LOL java as designed when one company *coughmicrosoftcough* doesn't mess with it is completely cross platform. A properly coded java app will run on any os as long as they have proper java libs. It also helps if the system doesn't have a nuetered version of java like what microsoft did with xp till the doj told them to remove it and some linux distros do by pushing the sub par blackdown jre/jdk or like debain with their 'icedtea' java implimentation..
considering they neutered html5's portability to other os's. http://www.i-programmer.info/news/126-os/3055-winrt-the-new-windows.html "Admittedly you can now use HTML and JavaScript to create the same sort of application but it isn't clear why you would want to. The JavaScript that you have to write isn't like any JavaScript you would write anywhere else because of the need to call so many internal system methods. This isn't standards-compliant HTML5/CSS/JavaScript but a custom environment. In short, your Windows HTML5 apps will work on Windows 8 and nothing else unless you customize them heavily."
which leaves all other os's out cold, again. yes we still do.
"For those of us power users with big desktops and multiple screens with 10+ windows open... guess what... that's not going away. You just launch Explorer, and have a full desktop window manager."
except if you dl the actual dev preview you will see that no, you can not just dismiss metro like the xp/vista/7 theme. explorer IS metro now. your 'desktop' app is just a task bar and wallpaper. the start menu is not the normal metro ui start screen. also you will have a metro ui panel docked on the right hand side of the screen. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4771/Charm.png thats what the new 'desktop' looks like. but if you press the start button or the windows key on the keyboard THIS returns. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4771/StartWin82.png no way to remove it or disable it. THIS is the new windows ui, no if's ands or buts. Microsoft has jumped off the deep end and seems to have declared the tried, true desktop method that everyone is used to 'dead'
Expect more of this. a full command environment with access to all the hardware on the system before the os boots? it's almost as if it was written 'for' virus and malware makers.
ever hear of cpu architecture? as long as the binary's are built against arm v7 which the latest arm chips can run it will run on any device. also the chips come with a standard powervr gpu(except nvidia's tegra) so again drivers will be much simpler then x86/x86-64.
incorrect. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4771/microsoft-build-windows-8-pre-beta-preview/1 the window's 7 like desktop is only there for compatibility with programs not made for the metro ui. it provides only a task bar and desktop. the old start menu is gone. launching it will result in being kicked back to the metro ui. also on the right side of the desktop will be a metro ui panel.
nope. you cannot if you look through the toms hardware hands on all you get is the task bar and better view of the wallpaper. pressing the windows key or the start button on the task bar relaunches the metro ui. also you have on the right hand of the screen a docked metro ui panel. so no you can not turn it off the normal windows desktop as far as Microsoft is concerned is dead after windows 7.
Who cares about windows? if this gets a arm laptop with decent performance into the market i will just buy it, wipe windows off of it and put linux on it.
The not so funny thing about this statement is it can be used with only changing the country names as justification for banning vpn use here in the united states.
When a public figure is caught doing something he was telling other people not to do? why? because 'i don't want anyone else but me and my buddies getting it instead of you.' or 'all other (insert group like gays or lesbians here) are evil except for me so that's why'. Neither gets people to follow you nor votes.
1. a physical keyboard for a handheld is not all it's cracked up to be. sure it's fine but with a good touch screen. better then the pandora's you can do without it. with a larger, multi-touch, capacitive screen. a on screen keyboard will not be much of a pain nor any slower.
2. since it looks like at this point a normal arm chip rather then a custom mipps will power it, the vita once the drm is hacked will be able to run various arm linux distro's providing a cheaper, more abundant and more powerful Home brew platform. you may value complete openness but even the majority of the people on the home brew scene only care about what works. I fully expect what little software support for the less then 1000(closer to 4-5 hundred from what i figure) pandora's in the wild the console is basically doa.
3. claim your not competing all you want but you still are regardless, because you still have to convince people. even those who use foss that you can either provide them with better entertainment then the mainstream consoles. Or that it's a must have device to buy on top of the mainstream consoles. previous the vita, and previous the pandora home brew on consoles was to say rather limited and they tended to jump platforms at the drop of the hat when one was hacked with more capable hardware. for example the psp home brew scene virtually died over night with a lot of the software stopped being updated and the custom firmware too when the ps3 was hacked. once the vita is hacked and if the pandora project is still around you 'will' loose devs in the same way. it has newer hardware at a cheaper price. $250 for the non 3g version. while the first batchers like myself payed $300. Unless your one of the idiots who payed $500 for a premium one.
