But they specifically don't filter out titles known to be unavailable for free. Ergo they allow such titles to be searched for and found, ergo they intend that result.
Re your last paragraph - agreed. As I said, as to whether these sites have committed a moral crime is another matter.
The intent of the site is that people searching it can find the location of copyrighted materials.
Since the consequences of putting up such "sign posts" is that people will find this material it is therefore arguable that the consequences were foreseen (if disregarded).
This is called inferred intent. The principle comes from UK Criminal Law but is applicable universally because it speak of a basic truth. That to recklessly ignore the natural consequences of your actions, but to carry on with those actions anyway, is tantamount to intending those consequences.
Ergo - the site's purpose is to facilitate the downloading of copyrighted materials.
Ergo - they are guilty.
As to whether they are guilty of a moral crime is another matter.
Currently rather busy emptying the public coffers into the pockets of the banks. Unemployment is rising rather quickly so the tax haul is reducing - thus, a new income stream must be found and the internet is untaxed.
You could argue, and you'd be right if you did, that connection prices in the UK, as say compared to Europe, are extremely high with a seriously sh*tty service for your money and that this constitutes a form of tax. Call it a "ha ha, you live on an Island, where are you going to go for a cheaper connection?" tax *(the same principle can be applied to most things on the particular bit of dirt we call the UK).
It says everything you need to know about Government, the ISP's and capitalism in general. Profit is privatised and loss is socialised.
WIth a bit of luck it will be a voluntary tax and we can all refuse to pay it and f*ck the lot of them.
...and the periodic screams of horror as people realise that they got taken in by "even faster and even more secure" AGAIN, provide a good one.
How many iterations of Windows is it now?
And every time the same crap. Every time they promise that "this time we've got it right" and every time they haven't.
This isn't Stockholm Syndrome this is closer to a Loony Tunes cartoon. Maybe Ballmer should appear at a press conference with a hand held sign with "This is silly!" written on it.
Does it work on animals?
If it does it almost certainly is real, if not then it's probably fake.
Can't speak for most of the mentioned remedies but herbal remedies (what are drugs based on?) usually do work on animals.
Must be some sort of chaos field around that headline because I saw "11,000 yr old turkey found in temple" as well.
I am not alone!!!!
on behalf of the Church of the Subconscious Wishful Reader
I pity the poor saps who have to sit and listen to our phone calls. I come close to running out the room screaming with people I've known for years - whiney, self-indulgent moaning. Bitching about the weather, the government, the television, cars, public transport, the quality of the beer and then of course I've got this terrible pain in the diodes all down my left hand side...
Please will somebody play with us?
Please!
Why won't anyone play with us?
Mr Yahoo will you play with us? Why not?
What do you mean untrustworthy?
WHY WON'T ANYONE PLAY WITH US?
And there was me thinking that the tendency of Yahoo to cooperate with the Chinese Gov in tracking down "dissidents" would have made anything they did repulsive in the eyes of anyone with a heart. Accepting money off them comes under this assumption.
Such optimism, when will I ever learn?
We're in the West where anything goes and the consequences, as long as they happen to others elsewhere, are of no concern to us. Who cares if we do business with those who have no conscience?
I've seen all of his films.
Oh yeah, and universal healthcare FTW (yeah right, like that will ever happen in this country).
Agreed.
This is not argument against it happening though. There are far far more of us being ripped off than doing the ripping off. Strength in numbers and all that.
If I spoke out against anything, it was the tacit agreement with the propaganda that Universal Healthcare is either not-doable or undesirable. Both are lies spread by those who make bazillions out of suffering.
But I/we can still dream can we not?
Clearly, we cannot continue for too long as we are. Historically, when the rich start to take the piss big style, society comes apart and revolutions begin to foment.
We seem to be living in one those times when "the rich" have lost all sense of decorum or reality.
It'll end in tears.
So which "Socialsim" are you objecting to...
I don't know you at all, hence the question. It was meant as a genuine question and not a preconceived judgement.
Yes - motivation is the killer.
Many, many people want the chance to be RICH, to be POWERFUL, to have WEALTH and to DO WHAT THEY WANT.
