Well to be fair, in post WW1 it was all about economics jobs (particularly German reparations). Both played a bit of blame game as to why their economy was in the toilet. Both increased nationalistic rhetoric and used external targets for fear mongering justifying military and police state build up. Eventually in both you could end up in jail without a trail or a jumped up one, or even killed or tortured if you didn't totally comply with doctrine. Both printed money like it was going out of style having no basis on reality, giving it to military contractors to keep people employed, then when everything is about to collapse and you happen to own a huge state of the art army that is "paid for" what do you do? Grab some resources to try to inject more life into your death-spiral of a fake economy?
Any of this sound familiar?
Their big problem was it got other big powers involved rather than just stomping on some brown 3rd world people with no way to conventionally fight back... Surely that would have no lasting repercussions....
Depending on when you experience hair loss, it can have larger impact. Most of the women that like the Jean Luc Picard look are looking at a man already in his 50's. That is great they think a bald man in his 50's is attractive.
When you loose your hair in your 20's, when as it happens most people meet their significant other and get married, and you look 10 years older than you are, well sucks, but nothing you can do about it.
Some student doing their university work asks a prof why there is a bunch of data missing for a bunch of consecutive years...
We have 100 years worth of data, but for much of a decade a political leader of little importance tried to suppress much of the scientific research of the day as it did not support his political ideology.
which isn't much better than:
It was caused by a political party who refused to fund government by throwing a hissy fit over a political issue of the day. "What was the issue?" Affordable Healthcare. "Oh they wanted it?" No, no they did not.
The Conservatives up here in Canada actually ran part of their campaign on Senate reform to the point of abolishing it. Once elected they appointed more Senators than any other previous Canadian government. They have also spent more and put us further in debt than any other, all under the auspices of supporting wars and stimulus packages (which are basically buying votes with an excuse in certain regions).
None of that bothers me. What bothers me, is the people that vote for them parroting the same not actually factual things we are just talking about. They just buy into it because they want to for one reason or another. I know smart people who suddenly become morons when it comes to politics, sometimes I just don't get it.
However from personal experience I had to have a tooth extracted due to absorption/resorption (Basically your body for some reason decides it is a foreign object, attacks it, and it starts dissolving inside/outside).
Options: A) Dentures before 30 (I was 28 believe) for 800$ B) Bridge that would wreak two perfectly good neighboring teeth 2300$ C) Dental Implant which was +5000$
The extraction was 600$ I think (and that was with a local, and were I ever to do it again, I would gladly pay the 300$ extra for a general, it was horrible).
I did option C, because it was the only one that makes any sense whatsoever. I have a dental plan through work that covered 1400$.
I was out about 4000$ out of pocket. That's not teeth a little straighter. (Yes I had braces to the tune of 10,000, for 7 years when I was young).
I play hockey (full cage, not cool I know, but see above), and I have tons of friends that lost teeth to sticks, pucks, etc... type accidents. None covered, all out of pocket, with whatever insurance they had.
Even had I taken A) the cheapest, I would still have to pay. My insurance through work would have covered that entirely... but still.
And glasses, well I am pretty blind. -12 basically. That's 500$ lenses before you even talk about frames. Try finding frames for less than 200$. Online, etc... many won't give you prescription, etc...
Anyway looking at both industries in Canada, they are both basically closed cartels, supported by insurance. Which is basically the whole system is in the US, so I can see why it is so broken, and why they need to get away from that. Pardon the pun, but the insurance and the various interested medical groups and associations will bleed you dry.
There was an interesting legal case in Canada where one optometrist tried get around the BS to provide affordable glasses (online i believe), the association basically had him thrown in jail where I believe he is today.
True, but that will not effect the length of support at all. Just means consumers will have less choice. If MS keeps making poor decisions they will only open up the market for others to take more market share from them.
Case in point: RIM
Once significantly dominant in consumer market, lost consumer market due to lack of innovation, will eventually lose enterprise market if not careful.