which brings me to point 4
4. In all honest truth the project is dead. it's dead and their fault because evildragon full of arrogance thought he knew what he was doing but did not do any research beforehand thinking his experience making and selling cables for other home brew uses was enough. mistake one and a big one was how he went on about paying for the project. you get loans first before taking pre-orders to pay them off. it gives you a bit more flexibility. second you don't put hundreds of thousands of dollars into a personal bank account, doing so makes the bank think your a sudden drug dealer or similar criminal. he should of set up a corporate account or at least TALKED to his bank on what to do for a big influx of cash. three when negotiating production contracts never state your budget and always put in time clauses, extra money if they finish early and penalties if they finish late. or at least the latter, this is the main reason why circut-co has been fscking with them. they have no incentive to treat them well when they have nothing to gain from it compared to putting them off to the last minute while dealing with other work where finishing early means extra pay. fourth know what you can handle, four thousand units is a damn bit ambitious for such a young company on such a small scale. instead of four thousand units for the first batch he should of done one thousand or less. this would of made testing easier, repairs easier, and much easier on their pocketbooks.
Honestly when they announced that the pcb's from circuit-co have been sitting around long enough for the contacts to corrode, i realized they had been dealt a fatal blow. before this they were just limping along and hoping to break even from reading between the lines.
oh and one last piece of advice, don't name something pandora:P
your not the only one. once the system gets rooted i can see it becoming the favorite of the home brew scene killing off other home-brew projects like how the first rooting of the ps3 almost completely killed off the psp home-brew scene.
Someone would eat the pandora's lunch. I can already hear those people that are still in line for the first batch stampeding to the vita, once it's jail broken there will be no need for the pandora.
You see when your dealing with drm such as this it's not a matter of doing something 'wrong' but using a device that the people who make this drm, in this case both Microsoft and the makers of hdcp deem wrong. your probably using a different capture card then my friend, and while it works now. later you will, not if, be in the same boat as him.
1. The protected video and audio path for example. the polling of the hardware to check to see if things are secure. this kind of software behavior is only in software designed around the concept of the user being the 'enemy'.
2. friend and former coworker, wanted to record gaming matches from his xbox360. both windows 7 and the console refused. the recording device was detected as a 'non- trusted piece of hardware' not only did the xbox360 refuse to display anything, but 7 and the recording software refused to even record the blank screen.
3. another friend, one who i have been with a decent while won't switch from xp to 7 because of this and the fact that 7 refuses to display on his still good few year old couple thousand dollar tv because it doesn't consider the connection 'protected'.
Piracy is not the cause, it's mostly the scape goat because you can NEVER get rid of it. The problem is the media companies & the w.o.w. software model system.
The former can't seem to get their head's out of their rear ends to realize that the days of them spoon feeding media content on their own terms are over. release windows(in theaters for a few weeks, then gone, then on sale, then gone, then finally in the rental store and ppv. rinse and repeat with movie regions.) are dead. they push for more draconian drm because they don't want to admit to the fact that in the new landscape your in control of when & how you want to see something instead of them. pirates were around all the way back to the start of the media companies(most of them STARTED from being pirates because they did not want to pay Edison the licence fees.). they have existed all through the history and never really put any sort of dent in their profits at all.
the World of Warcraft & software as a service model system is to blame too. Microsoft and apple along with several game companies want to go from selling a product and giving free support for the product to making it so that the software you buy is 'not' software but a service. one they can charge monthly fees to use. one they charge for patches, upgrades, content. generally at little or no cost to them since for example most games with dlc make everything in one go, cut parts out by putting them behind activation codes or totally by removing them from the 'gold rtm code base' only to sell them as dlc later. what they don't tell you is that the cost of the game is normally recouped from the initial sale of the game. the money gotten from dlc and subscription is nearly 100% profit. For world of Warcraft the monthly subscription cost compared to that of bandwidth cost and server space is about 70-85% profit. it's so low because they own their own servers and it really doesn't take that much space disk wise to keep track of a single character. a few KB really.
That's the fallacy your ars technica link uses to attack the people pointing out bad drm in vista, 7, and now 8. Just because most people will not notice or run into it doesn't make it any better that the os is now designed around the model of preventing the owner of the machine to use the machine how he or she wants to because some media companies are paranoid.
Apple doesn't care if it wins or looses, they know they could wait out any competitor legally in this situation so the BEST result apple wants is a long drawn out legal battle where it's on again off again ruled that the competing product is either not sold or sold in too short of a supply. They are doing this because they know that left alone the galaxy tab will eat alive their cash cow that has at the 'least' a 100% market up of what it's actually worth with a lower price and better features while not being locked down in job's pre-school garden.