Yes, I know - depressing is it not? Entranced by the portrayal of the rich as without constraint. Maybe if constraint was placed upon them less people would want to be like them. I speak lightly on this - realising as I do the enormity of the task.
None of this makes me feel less strongly about these things - just depressed.
Why is that?
Is it because Socialism is discredited in much the same way that communism is discredited - despite the fact it's yet to be practiced properly? Or because such is the weight of negative propaganda against it by those who fear such a system? Or because you genuinely have problems with socialism.
Socialism So"cial*ism, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.]
A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a
complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and
equitable distribution of property and labor.
The dictionary goes on to say...
In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless,
revolutionary social scheme.
So which "Socialsim" are you objecting to - the dictionary definition or the "now come to mean" popular misuse of the term?
The universe will not be altered by forum threads, even those which are very wry. --Tycho Brahe
Lovely sig!
Yes, ranting for breakfast - never the best idea to post within half an hour of awaking.
Maybe "unfettered capitalism" would have been a better term.
Here in the UK we effectively no longer have free dentistry and the prices are stupidly high for private treatment - I couldn't afford Medical Insurance even if I was prepared to pay for it - so we are descending back in to the middle ages again - lots of people with terrible teeth.
I put the blame squarely on the Gov' that said "we can't stop dentists going private" - lies of course- if the Gov' couldn't stop them - who could?
Once you allow greed into the welfare system it's only a matter of time before there is no welfare left. There's no profit in helping those who can't help themselves.
...at the level of hard hearted, sneering ignorance in some of the posts on this subject.
Let me make a guess here - a reasonable proportion/most of the responders are Americans who can afford Medical Insurance.
Rarely have I heard such sneering disdain for the poor and for documentary makers. Michael Moore makes films that try to show you what has happened to your country and mostly all you can seem to do is sneer at him.
The attitude of "pay or fuck off and die in the gutter" is not acceptable in a civilised human being. What, do you think it's cool to be mega-wealthy and then refuse help to someone who's in need? What has happened to your humanity?
And some hopeless retard actually said "socialism is a bad idea". What, and the fucked up, society wrecking, planet consuming filth called capitalism is better?
Socialism is your only hope, its just that those who make the most money from this retarded capitalism thing have a vested interest in promoting socialism as a stupid evil that would spoil everything because it would spoil everything - for them. And you've fallen for it. Well duh! is, I think, the correct response at this juncture.
As for Google...
After China are you really that surprised? It's surely more a case of, if they go mega evil slowly enough most of you will still be trumpeting the fact that "hey, but they use Linux" when the google-bot delivers the evidence against you in the google-court.
Unfortunately for that argument, scripture says a lot about sheep, most of it positive and encouraging - My sheep hear My voice, I am the good shepherd, and He separates the sheep from the goats etc
To accuse a Christian of being a sheep is not an insult.
Remember the "warnings" on record sleeves "Home taping is killing music" - did it?
Precisely.
Copyright was supposed to be to protect the melody and words of a song so that another artist cannot copy large parts of the song/melody without paying royalties. Not to stop the audience getting hold of the song.
It's a greedy, ugly industry trying to scare governments into passing laws to make their income stream bigger and easier to maintain.
Want to know why sales are falling?
Because a lot of mainstream music is bland, boring crap. Where are the protest singers in the charts? Where are the artists? It's all family oriented, safe for the children, shrink wrapped, corporate approved, vaguely pornographic nonsense.
...are the companies who come muscling in - "oh you're doing a Linux migration, you'll need our help, we charge £500 a day and will take several days to do anything at all".
It's largely not the staff "on the ground", they are enthusiastic. It's poor choice of distro (SuSE 9.3), requiring EXTREMELY expensive development to attempt to make it work as expected and general dithering.
My Oval Office
My Little Puppy British Prime Minister
My Electronic Voting Machine - press the button, the screen changes, but nothing else does.
UN.dll has caused a fatal error.
Foreign Country Explorer - where do you want to invade today?
Standing down?
It's better than nothing I suppose.
Led away in handcuffs to stand trial for his part in crimes against humanity would have been a lot better.
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But they specifically don't filter out titles known to be unavailable for free. Ergo they allow such titles to be searched for and found, ergo they intend that result.