Windows 7 support will be around a very long time.
A) No corporate or government enterprise shops will be moving to 8 or even 8.1 as they all moved to 7 (or in the process of). B) It will be a huge install base that will likely pressure MS to extend whatever support deadline they decide to have. C) IT shops are not going to want to run multiple version of Windows, so new Windows 7 systems will still have to keep being deployed.
I just built a personal Windows 7 system last month, and it was not a decision I worried much about.
Presuming it doesn't get extended several times like XP did.
I can tell you with certainty than enterprise business faced with looming XP support fail all upgraded to or are in the process of upgrading to Windows 7. No large corporate entity or government is going to use Windows 8 or even 8.1. With such a huge install base of Windows 7, support will be for a very long time, and there will be pressure on MS to extend even that.
I built a new computer last month, and intentionally put Windows 7 on it. A decision I am very comfortable with.
Unfortunately individual consumers have little choice however. Bought a laptop for Dad this summer. Choice was basically Windows 8 or buy an Apple. If I were a betting man I would say the only winner will be Apple. If they loosened up a bit on their elitist branding strategy they could really grab some market share. Right now if you are an individual consumer buying a sub-1000$ laptop from either a box store, or a manufacture, there is no competition, you are getting Windows 8 if you want it or not.
You realize that there is a difference between the political and the bureaucratic arms of the government right?
From what I understand, those 800K had no choice in the matter, were not on vacation nor got paid (that was why they shut down as it was unfunded), and would have much rather have been at work.
This was a political decision made by your political government. It really had nothing to do with your normal government worker.
Couldn't agree more on the whole Wars thing, but again political decisions. The domestic spying on the other hand, well that is probably bureaucratic supported politically, however they would probably argue that it is a cost savings. They would be basically downloading the cost of spying on the corporations that host services (google, apple, etc...) and the people who pay them rather than having some huge internal spying infrastructure to do so.
Considering you are arguing that Obamacare is less propaganda than the Affordable Care Act. I would bet a random poll would show that more people in the US know what Obamacare is as opposed to the ACA. Heck I have seen it used so many times on TV that I barely knew what the hell the ACA was the same thing... The quote rightly or wrongly attributed to Gobbles regarding propaganda was that one of the most essential rules being to repeat, repeat, repeat (and Goodwin already).
Pretty much any law in any county proposed by any political group is going to be carefully named.
Not sure what you are arguing, that the intention of the Act is not honest, or what you think the net effect will be of the law not being "Affordable"? It could be debated who the target is, Affordable to the people, or to the government, or to society as a whole I suppose.
Knowing you have such things in the recent past as the "Patriot Act", it is hard to fathom being too critical of the naming of the ACA,
But hell even Canada has had some fun ones in recent history. I forget at present the two I was thinking of, but one I think was the one proposed countless times (and I think eventually passed) to "reform" copyright and IP to conform to US law and US corporate interests. There was also the one about internet spying that as I recall was named something about protecting children. Hell if they could get away with it every party would call their proposed laws "Kitten and Puppies Protection and the Think of the Children Act".
Many claim that government wants a dumb population that is easily controlled. Things that point to this is how people vote depending on their situation and what they are willing to accept as fact.
The truth is, corporations have owned government for some time now, and it is in their best interest (or the elite that own the corporations), to have a dumb population, that are willing to accept certain things as fact, usually despite their situation. This allows them to sponsor and get elected people who are malleable their cause, which can be summarized as: Keep as much wealth as possible or become even more wealthy. It also allows them to control political situations events by building a base to which a politician will need.
Many networks/publications are already nothing more than simple propaganda machines trying to spit our their masters will onto the populace as fast as they can vomit it out. It is all a bunch of billionaires looking after their own interests, and liberal or conservative, they both share one thing in common and that is they are massively wealthy and want to stay that way, and want more. This is just another tool in the tool box to that end.
