Great idea. Lets use a Phillips screwdriver for everything. Your attitude towards languages is astounding. Java is not a cure-all, and definately can't compare to the raw execution speed of, say, C. One size definately doesn't fit all.
I'm not a Microsoft Fanboy - I regularly use *all* the common desktop operating systems. This includes a Gentoo Linux system, an Ubuntu Linux System, OS X and yes, Windows. Each survives on my machines and gets used based on it's own merits. People like you are all the same, when you fail to make your point properly, you fall back to baseless personal attacks.
Microsoft isn't having a problem staying in the market, or haven't you heard?. This is not about their practices, or even about liking them - it's about you actually seeing things how they really are instead of coming up with your own ridiculous version.
Develop in Java on Linux, it's the best of all worlds. You can move your code anywhere you want, you don't have to spend a bazillion dollars on Microsoft licensing, and it's got a richer "ecosystem" than anything Microsoft has ever produced. Best of all, you never have to touch another Microsoft product again if you don't want to.
Not all of us want to develop in Java, or particularly even like the language. Also, I don't think doing *everything* in java is particularly smart. Your toolbox should be much broader than one language. It also doesn't address the legacy application issue. Or the cost of hiring/retraining existing staff. Think about it.
Microsoft is a beached killer whale, drying and dying, occasionally wheezing out a gasp at the seagulls who are coming to eat it, thinking "Not the EYES! Please, not the EYES!" Articles like this Hilf character's, and Ballmer's ludicrous IP FUD, are all just part of a long, drawn-out death rattle. It's quite entertaining, really.
It's comments like this that make it nearly impossible to take you seriously. Granted, there are elements of MS that are ridiculous, I'd agree. Ballmer is definately one of them - but he's a cog in a much larger machine. But therein lies the problem - you see every person at Microsoft as being some kind of carbon copy who's opinion is somehow always wrong and invalid. This is because your hate for the corporation blinds you to objectivity. Microsoft is hardly on it's death bed. This gets predicted every year, and every year they're still there. The only way you're going to kill the beast is to make the alternative so enticing that everyone wants to use it. Linux distros have not done this yet. Even Ubuntu, with all the social marketing, and the vast improvements to desktop Linux still has a long way to go.
Ok, to start off, I'm going to say I would like Linux to get further along. I'm by no means a MS apologist, nor do I completely agree with the article. However the parent poster has almost completely missed what is being said here.
* Linux doesn't exist because it's actually everywhere, distributed by gigantic companies which make zillions of dollars off it.
What he's trying to say is that the ideological idea that was "Linux" is being (has been?) lost as it's main supporters are no longer small hobbiests with a grand, altruistic dream. Don't believe me? Slashdot is part of the OSDN. Do you think it's funded by random acts of kindness? There is a reason they print the most controversial stories every week, and add their own spin - it's to get you to come back and put in your 2 cents so their ads make them money. This is not a bad thing though. It's what needs to happen. Commercialization means there's something in it for people (developers) other than the warm fuzzy feeling that they did something nice.
* The Open Source Movement doesn't exist because it's been adopted by companies both large and small, which are all merrily making a profit from it.
This falls in line with my first point. The major players are no longer people who do it just for the love of doing it (though I'm sure some love to do it too) - they're doing it because it pays the bills. The direction of the project is greatly influenced by the people with the money. When you involve large sums of cash, you have to ask yourself - are you in it for the project, or the money? IMO, this makes little difference since monetary incentive helps to speed up and improve development. That's good for us (the consumers) all. It took distros like Ubuntu to realize that Linux wasn't going to make it to the desktop by accident. It's going to require money - lots of it.
* Because Open Source is mostly commercial and very successful, making lots of money for the large and small companies that are involved in it, the only way to "grow the ecosystem" is to switch to the Microsoft products nobody wants to buy anymore.
He didn't say that at all - that would be you putting words in his mouth. When he says "growth of the ecosystem" he means he wants to make sure developers who currently develop under Linux have what they need to make their software work under windows. What developer wouldn't want their work to run on as many platforms as possible? Granted he wants to 'grow the ecosystem' so that Windows doesn't lose out on these projects and have people decide that Windows doesn't meet their needs.
* Linux is only popular because it's the foundation for the LAMP web-development stack, which has been trouncing.Net in the market (this makes me wonder if Hilf, back in high school, used to grumble that "the only reason Randy the Quarterback gets laid is because he has a Mustang...").
Again, you're missing the point. Those are things which gave great popularity to the platform, and rightfully so. They worked better, and more efficiently than their windows counterparts. They were free, giving a (subjectively) low cost barrier for entry. Linux on it's own is just a kernel. An enabler, if you will. It took useful applications to make Linux worth something The parent's spin on the comment is completely asinine.