Re your last paragraph - agreed. As I said, as to whether these sites have committed a moral crime is another matter.
The intent of the site is that people searching it can find the location of copyrighted materials.
Since the consequences of putting up such "sign posts" is that people will find this material it is therefore arguable that the consequences were foreseen (if disregarded).
This is called inferred intent. The principle comes from UK Criminal Law but is applicable universally because it speak of a basic truth. That to recklessly ignore the natural consequences of your actions, but to carry on with those actions anyway, is tantamount to intending those consequences.
Ergo - the site's purpose is to facilitate the downloading of copyrighted materials.
Ergo - they are guilty.
As to whether they are guilty of a moral crime is another matter.
Currently rather busy emptying the public coffers into the pockets of the banks. Unemployment is rising rather quickly so the tax haul is reducing - thus, a new income stream must be found and the internet is untaxed.
You could argue, and you'd be right if you did, that connection prices in the UK, as say compared to Europe, are extremely high with a seriously sh*tty service for your money and that this constitutes a form of tax. Call it a "ha ha, you live on an Island, where are you going to go for a cheaper connection?" tax *(the same principle can be applied to most things on the particular bit of dirt we call the UK).
It says everything you need to know about Government, the ISP's and capitalism in general. Profit is privatised and loss is socialised.
WIth a bit of luck it will be a voluntary tax and we can all refuse to pay it and f*ck the lot of them.
...and the periodic screams of horror as people realise that they got taken in by "even faster and even more secure" AGAIN, provide a good one.
How many iterations of Windows is it now?
And every time the same crap. Every time they promise that "this time we've got it right" and every time they haven't.
This isn't Stockholm Syndrome this is closer to a Loony Tunes cartoon. Maybe Ballmer should appear at a press conference with a hand held sign with "This is silly!" written on it.
"a growingly sophisticated audience" - is butt-ugly English. Surely, "an increasingly sophisticated audience"?
Does it work on animals? If it does it almost certainly is real, if not then it's probably fake. Can't speak for most of the mentioned remedies but herbal remedies (what are drugs based on?) usually do work on animals.
Must be some sort of chaos field around that headline because I saw "11,000 yr old turkey found in temple" as well. I am not alone!!!! on behalf of the Church of the Subconscious Wishful Reader
I pity the poor saps who have to sit and listen to our phone calls. I come close to running out the room screaming with people I've known for years - whiney, self-indulgent moaning. Bitching about the weather, the government, the television, cars, public transport, the quality of the beer and then of course I've got this terrible pain in the diodes all down my left hand side...
Dat's wight wabbit.
Please will somebody play with us? Please! Why won't anyone play with us? Mr Yahoo will you play with us? Why not? What do you mean untrustworthy? WHY WON'T ANYONE PLAY WITH US?
...and then of course I have this terrible pain in the (diodes/insert name of groovy new technology) all down my left hand side.
And there was me thinking that the tendency of Yahoo to cooperate with the Chinese Gov in tracking down "dissidents" would have made anything they did repulsive in the eyes of anyone with a heart. Accepting money off them comes under this assumption.
Such optimism, when will I ever learn? We're in the West where anything goes and the consequences, as long as they happen to others elsewhere, are of no concern to us. Who cares if we do business with those who have no conscience?
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I've seen all of his films.
Oh yeah, and universal healthcare FTW (yeah right, like that will ever happen in this country).
Agreed.
This is not argument against it happening though. There are far far more of us being ripped off than doing the ripping off. Strength in numbers and all that.
If I spoke out against anything, it was the tacit agreement with the propaganda that Universal Healthcare is either not-doable or undesirable. Both are lies spread by those who make bazillions out of suffering.
But I/we can still dream can we not?
Clearly, we cannot continue for too long as we are. Historically, when the rich start to take the piss big style, society comes apart and revolutions begin to foment.
We seem to be living in one those times when "the rich" have lost all sense of decorum or reality.
It'll end in tears.
So which "Socialsim" are you objecting to...
I don't know you at all, hence the question. It was meant as a genuine question and not a preconceived judgement.
Yes - motivation is the killer.
Many, many people want the chance to be RICH, to be POWERFUL, to have WEALTH and to DO WHAT THEY WANT.