I had unfettered access to a computer, but there was for all intents and purposes no internet when I was a kid.
I had access to many BBS, but they worst thing I was probably subjected to was a naked photo of Troi from STTNG (which took forever to download on 2400). Which is why I found the Simpsons reference to comicbookguy and Janeway so funny.
As an adult I have see things on the internet in which I wish I could unsee. There is a whole generation coming to adulthood that is going to be very different from those before it. There is a fine line between sheltering and protecting. I don't think it is in doubt that eventually they are going to see everything it is they want (or not) to see on the internet. Trying to delay that point a bit until they are mature enough to not be overly damaged by it is probably not a bad idea.
That said kids have had access to porn at a young age in my generation and before, if not quite as easily and in magazine form (or quite that early).
I have a couple that seem to revel in the exclusive use of composite keys coupled with massive redundancy, random normalization and zero documentation.
Why do I have so many duplicates? Ohhhh, it was designed that way. Awesome. Which of these things is not like the other...
Granted, the legacy system is decades old, and has gone through development after development sans documentation. I am left thinking half the DB design was simply to conform easier to whatever half brained fix they managed to come up with on the application side.
"bottom line is get something done that sorta-kinda works as fast/cheap as possible"
This. one of the "applications" I "maintain" (yes I am using "air quotes" as sarcasm) was designed using this adage. I told them it was a bad idea, that what they were doing was wrong. Did it anyway. Launched, managers all patted each other on the back, moved on (as did the developer).
Now users are stuck with software which has been down as much as up and pretty much breaks in inexplicable ways if you look at it the wrong way.
As the basics go, Fast/Cheap/Quality: Pick two. If you're a manager with a half-life of a year, you get the kudos, someone else gets the problems. Cheap and Fast it is...
So I am going to get a lot of flame for my subject, but lets put things into perspective here.
Lots of blame to go around. Not to generalize either, but it makes me wonder if there wasn't other things going on as well. I mean I hate to say this but this likely happens all the time (girls being stupid bitches) but not everyone decides to kill themselves. Hell there are even a bunch of movies out there like "Mean Girls" etc... which basically are exactly that.
It seems a lot of things fall under "Bullying", many of which I would not classify as such. The two cases I know in Canada which had similar results I would call more a "crime" than "bullying". I think some of this is the police's unwillingness to go after kids or parents due to kids behavior. In one there was alleged rape and the other kiddie porn extortion. Police were called in both instances and the results were nothing. Parents did what they could, removal from school, mental care, however ultimately I think it was the hopelessness of the situation than was the cause of the eventual unfortunate result. They had already gone to the authorities, they had already tried escape/relocation. What was left? Isn't there a law for harassment? Pretty sure there is. The parents might think twice about continuing to allow their daughter the use of a cell phone when they are charged with a criminal offence because of it. I bet cell phone privileges would go real quick, and if she found another way, the rest of any privilege would follow.
I am a bit inclined to believe some of the more right wing crazies on here promoting violence in return, abit as a last resort. You have exhausted your legal alternatives, but you are somewhat justified in yourself protection (say with a measured response). Likely face repercussions, however perhaps tempered once the details come out. The axiom I like to use, is be nice to people, you don't know how everyone will react. Pull that stuff with the wrong person and you may regret it.
Anyway from the details that were given, simply name calling and harassment on its own I would hope would not cause such an end. I know I had a bully (bullies actually), problem when I was a kid. As mentioned by several, girls tend to be verbal while guys physical. As a guy I got in a fight pretty much every single day for several years. Dad's advice was to punch them in the nose if they refused to leave you alone. Other sage advice from an upper class man was to more less suck it up, after finding me despondent on the ground after a beating. While both sound at face value rather harsh, the advice isn't all that wrong. Bullies are cowards, like groups, and tend not to enjoy half as much what they dish out. They also feed on your misery and submission, so don't give them any. Eventually they will tire of it, find someone easier, or grow out of it hopefully. Mine did.