Maybe jobs will eventually learn that the best way to get your tech adopted by the masses is to allow the porn industry in, it seems to have worked for vhs, dvd, blue-ray, streaming, and the internet in general.
The key Difference is that those games were put on steam 'after' the release of their source code. doom, quake, quake2, quake3, etc. doom three came out just before steam as well. Rage will be the first game made by them with the possibility of source code release a few years down the line that has the steam platform integrated in. I am just saying that assuming; 1, steam is still around in a few years time. 2. id is still around in a few years time. that if both conditions are met then it is not likely that id will open source the rage(id tech 5) engine. because it's steam hooks will help others crack other at that time current titles on steam. I have seen others play cracked steam games because they have been fed up with steam's drm and they would crash every few hours or won't start up properly once in three tries.
Ad-homium. I find it funny though the same people who say 'don't agree with it? don't buy it.' say that, then say something along the lines you did when they encounter someone 'actually' practicing what they preach.
for the record, i have not used windows for almost a decade because i did not like how they bent over backwards to abstract video and sound hardware for no other purpose but to continually monitor if the media content your watching or listening too is legal. stability was a side benefit. If a game has a non-steam version i do get that one instead hoping that my vote with my money helps them to realize that they should not lock themselves into a single platform.
But if your happy with being treated that way even after paying, go ahead. I won't stop you.
gets sucked into steam.. sorry but i rather not be treated as a pirate first and a customer second. sadly most games including many indie titles have now jumped onto this bandwagon. used to be a pretty avid gamer, not so much anymore. steam pushed me away because i did not want to trade being treated well as a customer for the 'oh shiny' aspect of being able to piss off my isp for downloading multi-gig games and a in game chat function with other people playing other games.
Sadly though this also means that the release of the doom3 source code will most likely be the last time id releases their engine source code to the community. like it or not steam is a drm platform first and foremost. So by tying in steam into id tech 5 means that the release of the source code will be a no go because it might allow others to de-steam other titles easier.
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LOL java as designed when one company *coughmicrosoftcough* doesn't mess with it is completely cross platform. A properly coded java app will run on any os as long as they have proper java libs.
It also helps if the system doesn't have a nuetered version of java like what microsoft did with xp till the doj told them to remove it and some linux distros do by pushing the sub par blackdown jre/jdk or like debain with their 'icedtea' java implimentation..
When the judges on the supreme court are corporatism friendly it becomes legal.
considering they neutered html5's portability to other os's.
http://www.i-programmer.info/news/126-os/3055-winrt-the-new-windows.html
"Admittedly you can now use HTML and JavaScript to create the same sort of application but it isn't clear why you would want to. The JavaScript that you have to write isn't like any JavaScript you would write anywhere else because of the need to call so many internal system methods. This isn't standards-compliant HTML5/CSS/JavaScript but a custom environment. In short, your Windows HTML5 apps will work on Windows 8 and nothing else unless you customize them heavily."
which leaves all other os's out cold, again. yes we still do.
"For those of us power users with big desktops and multiple screens with 10+ windows open... guess what... that's not going away. You just launch Explorer, and have a full desktop window manager."
except if you dl the actual dev preview you will see that no, you can not just dismiss metro like the xp/vista/7 theme. explorer IS metro now. your 'desktop' app is just a task bar and wallpaper. the start menu is not the normal metro ui start screen. also you will have a metro ui panel docked on the right hand side of the screen.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4771/Charm.png thats what the new 'desktop' looks like. but if you press the start button or the windows key on the keyboard THIS returns.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4771/StartWin82.png
no way to remove it or disable it. THIS is the new windows ui, no if's ands or buts. Microsoft has jumped off the deep end and seems to have declared the tried, true desktop method that everyone is used to 'dead'
Expect more of this. a full command environment with access to all the hardware on the system before the os boots? it's almost as if it was written 'for' virus and malware makers.
ever hear of cpu architecture? as long as the binary's are built against arm v7 which the latest arm chips can run it will run on any device. also the chips come with a standard powervr gpu(except nvidia's tegra) so again drivers will be much simpler then x86/x86-64.
incorrect.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4771/microsoft-build-windows-8-pre-beta-preview/1
the window's 7 like desktop is only there for compatibility with programs not made for the metro ui. it provides only a task bar and desktop. the old start menu is gone. launching it will result in being kicked back to the metro ui. also on the right side of the desktop will be a metro ui panel.
sorry it'a anadtech not toms hardware...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4771/microsoft-build-windows-8-pre-beta-preview/1
nope. you cannot if you look through the toms hardware hands on all you get is the task bar and better view of the wallpaper. pressing the windows key or the start button on the task bar relaunches the metro ui. also you have on the right hand of the screen a docked metro ui panel. so no you can not turn it off the normal windows desktop as far as Microsoft is concerned is dead after windows 7.