Yes, I know - depressing is it not? Entranced by the portrayal of the rich as without constraint. Maybe if constraint was placed upon them less people would want to be like them. I speak lightly on this - realising as I do the enormity of the task.
None of this makes me feel less strongly about these things - just depressed.
Why is that?
Is it because Socialism is discredited in much the same way that communism is discredited - despite the fact it's yet to be practiced properly? Or because such is the weight of negative propaganda against it by those who fear such a system? Or because you genuinely have problems with socialism.
Socialism So"cial*ism, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.]
A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor.
The dictionary goes on to say...
In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme.
So which "Socialsim" are you objecting to - the dictionary definition or the "now come to mean" popular misuse of the term?
The universe will not be altered by forum threads, even those which are very wry. --Tycho Brahe
Lovely sig!
Yes, ranting for breakfast - never the best idea to post within half an hour of awaking. Maybe "unfettered capitalism" would have been a better term.
Here in the UK we effectively no longer have free dentistry and the prices are stupidly high for private treatment - I couldn't afford Medical Insurance even if I was prepared to pay for it - so we are descending back in to the middle ages again - lots of people with terrible teeth. I put the blame squarely on the Gov' that said "we can't stop dentists going private" - lies of course- if the Gov' couldn't stop them - who could? Once you allow greed into the welfare system it's only a matter of time before there is no welfare left. There's no profit in helping those who can't help themselves.
...at the level of hard hearted, sneering ignorance in some of the posts on this subject. Let me make a guess here - a reasonable proportion/most of the responders are Americans who can afford Medical Insurance.
Rarely have I heard such sneering disdain for the poor and for documentary makers. Michael Moore makes films that try to show you what has happened to your country and mostly all you can seem to do is sneer at him.
The attitude of "pay or fuck off and die in the gutter" is not acceptable in a civilised human being. What, do you think it's cool to be mega-wealthy and then refuse help to someone who's in need? What has happened to your humanity?
And some hopeless retard actually said "socialism is a bad idea". What, and the fucked up, society wrecking, planet consuming filth called capitalism is better?
Socialism is your only hope, its just that those who make the most money from this retarded capitalism thing have a vested interest in promoting socialism as a stupid evil that would spoil everything because it would spoil everything - for them. And you've fallen for it. Well duh! is, I think, the correct response at this juncture.
As for Google...
After China are you really that surprised? It's surely more a case of, if they go mega evil slowly enough most of you will still be trumpeting the fact that "hey, but they use Linux" when the google-bot delivers the evidence against you in the google-court.
Wow - they sold another three copies.
Last I heard El Reg was reporting they only sold 244 copies. Word must be spreading!
Unfortunately for that argument, scripture says a lot about sheep, most of it positive and encouraging - My sheep hear My voice, I am the good shepherd, and He separates the sheep from the goats etc
To accuse a Christian of being a sheep is not an insult.
Two things.
Remember the "warnings" on record sleeves "Home taping is killing music" - did it?
Precisely.
Copyright was supposed to be to protect the melody and words of a song so that another artist cannot copy large parts of the song/melody without paying royalties. Not to stop the audience getting hold of the song.
It's a greedy, ugly industry trying to scare governments into passing laws to make their income stream bigger and easier to maintain.
Want to know why sales are falling?
Because a lot of mainstream music is bland, boring crap. Where are the protest singers in the charts? Where are the artists? It's all family oriented, safe for the children, shrink wrapped, corporate approved, vaguely pornographic nonsense.
...are the companies who come muscling in - "oh you're doing a Linux migration, you'll need our help, we charge £500 a day and will take several days to do anything at all".
It's largely not the staff "on the ground", they are enthusiastic. It's poor choice of distro (SuSE 9.3), requiring EXTREMELY expensive development to attempt to make it work as expected and general dithering.
But it is both a shame and a scandal.
My Oval Office
My Little Puppy British Prime Minister
My Electronic Voting Machine - press the button, the screen changes, but nothing else does.
UN.dll has caused a fatal error.
Foreign Country Explorer - where do you want to invade today?
Standing down?
It's better than nothing I suppose.
Led away in handcuffs to stand trial for his part in crimes against humanity would have been a lot better.