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Online Journalism Is Becoming a Billionaires' Plaything (Again)

Nerval's Lobster writes "In the 1941 film Citizen Kane, the titular newspaper magnate (played with cheeky insouciance by Orson Welles) gleefully tells a doubter that he's prepared to lose a million dollars every year in order to keep publishing. "At a rate of a million dollars a year," he smirks, "I'll have to close this place in 60 years." Over the past decade, of course, many newspapers and magazines have lost a lot more than a million dollars a year, and there are signs that online publications are having trouble holding their finances together, as well. But some very rich people are stepping in to prop things up: first Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos bought The Washington Post for $250 million, then eBay founder Pierre Omidyar offered journalist Glenn Greenwald a whole lot of cash to start up a general interest publication. Billionaires and multimillionaires, of course, have total freedom to fund whatever they want—and that could be a good thing for publications with a mission and a serious need for cash. But what if the rich investor disagrees with something that his pet publication releases into the world? If (and when) that situation occurs, it could serve as an interesting test of whether the latest version of this "generous benefactor" model can work more effectively as an impartial channel for news than it has in the past (when conflicts of interest often sparked titanic fights between editors and owners)."

143 comments

  1. Aaarrgh by nospam007 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Rosebud...

    1. Re:Aaarrgh by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Rosebud was Samzenpus's iPad.

  2. insouciance? by VMaN · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, who didn't have to lookup that word?

    1. Re:insouciance? by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "insouciance"

      "Ok, who didn't have to lookup that word?"

      Tens of millions of French speaking people additional to a couple of hundred million English speaking ones.

    2. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you honestly claiming that you believe at least 200 million English-speaking people read that article and happen to already be familiar with the word "insouciance"? It's unlikely that there's even ten million English speakers throughout the entire world who've even heard of that word.

    3. Re:insouciance? by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      \o/ Dans mes bras ! \o/

    4. Re:insouciance? by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      Moi !

    5. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you honestly claiming that you believe at least 200 million English-speaking people read that article and happen to already be familiar with the word "insouciance"? It's unlikely that there's even ten million English speakers throughout the entire world who've even heard of that word.

      Yeah, most of the non-american world speaks 2 or more languages, with french being quite common. I hear spanish has a similar word, too.

    6. Re:insouciance? by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Are you honestly claiming that you believe at least 200 million English-speaking people read that article and happen to already be familiar with the word "insouciance"? It's unlikely that there's even ten million English speakers throughout the entire world who've even heard of that word."

      Au contraire, it's le mot juste.
      English is a cache for french words, not only faux éminences grises, poseurs and blasé parvenus know that it is de rigueur to know them. Ask your fiancé.
      Sorry, I have to leave you with this impasse, my hors d'oeuvre (mélange of mange-tout with mousse) is ready and I need some change for the pourboire for my garçon.
      Sorry for the pastiche.

    7. Re:insouciance? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      I just assumed the meaning from the context.

      it's a fucking stupid word to use in a place like that and I can guarantee that the word would cause point loss on 99% of english exams in the world.

      I mean, the word needs "cheeky" in front of it to work. if one wanted to get fancy with words then one could have chosen a word that combined the two and was actually not something the reporter had been waiting to use since his cultural studies ended in the late '90s.

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    8. Re:insouciance? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Actually, demonstrating an extensive vocabulary tends to earn points on exams. So long as you make sure you know exactly what the word means. I got a mark on my english exam studying 'Of Mice and Men' by describing the racism of the time as 'ubiquitous.'

    9. Re:insouciance? by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      I browse at -1 with a dictionary and pronunciation window open. For me, hanging out with smart people is the best way to keep my mind open and learning.

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    10. Re:insouciance? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pfff. Just another one of these fancy knobs who likes to use words he doesn't understand in order to sound more "Cochon d'Inde."

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    11. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gitter gone, yeeehaw!

    12. Re:insouciance? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      "Are you honestly claiming that you believe at least 200 million English-speaking people read that article and happen to already be familiar with the word "insouciance"? It's unlikely that there's even ten million English speakers throughout the entire world who've even heard of that word."

      Au contraire, it's le mot juste. English is a cache for french words, not only faux éminences grises, poseurs and blasé parvenus know that it is de rigueur to know them. Ask your fiancé. Sorry, I have to leave you with this impasse, my hors d'oeuvre (mélange of mange-tout with mousse) is ready and I need some change for the pourboire for my garçon. Sorry for the pastiche.

      English has a lot of words based on french words but you're just dropping french in there. Anything with an accent isn't english. Especially garcon. That's just a french word. If any one in a restaurant calls for their garcon they're either incredibly stuck up or are taking the piss.

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    13. Re:insouciance? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

      Are you honestly claiming that it's so difficult to search for an unbeknownst term for a definition in one of the many free and excellent online dictionaries?

      I mean, hell, Google is usually pretty good at figuring out what searches are ostensibly for the sake of reference, even without providing the "define:" flag. In Firefox, Opera and probably other browsers, you just need to highlight the term and select "search $SearchEngine for $Word" for, and it will take you right to the definition. There's an extension for Firefox to load a word definition in an overlaid in a fancy DHTML box without having the leave the page. I'll bet there's one that does something similar on mouseover or double click since you're obviously to lazy to make the three or four clicks it takes otherwise.

      I love when writers use complex words. If it's a good one, I've augmented my vocabulary with a word that will enable me to express something more elegantly and coherently. For example, just the other day, I came across the word "petulant." What an eloquently percussive word to hurl at someone when appropriate. Although, I guess you'll never fully understand it because a few clicks are too difficult. Who knew there were Slashdotters afraid to learn?

    14. Re: insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You consider ubiquitous to be a 5 dollar word?
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      Wow.

    15. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's a good word. The reporter could have said cheeky "je ne sais quoi" but chose insouciance instead. In fact he could have cut out the cheeky and just said, "played with insouciance by Orson Welles." By way of an example, if he had said, indifference, then yes, by all means add cheeky; but in the case of insouciance, the cheekiness is implied, making the cheeky adverb somewhat redundant. The reporter, however, knowing that most readers are ignoramuses, made an editorial decision by adding cheeky, not to mention that Orson Welles had prominent cheeks which flapped about in an impertinent manner.

    16. Re:insouciance? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      ubiquitous is not an "extensive vocabulary" word, it is a common, everyone known it word.

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    17. Re:insouciance? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      I'm surprised the French have so many problems with the color of their socks. It's always sock ray blue this and sock ray blue that.

    18. Re:insouciance? by Arker · · Score: 1

      "Especially garcon. That's just a french word. If any one in a restaurant calls for their garcon they're either incredibly stuck up or are taking the piss."