Not to condone violence, and my experience is different of course, however as mentioned sometimes your eventual consequences may be tempered. I put one of my larger attackers in the hospital once, and he was out of school for several days. I didn't get suspended or expelled, but got a stern talking to by a teacher. They knew it was going on, did not or could not do anything, so were a bit understanding of the eventual results I think. Also bullies (physical anyway) tend to want an unfair fight, either buy picking someone much smaller, or by using groups, so if you are forced to defend yourself, don't think you are somehow obligated to fight "fair" yourself.
Anyway what a terrible situation. On one hand it makes me wonder how horrible the one girls parents are, then again it also makes me glad I don't have any children either. I feel for the other parents. It sounds like they tried to do all the right things. I know as a kid I didn't have to deal with cell phone videos, or Facebook, or internet etc... Hell I was out of university when it came out, know I wished I had it while I was in to keep in touch with friends. Though as I recall at the time, there used to be an a
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Ok, this is just begging for the Hitler ranting video meme for Obamacare... :)
Somehow I have to think there was a little more "pressure" from the Nazi's to not fail.
To quote DarthVader "You have failed me for the last time" *force choke*
That also needs to be made into a new internet meme... Perhaps after it fails the end of November...
Well to be fair, in post WW1 it was all about economics jobs (particularly German reparations). Both played a bit of blame game as to why their economy was in the toilet. Both increased nationalistic rhetoric and used external targets for fear mongering justifying military and police state build up. Eventually in both you could end up in jail without a trail or a jumped up one, or even killed or tortured if you didn't totally comply with doctrine. Both printed money like it was going out of style having no basis on reality, giving it to military contractors to keep people employed, then when everything is about to collapse and you happen to own a huge state of the art army that is "paid for" what do you do? Grab some resources to try to inject more life into your death-spiral of a fake economy?
Any of this sound familiar?
Their big problem was it got other big powers involved rather than just stomping on some brown 3rd world people with no way to conventionally fight back... Surely that would have no lasting repercussions....
I said Kaplah Sir!
But only if they have a Sub Zero!
Besides I think the US could use some bread and circuses about now.
"There is nothing that can happen that they can nap through."
I just had an image of an officer *snort* walking up looking around and saying, "shit I missed it".
Never a good idea over the long term
I agree with all, and would add:
Depending on when you experience hair loss, it can have larger impact. Most of the women that like the Jean Luc Picard look are looking at a man already in his 50's. That is great they think a bald man in his 50's is attractive.
When you loose your hair in your 20's, when as it happens most people meet their significant other and get married, and you look 10 years older than you are, well sucks, but nothing you can do about it.
I used to have dealings with a corporation and a woman who's title was "DBA". She "administered" a small MS Access database.
This is one of the problems with surveys and statistics.
Some student doing their university work asks a prof why there is a bunch of data missing for a bunch of consecutive years...
We have 100 years worth of data, but for much of a decade a political leader of little importance tried to suppress much of the scientific research of the day as it did not support his political ideology.
which isn't much better than:
It was caused by a political party who refused to fund government by throwing a hissy fit over a political issue of the day. "What was the issue?" Affordable Healthcare. "Oh they wanted it?" No, no they did not.
The Conservatives up here in Canada actually ran part of their campaign on Senate reform to the point of abolishing it. Once elected they appointed more Senators than any other previous Canadian government. They have also spent more and put us further in debt than any other, all under the auspices of supporting wars and stimulus packages (which are basically buying votes with an excuse in certain regions).
None of that bothers me. What bothers me, is the people that vote for them parroting the same not actually factual things we are just talking about. They just buy into it because they want to for one reason or another. I know smart people who suddenly become morons when it comes to politics, sometimes I just don't get it.
I don't know about accidents.
