here is a comment posted at the bottom of the article that is worth repeating:
By request?? (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 20th, 2004 at 03:56:50 PM PDT
What's with the "by request" crap? I don't want to go into Best Buy and chase down an "associate" every time I want to know about licensing of a product. If the software company lost, and consumers won, how come consumers are running around looking for help?
Post the license stuff right there on the shelf with the software, or better yet, put it on the box in the first darn place. If its so complex that it won't fit with readable fonts, maybe its better to go buy something else.
Good grief, we aren't winning, we are getting punished for objecting....
We use a digital recording system to record mp3s and burn CDs of our church services. We intend to use P2P to defray the costs of bandwidth to be able to distribute the recordings freely. Since the church owns the copyright there are no legal encumbrences to this distribution.
A Bit Offtopic: But Slashdot provided much of the info required for designing and building the recording device and to my knowledge there is none like it elsewhere.
I've been on both sides of the coin. I ran a PC shop for a while... soldem... boughtem... builtem... the whole bit.
It all comes down to this (whether grocer, clothing, computer or other):
If the store has nothing to offer me for their higher price then why shouldn't I buy off the net instead of local. I buy local because I EXPECT them to take a reasonable return (resaleable condition) if I find for some reason that what I purchased doesn't fit my needs.
This expectation is in exchange for the 20-30% difference in price between local retail and what I can buy it for on the net.
Just like/. likes to tell the RIAA/MPAA... go ahead... abuse your customers... see how long it lasts.
If I can't return stuff (again, resaleable) then why should I buy local... I can get the same treatment off the net at a fraction of the price.
" John Ashcroft is fighting for greater privacy for email?"
Of course. If everyone realizes how insecure email really is then encryption will become more prevalent . More ecrypted traffic means a lower singal to noise ratio and much harder to find those conversations that the Feds want to snoop on.
Don't kid yourself. When the Federal Government wants to read your encrypted email they can. But finding what email is worth decrpyting is much harder when everyone is encrypting their email, but as it stands now so few do that an encrypted email is like a red flag saying "Hey! I am important enough to bother decrpyting!"
Before Slashdot goes off half cocked (what? to late?) realize that this is a plan... if...
That's what the US military does best... generate reems of useless paperwork full of plans so that if the need arises.
Would you have them ill prepared? You DO have a DR plan for those mission critical servers, right!?! Same thing... dig through the military archives of pointless studies and you will find alot of plans just in case something goes awry.
Now... IF the US starts shooting down satelites on a regular basis then feel free to Flame On!
Am I the only one who thinks that the only adequate punishment that is gonna put a stop to the Diebold-esue shenanigans is to prosecute the company into the ground and then go after every VP/Salesman who lies about the severity of the problems and the coverup?
This Has Got To Stop!
(Yes... been sitting on the sidelines, but I am about fed up)
**snide intone** Do you feel threatened by the competition?
And well you should...
Sure, go ahead... try to control VOIP...
It won't work...
**/snide intone** **angry intone** Your days are numbered and I for one am GLAD!
You ripped off the consumer for far to many years and now your whole industry is facing devastation at the hands of cell phone providers and OSS/paid VOIP providers.
These days it is difficult enough to get training (at least in the corp America I work in) let alone offsite. A whole week to do nothing but dig in and learn. Take it... then on your own you can always do self paced work and such... it's a win-win.
An old adage that applies quite well even to the Internet age.
Gmail generates ad revenue, but abusing the account in this way both deprives Google of ad revenue as well and costs them network traffic and will likely increase their disk usage.
This is like that cool neighboor of yours that says you can borrow his tools and then you go over take everything you can find as well as set up a sign in your front lawn for others to join "the fun".
Goolgle won't leave this intact long and I don't blame them a bit.
I can't help but reply to this... and mod me troll if you must.
The so called 'Court of Public Opinion' is a Court of Fools (tm) easily manipulated and controlled by those with the influence and inclination to do so.
Whether he has committed crimes will be judged in a court of Law where at least there is some semblance of justice... let the Fools(tm) have their opinions... I'll settle for broken justice!
I am not a statistician and therefore am not going to discuss the merits of 1%, but Change IS Change.
While Mom and Pop (tm) may still use whatever is default for some time to come, just keep passing out CDs and downloading it for friends... it IS catching on.