      Eh, I would argue that it occurs more than often enough in English to count as an English word, particularly since it does have a distinct (though related) meaning from the French word. He's not (unless I badly misread him) using it in its French meaning but in its English meaning - it's a word that would be used by an idiot who considers himself a snob, or more likely in a parody of someone that others see as such. In this case, I believe he was indeed 'taking the piss' with it in a sense, but not necessarily in the sense you meant.

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    19. Re:insouciance? by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Funny

      What you're saying is that the understanding of ubiquitous is ubiquitous.

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    20. Re:insouciance? by unitron · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised the French have so many problems with the color of their socks. It's always sock ray blue this and sock ray blue that.

      It's like when in Spanish "white house" becomes "casa blanca", with the adjective following the noun it modifies instead of preceeding it, when you move from English to French "blu-ray" become "ray blue".

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    21. Re:insouciance? by fscking_coward_2001 · · Score: 2

      Anything with a diacritical mark isn't English. Especially garçon.

      FTFY, garçon!

    22. Re:insouciance? by unitron · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...For me, hanging out with smart people is the best way to keep my mind open and learning.

      Insert obligatory "...then what in the bleep are you doing on Slashdot?"

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    23. Re: insouciance? by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Step right over here, I collect word usage tax, and I can assure you, that is only $1.29.
      Now, ante up the toll, bub.

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    24. Re:insouciance? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      No, they're just mumbling doubletalk in Esperanto...
      What they're saying is; they'd like their coffee now and a high colonic. Just bag it up and step on it. You can brainwash someone like that.

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    25. Re:insouciance? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Played with "sour cream" by Orson Wells. Everyone knows he had a family size bag of ripple chips and a jug of Mogen David on the set.

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    26. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You foreign fellers, it's like you got a different word for everything...

    27. Re:insouciance? by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "English has a lot of words based on french words but you're just dropping french in there. Anything with an accent isn't english. "

      Every single word was found in the 3 english dictionaries I checked. Wikipedia has also a list.
      But this now resembles Kindergarten, Schadenfreude is verboten.

    28. Re:insouciance? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      > Ask your fiancé.

      Leave la palme de rouge out of this, pal.

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    29. Re:insouciance? by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Un bon mot ne prouve rien.
      A witty saying proves nothing.
      - Voltaire

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    30. Re:insouciance? by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Bitte trinken Sie viel Gift.

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    31. Re: insouciance? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      No, but the exam board considered it to be a one-mark word.

    32. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It gets worse: it's "look up". That's a phrasal verb. "Lookup" is a noun, as in "lookup table".

    33. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    34. Re:insouciance? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      most of the non-american world speaks 2 or more languages

      Cite? For example, how many Mandarin speakers (many of whom live in isolated rural areas) speak a second language?

    35. Re:insouciance? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Anything with an accent isn't English.

      That's a cliché. The first rule about English, especially its spelling, is that there are no rules. There are a number of English words imported from other languages that retain diacritical marks.

      The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

      -- origin disputed

    36. Re:insouciance? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      OK, I had to look up the definition as well and there's practically NOTHING about Citizen Kane that I would call "lighthearted unconcern." The guy is a headcase starting from the Rosebud scene.

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    37. Re: insouciance? by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      You consider ubiquitous to be a 5 dollar word?
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      Wow.

      I have to agree... I thought the word was ubiquitous...

    38. Re:insouciance? by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      I hate to tell you this but if you read books on a regular basis, you will find this word isn't all that rare. It's just rare to hear it in speech. Perhaps you should read more. Just a thought...

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    39. Re: insouciance? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points! My kingdom for mod points! There are historical reasons for why French has such a heavy influence on English, but it is still amazing to see how heavy it really is.

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    40. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Hillbilly ascent)... uh.... What?

      I prefer KISS approach.

      It those who don't know what it means, it stands for "Keep It Simple Stupid"

    41. Re:insouciance? by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      I bet it's a close thing but I have no hard numbers, for SPEAKS 2 or more. Reads 2 or more I would be more skeptical, but India has an assload of both people and languages, for instance. Places like that would skew the number upwards just like rural China would skew it down.

    42. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      English is an odd language. On one hand, it's relatively easy for somebody born in France to (seemingly) master English and acquire a degree of sophistication & literacy that few NATIVE English-speakers have prior to college. It's only natural... he shows up at his first English class already knowing 90% of the "big words" in the English language.

      The cruel reality is that he's likely to go through college, make friends with Americans who'll genuinely compliment his English proficiency, confidently take a trip to India or China, and find himself desperately trying to find someone who knows that a 'lavatory' is a WC. The same words that impress his American friends will leave them scratching their heads wondering WTF he's talking about... and the words THEY'LL use will be as foreign to him as Russian or Hungarian, even though an American would understand them without difficulty.

    43. Re:insouciance? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      I defy you to prove 200 million English-speaking people read that article full stop.

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    44. Re:insouciance? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      Thanks I just spit coffee on my keyboard.

      I read "Cochon d'Inde" as "Cock n d'anus".

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    45. Re:insouciance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, the American's fuck over France in a desperate attempt to cling to their cultural imperialism.

    46. Re: insouciance? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly related, but I always think it's funny that English is the "lingua franca" of the world nowadays. (Possibly it will be Chinese at some point, or a mixture, a la "Firefly".)

    47. Re:insouciance? by lissnup · · Score: 1

      ..one could have chosen a word that combined the two...

      What replacement word do you suggest?

    48. Re:insouciance? by lissnup · · Score: 1

      The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

      -- origin disputed

      Wild guess, but a major reason for the dispute could be the huge number of people who wish they'd coined that insightful and hilarious quote, myself included!

    49. Re:insouciance? by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Actually they probably do. Mandarin, or Putonghua, is the standard language taught in school> Most people also speak their "local language" which is usually completely incomprehensible to anyone from that area. People who have moved from one linguistic area to another learn the new language in order to communicate with ordinary people at the market.
      Now, and don't give me any lip about this, what they share is the written language. This means you will often see people "writing" on their palm or a wall to show the word they are saying if you don't speak their language. When I moved back in 2007 I made sure to buy a phone that let me write characters so I could communicate with everybody no matter what. I still use that phone BTW.
      I said don't give me any lip because many people confuse language and writing, and being an old school trained linguist that is anathema. Language is, in the old school, only the spoken language, the rest is semiotics.

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  3. more of the same by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    this has happened in all sectors of our emerging dystopia. the media was the first to go. the endgame of controlling information is to control everything. unless you have someone with good intentions at the helm, this is simply a step in a conquest of dominance. it's like the dark ages but with lawyers instead of soldiers.

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    1. Re:more of the same by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Well, what do you expect when the media turned on its heel in 2009 and became solidly pro-government? To the extent that they refuse to investigate the administration even when crimes are clearly being committed? All because they're simpatico with the political leanings of the President. Disgraceful, eh?