However from personal experience I had to have a tooth extracted due to absorption/resorption (Basically your body for some reason decides it is a foreign object, attacks it, and it starts dissolving inside/outside).
Options:
A) Dentures before 30 (I was 28 believe) for 800$
B) Bridge that would wreak two perfectly good neighboring teeth 2300$
C) Dental Implant which was +5000$
The extraction was 600$ I think (and that was with a local, and were I ever to do it again, I would gladly pay the 300$ extra for a general, it was horrible).
I did option C, because it was the only one that makes any sense whatsoever. I have a dental plan through work that covered 1400$.
I was out about 4000$ out of pocket. That's not teeth a little straighter. (Yes I had braces to the tune of 10,000, for 7 years when I was young).
I play hockey (full cage, not cool I know, but see above), and I have tons of friends that lost teeth to sticks, pucks, etc... type accidents.
None covered, all out of pocket, with whatever insurance they had.
Even had I taken A) the cheapest, I would still have to pay. My insurance through work would have covered that entirely... but still.
And glasses, well I am pretty blind. -12 basically. That's 500$ lenses before you even talk about frames. Try finding frames for less than 200$. Online, etc... many won't give you prescription, etc...
Anyway looking at both industries in Canada, they are both basically closed cartels, supported by insurance. Which is basically the whole system is in the US, so I can see why it is so broken, and why they need to get away from that. Pardon the pun, but the insurance and the various interested medical groups and associations will bleed you dry.
There was an interesting legal case in Canada where one optometrist tried get around the BS to provide affordable glasses (online i believe), the association basically had him thrown in jail where I believe he is today.
True, but that will not effect the length of support at all. Just means consumers will have less choice. If MS keeps making poor decisions they will only open up the market for others to take more market share from them.
Case in point: RIM
Once significantly dominant in consumer market, lost consumer market due to lack of innovation, will eventually lose enterprise market if not careful.
Windows 7 support will be around a very long time.
A) No corporate or government enterprise shops will be moving to 8 or even 8.1 as they all moved to 7 (or in the process of).
B) It will be a huge install base that will likely pressure MS to extend whatever support deadline they decide to have.
C) IT shops are not going to want to run multiple version of Windows, so new Windows 7 systems will still have to keep being deployed.
I just built a personal Windows 7 system last month, and it was not a decision I worried much about.
Presuming it doesn't get extended several times like XP did.
I can tell you with certainty than enterprise business faced with looming XP support fail all upgraded to or are in the process of upgrading to Windows 7.
No large corporate entity or government is going to use Windows 8 or even 8.1.
With such a huge install base of Windows 7, support will be for a very long time, and there will be pressure on MS to extend even that.
I built a new computer last month, and intentionally put Windows 7 on it. A decision I am very comfortable with.
Unfortunately individual consumers have little choice however. Bought a laptop for Dad this summer. Choice was basically Windows 8 or buy an Apple. If I were a betting man I would say the only winner will be Apple. If they loosened up a bit on their elitist branding strategy they could really grab some market share. Right now if you are an individual consumer buying a sub-1000$ laptop from either a box store, or a manufacture, there is no competition, you are getting Windows 8 if you want it or not.
Which is really the messed up thing about politics.
Liberals are thought of as big government and increased spending while Conservatives are thought of as small government and less spending.
However look at historical budgets, the reverse is true.
What is even weirder is that it is true in Canada as well. Though I attribute much of that to be a policy of "do whatever the US does"...
Canadians; we have free healthcare but not everything is covered.
Basically Teeth and Eyeballs you still have to cover yourself.
Which I always found weird, if I punch you in the chops and break my hand it is covered, but your teeth are not...
The REAL reason for mouth guards and visors in the NHL... :)
You realize that there is a difference between the political and the bureaucratic arms of the government right?
From what I understand, those 800K had no choice in the matter, were not on vacation nor got paid (that was why they shut down as it was unfunded), and would have much rather have been at work.
