What is this obsession or draw to people thinking it's fun to watch movies on your computer? My computer room, and by extension my little 24 and 28" monitors are NOT the place I find comfortable to sit down and watch movies.
My "computer room" is very comfy. Widescreen laptop is fine for watching movies in bed.
I don't own a TV, nor do I want one. I don't see the need for one.
DOSBox allows me to run Worms nicely on a PowerPC Mac
Okay, point. It lets you run applications on a dead platform and dead architecture.
Newer versions of DOSBox support x86 virtualisation when running on x86 (they only emulate interrupt instructions). Peripheral support in DOSBox is generally better - it emulates most things games want (joysticks and so on) and it lets you slow down the emulation easily so that you can run games written for the XT with fixed timing loops.
Dosemu provides this too actually. I quite like the advanced printer support.
Then you are basically wasting your time using SSL at all, as, without the ability to control the authentication part of the conversation, the encryption part is useless.
It prevents passive packet scanning/eaves dropping from being able to decipher the content.
So, I disagree.
It's not like it will stop man in the middle attacks. I can go ahead and buy right now a FQDN SSL certificate from the big name providers WITH NO VERIFICATION for www.google.com and do a man in the middle attack on any local 802.11b/g network here and intercept those communications.
BSD code can be incorporated into a GPL project because the BSD license is more "permissive".
To my understanding. It can't.
The BSD license has a advertising clause which is fully incompatible with the GPL. There is also a "simplified BSD" license approved by the OSI that is used by projects like FreeBSD which works similar to MIT licensing. Additionally because both licenses require that their BSD-centric copyright notice be reproduced with every copy, this adds additional restrictions, preventing the code from mixing with GPL because of added restrictions to redistribution and code usage.
I have seen those issues raised in the past by developers, leading to little 'wars' between GPL and BSD developers over code usage.
Whenever I start a new project I always look for existing solutions for my company to subsidize. LGPL, Apache, and the rest are fine, and that's why there's so much commercial support for those projects.
I've seen plenty of commercial support for GPL projects too. KDE, Gnome, Koffice, Pidgin, Yast, Mono etc.
It's just to damn bad there's so much GPL.
In certain circumstances (proprietary libraries that disallow us redistributing the source, both licensing completely conflicting with each other, preventing us from using both) it can get annoying, but having worked on some commercial projects that involved GPL applications, it hasn't really effected much.
Let's get the religion out of software development.
I agree, I am somewhat fed up of this pointless closed source religious non-sense that people keep building.
Before I got my Macbook Pro I compared it's price to similarly configured Windows laptops. A Dell was $200 more than the Mac and other laptops were about the same price. Not one of them was more than $100 less than my Mac. Here's a comparison of the costs of a Mac and a Dell, the specs are almost the same but the Dell is almost $1000 more. Don't tell me Macs are more expensive.
I have already answered you on your original thread, before you posted. But I will add, if you think the US prices are expensive, seriously, take a look at the UK prices.
Also, in Europe, Dell and Sony tend to be one of the more expensive laptop vendors compared to HP and ASUS for similar models (I remember the equivalent spec model for my £399 laptop from Sony was £250 more, while Dell was £400 - and that was having exactly the same components, except for the hard drive make).
The community is safer as a murderer of the third degree has been locked out of harms way.
Would he of murdered another? I don't think he would murder just anyone for making a remark. He had obviously deep invested emotions in his estranged wife that was into - well, quite, different things.
Jesus christ, who can afford either machine to begin with?
I'm just going to stick with my £399 laptop which costs the same price of a low end Mac mini, while it handles games better than the Macbook and MacBook pro.
Uhuh. Claim what you want. I have owned a Mac Mini and I am pretty aware of how capable it is compared to this machine, don't try to sell me bullshit.
If you look at comparable notebooks, desktops, whatever, the price between a Mac and a non-Mac is very comparable.
It's not really comparable, it's very difficult these days to find a laptop that doesn't come with card readers, webcams etc. Those that do tend to be business laptops that cost extra for no apparent reason.
Yes, Apple doesn't make things on the ultra cheap end.
I don't consider my current laptop ultra cheap. I could of got a cheap laptop, but I didn't.
But honestly, I consider Apple's hardware often cheap. How many times have I opened a Mac and discovered what looked like, overflowing thermal paste on the processor (I kid you not!), how many times have any Macs I've owned had "logicboard failures" for manufacturing/assembly defects (for some reason they can't just call it 'mainboard' or 'motherboard'), how many times have I suffered from weird defects/software issues that many people experience, but Apple completely chooses to ignore there is an issue entirely?