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    2. Re: more of the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wtf are you talking about? The media stopped being adversarial with the government after 9/11

    3. Re:more of the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I think you have the wrong year, and the wrong administration. Illegal war and torture came before the current administration, and that bastion of "liberal" news the NYT refused to use the word torture to describe it.

      Get real.

    4. Re:more of the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a little tip, Mr. Zero: not using your shift key doesn't make you look cook, it makes you look like someone who doesn't need to be paid attention to.

    5. Re:more of the same by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, what do you expect when the media turned on its heel in 2009 and became solidly pro-government? ... All because they're simpatico with the political leanings of the President.

      What is it about rightists that so many suffer from the victim complex that they accuse liberals of? Talk about projection.

      Remember all those in the media who were originally skeptical of Bush's rationale for the Iraq war? Me neither. I do remember Judith Miller, of the supposedly liberal NYT, acting as little more than a mouthpiece for the administration.

    6. Re:more of the same by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 0

      The media did not turn at all. They were always pro-Left. When the Left was out of power in the US they were anti-war and anti-Government. Now that the Left is in power they are pro-war (eg. all for bombing Syria after the jihadi 'false flag' chemical attack) and pro-Government.

      Why are the media pro-Left? learn about "Cultural Marxism". It is part of the invisible bars that hold you in the Matrix. Once you understand Cultural Marxism's origins, its intentions, and its destination then things like the alliance of global jihad with the Left (eg. populating the West with jihadis), the acceptance of the dominance of the OIC of the UN (including the Human Rights Commission and Refugee Agency), the takeover of the humanities in universities by Cultural Marxists, and the mass media and politicians having a leftist bent (indoctrination as they passed though universities).

      The billionaires playing with newspapers is nothing new. In the US the majority of the mainstream news media is controlled by only 6 corporations. Buying a mainstream media organization is becoming very cheap. This is because people are not watching old media in great numbers any more. For example, in the US many people seemed to have turned to the Internet and can see the bias in the old media (the bias is not only their choice of Marxist Politically Correct terms when they report - but more importantly, the significant events they choose not to report ["lie by omission"]).

      Note: modders, this is on-topic, I am explaining how billionaires can buy media for cheap due to the falling ratings from people sick of the media bias (always a day late and leaving critical facts out of important stories). Yeah, I know there are some of you that censor anything about the Leftist-Islam Alliance (the so called "Red-Green Alliance") as -1 Off-Topic and -1 Troll, but lay off it for a bit. The Slashdotters need to know about Cultural Marxism. Then they can make up their own mind whether they agree or not.

    7. Re:more of the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how convenient people's memories are. I could give you people from Fox News, apparently the hell hole from whence horned and tailed republicans are born, that say great things about Obama and the administration. Every news outlet tends to make at least a passing attempt to be in the middle and "unbiased".

      I do remember all the skeptics for the Iraq war. And the massive growth of those skeptics as September 11th faded further and further into distant memory and it was easier for the media to separate the two. And I remember all the screaming and yelling about Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. It was almost daily we heard about it. Now no one cares a lick about Guantanamo in the mainstream press. We don't get daily reports of deaths in Afghanistan anymore

      What is it about leftists and rightists ... lets just say anyone remotely political at either end ... that their memory is always polluted and biased towards their singular leaning? Hindsight isn't always 20/20, often it's more blind than sight in the present day.

  4. Pew pew! by Quakeulf · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Pew pew! by intermodal · · Score: 2

      I hate it when truth, rather than be stranger than fiction, makes fiction stop feeling so fictitious.

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  5. what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Haven't media enterprises always been owned by some rich guy/group?
    The only difference now is that more people can get in the game, as the Internet provides for more channels.
    Old channels are regulated by the state, so we can only expect the level of censorship and manipulation to be higher.

    Mainstream media has been a combination of reality show and bullshit for decades now. It can only get better.

    1. Re:what's new? by somersault · · Score: 1

      It can only get better.

      Godsdamnit AC :/ Journalists the world over are saying "challenge accepted".

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  6. As every paid journo knows by ehack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The freedom of the press belongs to the owner of the press.

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    1. Re:As every paid journo knows by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Which makes network neutrality all the more precious. Without it then you can set up your own server but the packets go nowhere.

      Every effort has to be made to allow the individual to be heard somehow.

  7. just another example of societal regression by nimbius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Billionaires and multimillionaires, of course, have total freedom to fund whatever they wantâ"and that could be a good thing for publications with a mission and a serious need for cash.

    in the late 19th century and into the beginnings of the 20th century america and england had epidemic problems with the 'well to do' financing newspapers. it took investigative journalists that didnt care about the advertisers or the backers to correct this.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckraker
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_American_newspapers#The_press_in_the_Party_System:_1820.E2.80.931890
    the difference being todays muckrakers have the internet. its much harder, although not impossible, to silence a glen greenwald or a julian assange if they so choose to expose your corruption. plutocratically controlled news is an important thing to have when voters are striking for fair minimum wage, protesting your banks in occupy camps, and largely backing healthcare and prison reforms that would undermine your system of creating intentional strife within parties or groups of people to further advance your cause.

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    1. Re:just another example of societal regression by sabbede · · Score: 2
      Hey, be careful, that's an awfully broad brush you're painting with. Don't forget, Benjamin Franklin was a wealthy media mogul. And following him was a time when people would start newspapers just to slander their political opponents...

      ...which I guess we have kind of come back to. (I'm looking at you Drudge and KOS).

      I guess that I'm not just going to assume nefarious intent just because somebody is wealthy.

    2. Re:just another example of societal regression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with what you're saying, but personally I feel that Greenwald is a bogeyman too. Tarzie enunciates this much better than I can, in terms of how Greenwald is using exactly the authoritarian tactics to control the leaks he once used to denounce.

      http://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2013/10/15/viva-the-new-journalism/

    3. Re:just another example of societal regression by ultranova · · Score: 1

      the difference being todays muckrakers have the internet. its much harder, although not impossible, to silence a glen greenwald or a julian assange if they so choose to expose your corruption.

      But if they do, so what? Have people gone to jail over what Wikileaks revealed? Have people gone to jail over what Snowden revealed? People are in trouble over exposed corruption, but they're not the corrupt but the whistleblowers.

      In this situation, does investigative journalism actually matter at all? Investigate all you want, prove everything you want, publish all you want - you are the one who gets punished, not the corrupt.

      And if the rot has truly set so deep that being exposed to light no longer destroys it, is there any reason the infection won't spread till it kills the patient?

