don't need to say why it's obvious.
Your reply to me: It must be nice to just say that without any supporting evidence or explanation.
Fascinating that the rules you want to apply to us don't also apply to you. You seem to have a history of this. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised. If you have any desire to really help your cause, you may want to make at least a feeble effort at formulating an actual response instead of the endless repetition you practice so freely. Of course that could be extremely difficult when you don't have a leg to stand on.
Nice try. Intellectual property isn't the issue here, as much as you like to constantly bring it up. Apparently you didn't read the article either. No mention of IP there either.
If all you're getting is STD's from a defective condom, I don't think you're using it in the right place.
A slightly more important question might be: Who elected them into office?
Couldn't they have just switched the alarn on and off and listen for the chirp?
Like...Oh my God! I believe I've actually been fished in by a machine! No human could possilby drone on and on so repetitively while saying absolutely nothing. HEY...programmer...yeah, you there...sitting on the toilet with your Car & Driver magazine, wishing you were the guy driving that 'vette down the autobahn at 195mph...come over here and try to get that machine of yours to say something else. It seems to be stuck in some sort of loop. It's been going on for over a month and a half now. It was entertaining, but now it's just tiresome. As soon as you fix it, let me know. I liked "talking" to it up to this point, and I won't mind continuing. Oh, man...this is so embarrassing. I hope my mom doesn't find out about this. She might start wondering what happened to that money she gave me for singing lessons.
It must be nice to just say that without any supporting evidence or explanation.
...and then when someone calls you on it, claiming you were "misinterpreted."
I'm leaving up to you to do your own damn googling and prove otherwise. Maybe it will help you get out of that repetative rut you're in.
Then why does Slashdot call it such?
Don't know...don't care. Call it what you want. My statement stands.
No, they're not. They're not mentioned in this article, either...
The article??? I don't come here to read the articles(but I did in this case...and some others). The comments are what I'm interested in, and the comments are where I find that the artists are mentioned plenty of times. And speaking of artists, quit being such a crybaby. You are just trying be treated like royalty, build your damn house on the cliffs in Malibu and expect us to absorb the costs when the damn thing slides into the ocean, ignore trafic laws and other laws that the rest of us would suufer prison time for if we violate them. You want to be paid for the next 75 years for what...two months in the studio? I think you're full of it. Get out and perform damn it! You can get paid from the "ancillary products and services" as that paper put it. If you read anything besides your own posts, you'll know what paper I'm talking about.
HA! Now that's funny as hell. You haven't called me on anything. It seems like it's true what's being said about you here. You appear to be simply copying and pasting your(and possibly others) posts without reading, much less actually reponding to what was actually said in the reponses to you. Whatever floats yer boat, bub.
What, it's okay to disrespect the copyrights of large corporations but it's not okay for large corporations to disrespect the copyright of GPL developers?
Where did I say that? Some you guys draw the weirdest conclusions. Even if they have the GPL code in their close source program, there's nothing to stop me from using the same code. It's GPL'd. If they used the GPL code "improperly", then their closed source program is now formerly closed source. If we ever get rich enough, maybe we can get some rubber-stamped subpenas to search their code the same way the ??AA's get our names and addresses from the ISP. Otherwise simple reverse engineering and disassembly will do the trick. You can't close source GPL code, and we have the tools to keep them from hiding it. As far as I'm concerned, if we don't get the same repect from them as they expect from us, then all bets are off. I am under no obligation to tolerate it.
One thing thing I know for sure is that there is so much defective hardware out there now, that I wouldn't doubt for a minute that you got a lemon. A month is within "infant mortality" for for this junk now. As a temporary measure, download the software, and then after you disconnect, just connect the two machines together to pass it over. Use the parallel ports if you have to. It's slow but steady. That's what I have to do with my laptop since its CD ROM died, and it has no network card yet. I use the slax(less than 200meg...Note: the main site was down when I posted this. That's why the chached page from Google. The download link from the mirror seems to work.) liveCD a lot, and it also has k3b...and KDE for the pretty face. I have to say that it(k3b) works great(The rest of it worked great also. I as connected, burning, posting, emailing to ny hearts content, and I could still save docs to my hard drive). Enough so that I downlaoded the source for my regular slackware system. One thing that's really cool about liveCD's is that if it works the first time, it's alway going to work until some hardware dies or the disk gets too scratched up. Plus it fits on one of those little CD's. So if it doesn't boot up, or the burner quits burning, etc., it's time to break into the box.