I just burned a CD for a friend stuck on dialup. She is a school teacher in NYC and could care less about mozilla/ie/netscape/blah, BUT she has adware/spyware clogging her computer. So I burn a CD with adaware, spybot, AND Firefox along with a text file telling her how and what to do.
Those of us whom accountants might say have even somewhat complicated tax returns require a program to help categorize and summarize all of the various transactions. Now my Bank doesn't have enough information to do that... and they don't need it either (*dons tinfoil hat*)... and if they did I would find another bank (*removes tinfoil hat*).
I run Quicken all year long and when tax time comes around it's a matter of running the right reports and taking the results and putting them in the various schedules. Even the IRS is often satisfied with the reports generated by Quicken, though they may ask for actual receipts and such during the audit.
The point being that Quicken (sorry guys, tried moving over to OSS and wasn't satisfied with current state) gives me detailed Tax related categorization and summarization that my bank statement (online banking service) doesn't.
The difficulty here is that many Banks require Internet Explorer. I use Firefox and before that opera netscape, even lynx to avoid having to use IE, but when it comes to banking sometimes I have little choice. Recently I even pulled down the extension so that Firefox would fool my Cable provider into thinking it was IE, but that doesn't work with my Bank.
Get out in the the Real World (tm)(c) and realize that the problem is bigger that just "download Firefox and switch".
VNC is only unacceptably slow if it is not configured correctly. I regularly (read EVERYday) use VNC via ssh to connect to work and run my full Linux desktop as well as Windows under VMware (stupid corp policy w/ Outlook) and it is both fast and efficient.
In fact I can sit anywhere on the Coporate LAN (Fortune 500 Co) and efficiently work from my desk. I have sat at all flavors of Unix, windows, heck even a Mac to work and before long probably my Phone;-).
My point is this: Don't discount an App (especially such a widely used app) just becuase you haven't figured out how to use it efficiently. (useability is a separate discussion.)
What you ar leaving out is the balance brought in by P2P sharing. While illegal, were it not for P2P (Napster, then Kazaa, Gnutella, etc) iTunes would not have 99c songs...
Though iTunes is the dominant factor in legal music downloads, the sharing aspect will always keep a bit of balance to the system.
That said, I am glad to see someone prove that this is a viable business as it lends credence to the statement "Give me a legal alternative" that many P2Pers have made.
My $.02 inflation adjusted... take it for what it's worth.
At the risk of sounding on-ups-man some might find this intersting/amusing.
Due to lack of cash flow I had at one point 22 Drives attached to my poor Duron 700 for almost 200GB of disk space. There were 12 IDE (4 builin, 4 on each of 2 add in cards) the rest were scsi.
I set it up in a FreeBSD vinum raid5 array and although performance was abysmal I had reliability even though many of the scsi were salvaged 4.5 or 9gb disks!
Some would call me crazy (or worse), but I got by until better times and was able to purchase a decent drive to replace them.
While this may be true as has been proven in the OSS community already it is rare to get such singleminded cooperation. Not to say it won't happen, but more likely to see various "support the artist" distributions....
You know something like:
* Pass the Red Hat and put something in it for the Artists * Apt-Get Install $$$ into Artist Account * Mandrake Beutified Payment Plan
Fragmentation is a characteristic (whether good or bad *you* be the judge) of the OSS community.
Is broadcasting music on the Mercora network legal?
Yes. Mercora has obtained the necessary licenses so that you can broadcast music on the Mercora Network legally.
Specifically, Mercora enables the webcasting of music according to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 114 (required Adobe Acrobat to read). Mercora has obtained the statutory license for the non-interactive streaming of sound recordings from Sound Exchange, the organization designated by the U.S. Copyright Office to collect and distribute statutory royalties to sound recording copyright owners and featured and non featured artists. Mercora has also taken care of all U.S. musical composition performance royalties through its licenses with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. Most song writers are represented by these agencies but there are some who are not affiliated with them, and you will need to obtain their permission before you can webcast their music. Mercora also ensures that any broadcast using the Mercora client adheres to the sound recording performance complement as specified in the DMCA. Read more about broadcasting on the Mercora Network.
RIAA has no intention of trying to kill the whole hive by swatiting a few hundred bees at a time.
Rather, the intent is to minimize new bees joining the hive, while at the same time through intimidation reduce the members of the hive contributing productively.
In the end they hope the hive will starve off from lack of contributors (sharers).