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  8. The problem is for profit news... by blahplusplus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .. always bends to business or advertisers. At this point I'd like (I know it's unrealistic) to have a news organization that's totally funded by the public via central bank and they have a bottomless well of money to spend in case of political emergency (aka build it into the system) that's run by the sanest citizens. They are picked for their sanity and respect for the truth. People who accept science, aren't easily fooled by left/right ideology, understand that societies have to change in accordance with what is true about the universe, even if that up-ends the status quo. We have people trying to cling to 19th century ideologies in a world where technology is fast making human elements unprofitable over the long term.

    News sucks so bad because most people are just too scared or too sheepish to actually call out the corporate system on its bullshit because they depend on that very system for survival, too many people are easily manipulated by the threats of loss of income, relationships and status.

    1. Re:The problem is for profit news... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Such organisation would still have to keep happy the politicians who decide to allocate the money.

      A better solution is to have everything: Government-funded news, privately sponsored news, advertiser-funded news, volunteer-operated enthusiast news. All biased, but in different directions, and constantly fact-checking each other.

    2. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such organisation would still have to keep happy the politicians who decide to allocate the money.

      A better solution is to have everything: Government-funded news, privately sponsored news, advertiser-funded news, volunteer-operated enthusiast news. All biased, but in different directions, and constantly fact-checking each other.

      This is essentially what we have now and it doesn't work. People tend to read and embrace what they already believe in, and ridicule & disparage what they do not believe in...

    3. Re:The problem is for profit news... by smpoole7 · · Score: 2

      > .. always bends to business or advertisers.

      Exactly. I work in the media (radio), and you'd better believe it. But it doesn't only happen with "rich guys." (Or "gals.)

      The classic example is that of a small local newspaper. The largest advertiser's son is arrested for drunk driving. The advertiser calls the paper and says, "please don't run that story." What does the paper do? If it agrees, it has compromised. If it doesn't, though, it loses its largest advertiser and (this example is based on a true story, can't remember the details now) goes out of business.

      In this particular case, who knows? Maybe the rich guy could *afford* to tell the advertiser, "sorry, but it's news, we're gonna print it."

      My only other strong disagreement with some of the other posts here is the idea that government could somehow do a better (or at least more "unbiased") job. That's ludicrous. Politiclowns are the LEAST informed and the most swayed by public opinion. Now add in the fact that they earnestly want to *shape* public opinion, and you'll see what I don't believe anything emitted by a government organ.

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    4. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.democracynow.org/

    5. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real news network (google it or check youtube, i don't know how to link in this board) is a project attempting to do the unrealistic by being funded solely by the public viewers.

      Personally im surprised by the quality of their work in terms of debated and investigated content and how long they have been afloat.

    6. Re:The problem is for profit news... by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Politiclowns are the LEAST informed and the most swayed by public opinion. Now add in the fact that they earnestly want to *shape* public opinion, and you'll see what I don't believe anything emitted by a government organ.

      Because everybody who works for the government is a 'politiclown'. All humans are and will be (for the time being) fallible and prone to corruption, which is why the design of the system should mitigate that. Separation of powers, transparent evaluation processes, etc.

      The big difference with private corporations is that citizens can and should demand openness about how public processes take place and that 'regulations' for the government aren't seen as evil economy and freedom-killing blasphemy by half the country.

    7. Re:The problem is for profit news... by sabbede · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, NPR is pretty darn close to what you're talking about. There's also the BBC.

      But how do you get around the problem of a media outlet becoming an organ of the state? There is an unavoidable risk that news reporting will become beholden to whomever controls the purse strings. But the more of them there are competing for advertising revenue, the less it costs to advertise with them. The broader the base of financial support, the harder it is to become beholden to any one source.

      Of course, the theory behind public funding (through the government, not pledge drives) is that the media is then beholden to each individual. However, it is the body that funnels the funds to them to which they will become beholden.

    8. Re:The problem is for profit news... by nbauman · · Score: 2, Informative

      .. always bends to business or advertisers.

      That's the general rule, but the exceptions are even more interesting. (And the exceptions are the ones that I read.)

      Before Rupert Murdoch took it over, the Wall Street Journal was my choice for the best source of general news in the English language. The paper was very profitable and had a wide advertising base, so it wasn't dependent on any single advertiser. They were owned by a family, the Bancrofts, that were quite liberal, hired good journalists to run the paper, and left them alone, except when they had to stand behind them. The conservative editorial page gave them cover for a news department that was actually one of the most liberal in the country. I was struck by their no-sacred-cows coverage of the pharmaceutical industry, automobile safety, mining, and the Reagan-era welfare reforms. They had long, ongoing coverage of people with life-threatening diseases who couldn't afford to get treated in the health care system. One of their reporters in New York profiled a young woman who worked in a news stand near her house, who was blind in one eye, and going blind in the other eye, because she couldn't afford to pay her bills at New York Eye and Ear medical center, and couldn't afford the relatively cheap drugs for glaucoma.

      The best account of the Wall Street Journal, I think, was in a couple of articles written by A. Kent Macdougal (in More and in the Monthly Review) after he retired to teach journalism. He said that in all his career, he never heard of pressure from an advertiser or a political favorite of the management or publisher. He was a socialist, and he could write whatever he wanted as long as he followed the formula of balanced, objective journalism with every statement backed up by facts.

      Macdougal said that the Journal earned its credibility in the 1950s when they got photos of the next year's GM model cars, which were a big marketing secret. GM said that if the Journal published them, they would cancel all their advertising. The Journal published them, GM cancelled their ads, and when GM finally came back begging to let them advertise again, the Journal took a long time deciding whether to take them.

      Now that Murdoch took over, he started using his pressure not on behalf of his advertisers, but on behalf of his political ideology http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/business/media/14carr.html I guess he thinks he's Citizen Kane.

      I think the formula for good news is a lot of money (from whatever source), and good journalists who know how to report, edit and manage news. Ralph Ingersol paid for PM and The Compass. George Seldes used to publish his newsletter In Fact, which published news that nobody else would (and had a network of reporters around the world who sent them stories they couldn't publish in their own newspapers), like racism in the South. In Fact was a model for American newsletters and dissident newspapers that followed, including I.F. Stone's Weekly. Seldes didn't know this until much later, but his main financial backer was a Communist who was getting money to pay for the newsletter from the Soviet Union. Dostoyevsky said, "We all came out from under Gogol's overcoat." Well, we all came out from under Seldes' In Fact.

      So that's what it takes -- good journalists, and money with no strings attached, wherever you can get it. Let's see if Omidyar and Greenwald can do it.

    9. Re:The problem is for profit news... by nbauman · · Score: 1

      This is essentially what we have now and it doesn't work.

      Yeah, but it's the best you're going to get.

      People tend to read and embrace what they already believe in, and ridicule & disparage what they do not believe in...