Who cares about windows? if this gets a arm laptop with decent performance into the market i will just buy it, wipe windows off of it and put linux on it.
The not so funny thing about this statement is it can be used with only changing the country names as justification for banning vpn use here in the united states.
When a public figure is caught doing something he was telling other people not to do?
why? because 'i don't want anyone else but me and my buddies getting it instead of you.' or 'all other (insert group like gays or lesbians here) are evil except for me so that's why'. Neither gets people to follow you nor votes.
1. a physical keyboard for a handheld is not all it's cracked up to be. sure it's fine but with a good touch screen. better then the pandora's you can do without it. with a larger, multi-touch, capacitive screen. a on screen keyboard will not be much of a pain nor any slower.
2. since it looks like at this point a normal arm chip rather then a custom mipps will power it, the vita once the drm is hacked will be able to run various arm linux distro's providing a cheaper, more abundant and more powerful Home brew platform. you may value complete openness but even the majority of the people on the home brew scene only care about what works. I fully expect what little software support for the less then 1000(closer to 4-5 hundred from what i figure) pandora's in the wild the console is basically doa.
3. claim your not competing all you want but you still are regardless, because you still have to convince people. even those who use foss that you can either provide them with better entertainment then the mainstream consoles. Or that it's a must have device to buy on top of the mainstream consoles. previous the vita, and previous the pandora home brew on consoles was to say rather limited and they tended to jump platforms at the drop of the hat when one was hacked with more capable hardware. for example the psp home brew scene virtually died over night with a lot of the software stopped being updated and the custom firmware too when the ps3 was hacked. once the vita is hacked and if the pandora project is still around you 'will' loose devs in the same way. it has newer hardware at a cheaper price. $250 for the non 3g version. while the first batchers like myself payed $300. Unless your one of the idiots who payed $500 for a premium one.
which brings me to point 4
4. In all honest truth the project is dead. it's dead and their fault because evildragon full of arrogance thought he knew what he was doing but did not do any research beforehand thinking his experience making and selling cables for other home brew uses was enough. mistake one and a big one was how he went on about paying for the project. you get loans first before taking pre-orders to pay them off. it gives you a bit more flexibility. second you don't put hundreds of thousands of dollars into a personal bank account, doing so makes the bank think your a sudden drug dealer or similar criminal. he should of set up a corporate account or at least TALKED to his bank on what to do for a big influx of cash. three when negotiating production contracts never state your budget and always put in time clauses, extra money if they finish early and penalties if they finish late. or at least the latter, this is the main reason why circut-co has been fscking with them. they have no incentive to treat them well when they have nothing to gain from it compared to putting them off to the last minute while dealing with other work where finishing early means extra pay. fourth know what you can handle, four thousand units is a damn bit ambitious for such a young company on such a small scale. instead of four thousand units for the first batch he should of done one thousand or less. this would of made testing easier, repairs easier, and much easier on their pocketbooks.
Honestly when they announced that the pcb's from circuit-co have been sitting around long enough for the contacts to corrode, i realized they had been dealt a fatal blow. before this they were just limping along and hoping to break even from reading between the lines.
oh and one last piece of advice, don't name something pandora :P
your not the only one. once the system gets rooted i can see it becoming the favorite of the home brew scene killing off other home-brew projects like how the first rooting of the ps3 almost completely killed off the psp home-brew scene.
Someone would eat the pandora's lunch. I can already hear those people that are still in line for the first batch stampeding to the vita, once it's jail broken there will be no need for the pandora.
You see when your dealing with drm such as this it's not a matter of doing something 'wrong' but using a device that the people who make this drm, in this case both Microsoft and the makers of hdcp deem wrong. your probably using a different capture card then my friend, and while it works now. later you will, not if, be in the same boat as him.
1. The protected video and audio path for example. the polling of the hardware to check to see if things are secure. this kind of software behavior is only in software designed around the concept of the user being the 'enemy'.
2. friend and former coworker, wanted to record gaming matches from his xbox360. both windows 7 and the console refused. the recording device was detected as a 'non- trusted piece of hardware' not only did the xbox360 refuse to display anything, but 7 and the recording software refused to even record the blank screen.