Too many, and I've owned, too many of their machines. So many, that, I think I have had a very good sample of quality of Apple machines in Europe.
They're not interested in the customers who are looking to pay bottom dollar.
I am not interested in paying bottom dollar actually, I just found that this laptop had all the specs I wanted (in particular a tonne of dedicated graphic card memory, more than any Mac laptop offers) and got it.
It seems to be working pretty well for them.
Their penetration of the market around the word is really poor except in the States -- I have to disagree. When was the last time I saw a Mac outside of my home? Well, uh... A year I think? That's how common they are.
On the other hand, the ReiserFS / Reiser4 code is something I feel could be worth saving still. But will the stigma of the Reiser name hamper any efforts to keep the project alive?
Personally I would think the killer filesystem would be a good selling point...
You say your are pleased with yours, but the DV6000 series is plagued with serious problems, related to heat primarily, but can also kill the slot used to hold the wireless card. Some discussion groups claim that as many as 1 in 7 have had serious issues requiring motherboard replacement.
I didn't know, thanks for telling me. But I haven't noticed any heat issues at all to be honest. This laptop has been a lot cooler than the Macbook Pros I've used.
If yours is under warranty, check your serial number. Either way, installing the latest BIOS update is highly recommended.
Only got it a few months ago.
While Macs are not immune to quality control issues either, comparing one of their machines to this engineering nightmare isn't terribly fair.
I've had continious "logicboard" failures on Macs. Please don't start with quality control and Macs with me, I've had my fair share of issues.
He said "worth their price" not cheaper. They are not the same concept.
I don't consider it worth the price either. A Mac Mini running OS X verses mentioned laptop running Vista.. I think I'd still go with the laptop running Vista - seems to have more features and power.
If you don't consider OS X an advantage, then don't get a Mac.
I can install OSx86 on most common x86 hardware, so the fact it runs OS X is not really a big thing to me. It might be a bit easier to get into initially with OS X, but being a techie, it doesn't really stop me. If I want to run a specific OS, I will run a OS.
With Linux or FreeBSD you get a decent OS, but no commercial software.
With Vista you get lots of software, but it's running on an OS deliberately designed to cripple what you can do with it.
I'm generally platform agnostic for the most part. Windows is best at running Windows software. Linux is best at running Linux-based software (and for some reason, some Windows games perform better for me on it). OS X is best at running OS X software.
OS X doesn't get you as good an OS as FreeBSD
Wine is very unstable on the BSDs actually and driver support is a large issue. Personally I prefer OpenBSD in the BSD range by the way.
and it doesn't get you as much software as Vista, but it gets you a WAY better OS than Vista, and WAY more software than any free UNIX.
Last time I tried, Wine support for various games, had to have specific driver hacks for each game (source: Codeweavers), thus preventing me from playing, the majority of games I enjoy on the Mac. The interface doesn't appeal to me because of how simplified it is in most cases. Never mind the developer tool chain is such a pain on OS X when it comes to crossplatform development (mixing of xcode, finf and macports to get a working cross-platform development environment is not very convenient for me).
Most of the free software I use, simply does not compile at all, or out of date and crash a lot on OS X. These is things from Krita to Amarok
If THAT is not worth anything to you, then that's fine, but it's what makes them wort their price for the people who do buy them.
Your points are in my opinion mostly invalid. As I've said before, Macs are affordable, but it is not cheaper in my opinion.
"Not overpriced" doesn't mean "cheaper" any more than "more expensive" means "overpriced".
I don't know what you're trying to imply here through vague statements. Do you want me to say Mac hardware is overpriced in my comparison?
I am not here to get into a OS war, but you are forcing me into a cornor where I feel I should refute certain points you've raised.
I can tell you plenty of issues on Linux, BSDs, Solaris, Windows I have. My initial post was really about the cost of hardware, nothing else.
Is it only me who thinks that while the ethos of OSS is "open and free for everyone", these licences are just a way of developers saying "I want my slice of the pie also" ?
No, I think OSS means Open Source Software. Which only guaranties you get access to sourcecode you can modify, nothing else. It doesn't mean the software is free either. Or that you can freely redistribute the sourcecode on any terms you want.
Now, if someone told me the sourcecode was public domain, that would be truely 'free' from anything.
I think we've also hit on one of the reasons Apple computers cost more than similar machines from Dell, HP, Lenovo, et al: Apple doesn't load down their Macs with a lot of third-party bloatware.