      That's more the fault of the audience than the news media.

      It would be nice if we could teach people to examine the different ideas before they make up their mind. That's what a liberal education used to do.

    10. Re:The problem is for profit news... by nbauman · · Score: 2

      http://www.democracynow.org/

      I can't mod that up because I'm commenting.

      That's the George Seldes formula. If you want good news badly enough, pay for it yourself.

      Fortunately Amy Goodman is a very good journalist. There's a reason people go to Harvard for their education. Like a lot of good small news organizations, it's heavily dependent on a single individual.

    11. Re:The problem is for profit news... by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      > .. always bends to business or advertisers.

      Exactly. I work in the media (radio), and you'd better believe it. But it doesn't only happen with "rich guys." (Or "gals.)

      The classic example is that of a small local newspaper. The largest advertiser's son is arrested for drunk driving. The advertiser calls the paper and says, "please don't run that story." What does the paper do? If it agrees, it has compromised. If it doesn't, though, it loses its largest advertiser and (this example is based on a true story, can't remember the details now) goes out of business.

      Classic example is Ms. magazine. Most of their advertising came from cigarettes. They ran stories about every cancer except lung cancer, every women's health problem except lung disease. An ad in Ms. magazine meant that their advertising acceptability department had approved it. Ms. was saying it was acceptable, even fashionable. They helped addict a generation of teenage girls to nicotine, and you can see it in the death rates in women from lung cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, heart disease, and strokes.

    12. Re:The problem is for profit news... by strong_epoxy · · Score: 2

      Brilliant! Let's build it. I get to pick the 'sane citizens.'

    13. Re:The problem is for profit news... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "Such organisation would still have to keep happy the politicians who decide to allocate the money."

      It wouldn't be run by elected officials, it would be run based on genetic and other scientific assessments of the persons thought and worldview. Tests for sanity. hence I said 'sanity' being #1. There are people who are nearly bias free and have penetrating insights into mankind and society at large. Bias has little to do with survival. We know enough about the world to know when we are threatening our own long term survival. The problem is the people who's minds are easily co-opted by the system.

    14. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing worse than a bias in reporting is pretending not to have one. Realistically there has to be bias in any single source; ergo if you want balance then select more than one.

    15. Re:The problem is for profit news... by arcite · · Score: 1

      The BBC has had their fair share of scandals over the years, but their independence from the government and organizational structure has allowed them to largely adapt and repair their reputation.

    16. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's in line with it is actually true about the universe, go right for it.

    17. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > bias has little to do with survival ...unless you live in a group of people with certain opinions that you're not allowed to question. Ensuring that you make no moves that show political incorrectness is a very powerful bias and is very important to survival. Sure, no one gets executed for using the word 'nigger', as people used to be for denying the doctrine of transsubstantiation, but tell Pax Dickinson's wife that people are allowed to say whatever they want to.

      The wisdom of crowds only works when the crowds aren't allowed to discuss the issue and form factions first. Because factions they will form, and the number of jellybeans predicted will depend on the estimate of the best politician.

      And anyone who says the word 'nigger' is voted off the island first.

    18. Re:The problem is for profit news... by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      BBC, RT, NPR, and AJE. Major networks of competing governments (Well, AJE isn't government, but still ideologically competitive). RT for example is funded by the Russian government. And the Russian government frequently wants to make the American government look bad, so they'll report the scandals that our media won't touch.

      Of course you need to remember their angle too. NPR and sometimes the BBC will downplay any US scandal while RT and possibly AJE will jump to exaggerate it. Pick some sane middle ground between a couple of those and you should be pretty good.

      You'll never find an unbiased news source; but you can easily synthesize something close from a few with competing interests.

  9. Well by The+Cat · · Score: 2

    Since the Internet has failed to realize its goal of making it possible for the little guy to be on an even playing field with the large companies, I would say that it's par for the course that the rich people will take over.

    The promise of open standards and democratic information have been destroyed with the enthusiastic participation of the very people who told us open standards were the way forward. E-mail has been abandoned for Twitter. The web has been abandoned for Facebook and the PC has been abandoned for the iPhone. And you love it.

    This all happened after the U.S. high tech industry was strangled and dumped in a drainage ditch naked in 2000 and the space program was raped and left for dead somewhere in northern Asia.

    It's too late to cry about it now. You got exactly what you wanted, and every step of the way when people pointed out we were on the wrong path you shouted them down with your smartass memes and your neckbearded atheist-habit self-assurance you are the smartest people in the world.

    In ten years the Internet will be destroyed completely, and since there is nobody left under the age of 50 with an attention span longer than ten seconds the people who lose it won't have any idea what the hell happened.

    And it will be your fault.

    1. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, web 2.0 sucks, but it has a purpose it acts as a filter, it keeps the worthless masses away from web 1.0 technologies. web 1.0 has been demographically cleansed, this good. /some sort of internet psuedo-nazi elitest.

    2. Re:Well by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      And it will be your fault.

      While the general contempt being spat in the above post is rather direction-less, I feel that this statement at least is accurate. It is "our" (collective computerdom's) fault that the internet is being turned into a giant walled garden surrounded by watch towers.

      The web needed technologies that put decentralisation, anonymity, and encryption into the hands of every single user by default. That never happened. It never happened because hackers did not
      a) Write such software, or write such addons to existing software, and
      b) Never pushed for such software to be written or included.

      Where's the button on Firefox that turns on -- no, turns off from default -- encrypted browsing? Where's the auto-configured PGP setting in _all_ email clients, ready to send and receive encrypted mail by default? Where are the default sever settings in programs like Apache which support all of this across the web?

      These things are no longer optional extras. In the face of the rumbling, Kafka-esque behemoth that the NSA is becoming, they are essential features which everyone on the web needs right now.

      The first task: Get Firefox to accept self-signed certs without complaining.

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      May the Maths Be with you!
    3. Re:Well by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      It's easy to blame "us" for not writing these things, but that's an oversimplification. The security and privacy features you describe are decidedly non-trivial to implement, it's not generally something that works well as a weekend/hobby project. And no one wanted to pay us to implement them.

      And I'm not referring to the corporate overlords (who have a vested interest in the end user *not* having access to them) or the government (ditto). I mean every end user who, up until the recent shitstorm, dismissed those very concerns with suggestions to "make sure the shiny side is *out*," etc...

      Yes, we need them now. And in true, modern corporate fashion, our (collective) short sightedness is biting us in the ass. Barn doors and horses and all.

    4. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are un-editable pages better?

    5. Re: Well by sabbede · · Score: 2

      I'm upgrading to Web 8.1 today.