This was a political decision made by your political government. It really had nothing to do with your normal government worker.
Couldn't agree more on the whole Wars thing, but again political decisions. The domestic spying on the other hand, well that is probably bureaucratic supported politically, however they would probably argue that it is a cost savings. They would be basically downloading the cost of spying on the corporations that host services (google, apple, etc...) and the people who pay them rather than having some huge internal spying infrastructure to do so.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
Considering you are arguing that Obamacare is less propaganda than the Affordable Care Act. I would bet a random poll would show that more people in the US know what Obamacare is as opposed to the ACA. Heck I have seen it used so many times on TV that I barely knew what the hell the ACA was the same thing... The quote rightly or wrongly attributed to Gobbles regarding propaganda was that one of the most essential rules being to repeat, repeat, repeat (and Goodwin already).
Pretty much any law in any county proposed by any political group is going to be carefully named.
Not sure what you are arguing, that the intention of the Act is not honest, or what you think the net effect will be of the law not being "Affordable"? It could be debated who the target is, Affordable to the people, or to the government, or to society as a whole I suppose.
Knowing you have such things in the recent past as the "Patriot Act", it is hard to fathom being too critical of the naming of the ACA,
But hell even Canada has had some fun ones in recent history. I forget at present the two I was thinking of, but one I think was the one proposed countless times (and I think eventually passed) to "reform" copyright and IP to conform to US law and US corporate interests. There was also the one about internet spying that as I recall was named something about protecting children. Hell if they could get away with it every party would call their proposed laws "Kitten and Puppies Protection and the Think of the Children Act".
Many claim that government wants a dumb population that is easily controlled. Things that point to this is how people vote depending on their situation and what they are willing to accept as fact.
The truth is, corporations have owned government for some time now, and it is in their best interest (or the elite that own the corporations), to have a dumb population, that are willing to accept certain things as fact, usually despite their situation. This allows them to sponsor and get elected people who are malleable their cause, which can be summarized as: Keep as much wealth as possible or become even more wealthy. It also allows them to control political situations events by building a base to which a politician will need.
Many networks/publications are already nothing more than simple propaganda machines trying to spit our their masters will onto the populace as fast as they can vomit it out. It is all a bunch of billionaires looking after their own interests, and liberal or conservative, they both share one thing in common and that is they are massively wealthy and want to stay that way, and want more. This is just another tool in the tool box to that end.
I had unfettered access to a computer, but there was for all intents and purposes no internet when I was a kid.
I had access to many BBS, but they worst thing I was probably subjected to was a naked photo of Troi from STTNG (which took forever to download on 2400). Which is why I found the Simpsons reference to comicbookguy and Janeway so funny.
As an adult I have see things on the internet in which I wish I could unsee. There is a whole generation coming to adulthood that is going to be very different from those before it. There is a fine line between sheltering and protecting. I don't think it is in doubt that eventually they are going to see everything it is they want (or not) to see on the internet. Trying to delay that point a bit until they are mature enough to not be overly damaged by it is probably not a bad idea.
That said kids have had access to porn at a young age in my generation and before, if not quite as easily and in magazine form (or quite that early).
I have a couple that seem to revel in the exclusive use of composite keys coupled with massive redundancy, random normalization and zero documentation.
Why do I have so many duplicates? Ohhhh, it was designed that way. Awesome. Which of these things is not like the other...
Granted, the legacy system is decades old, and has gone through development after development sans documentation. I am left thinking half the DB design was simply to conform easier to whatever half brained fix they managed to come up with on the application side.
"bottom line is get something done that sorta-kinda works as fast/cheap as possible"
This. one of the "applications" I "maintain" (yes I am using "air quotes" as sarcasm) was designed using this adage. I told them it was a bad idea, that what they were doing was wrong. Did it anyway. Launched, managers all patted each other on the back, moved on (as did the developer).