I Pre-Apologize for the extended use of a bad analogy, but I just couldn't resist:-p
Slashdot Mirror
Stop reading slashdot and stand in the middle of the room!
Yes, you!
We've had our eye on you for a while and our agents will be there shortly to aprehend you for your criminal acts, and yes, Room 101 is waiting!
/obscure "1984" reference
What's with the "by request" crap? I don't want to go into Best Buy and chase down an "associate" every time I want to know about licensing of a product. If the software company lost, and consumers won, how come consumers are running around looking for help?
Post the license stuff right there on the shelf with the software, or better yet, put it on the box in the first darn place. If its so complex that it won't fit with readable fonts, maybe its better to go buy something else.
Good grief, we aren't winning, we are getting punished for objecting....
A Bit Offtopic: But Slashdot provided much of the info required for designing and building the recording device and to my knowledge there is none like it elsewhere.
Great... now Alice is posting to Slashdot... Might as well make her an Editor... we'd see less dupes! :-p
Karma to burn...
/. likes to tell the RIAA/MPAA... go ahead... abuse your customers... see how long it lasts.
I've been on both sides of the coin. I ran a PC shop for a while... soldem... boughtem... builtem... the whole bit.
It all comes down to this (whether grocer, clothing, computer or other):
If the store has nothing to offer me for their higher price then why shouldn't I buy off the net instead of local. I buy local because I EXPECT them to take a reasonable return (resaleable condition) if I find for some reason that what I purchased doesn't fit my needs.
This expectation is in exchange for the 20-30% difference in price between local retail and what I can buy it for on the net.
Just like
If I can't return stuff (again, resaleable) then why should I buy local... I can get the same treatment off the net at a fraction of the price.
" John Ashcroft is fighting for greater privacy for email?"
Of course. If everyone realizes how insecure email really is then encryption will become more prevalent . More ecrypted traffic means a lower singal to noise ratio and much harder to find those conversations that the Feds want to snoop on.
Don't kid yourself. When the Federal Government wants to read your encrypted email they can. But finding what email is worth decrpyting is much harder when everyone is encrypting their email, but as it stands now so few do that an encrypted email is like a red flag saying "Hey! I am important enough to bother decrpyting!"
Here goes my Karma...
Before Slashdot goes off half cocked (what? to late?) realize that this is a plan... if...
That's what the US military does best... generate reems of useless paperwork full of plans so that if the need arises.
Would you have them ill prepared? You DO have a DR plan for those mission critical servers, right!?! Same thing... dig through the military archives of pointless studies and you will find alot of plans just in case something goes awry.
Now... IF the US starts shooting down satelites on a regular basis then feel free to Flame On!
My $.02 (not adjusted for inflation).
JKS
Am I the only one who thinks that the only adequate punishment that is gonna put a stop to the Diebold-esue shenanigans is to prosecute the company into the ground and then go after every VP/Salesman who lies about the severity of the problems and the coverup?
This Has Got To Stop!
(Yes... been sitting on the sidelines, but I am about fed up)
Go Getem Ahnold!
**snide intone**
Do you feel threatened by the competition?
And well you should...
Sure, go ahead... try to control VOIP...
It won't work...
**/snide intone**
**angry intone**
Your days are numbered and I for one am GLAD!
You ripped off the consumer for far to many years and now your whole industry is facing devastation at the hands of cell phone providers and OSS/paid VOIP providers.
Good riddance!
**/angry intone>**
Yours Truly,
An EX-customer
Transitive Software:
1. Vaporware
2. Miracle
4. Coyboy Neal
Personally, I vote it's just Coyboy Neal at it again.
These days it is difficult enough to get training (at least in the corp America I work in) let alone offsite. A whole week to do nothing but dig in and learn. Take it... then on your own you can always do self paced work and such... it's a win-win.
Good Luck!
An old adage that applies quite well even to the Internet age.
Gmail generates ad revenue, but abusing the account in this way both deprives Google of ad revenue as well and costs them network traffic and will likely increase their disk usage.
This is like that cool neighboor of yours that says you can borrow his tools and then you go over take everything you can find as well as set up a sign in your front lawn for others to join "the fun".
Goolgle won't leave this intact long and I don't blame them a bit.
Anyone torrent it?
The so called 'Court of Public Opinion' is a Court of Fools (tm) easily manipulated and controlled by those with the influence and inclination to do so.