* Because Open Source Software runs on Windows too, all those Apache guys are probably running Windows.
Lots and lots of servers run windows - for better or worse - something I'm sure people here are loathe to admit. It's not that he's saying people are going to all out dump their Linux platforms. He's trying to say he wants to make sure that these people who are developing web-based products are able to continue to develop for the Windows OS as well. This is not an unreasonable thing. People who build these kinds of products generally want them to run on as many platforms as possible. Understand that switching platforms is not as simple as making the choice - po
The top speed currently available through FiOS is 50 megabits per second, but the network already is capable of providing 100 mbps, and the fiber lines offer nearly unlimited potential*.
*Unlimited refers to how long they can remain connected to the internet. Standrad fixed data rates to be determined and held top secret by our staff apply
apologies, I just started up the upgrade again. Hours is inacurate. Many hours (closer to an entire day) would fit the bill. average file comes down at less than 3k/s.
and then hope it doesn't break, lock up your system or outright die because all the mirrors are overloaded. Even on the fastest DSL right now, an upgrade is probably going to take hours.
It might be a really good idea to wait a few days before trying this.
Or you could vote Republican, get pushed in to a prolonged and pointless war, and really be a sheep getting slaughtered. Not a lot of good choices, hmm?
People cried doom and destruction when windows 98 was on it's way out, and then again when windows 2000 was pushed away, and now we're seeing it again. The end result, I predict, is that the world will continue to turn, people will still have babies, buy gas guzzling SUVs and pay their rising taxes.
I love how the author of this post goes after powerpoint like it's the root of all evil, but leaves software like Apple's Keynote and OpenOffice Impress out of it. Instead, we demonize one thing, and then say "and other products" instead of naming some of them as well.
They would not have to do any post-sales linux support.
Are you on crack? Give a user a root password, or access to sudo and they will find a way to break their system and generate linux 'post-sales' support. If you think Linux is some kind of end-user problem cureall, you're sadly mistaken. It doesn't matter what you put on the computer, there will _always_ be a need for post-sales support.
How about we let people make up their own minds without you trying to make up their minds for them? A 4-digit slashdot ID doesn't give you the right to tell people how to think. It's not like most of us know what the man went through there. Any one of us might come out sounding the same if we had been in his shoes. You're probably right about PHP not being the relevant issue here, but it damn well should be.
you buy it like anything else. Why shouldn't you have recourse if you buy something worthless?
That is not true. In 99.9% of cases you do not buy software, you buy a license to use the software. There is a world of difference there.
Buying something means you own it, and can do whatever you'd like with it after within the limits of the law. A license places restrictions on what you're even allowed to do with something. You do not own the software, you are just given permission to use it within the guidelines specified.
BTW, the 30-digit password locking the files is mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vmw
mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vm does not contain 30 digits. Characters perhaps, digits, no. It astounds me that such mistakes can actually make it on the front page of Slashdot.
Why don't they just call it "tom's adware" now? The site is so overrun with ads and disinteresting crap now that it's difficult to know where site content and navigation start, and everything else ends. Too bad, I remember when it was actually good/useful.
What was funny about it? Nothing. Other people didn't think it was funny either - just look at how it was moderated. What it attempted to be, was a trolling.
Stop trying to stop Linux you Microsoft plant, nice try tho.
Way to add the Microsoft line in there fud-master duncan3.
I mean, there is no connection. It astounds me that people like you insist in reading it in there when there is absolutely no evidence of it. Ever stop to think that not all problems are generated by Microsoft? If you think they are, perhaps it's time for you to detach from the keyboard and re-examine the real world.
Trust me, there is a strong demand for this stuff (it is in use already), and advertisers don't care how much it annoys you. In fact, it's been shown in our in-house studies that really annoying ads work better than ones that are not. This means, the more movement it has, and the more noise it makes, the more effective the ad will probably be. The solution? Convince everyone not to click on them. That would make them go away faster than anything.
The fact of the matter really is that people click on this stuff. More than you probably realize.
Nintendo? Innovative? All they do is pump out the same crap year after year following the same themes. This may change with the revolution, but I don't think so. Look at the DS - half the titles are re-released N64 games.
Nintendo innovates in it's games about as much as anyone else. Which is to say, hardly at all.
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Great idea. Lets use a Phillips screwdriver for everything. Your attitude towards languages is astounding. Java is not a cure-all, and definately can't compare to the raw execution speed of, say, C. One size definately doesn't fit all.