3. another friend, one who i have been with a decent while won't switch from xp to 7 because of this and the fact that 7 refuses to display on his still good few year old couple thousand dollar tv because it doesn't consider the connection 'protected'.
Piracy is not the cause, it's mostly the scape goat because you can NEVER get rid of it.
The problem is the media companies & the w.o.w. software model system.
The former can't seem to get their head's out of their rear ends to realize that the days of them spoon feeding media content on their own terms are over. release windows(in theaters for a few weeks, then gone, then on sale, then gone, then finally in the rental store and ppv. rinse and repeat with movie regions.) are dead. they push for more draconian drm because they don't want to admit to the fact that in the new landscape your in control of when & how you want to see something instead of them. pirates were around all the way back to the start of the media companies(most of them STARTED from being pirates because they did not want to pay Edison the licence fees.). they have existed all through the history and never really put any sort of dent in their profits at all.
the World of Warcraft & software as a service model system is to blame too. Microsoft and apple along with several game companies want to go from selling a product and giving free support for the product to making it so that the software you buy is 'not' software but a service. one they can charge monthly fees to use. one they charge for patches, upgrades, content. generally at little or no cost to them since for example most games with dlc make everything in one go, cut parts out by putting them behind activation codes or totally by removing them from the 'gold rtm code base' only to sell them as dlc later. what they don't tell you is that the cost of the game is normally recouped from the initial sale of the game. the money gotten from dlc and subscription is nearly 100% profit. For world of Warcraft the monthly subscription cost compared to that of bandwidth cost and server space is about 70-85% profit. it's so low because they own their own servers and it really doesn't take that much space disk wise to keep track of a single character. a few KB really.
argumentum ad populum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
That's the fallacy your ars technica link uses to attack the people pointing out bad drm in vista, 7, and now 8. Just because most people will not notice or run into it doesn't make it any better that the os is now designed around the model of preventing the owner of the machine to use the machine how he or she wants to because some media companies are paranoid.
Apple doesn't care if it wins or looses, they know they could wait out any competitor legally in this situation so the BEST result apple wants is a long drawn out legal battle where it's on again off again ruled that the competing product is either not sold or sold in too short of a supply.
They are doing this because they know that left alone the galaxy tab will eat alive their cash cow that has at the 'least' a 100% market up of what it's actually worth with a lower price and better features while not being locked down in job's pre-school garden.
Maybe jobs will eventually learn that the best way to get your tech adopted by the masses is to allow the porn industry in, it seems to have worked for vhs, dvd, blue-ray, streaming, and the internet in general.
The key Difference is that those games were put on steam 'after' the release of their source code. doom, quake, quake2, quake3, etc. doom three came out just before steam as well. Rage will be the first game made by them with the possibility of source code release a few years down the line that has the steam platform integrated in.
I am just saying that assuming; 1, steam is still around in a few years time. 2. id is still around in a few years time. that if both conditions are met then it is not likely that id will open source the rage(id tech 5) engine. because it's steam hooks will help others crack other at that time current titles on steam.
I have seen others play cracked steam games because they have been fed up with steam's drm and they would crash every few hours or won't start up properly once in three tries.
Ad-homium.
I find it funny though the same people who say 'don't agree with it? don't buy it.' say that, then say something along the lines you did when they encounter someone 'actually' practicing what they preach.
for the record, i have not used windows for almost a decade because i did not like how they bent over backwards to abstract video and sound hardware for no other purpose but to continually monitor if the media content your watching or listening too is legal. stability was a side benefit.
If a game has a non-steam version i do get that one instead hoping that my vote with my money helps them to realize that they should not lock themselves into a single platform.
But if your happy with being treated that way even after paying, go ahead. I won't stop you.
I don't. never bought one game that needs steam.
gets sucked into steam.. sorry but i rather not be treated as a pirate first and a customer second. sadly most games including many indie titles have now jumped onto this bandwagon.
used to be a pretty avid gamer, not so much anymore. steam pushed me away because i did not want to trade being treated well as a customer for the 'oh shiny' aspect of being able to piss off my isp for downloading multi-gig games and a in game chat function with other people playing other games.
Sadly though this also means that the release of the doom3 source code will most likely be the last time id releases their engine source code to the community. like it or not steam is a drm platform first and foremost. So by tying in steam into id tech 5 means that the release of the source code will be a no go because it might allow others to de-steam other titles easier.
It's not cross platform because xbox360 runs on windows built for the ppc chip inside. cross platform would be directx being able to run on mac os x.