    6. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll add one more thing: by not coming down hard on black hat hackers and crackers right away it created an enviroment of tacit acceptance for violating everyone's personal property. This is hardly the way to build open, trusted networks.

      The dream (for some of us) has always been an all-purpose server in "the hall closet," running mail, personal web servers and whatever else could be done with it. But a big reason we don't is because of the constant attention and security requirements.

    7. Re:Well by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Web 2.0 is no worse than web 1.0. It's as crappy or as worthwhile as you make it. Do you really think the average Geocities site was any better than the average Facebook feed?

      Latest posts on my Facebook feed:
      "Florida man sets self on fire while setting up burning cross display"
      "NSA Director admits he lied about phone surveillance"
      "Rooftop Revolutionaries Fighting the Escapism Generation"
      A picture of my friend's dog
      A petition asking Obama to pardon Manning
      "US Eases Regulations on Exporting Weapons"
      A link to the Mythbusters Instagram

      Also worth noting, I think, that only one of those news articles I received because I follow the network that published it. The rest were shared by friends, because most of my Facebook friends actually give a damn.

      Perhaps the problems you ascribe to Facebook are in fact problems of who you choose to associate with... ;)

    8. Re:Well by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

      Since the Internet has failed to realize its goal of making it possible for the little guy to be on an even playing field with the large companies, I would say that it's par for the course that the rich people will take over.

      The promise of open standards and democratic information have been destroyed with the enthusiastic participation of the very people who told us open standards were the way forward. E-mail has been abandoned for Twitter. The web has been abandoned for Facebook and the PC has been abandoned for the iPhone. And you love it.

      This all happened after the U.S. high tech industry was strangled and dumped in a drainage ditch naked in 2000 and the space program was raped and left for dead somewhere in northern Asia.

      It's too late to cry about it now. You got exactly what you wanted, and every step of the way when people pointed out we were on the wrong path you shouted them down with your smartass memes and your neckbearded atheist-habit self-assurance you are the smartest people in the world.

      In ten years the Internet will be destroyed completely, and since there is nobody left under the age of 50 with an attention span longer than ten seconds the people who lose it won't have any idea what the hell happened.

      And it will be your fault.

      You had me until "... athiest". What the fuck does athiesm have to do with it?

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      Andy Warhol got it right / Everybody gets the limelight
      Andy Warhol got it wrong / Fifteen minutes is too long.
    9. Re:Well by The+Cat · · Score: 0

      You had me until "... athiest". What the fuck does athiesm have to do with it?

      Because like fundamentalist Christians, atheists are butthurt when people question their conclusions. That attitude influences their thinking on most subjects, and as a result, they are impossible to have a conversation with.

      That asshole-ish "I'm right and you're not" attitude is one of the reasons the Internet is so fucked up right now. You don't listen. You just shove your neckbeard in everyone's face.

      The fact that you seized on the word 'atheist' (and only that word) out of all the words in my post is proof.

      Now you will post a reactionary shitriver telling me how I'm wrong, which will prove me right twice.

    10. Re:Well by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

      You had me until "... athiest". What the fuck does athiesm have to do with it?

      Because like fundamentalist Christians, atheists are butthurt when people question their conclusions. That attitude influences their thinking on most subjects, and as a result, they are impossible to have a conversation with.

      That asshole-ish "I'm right and you're not" attitude is one of the reasons the Internet is so fucked up right now. You don't listen. You just shove your neckbeard in everyone's face.

      The fact that you seized on the word 'atheist' (and only that word) out of all the words in my post is proof.

      Now you will post a reactionary shitriver telling me how I'm wrong, which will prove me right twice.

      Dude did you forget your meds or something?

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      Andy Warhol got it right / Everybody gets the limelight
      Andy Warhol got it wrong / Fifteen minutes is too long.
  10. How is this new? by phayes · · Score: 1

    I'm not even talking about the historic examples of a century ago. Robert Murdock anyone?

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    1. Re:How is this new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barak Obama anyone?
      He gave NBC's, and MSNBC's, parent company $16 Billion dollars during the stimulus. I would dare say that is far more than Murdock ever spent.
      He has also gotten overwhelmingly positive coverage for it. By the way, that was taxpayer money he gave them, not his own.

    2. Re:How is this new? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Murdock is a reliable corporatist, so he's considered mostly-harmless. I've been following @pierre for a while on Twitter - he's really pissed about the NSA scandal and has the money to draw attention to his concerns.

      That's why we're seeing toady stories today bemoaning Rosebud - his reputation needs to be damaged in the court of public opinion, so that the real people who control the press can go about their business.

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  11. The New is Just Like the Old by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You needn't go back to Charles Foster Kane or the William Randolph Hearsts of the world he was meant to represent. This kind of thing never went away (vide Rupert Murdoch or Ted Turner). The main difference between a Bezos and a Murdoch is that Bezos made his fortune indiscriminately selling books filled with insight, entertainment, truth, facts or lies, while Murdoch was much more discriminate in peddling lies.

    1. Re:The New is Just Like the Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if he was ever famous in the USA, but let's not forget arch-crook Robert Maxwell.

  12. It is not so much about disagreement with content by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But what if the rich investor disagrees with something that his pet publication releases into the world?

    It is much more about the content, in *all* cases where a billionaire takes over, becoming poorer and poorer. Why ? Because the billionaire has become a billionaire by earning ( lots of ) money, and is 100% geared toward .... earning money. The only way to do that, with media, in our dystopian world, is by advertising. Advertising only works well if and when the media carrying the ads reach a large public. A large public can only be reached by rendering content poorer: shallower, shorter, simpler.

    And that is how it works and has worked, e.g. for the ( prime example ! ) French "quality newspaper" Le Monde. Up to the beginning of the '90s, that newspaper was owned by private investors, philantropists actually, who knew that producing a quality newspaper costs money, more than that same newspaper can bring in. But then, some time in the '90s, Le Monde was taken over by rich investors. The result: from the stern, photo-less format for which it was famous, from great heights of linguistic refinement and from immense depths of understanding and background articles, Le Monde went to... well, pretty much the same format as other large-public newspapers: advertisements everywhere, shallow articles dealing with the craze and the hype of the day. If even Le Monde could not do it, I do not see how any other serious media can do it, whether they be newspaper, tv programme, radio - you name it.

    Conclusion: any take-over of traditional media by billionaires is bad news. Bad news for the public at large. Bad news for the employed, conscientious journalists and reporters. Bad news for the "third power" that media have come to be in our ramshackle democracies. Bad news for all.

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  13. Financing by AndyCanfield · · Score: 2

    In the past century selling copies was a common method of financing; the entire book ecosystem is built around this concept. Similar is the movie ecosystem, which sold views until DVD's came along.

    Recently the Internet has exploited the advertising method of financing. Newspapers and magazines have relied on this for decades.