I'm not a Microsoft Fanboy - I regularly use *all* the common desktop operating systems. This includes a Gentoo Linux system, an Ubuntu Linux System, OS X and yes, Windows. Each survives on my machines and gets used based on it's own merits. People like you are all the same, when you fail to make your point properly, you fall back to baseless personal attacks.
Microsoft isn't having a problem staying in the market, or haven't you heard?. This is not about their practices, or even about liking them - it's about you actually seeing things how they really are instead of coming up with your own ridiculous version.
Develop in Java on Linux, it's the best of all worlds. You can move your code anywhere you want, you don't have to spend a bazillion dollars on Microsoft licensing, and it's got a richer "ecosystem" than anything Microsoft has ever produced. Best of all, you never have to touch another Microsoft product again if you don't want to.
Not all of us want to develop in Java, or particularly even like the language. Also, I don't think doing *everything* in java is particularly smart. Your toolbox should be much broader than one language. It also doesn't address the legacy application issue. Or the cost of hiring/retraining existing staff. Think about it.
Microsoft is a beached killer whale, drying and dying, occasionally wheezing out a gasp at the seagulls who are coming to eat it, thinking "Not the EYES! Please, not the EYES!" Articles like this Hilf character's, and Ballmer's ludicrous IP FUD, are all just part of a long, drawn-out death rattle. It's quite entertaining, really.
It's comments like this that make it nearly impossible to take you seriously. Granted, there are elements of MS that are ridiculous, I'd agree. Ballmer is definately one of them - but he's a cog in a much larger machine. But therein lies the problem - you see every person at Microsoft as being some kind of carbon copy who's opinion is somehow always wrong and invalid. This is because your hate for the corporation blinds you to objectivity. Microsoft is hardly on it's death bed. This gets predicted every year, and every year they're still there. The only way you're going to kill the beast is to make the alternative so enticing that everyone wants to use it. Linux distros have not done this yet. Even Ubuntu, with all the social marketing, and the vast improvements to desktop Linux still has a long way to go.
Don't mistake contempt for anger, by the way.
I didn't.
Ok, to start off, I'm going to say I would like Linux to get further along. I'm by no means a MS apologist, nor do I completely agree with the article. However the parent poster has almost completely missed what is being said here.
.Net in the market (this makes me wonder if Hilf, back in high school, used to grumble that "the only reason Randy the Quarterback gets laid is because he has a Mustang...").
* Linux doesn't exist because it's actually everywhere, distributed by gigantic companies which make zillions of dollars off it.
What he's trying to say is that the ideological idea that was "Linux" is being (has been?) lost as it's main supporters are no longer small hobbiests with a grand, altruistic dream. Don't believe me? Slashdot is part of the OSDN. Do you think it's funded by random acts of kindness? There is a reason they print the most controversial stories every week, and add their own spin - it's to get you to come back and put in your 2 cents so their ads make them money. This is not a bad thing though. It's what needs to happen. Commercialization means there's something in it for people (developers) other than the warm fuzzy feeling that they did something nice.
* The Open Source Movement doesn't exist because it's been adopted by companies both large and small, which are all merrily making a profit from it.
This falls in line with my first point. The major players are no longer people who do it just for the love of doing it (though I'm sure some love to do it too) - they're doing it because it pays the bills. The direction of the project is greatly influenced by the people with the money. When you involve large sums of cash, you have to ask yourself - are you in it for the project, or the money? IMO, this makes little difference since monetary incentive helps to speed up and improve development. That's good for us (the consumers) all. It took distros like Ubuntu to realize that Linux wasn't going to make it to the desktop by accident. It's going to require money - lots of it.
* Because Open Source is mostly commercial and very successful, making lots of money for the large and small companies that are involved in it, the only way to "grow the ecosystem" is to switch to the Microsoft products nobody wants to buy anymore.
He didn't say that at all - that would be you putting words in his mouth. When he says "growth of the ecosystem" he means he wants to make sure developers who currently develop under Linux have what they need to make their software work under windows. What developer wouldn't want their work to run on as many platforms as possible? Granted he wants to 'grow the ecosystem' so that Windows doesn't lose out on these projects and have people decide that Windows doesn't meet their needs.
* Linux is only popular because it's the foundation for the LAMP web-development stack, which has been trouncing
Again, you're missing the point. Those are things which gave great popularity to the platform, and rightfully so. They worked better, and more efficiently than their windows counterparts. They were free, giving a (subjectively) low cost barrier for entry. Linux on it's own is just a kernel. An enabler, if you will. It took useful applications to make Linux worth something The parent's spin on the comment is completely asinine.
* Because Open Source Software runs on Windows too, all those Apache guys are probably running Windows.
