Ok, wasn't trying to flame. But since it would be "just silly" to build a computer and not put an OS on it, I inferred the building of the entire thing, OS included.
Hey, and don't be joking on legos. Have you tried some of the Technix(?) models? It was a lot harder than I expected.
why do we have a planet that doesn't follow the plane?
It marches to the beat of a different drummer. Its the "alternative" planet.
is it slowly falling into line with the rest?
Yes, they always do.
Was Pluto originally extra-solar?
We were all "extra-solar" at one point or another...know what I mean.
Could it have developed in this eccentric orbit if it were originally part of the solar system when it formed?
If it were originally a part of the "system" then it wouldn't seem so eccentic now would it?
Is it possible that Pluto somehow, amongst the billions of years our system has been around, floated into orbit here for good, from Out There?
Yeah, it got bored and had nothing better to do the next few billion years or so.
And if so, if there are enough of these free-floating masses out there, what kind of percentage of the unobservable 'dark matter' might this account for?
Even then, did you actually build it? Maybe not you specifically, but I would bet that *most* of the linux users haven't actually "built" their system any more than a windows user. Popping in a Ubuntu or Red Hat install cd and following the prompts doesn't mean you "built" it.
The whole "we" built it thing to...what do you think actually happens behind the closed doors in Redmond? There is a whole other culture of "we" on the inside that probably thinks the same as you about Linux and its surrounding products/projects.
Reason point missed: Why have computers that have audio out then because that is what stereos are for, or games on computers because that is what consoles for, or video on computers because that is what TV is for, or internet news because that is what the 8'clock new is for. Devices capable of performing multiple tasks have several advantages. First, they reduce the total number of devices we have to own, and in the "mobile" arena where (carrying/storage) space is limited, fewer IS better. Second, if they integrate functions then it CAN be useful. You get a phone call, and your music lowers, shows you who is calling and then you have the option of answering. If you do, then you don't have to switch out headphones, pause the music, etc. If you don't answer, then your music goes back to normal and life is good.
Reason the point was gotten: Specialized devices USUALLY do perform better than these all-in-wonders. Plus, if you aren't satisfied with one device, you can upgrade the individual components as you wish instead of a wholesale change of devices.
I use a PDA phone because of the synchronization aspect. I make changes on my desktop and they are synced to my phone (contacts (ie phone numbers), calendar, files, etc) and so essentially that handles my backup problems. I can get a new phone, transfer all of my data from my pc. Or if I got a new computer, I could transfer all of my data from my phone.
That convenience does come at a cost though. The form factor isn't as good as a "normal" phone. If I were to go back to a normal phone, I would want a barebones model that was small and "just worked" like the old-school nokias.
What's with this whole "one piece stop shop" MP3 phone obsession anyway?
I don't know, but it is a little out of hand though.
The money issue is another thing, but they won't not accept you because they thing you are unable to pay for it. They'll accept you as a student, it's up to you to figure out the financials.
Correct
The two issues are inextricably linked, however. If you get accepted to Ivy League X school based on your grades etc. but can't afford to pay for whatever reason, it's the same as not having been accepted....
Incorrect. Granted I share the same "cultural advantages" as you, but your question of "affording" is completely wrong because you have already proven my coming point. Before I start, I am in no means bashing state/public schools so don't get that impression. What my point is, is that you will get what you pay for. The education that you actually receive may only be marginally "better" at a pricier/private school, but 1) the prestige 2) contacts you'll make will (in the long run) greatly outweigh the initial financial costs.
So my point is this. If you are accepted to a "good" school but don't think you can afford it, then you are wrong (don't argue, because you can...it might take work but you can). Even if you go into debt while in school (loans, etc) the long term benefits will greatly outweigh ANY cost that you'll incur while in schoool.
As a side note, my school is continuing to go UP in the rankings, therefore making my degree even more prestigious...and I'm not having to do anything! It almost justifies the outrageous cost of my tuition...
Thats great for you, but how many times has solitare crashed for you? Well if your answer is like most all XP/Windows users, then ***that*** is what is defined as stable for them. AND, solitare has been redesigned! A (if not THE) reason for people to upgrade!