Here we go again!
Is it okay to violate music copyrights?
Yes. Just like it's okay to smoke weed. Copyright and prohibition are both wrong. They put the manufacture and distribution into the hands of criminals. I'd rather not deal with criminals. Real businesses have better quality control.
If so, does that mean nobody should bitch in the next "GPL source code theft" article?
Yes. "GPL source code theft" is impossible. There's nothing to stop anyone from using, sharing, giving, selling it. With that in mind, how is any megacorp that "stole" the code going to make their millions from it? How are they going to keep me from getting the source?
Obviously the wrong people will occassionally get named in these things due to the nature of IPs and the Internet.
And you consider THAT okay?? I find copyright violations a little less offensive(a lot actually) than the legal system being used to harass innocent people.
(notice the artists getting ripped off are never mentioned in those equations).
You are quite the redundant one aren't you? They are mentioned all the time. I've pointed that out before, and you chose to misinterpret that back then also.(How soon they forget...)
But Netcraft confirms it, mail.fbi.gov is dead!
So are Paul McCartney, God, and BSD(Yay Slashdot!).
I can transfer ownership of my property without transfering the right to copy that property. Why? Because physical possession of an object and exclusive ownership of the rights inherent in that object are different things.
Well, well, well,. You've finally done it. You've made a statement that's so whack, it has left me speechless. There's no way, that I know of, to respond to such complete nonsense. All I can say is, carry on.
Not only that, the calculater will process up to infinity...if you have the time. And you forgot solitare, the safest program ever made.
Considering that Wrigley Field in Chicago is the best, most beautiful damn beer garden in the whole wide world, it's hard not to get addicted. Not to the team, but the place. They could put Little League in there, and I'd still show up. They probably would be more entertaining than the Cubs anyway, and they (the Little Leaguers) probably have a better chance at their world series. I just could never shun that. There are limits ya know :-)...but you get the idea. I brought up the profit issue because it seems like people won't advocate much of anything they can't make money from. Sometimes boycotting a company can be completely ineffective if they also own a company that makes something you really need. Something like the phone company, TV or radio network that you boycott would also own action in General Mills, for example. Either way, they get your money. So, we can only do what we can, and just do our best to enjoy the time we have here as much as possible. I will still advocate it where I can, though. When it becomes widespread enough, it will work very well on the long run. It sure would be nice if it started happening in my lifetime. It could bring about some real changes. Let's hope...
Hey, are you still looking into the Stirling engines? If you ever get one, write about it. ok? You can always email me at inmex1982 at yahoo dot com.
Sorry to reply twice. You are right to suggest the Mac. It is simply theee best thing for new users. Silly question...Does the burner still work in Windows? If not then you have your answer. I've had burners that slowly went "blind". The problem starts out completely randomly, then it just gets worse from there. I can't remember how many disks I threw out thinking there were defective. Turns out the drive developed "cataract" or something. I feel lucky if my burners last more than 18 months. This whole thing about CD's and drives being so durable is such a scam. I'm thinking of going back to tape for backups. I have ten year old tapes that still work, but man, is it slow...especially over the parallel port. I can't imagen how long it will take to back up 50 gigs.
Back to Linux docs and support... I can't complain about it for the obvious reasons, but I do find them...how to put this nicely...humorous, old and sometimes they lack what to me could be considered obvious info. If Linux lacks anything now, it's finesse. Like you said, it just doesn't quite feel complete, yet. On the other hand, considering the ridiculous variety of hardware out there. I can take my "slax" live CD, and it works perfectly on almost every machine I ran it on(I'll have to try a modem sometime. Every machine I used it on was networked).
...I'm in the mood to shoot someone except it would be too loud...
Here ya go. I've always loved these guys.
As for the toothache...well, there's always this.
I didn't realize encrypting stuff was illegal.
Give 'em time. The day is young.