Now users are stuck with software which has been down as much as up and pretty much breaks in inexplicable ways if you look at it the wrong way.
As the basics go, Fast/Cheap/Quality: Pick two. If you're a manager with a half-life of a year, you get the kudos, someone else gets the problems. Cheap and Fast it is...
Seeing the USA produce and use more Drones (this game is basically USA USA USA!) will we see that?
Because that is what I want, I want to play a guy who uses a computer, to fly a drone.
I would be invincible! Except from heart disease, that fucker gets everyone...
Mental Note: Make BF4 handle 'Heart Disease' or something equally inane like the Heart symbol.
Mental Note 2: Quickly make a video game called "Best Friends 4: Wine Country" and release the same day. Make millions.
Isn't Slashdot owned by DICE now?
Reaches for tinfoil hat...
So I am going to get a lot of flame for my subject, but lets put things into perspective here.
Lots of blame to go around. Not to generalize either, but it makes me wonder if there wasn't other things going on as well. I mean I hate to say this but this likely happens all the time (girls being stupid bitches) but not everyone decides to kill themselves. Hell there are even a bunch of movies out there like "Mean Girls" etc... which basically are exactly that.
It seems a lot of things fall under "Bullying", many of which I would not classify as such. The two cases I know in Canada which had similar results I would call more a "crime" than "bullying". I think some of this is the police's unwillingness to go after kids or parents due to kids behavior. In one there was alleged rape and the other kiddie porn extortion. Police were called in both instances and the results were nothing. Parents did what they could, removal from school, mental care, however ultimately I think it was the hopelessness of the situation than was the cause of the eventual unfortunate result. They had already gone to the authorities, they had already tried escape/relocation. What was left? Isn't there a law for harassment? Pretty sure there is. The parents might think twice about continuing to allow their daughter the use of a cell phone when they are charged with a criminal offence because of it. I bet cell phone privileges would go real quick, and if she found another way, the rest of any privilege would follow.
I am a bit inclined to believe some of the more right wing crazies on here promoting violence in return, abit as a last resort. You have exhausted your legal alternatives, but you are somewhat justified in yourself protection (say with a measured response). Likely face repercussions, however perhaps tempered once the details come out. The axiom I like to use, is be nice to people, you don't know how everyone will react. Pull that stuff with the wrong person and you may regret it.
Anyway from the details that were given, simply name calling and harassment on its own I would hope would not cause such an end. I know I had a bully (bullies actually), problem when I was a kid. As mentioned by several, girls tend to be verbal while guys physical. As a guy I got in a fight pretty much every single day for several years. Dad's advice was to punch them in the nose if they refused to leave you alone. Other sage advice from an upper class man was to more less suck it up, after finding me despondent on the ground after a beating. While both sound at face value rather harsh, the advice isn't all that wrong. Bullies are cowards, like groups, and tend not to enjoy half as much what they dish out. They also feed on your misery and submission, so don't give them any. Eventually they will tire of it, find someone easier, or grow out of it hopefully. Mine did.
Not to condone violence, and my experience is different of course, however as mentioned sometimes your eventual consequences may be tempered. I put one of my larger attackers in the hospital once, and he was out of school for several days. I didn't get suspended or expelled, but got a stern talking to by a teacher. They knew it was going on, did not or could not do anything, so were a bit understanding of the eventual results I think. Also bullies (physical anyway) tend to want an unfair fight, either buy picking someone much smaller, or by using groups, so if you are forced to defend yourself, don't think you are somehow obligated to fight "fair" yourself.
Anyway what a terrible situation. On one hand it makes me wonder how horrible the one girls parents are, then again it also makes me glad I don't have any children either. I feel for the other parents. It sounds like they tried to do all the right things. I know as a kid I didn't have to deal with cell phone videos, or Facebook, or internet etc... Hell I was out of university when it came out, know I wished I had it while I was in to keep in touch with friends. Though as I recall at the time, there used to be an a