I was this option: "I understand the risks, stop bugging the hell out of me"?
I'm probably in the same boat, but *most* users aren't. By having that option, then will inevidably check it, get infected with spyware, and then the/. crowd gets to bash M$ for having an insecure OS, browser, etc.
I'm sure that there is more thought put into what is turned on by default, and security profiles than *most*/.'ers give them credit for.
Now that isn't to say that there aren't some bad things that have come Redmond that deserved the bashing...
I'll check the book out. I have been frustrated in the past with languages (ColdFusion for a project at school, assembly..., and other nuances of different languages), but all in all I don't guess I've ever really come to love/hate a language. I especially haven't liked a language enough to have to "defend" it.
...if only to make you appreciate how much you like the others you already know
Exactly.
While I do understand that different languages have strengths and weaknesses. At least with the type of projects that i have had to work on (ususally smaller in scope) the language was not the biggest factor. Either my or my teams knowledge had much more to do with the problems that came up. The better programmers could work through any shortcomings, and the "others" would create problems that really had nothing to do with the language.
I'm getting ready to start up some different projects, and even though it is probably best for me to stick with something I know, I would had to miss out on a chance to 1) learn something new 2) use an inferior tool
There have been some very useful comments, but that very succinctly got your point across (as to your dislike).
So I have to ask, what are your feelings on perl? It has several ways to achieve the same thing. However, at the same time you could know a small subset very well and be able to acomplish most any task?
My current job doesn't really require me to do that much scriping, but when it does, I usually go to perl. I've never used python although it seems to be a good alternative. Also, even though it has been around for a while and so it stable it seems as though it has just recently (last couple of years) really hit the mainstream.
Then YOU don't use them...I understand your feelings about open-source, but how does that statement get modded interesting?
Your type of attitude is just as stifling as proprietary offerings..."If your not open, then you are evil and must be destroyed. I'm taking my source and going home"
I'll play a risky card here. I see the value of open source and support it, but that doesn't mean it has to be the only game in town. Same thing with democracy. It is a superior gov't. However, does that mean we should crush all gov'ts that aren't democratic? I know a stretch, but the same principle applies. We have to be able to coexist with things that don't share our exact same viewpoints. So, you don't have to willingly support closed programs, but fighting against them is just as counter productive as not helping at all.
That is a good point. Especially considering the wealth level. If they just create a blog that gives them pennies a day, that is still likely a lot more than they would get from working in their own markets.
Small blogs and scams will occur from this. But hopefully somewhere in those countires there is a kid with an idea. He'll start it, and get his friends to help him out. He'd just tell them, why make pennies a day scamming when (if we pull this off) we'll make millions.
Hopefully we'll benefit more from that one kid and his idea more than we'll be bothered with the hundreds of other kids spamming. That is the idea at least.
I understand that concern. Unfortunately, x% probably will spam, create AdSense blogs, etc. However, the hope is that there will be a y% of those 4 million new computers that will do something productive. Currently the values of x and y are unknown but the hope is that the good brought by y is greater than the damage brought by x...only time will tell.
Ok, so 5 of the first 7 comments were trolling about how bad PHP is, insecure, buggy, etc (and I think they even managed to take a shot at Bush???)
I've used PHP for some very small applications/sites. Can anyone give an unbiased (almost impossible I know) state of affairs for PHP? I know that it is a pretty common tool, has its strengths and weaknesses. However, is it really that bad or is bashing it just the current/. thing to do?
Well, I was being a little over-zealous with the blanket statement. There are always exceptions to the rule...just kidding.
I'm all for better vehicles, better economy, etc. However I do get a little perturbed with people that want to try to force people into their viewpoint through whatever means. I like my sports car because it is well, fast. We have the SUV because it is convenient. Do we really need that large of a vehicle all the time, no. However, it is very useful when we do need to haul stuff or several people. So given the choice of driving a smaller more efficient vehicle and having the ability to carry more stuff when I need to I'm going to go with the larger vehicle...just in case the need arises.
I'm the proud owner of a sports car and and SUV, so I've got all the bases covered. Anyway, gas-guzzling or whatever, both of my vehicles are my choices, and reflect my personal interests. You are more than welcome to drive whatever you desire, however, please allow me to do the same. Chaining yourself to a tree isn't going to make me want to drive something different...so just stop already!