Lots and lots of servers run windows - for better or worse - something I'm sure people here are loathe to admit. It's not that he's saying people are going to all out dump their Linux platforms. He's trying to say he wants to make sure that these people who are developing web-based products are able to continue to develop for the Windows OS as well. This is not an unreasonable thing. People who build these kinds of products generally want them to run on as many platforms as possible. Understand that switching platforms is not as simple as making the choice - po
The top speed currently available through FiOS is 50 megabits per second, but the network already is capable of providing 100 mbps, and the fiber lines offer nearly unlimited potential*.
*Unlimited refers to how long they can remain connected to the internet. Standrad fixed data rates to be determined and held top secret by our staff apply
apologies, I just started up the upgrade again. Hours is inacurate. Many hours (closer to an entire day) would fit the bill. average file comes down at less than 3k/s.
and then hope it doesn't break, lock up your system or outright die because all the mirrors are overloaded. Even on the fastest DSL right now, an upgrade is probably going to take hours. It might be a really good idea to wait a few days before trying this.
Or you could vote Republican, get pushed in to a prolonged and pointless war, and really be a sheep getting slaughtered. Not a lot of good choices, hmm?
People cried doom and destruction when windows 98 was on it's way out, and then again when windows 2000 was pushed away, and now we're seeing it again. The end result, I predict, is that the world will continue to turn, people will still have babies, buy gas guzzling SUVs and pay their rising taxes.
This is not the end of the world.
thank you, mr. stalin. we'll gas them as soon as we round them up!
Then why were they not named? This post was *specifically crafted* to make Powerpoint look bad. It's all in the wording.
I love how the author of this post goes after powerpoint like it's the root of all evil, but leaves software like Apple's Keynote and OpenOffice Impress out of it. Instead, we demonize one thing, and then say "and other products" instead of naming some of them as well.
This needs a new category - TacoFud.
They would not have to do any post-sales linux support.
Are you on crack? Give a user a root password, or access to sudo and they will find a way to break their system and generate linux 'post-sales' support. If you think Linux is some kind of end-user problem cureall, you're sadly mistaken. It doesn't matter what you put on the computer, there will _always_ be a need for post-sales support.
If you were playing commander keen, and you're calling yourself a geek, we'd have to ask you to turn in your badge and gun before leaving.
How about we let people make up their own minds without you trying to make up their minds for them? A 4-digit slashdot ID doesn't give you the right to tell people how to think. It's not like most of us know what the man went through there. Any one of us might come out sounding the same if we had been in his shoes. You're probably right about PHP not being the relevant issue here, but it damn well should be.
Except it's a string, not an integer or float. This much is made aparent by the article.
you buy it like anything else. Why shouldn't you have recourse if you buy something worthless?
That is not true. In 99.9% of cases you do not buy software, you buy a license to use the software. There is a world of difference there.
Buying something means you own it, and can do whatever you'd like with it after within the limits of the law. A license places restrictions on what you're even allowed to do with something. You do not own the software, you are just given permission to use it within the guidelines specified.
And slashdot is releasing preemtive FUD against Microsoft. There's a big surprise.
BTW, the 30-digit password locking the files is mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vmw
mf2lro8sw03ufvnsq034jfowr18f3cszc20vm does not contain 30 digits. Characters perhaps, digits, no. It astounds me that such mistakes can actually make it on the front page of Slashdot.
Why don't they just call it "tom's adware" now? The site is so overrun with ads and disinteresting crap now that it's difficult to know where site content and navigation start, and everything else ends. Too bad, I remember when it was actually good/useful.
You got it all right in that quote too. You made sure the Apple people were playing the part of the villians who eventually lose horribly. :)
What was funny about it? Nothing. Other people didn't think it was funny either - just look at how it was moderated. What it attempted to be, was a trolling.
Way to add the Microsoft line in there fud-master duncan3.
I mean, there is no connection. It astounds me that people like you insist in reading it in there when there is absolutely no evidence of it. Ever stop to think that not all problems are generated by Microsoft? If you think they are, perhaps it's time for you to detach from the keyboard and re-examine the real world.
Our revenue statements would suggest otherwise.
Never worked in internet advertising before?
Trust me, there is a strong demand for this stuff (it is in use already), and advertisers don't care how much it annoys you. In fact, it's been shown in our in-house studies that really annoying ads work better than ones that are not. This means, the more movement it has, and the more noise it makes, the more effective the ad will probably be. The solution? Convince everyone not to click on them. That would make them go away faster than anything.
The fact of the matter really is that people click on this stuff. More than you probably realize.
Nintendo? Innovative? All they do is pump out the same crap year after year following the same themes. This may change with the revolution, but I don't think so. Look at the DS - half the titles are re-released N64 games. Nintendo innovates in it's games about as much as anyone else. Which is to say, hardly at all.