    RIch investors are not a new invention - it goes back thousands of years. This was how The Old Testament was paid for. Today nobody would know about Abraham except for the fellow who financed hand-written copies of the Torah. It is by far the oldest tradition. It's not evil. You pay to print your opinions, I pay to print my opinions. Millions read yours, maybe one or two will read mine. We both become part of the human cultural heritage.

  14. Ferns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With these fancy New Yorker style words and everything, I'm just concerned that Slashdot will start putting fern and doily graphics around the site.

    1. Re:Ferns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just need to get in touché with your inner metrosexual.

    2. Re:Ferns by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Metrosexual? Isn't that the subway to the red light district in Paris?

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    3. Re:Ferns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not quite. Have you ever seen Irréversible?

    4. Re:Ferns by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      With these fancy New Yorker style words

      Have you actually heard the average New Yorker speak? Fuggedaboutit.

    5. Re:Ferns by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Probably a 'wooosh' on my part, but just in case:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker

  15. Billionaires, megacorps, what's the difference? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why am I supposed to worry about Jeff Bezos having more of an effect on the editorial direction of the WaPo than I am on, say, Disney affecting the editorial direction of ABC News (or Gannett, if you want to stick with print)? The only difference that I can see is that the latter is answerable to shareholders and so might tolerate fewer losses on the business. IMO, this horse was out of the barn years ago, and the nouveau riche* are the "same as the old boss" at this point.

    *Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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    1. Re:Billionaires, megacorps, what's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod this up to 6.

  16. Re:It is not so much about disagreement with conte by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    But what if the rich investor^^W^WRupert Murdoch disagrees with something that his pet publication^W^W^W Fox News releases into the world?

    Or let's go further back, since we're referencing Citizen Kane: How about Randolph ("Reefer Madness/Remember the Maine!") Hearst?

  17. Washington Post by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wouldn't hold my breath over the Post launching an in-depth investigation into Amazon's contracts with the CIA, for example. More to the point, Bezos won't even have to say a word; even the dimmest editor knows which side of the bread his butter lies. Kinda like Russia Today's coverage about the treatment of the LGBT communities in that country is a bit... light. Or Al Jazeera's reportage on the practical enslavement of south pacific workers in the Middle East. Lesson: never single-source.

  18. Can you say BIAS? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 1

    The question posed in the summary is moot. It's obvious that, say for example, the Washington Post won't publish anything that upsets Bezos (like a favorable Nook review).

    Paid-for journalism is nothing new. It's just been exacerbated by the rise of the WWW.

  19. Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the ting that's really scary is that public opinion is so easily manipulated. And real news is disappearing. It's more propaganda, sound bites, and distorting things to the point of getting at the truth is extremely difficult.

    It doesn't help that the politicians really don't explain their positions well. The other day on NPR, they were interviewing a Republican Congressman. As far as I'm concerned, he discredited his otherwise eloquent position by calling the Affordable Care Act as the "Un-Affordable Care Act".

    That tells me nothing - no data - no facts. Just bumper sticker sound bite.

    And the NPR corespondent didn't hold his feet to the fire and ask, "Exactly what makes it unaffordable?"

    1. Re:Scary by nbauman · · Score: 1

      And the NPR corespondent didn't hold his feet to the fire and ask, "Exactly what makes it unaffordable?"

      That's exactly the problem. Of course if he did ask a question like that, the politician wouldn't have given NPR easy quotes any more. And that would mean the correspondent would have to work harder for a story.

      Amy Goodman www.democracynow.org would have asked him. It can be done. Listen to her interview with Bill Clinton.

      Or listen to Carole Coleman's interview with George W. Bush on Irish TV -- where she actually asked him substantive questions about the war in Iraq.

  20. Billionaire incompetence by mbone · · Score: 1

    In my (limited but non-zero) direct experience, billionaires are dangerous, since they tend to go outside their areas of competence, since everyone assumes that they know what they are doing, and since (at least in the United States) very few people will speak up when they are wrong.

  21. yea, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like /. is anything close to tech news...

  22. Online news by grub · · Score: 0


    I absolutely love the ~1 year old news site Quartz. I forget how I found it, but it's been a great. The "While you were sleeping" sections in the email updates keeps you up to date on events around the clock.

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  23. Re:It is not so much about disagreement with conte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the guy the movie character was based on?

  24. Re:more of the same, not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like Rupert Murdoch buying various news outlets that are nothing but speculative babble, the paper would serve wonders for those without toilet paper? Or more to the point, turning the defunct idiots at FOX (Fuckin' Oxy-Moron News) into the same mindless babble, all for the shack and awl (as some call it) to sell the news at any costs.. Cause that is exactly what is happening, look at CNN, MSNBC, NBC in general, pretty much all of them, even NPR (all tho they do report various things you can pick and choose from with ease).

    When you have too much money you have too much time as well, and that leads to arrogance and ignorance.

  25. Maybe we MIGHT get some ACTUALLY balanced news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok,

              I figure I'm going get slammed anyway, but...
              Knowing the current state of the media, paper, and TV, and the current rift between "Progressivve" and "Neo-Conservatives", MAYBE we can get someone to simply TELL the news without Spin-Doctoring the news!

              I'd like to, for once, be able tojudge a story on the merits of what actually happened from all perspectives, instead of the Doom and Gloom told from BOTH sides. It's freaking annoying that people are trying to tell me HOW and WHAT to think, instead of allowing me to make my own decissions!

    (OK so my spelling sucks. It's early for me...)

    Jason

  26. Practical Alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't want "rich" people owning and operating news organizations, what do you want? Do you want them to be non-profits that can be harrassed by the IRS at the administration's whim? Would you rather they be funded directly by the government, so that the government can pressure them with funding, or coerce them to the will of the currently-dominant ego of the government every time a "continuing resolution" date comes up? Maybe just wholly operated by the government?

    Is there anything left besides a co-op? I don't know how practical that would be in such a high-pressure environment. Yes, the newspaper industry is fairly high-pressure.

    Jeff Bezos may or may not be the right hand of the devil, but one thing he has going for him: he's more free than most. IMO, the less the purse strings are controlled by government organizations, the better, for *the press*. I know the "government control" is all a grey area - "hey Jeff we'd love to give you this server contract but really need Story X to be pushed to page 5" - but dammit, let's push it towards one side rather than the other.

    1. Re:Practical Alternatives? by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Government sucks, but it's better than corporate.

      There are certain interests that every corporation shares. Like keeping corporate taxes low; protecting the wealthy owners; etc. So to balance that you need a large number of corporate-free sources. Not just non-profits, as you can get $5m/yr from Monsanto and still be non-profit. So you need either government funded or crowdsouced (and good luck doing that for a large org).