Don't get me wrong, but even though *my* personal information is more valuable than a "free" computer, could it not be beneficial for others? I'm not advocating this style of business, but we tend to look at these types of businesses as being targeted at us (us being fellow/.ers)
If I was just scraping by, and could not afford a new computer and internet access...would my personal information be a worthwhile trade then? I'm not in that situation, so I can't really answer that (and probably most of us can't either), but to some people this does probably look like a tempting offer.
Granted, the people behind these businesses aren't looking out for their customers, but in some senses, there could be mutual benefit.
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Ok, I'll put an end to this pointless slash-war. I've updated the sig. Maybe this will be thwart future sig attacks.
I can see both sides of the argument, but do you really want a two-way connection through your browser?
Think of someone who scrunanizes /. signatures and then think...all the world (or at least should) has less time on their hands.
I got that from somewhere else, and I don't know the source. If it really bothers you that much track them down...
Ok, wasn't trying to flame. But since it would be "just silly" to build a computer and not put an OS on it, I inferred the building of the entire thing, OS included. Hey, and don't be joking on legos. Have you tried some of the Technix(?) models? It was a lot harder than I expected.
It marches to the beat of a different drummer. Its the "alternative" planet.
Yes, they always do.
We were all "extra-solar" at one point or another...know what I mean.
If it were originally a part of the "system" then it wouldn't seem so eccentic now would it?
Yeah, it got bored and had nothing better to do the next few billion years or so.
Obviouslly, 42
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all day.
Even then, did you actually build it? Maybe not you specifically, but I would bet that *most* of the linux users haven't actually "built" their system any more than a windows user. Popping in a Ubuntu or Red Hat install cd and following the prompts doesn't mean you "built" it.
The whole "we" built it thing to...what do you think actually happens behind the closed doors in Redmond? There is a whole other culture of "we" on the inside that probably thinks the same as you about Linux and its surrounding products/projects.
Reason the point was gotten: Specialized devices USUALLY do perform better than these all-in-wonders. Plus, if you aren't satisfied with one device, you can upgrade the individual components as you wish instead of a wholesale change of devices.
I use a PDA phone because of the synchronization aspect. I make changes on my desktop and they are synced to my phone (contacts (ie phone numbers), calendar, files, etc) and so essentially that handles my backup problems. I can get a new phone, transfer all of my data from my pc. Or if I got a new computer, I could transfer all of my data from my phone.
That convenience does come at a cost though. The form factor isn't as good as a "normal" phone. If I were to go back to a normal phone, I would want a barebones model that was small and "just worked" like the old-school nokias.
I don't know, but it is a little out of hand though.
Incorrect. Granted I share the same "cultural advantages" as you, but your question of "affording" is completely wrong because you have already proven my coming point. Before I start, I am in no means bashing state/public schools so don't get that impression. What my point is, is that you will get what you pay for. The education that you actually receive may only be marginally "better" at a pricier/private school, but 1) the prestige 2) contacts you'll make will (in the long run) greatly outweigh the initial financial costs.
So my point is this. If you are accepted to a "good" school but don't think you can afford it, then you are wrong (don't argue, because you can...it might take work but you can). Even if you go into debt while in school (loans, etc) the long term benefits will greatly outweigh ANY cost that you'll incur while in schoool.
As a side note, my school is continuing to go UP in the rankings, therefore making my degree even more prestigious...and I'm not having to do anything! It almost justifies the outrageous cost of my tuition...
Thats great for you, but how many times has solitare crashed for you? Well if your answer is like most all XP/Windows users, then ***that*** is what is defined as stable for them. AND, solitare has been redesigned! A (if not THE) reason for people to upgrade!
I guess I should add "- Anonymous" to the end. That is unless you know who was the first to say it...
I'm sure that there is more thought put into what is turned on by default, and security profiles than *most*
Now that isn't to say that there aren't some bad things that have come Redmond that deserved the bashing...
That is horrible...this is more like it:
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Exactly.