Whether he has committed crimes will be judged in a court of Law where at least there is some semblance of justice... let the Fools(tm) have their opinions... I'll settle for broken justice!
While Mom and Pop (tm) may still use whatever is default for some time to come, just keep passing out CDs and downloading it for friends... it IS catching on.
I just burned a CD for a friend stuck on dialup. She is a school teacher in NYC and could care less about mozilla/ie/netscape/blah, BUT she has adware/spyware clogging her computer. So I burn a CD with adaware, spybot, AND Firefox along with a text file telling her how and what to do.
Voila... another Mozilla user!
Long Answer: Read Below
Those of us whom accountants might say have even somewhat complicated tax returns require a program to help categorize and summarize all of the various transactions. Now my Bank doesn't have enough information to do that... and they don't need it either (*dons tinfoil hat*)... and if they did I would find another bank (*removes tinfoil hat*).
I run Quicken all year long and when tax time comes around it's a matter of running the right reports and taking the results and putting them in the various schedules. Even the IRS is often satisfied with the reports generated by Quicken, though they may ask for actual receipts and such during the audit.
The point being that Quicken (sorry guys, tried moving over to OSS and wasn't satisfied with current state) gives me detailed Tax related categorization and summarization that my bank statement (online banking service) doesn't.
Get out in the the Real World (tm)(c) and realize that the problem is bigger that just "download Firefox and switch".
VNC is only unacceptably slow if it is not configured correctly. I regularly (read EVERYday) use VNC via ssh to connect to work and run my full Linux desktop as well as Windows under VMware (stupid corp policy w/ Outlook) and it is both fast and efficient.
In fact I can sit anywhere on the Coporate LAN (Fortune 500 Co) and efficiently work from my desk. I have sat at all flavors of Unix, windows, heck even a Mac to work and before long probably my Phone ;-).
My point is this: Don't discount an App (especially such a widely used app) just becuase you haven't figured out how to use it efficiently. (useability is a separate discussion.)
Though iTunes is the dominant factor in legal music downloads, the sharing aspect will always keep a bit of balance to the system.
That said, I am glad to see someone prove that this is a viable business as it lends credence to the statement "Give me a legal alternative" that many P2Pers have made.
My $.02 inflation adjusted... take it for what it's worth.
Due to lack of cash flow I had at one point 22 Drives attached to my poor Duron 700 for almost 200GB of disk space. There were 12 IDE (4 builin, 4 on each of 2 add in cards) the rest were scsi.
I set it up in a FreeBSD vinum raid5 array and although performance was abysmal I had reliability even though many of the scsi were salvaged 4.5 or 9gb disks!
Some would call me crazy (or worse), but I got by until better times and was able to purchase a decent drive to replace them.
While this may be true as has been proven in the OSS community already it is rare to get such singleminded cooperation. Not to say it won't happen, but more likely to see various "support the artist" distributions....
You know something like:
* Apt-Get Install $$$ into Artist Account
* Mandrake Beutified Payment Plan
Fragmentation is a characteristic (whether good or bad *you* be the judge) of the OSS community.
Is broadcasting music on the Mercora network legal? Yes. Mercora has obtained the necessary licenses so that you can broadcast music on the Mercora Network legally.
Specifically, Mercora enables the webcasting of music according to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 114 (required Adobe Acrobat to read). Mercora has obtained the statutory license for the non-interactive streaming of sound recordings from Sound Exchange, the organization designated by the U.S. Copyright Office to collect and distribute statutory royalties to sound recording copyright owners and featured and non featured artists. Mercora has also taken care of all U.S. musical composition performance royalties through its licenses with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. Most song writers are represented by these agencies but there are some who are not affiliated with them, and you will need to obtain their permission before you can webcast their music. Mercora also ensures that any broadcast using the Mercora client adheres to the sound recording performance complement as specified in the DMCA. Read more about broadcasting on the Mercora Network.
Seeing as the same advertisements are on the Slashdot banner I find it quite amusing that the poster came here to make his case....
Here's a no reg required copy of the AP article.
Rather, the intent is to minimize new bees joining the hive, while at the same time through intimidation reduce the members of the hive contributing productively.
In the end they hope the hive will starve off from lack of contributors (sharers).
I Pre-Apologize for the extended use of a bad analogy, but I just couldn't resist :-p