Sorry, the difference between Macs and PCs in price is too great to be just subsidized by this extra software.
I consider Macs to be well worth their price, I'm typing this on a $3000 Macbook Pro.:) $30 is what Best Buy charges to remove the bloatware, who knows the actual amount OEM's receive from these companies per PC. It could be significantly higher than $30.
I find Macs more expensive, hell, just look at my current laptop:
My HP DV6000 widescreen laptop which came with 2GB RAM, built in webcam, nvidia graphics card with 512MB dedicated RAM with all the essentials including wireless, bluetooth. Has HDMI, a built in SD card reader, remote control. It came with Vista, but I installed Kubuntu (A OS I currently prefer to Vista and OS X for workstation purposes at the moment) on it (which worked out of the box with it).
I bought this from Comet store for £399, and guess what... That is the cheapest price I can pay for a Mac, and a Mac Mini (I would provide a direct link, but Apple's store links expire) costs £399.
The only 'advantage' the Mac Mini has over this laptop is that it has a 1.83GHz processor, while this laptop has a 1.66GHz processor. But - this machine has been the best gaming and work machine I've ever had, I doubt the Mac mini would live up to that with just a tiny bit faster processor, it doesn't even have a decent graphic card with dedicated RAM.
Macs are certainly affordable now, but you seriously cannot tell me Macs are cheaper.
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I use a 32bit operating system you insensitive clod!
My "computer room" is very comfy. Widescreen laptop is fine for watching movies in bed.
I don't own a TV, nor do I want one. I don't see the need for one.
Okay, point. It lets you run applications on a dead platform and dead architecture.
Dosemu provides this too actually. I quite like the advanced printer support.
I have literally /always/ had better performance with dosemu for games, with out it taking much CPU usage. Hence why I use it.
Webkit can and does fit in that small amount of space. Also, it uses Webkit.
dosemu is superior.
It prevents passive packet scanning/eaves dropping from being able to decipher the content.
So, I disagree.
It's not like it will stop man in the middle attacks. I can go ahead and buy right now a FQDN SSL certificate from the big name providers WITH NO VERIFICATION for www.google.com and do a man in the middle attack on any local 802.11b/g network here and intercept those communications.
Do you at least play any FPSes with a mouse?
To my understanding. It can't.
The BSD license has a advertising clause which is fully incompatible with the GPL. There is also a "simplified BSD" license approved by the OSI that is used by projects like FreeBSD which works similar to MIT licensing. Additionally because both licenses require that their BSD-centric copyright notice be reproduced with every copy, this adds additional restrictions, preventing the code from mixing with GPL because of added restrictions to redistribution and code usage.
I have seen those issues raised in the past by developers, leading to little 'wars' between GPL and BSD developers over code usage.
It's for added realism to the game.
I've seen plenty of commercial support for GPL projects too. KDE, Gnome, Koffice, Pidgin, Yast, Mono etc.
In certain circumstances (proprietary libraries that disallow us redistributing the source, both licensing completely conflicting with each other, preventing us from using both) it can get annoying, but having worked on some commercial projects that involved GPL applications, it hasn't really effected much.
I agree, I am somewhat fed up of this pointless closed source religious non-sense that people keep building.
I have already answered you on your original thread, before you posted. But I will add, if you think the US prices are expensive, seriously, take a look at the UK prices.
Also, in Europe, Dell and Sony tend to be one of the more expensive laptop vendors compared to HP and ASUS for similar models (I remember the equivalent spec model for my £399 laptop from Sony was £250 more, while Dell was £400 - and that was having exactly the same components, except for the hard drive make).
Would he of murdered another? I don't think he would murder just anyone for making a remark. He had obviously deep invested emotions in his estranged wife that was into - well, quite, different things.
Jesus christ, who can afford either machine to begin with?
I'm just going to stick with my £399 laptop which costs the same price of a low end Mac mini, while it handles games better than the Macbook and MacBook pro.
Uhuh. Claim what you want. I have owned a Mac Mini and I am pretty aware of how capable it is compared to this machine, don't try to sell me bullshit.
It's not really comparable, it's very difficult these days to find a laptop that doesn't come with card readers, webcams etc. Those that do tend to be business laptops that cost extra for no apparent reason.
I don't consider my current laptop ultra cheap. I could of got a cheap laptop, but I didn't.