While I do understand that different languages have strengths and weaknesses. At least with the type of projects that i have had to work on (ususally smaller in scope) the language was not the biggest factor. Either my or my teams knowledge had much more to do with the problems that came up. The better programmers could work through any shortcomings, and the "others" would create problems that really had nothing to do with the language.
I'm getting ready to start up some different projects, and even though it is probably best for me to stick with something I know, I would had to miss out on a chance to 1) learn something new 2) use an inferior tool
There have been some very useful comments, but that very succinctly got your point across (as to your dislike).
So I have to ask, what are your feelings on perl? It has several ways to achieve the same thing. However, at the same time you could know a small subset very well and be able to acomplish most any task?
My current job doesn't really require me to do that much scriping, but when it does, I usually go to perl. I've never used python although it seems to be a good alternative. Also, even though it has been around for a while and so it stable it seems as though it has just recently (last couple of years) really hit the mainstream.
Then YOU don't use them...I understand your feelings about open-source, but how does that statement get modded interesting?
Your type of attitude is just as stifling as proprietary offerings..."If your not open, then you are evil and must be destroyed. I'm taking my source and going home"
I'll play a risky card here. I see the value of open source and support it, but that doesn't mean it has to be the only game in town. Same thing with democracy. It is a superior gov't. However, does that mean we should crush all gov'ts that aren't democratic? I know a stretch, but the same principle applies. We have to be able to coexist with things that don't share our exact same viewpoints. So, you don't have to willingly support closed programs, but fighting against them is just as counter productive as not helping at all.
That is a good point. Especially considering the wealth level. If they just create a blog that gives them pennies a day, that is still likely a lot more than they would get from working in their own markets.
Small blogs and scams will occur from this. But hopefully somewhere in those countires there is a kid with an idea. He'll start it, and get his friends to help him out. He'd just tell them, why make pennies a day scamming when (if we pull this off) we'll make millions.
Hopefully we'll benefit more from that one kid and his idea more than we'll be bothered with the hundreds of other kids spamming. That is the idea at least.
I understand that concern. Unfortunately, x% probably will spam, create AdSense blogs, etc. However, the hope is that there will be a y% of those 4 million new computers that will do something productive. Currently the values of x and y are unknown but the hope is that the good brought by y is greater than the damage brought by x...only time will tell.
Ok, so 5 of the first 7 comments were trolling about how bad PHP is, insecure, buggy, etc (and I think they even managed to take a shot at Bush???)
/. thing to do?
I've used PHP for some very small applications/sites. Can anyone give an unbiased (almost impossible I know) state of affairs for PHP? I know that it is a pretty common tool, has its strengths and weaknesses. However, is it really that bad or is bashing it just the current
Well, I was being a little over-zealous with the blanket statement. There are always exceptions to the rule...just kidding.
I'm all for better vehicles, better economy, etc. However I do get a little perturbed with people that want to try to force people into their viewpoint through whatever means. I like my sports car because it is well, fast. We have the SUV because it is convenient. Do we really need that large of a vehicle all the time, no. However, it is very useful when we do need to haul stuff or several people. So given the choice of driving a smaller more efficient vehicle and having the ability to carry more stuff when I need to I'm going to go with the larger vehicle...just in case the need arises.
- More likely to get a woman to ride with you
Good luck getting a chick in a mini-van...I'm the proud owner of a sports car and and SUV, so I've got all the bases covered. Anyway, gas-guzzling or whatever, both of my vehicles are my choices, and reflect my personal interests. You are more than welcome to drive whatever you desire, however, please allow me to do the same. Chaining yourself to a tree isn't going to make me want to drive something different...so just stop already!
Don't get me wrong, but even though *my* personal information is more valuable than a "free" computer, could it not be beneficial for others? I'm not advocating this style of business, but we tend to look at these types of businesses as being targeted at us (us being fellow /.ers)
If I was just scraping by, and could not afford a new computer and internet access...would my personal information be a worthwhile trade then? I'm not in that situation, so I can't really answer that (and probably most of us can't either), but to some people this does probably look like a tempting offer.
Granted, the people behind these businesses aren't looking out for their customers, but in some senses, there could be mutual benefit.
Except through the taxes we pay that "indirectly" support the big corps