      Government sources, by comparison, rarely focus on supporting the concept of government as a whole. For example, the US and Russia use many similar violent tactics to suppress protests. But their state news agencies don't try to downplay it because both are doing it -- when it happens in the US, Russia's state-sponsored news makes a scandal of it to embarrass the US. When it happens in Russia, the US's news makes a scandal of it.

      So, if you combine two state-sponsored sources from competing governments, you can end up with a reasonable unbiased result. But you could combine a hundred corporate sources and the result would still lean to the right at least on economic issues.

  27. Impartial journalism is a farce by argoff · · Score: 1

    For chrissake, there has never been a day since the birth of humankind where journalism has been impartial. Right now, the powers that be seem to be changing hands, and so all the old partialities are falling to the new ones. Maybe the old minions are whining about impartiality, but in practice they are really just whineing that their partiality is being subbed out for somebody elses.

    1. Re:Impartial journalism is a farce by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      For chrissake, there has never been a day since the birth of humankind where journalism has been impartial

      Yeah, some "top ten list" of rules inscribed on tablets comes to mind //rim shot

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    2. Re:Impartial journalism is a farce by cas2000 · · Score: 2

      yeah, the first half of them were advertising and self-serving propaganda too.

  28. Re:It is not so much about disagreement with conte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm confused by your post. What is the difference between rich "private investors, philantropists actually" and "rich investors"? If a rich guy buys a newspaper knowing it will lose money, how can you tell if he is a philanthropist before seeing the results?

  29. Why no mention of Carlos Slim and The NY Times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you people even know about this? Carlos hopes to bring what socialism has done for Mexico for the last 90 years to the USA.

  30. Happens All the Time by Frightened_Turtle · · Score: 1

    You print something the owner of your publication or one of their major advertisers doesn't like, you get fired. Pure and simple. Just look at Fox (e.g. "Faux") News to see that. They outright distort the facts and lie to push their employer's agenda. Murkdock pays them well to look like fools and idiots--but there are greater fools and idiots who fall for that crap.

    On the other hand, publications have soared to extraordinary heights in public opinion when reporters break earthshaking, investigative reports, even at the cost of the owner's friends and contacts in high places. Credibility brings in readers and more readers brings more money from advertisers. When publishers see the new bottom line attached to credibility, they usually loosen the reins and let the reporters do real work instead of writing fiction. For this, the problem is often self-correcting. The problem with gaining credibility is it can take years to have an effect, yet one misstep can blow it all away. Often, a major publication doesn't regain public trust until it is sold to a new publisher with an untainted reputation. The opposite can happen, too, when a reputable publication is bought out by a publisher of questionable reputation. Once the publisher starts pushing their questionable agenda into print, the publication's reputation slides rapidly and the target readership drops off. It is very difficult for even a top publication to recover from that situation.

    The first place you will find out about the reputation of a given publication? From those on the front line: the reporters themselves. Contrary to public opinion, the majority of journalists take great pride in their work ethic and feel strongly that they are performing a vital public service factually reporting the news. So they take great offense to publications that don't do fact checking—called "Rags" in the industry. Reputable reporters almost all have a list of publications with which they would not want their names associated. Early in my career as a stringer (freelance writer), I commented to a colleague that I had applied to The XXXXX Post for a staff position. Nearly all the journalists around us stopped what they were doing, looked at me, and in one voice said, "Oh, God no! Not there!" Instead of covering the event (a boring political meeting going nowhere), the next forty minutes were spent with them giving me a lot of career guidance and networking. So, you want to know where you should be getting your news? Ask the reporters.

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  31. Wealthy families always have owned news media by guanxi · · Score: 1

    Just looking at three of the leading newspapers in the U.S. (if not the world):

      * The NY Times has long been owned by the Sulzbergers for over a century
      * The Washington Post was owned by (or just controlled by?) the Grahams until Bezos bought it
      * The Wall Street Journal was owned by the Bancroft family for over a century until News Corp. (Rupert Murdoch's company) bought it.

    The fourth leading US newspaper, USA Today, was founded and is owned by Gannett, a leading owner of local media.

  32. Corporate Democracy by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    Many claim that government wants a dumb population that is easily controlled. Things that point to this is how people vote depending on their situation and what they are willing to accept as fact.

    The truth is, corporations have owned government for some time now, and it is in their best interest (or the elite that own the corporations), to have a dumb population, that are willing to accept certain things as fact, usually despite their situation. This allows them to sponsor and get elected people who are malleable their cause, which can be summarized as: Keep as much wealth as possible or become even more wealthy. It also allows them to control political situations events by building a base to which a politician will need.

    Many networks/publications are already nothing more than simple propaganda machines trying to spit our their masters will onto the populace as fast as they can vomit it out. It is all a bunch of billionaires looking after their own interests, and liberal or conservative, they both share one thing in common and that is they are massively wealthy and want to stay that way, and want more. This is just another tool in the tool box to that end.

    1. Re:Corporate Democracy by ricketson · · Score: 1

      The wealthy have always owned the state... starting with Washington, Adams, and Jefferson (and the King before them). The state was created by and for the wealthy so that they could control the rest of the population (whether they be slaves or rednecks). The expansion of the franchise has only produced a superficial change -- the core dynamic has remained unchanged. The state is a system that enables a small fraction of the population to control the rest.

  33. Always dominated by families; how is this new? by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    How is the ownership of the Washington Post by Bezos any different than the past? Most major US newspapers have always been owned and controlled by a small handful of influential families. The Meyer and Graham families have traditionally owned and directly controlled the Post for most of its history (in addition to a whole slate of other interests like Kaplan and Slate), and those families have been active in the reporting and management of the newspaper. The New York Times for example has been owned by the Ochs-Sulzberger family for most of its history; even if it's "public" now, the vast majority of shares are still controlled by them. This doesn't even start talking about the other, newer media families like the Murdochs, the Turners and now the Buffett family through Berkshire Hathaway. The only thing that's different is that a new player has entered into the space, but the concerns levied against Bezos could easily be applied to the historic owners of other newspaper and media outlets.

  34. Easy Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just have each paper owned by a billionaire investor who is interested in protection of something different than the next paper.
    Diversity of interests in owners should be sufficient

  35. Pittsburgh Tribune-Review by ricketson · · Score: 1

    The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review follows exactly this model. It was revived by Richard Mellon Scaife (a dual trust-fund baby who also bankrolled the character assassination of President Bill Clinton) as a conservative alternative to the Post-Gazette. According to Scaife's divorce records, he continued to dump tons of money into this well after the newspaper had captured a sizable market. I think (and hope) that everyone in Pittsburgh is fully aware that the only reason this newspaper exists is to spout conservative propaganda.

    It also has/had a good comics section.