But honestly, I consider Apple's hardware often cheap. How many times have I opened a Mac and discovered what looked like, overflowing thermal paste on the processor (I kid you not!), how many times have any Macs I've owned had "logicboard failures" for manufacturing/assembly defects (for some reason they can't just call it 'mainboard' or 'motherboard'), how many times have I suffered from weird defects/software issues that many people experience, but Apple completely chooses to ignore there is an issue entirely?
Too many, and I've owned, too many of their machines. So many, that, I think I have had a very good sample of quality of Apple machines in Europe.
I am not interested in paying bottom dollar actually, I just found that this laptop had all the specs I wanted (in particular a tonne of dedicated graphic card memory, more than any Mac laptop offers) and got it.
Their penetration of the market around the word is really poor except in the States -- I have to disagree. When was the last time I saw a Mac outside of my home? Well, uh... A year I think? That's how common they are.
I doubt that model costs $300 in the UK.
Indeed, you can go look up the information yourself, I gave the model.
Personally I would think the killer filesystem would be a good selling point...
I didn't know, thanks for telling me. But I haven't noticed any heat issues at all to be honest. This laptop has been a lot cooler than the Macbook Pros I've used.
Only got it a few months ago.
I've had continious "logicboard" failures on Macs. Please don't start with quality control and Macs with me, I've had my fair share of issues.
I don't consider it worth the price either. A Mac Mini running OS X verses mentioned laptop running Vista.. I think I'd still go with the laptop running Vista - seems to have more features and power.
I can install OSx86 on most common x86 hardware, so the fact it runs OS X is not really a big thing to me. It might be a bit easier to get into initially with OS X, but being a techie, it doesn't really stop me. If I want to run a specific OS, I will run a OS.
Yeah, whatever.
I'm generally platform agnostic for the most part. Windows is best at running Windows software. Linux is best at running Linux-based software (and for some reason, some Windows games perform better for me on it). OS X is best at running OS X software.
Wine is very unstable on the BSDs actually and driver support is a large issue. Personally I prefer OpenBSD in the BSD range by the way.
Last time I tried, Wine support for various games, had to have specific driver hacks for each game (source: Codeweavers), thus preventing me from playing, the majority of games I enjoy on the Mac. The interface doesn't appeal to me because of how simplified it is in most cases. Never mind the developer tool chain is such a pain on OS X when it comes to crossplatform development (mixing of xcode, finf and macports to get a working cross-platform development environment is not very convenient for me).
Most of the free software I use, simply does not compile at all, or out of date and crash a lot on OS X. These is things from Krita to Amarok
Your points are in my opinion mostly invalid. As I've said before, Macs are affordable, but it is not cheaper in my opinion.
I don't know what you're trying to imply here through vague statements. Do you want me to say Mac hardware is overpriced in my comparison?
I am not here to get into a OS war, but you are forcing me into a cornor where I feel I should refute certain points you've raised.
I can tell you plenty of issues on Linux, BSDs, Solaris, Windows I have. My initial post was really about the cost of hardware, nothing else.
All of the other reasons as my imagination is very poor and cannot come up with any excuses.
I thought GPL licensing was incompatible with BSD?
No, I think OSS means Open Source Software. Which only guaranties you get access to sourcecode you can modify, nothing else. It doesn't mean the software is free either. Or that you can freely redistribute the sourcecode on any terms you want.
Now, if someone told me the sourcecode was public domain, that would be truely 'free' from anything.
Sorry, the difference between Macs and PCs in price is too great to be just subsidized by this extra software.
I find Macs more expensive, hell, just look at my current laptop:
My HP DV6000 widescreen laptop which came with 2GB RAM, built in webcam, nvidia graphics card with 512MB dedicated RAM with all the essentials including wireless, bluetooth. Has HDMI, a built in SD card reader, remote control. It came with Vista, but I installed Kubuntu (A OS I currently prefer to Vista and OS X for workstation purposes at the moment) on it (which worked out of the box with it).
I bought this from Comet store for £399, and guess what... That is the cheapest price I can pay for a Mac, and a Mac Mini (I would provide a direct link, but Apple's store links expire) costs £399.
The only 'advantage' the Mac Mini has over this laptop is that it has a 1.83GHz processor, while this laptop has a 1.66GHz processor. But - this machine has been the best gaming and work machine I've ever had, I doubt the Mac mini would live up to that with just a tiny bit faster processor, it doesn't even have a decent graphic card with dedicated RAM.
Macs are certainly affordable now, but you seriously cannot tell me Macs are cheaper.