Beyond CMYK (which is available in Krita mind you -- uses a interface similar to Windows photoshop)... What exactly does Photoshop have that makes the Gimp no comparison?
Hate to break it on you, but pluggable scheduler isn't rocket science.
Agreed.
Solaris has had pluggable scheduler architecture for years (more than a decade!)
And despite this, and all the other wonderful crap that is supposed to make Solaris superior for debugging bottlenecks... Just look how slow it is still on a consumer grade, single core athlon 64 system with 6GB of RAM compared to Linux or hell... Even Windows on the same hardware.
I cannot take how slow Solaris is on the desktop, it makes me feel like I'm using Linux on a older 800mhz system (Caution: the slowness I have experienced with Solaris 10 on x86 hardware has biased me somewhat against using the operating system).
Oh and Solaris also has stable kernel ABI...
Don't worry, the majority of issues on Linux with this is apparently going to be solved with a "stable user-mode ABI" soon.
Although, I'm not too sure if that's good for the opensource philosophy -- Then again, I don't choose a operating system based on the licensing philosophy, I choose what I think is technically superior for my needs (Which the majority of the time is a Linux distro due to a compromise between decent scheduling and decent hardware support).
But what's stability among friends, we shouldn't split hairs on technicalities, should we ?
I don't mind discussing technicalities actually, I think it's very important to look at the results though and determine why they are the way they are.
Such as, why, despite Solaris being seen by many as a technically superior operating system is beaten by Linux in usage?
Is it the hardware support?
Is it the lack of ported usermode applications?
Is it the ease of use?
Is it all of above etc.?
I'd love to know what is being done to address these issues and additionally what could be done to address them.
That said, I do believe dtrace, virtualization, 'hotpluggable' features in the OS are quite awesome -- I just find the OS unusable with performance I get.
Again, bullshit. You can logon as root in any linux distro. Otherwise you'd be kinda fucked trying to modify your system at all.
I was talking of directly logging in via the default graphical login screen. You want to claim you can do that with certain default settings like root having no login password on Ubuntu, that's laughable. Of course, you can fix that by doing things like 'sudo passwd root' etc. But average Joe which you seem so keen on referring to is not going todo that.
Yup; they open the standard "run or browse" prompt.
Hm, wonder what's going on here then.
I only ever hit the details button out of curosity, i already knew what caused the prompt. My point that a knowledgable user likely won't even need to click details anyway. That point still stands.
You do realize it's not very difficult to write a trojan to just wait for a CD insert event and then run it's own 'setup.exe'?
Why? Because YOU want it to?
Because the information is still useful to some, and yes, I would happen to be one of those 'advanced users' that you seem to claim don't want to see details without any reference to research.
Again, I'm calling bullshit. Sorry, I don't buy your explaination. The most reasonable interpretation of your screen shot is that you clicked the OK button, not that it "just happened" to show up when you were on that screen.
Call bullshit all you like. What the hell it's doing is still not clear and Microsoft could of done better.
Taken a look at that document? See any concrete information in there? Any dates? Any features? In fact, anything at all other than "OOo 3.0 might be coming out in 2007, maybe possibly we don't know yet"? Thanks for playing.
Better than Vista will have features X, Y, Z, Q, R, P, L, will be coming out three years ago. Then later, years a lot later after the original predicted release, Vista has features U, O, G and none of the real features they were talking about originally.
Yes, all the useful information is available online -- but on a wiki that the main OOo site doesn't link to. You have to be already-in-the-know to be able to find it... as your post demonstrates.
You have to be in the know to use a search engine? Wait, what!?
Its interesting then that you have the Windows Update control panel open. It just "happened" to be open when the popup "mysteriously" appeared. Sorry, I don't buy it.
I had it open, I didn't actually attempt to apply the changes, and mysteriously a bit after I get this lovely dialog.
RedHat and Mandriva don't; you can easily login via X with root.
Try making a average of the top distros on DistroWatch.com, you will find the majority don't.
So you're saying that putting a cd or dvd into a drive isn't a user initiated action?
Nope, I didn't say that.
With the CDs I've inserted, I do get the proper autorun prompt.
With CDs that contain autorun.ini? It doesn't seem to prompt here at all if I want to browse the CD instead of running the default executable.
Yet you've provided nothing except saying that some command line should be shown instead.. which doesn't help your typical user anyway.
Are you sure? I can help troubleshoot a user if he can read the details off the screen to me. If there are no details, it's more difficult to provide support on certain issues. Additionally the dialogs in Vista don't help more computer literate users since they contain no details.
The more knowledgeable users likely won't even bother opening the details. And I've already agreed that it is kinda useless.
Of course they don't, there is no details available (you can see for yourself), so if they want to see the details, there isn't any, plain and simple.
I agreed with that already, but I have a feeling most won't bother with the details.
It still doesn't hurt.
Typical users don't care
Perhaps, but the information should still be there.
and advanced users already know why the prompt appeared.
Really? I don't know why that prompt appeared in my snapshot before even saving any settings after not interacting with the computer for a few minutes, I saw a GUID that lead to no results on Google at the time.
The first is an unsigned binary being executed. Once the publisher signs the binary, that prompt should disappear. Its doubtful that malware would sign the binary by a trusted cert authority. I am sure thee are others.
Wrong, the popular spyware, Gator did this.
The second is to prevent changes while running as an administrator. If you run as a non-privledged user, you should get a password prompt. This is just a reminder, "hey you could really fuck things up."
Except the message randomly appeared, I clicked nothing then after a few idle minutes that appears.
However in both cases you initiated the action.
I didn't initiate the Second action, and the system detecting a CD/DVD suddenly does not mean the user actually initiated that -- It could tell me it's a auto-run from the CD, it could give me a few options like opening the CD drive or executing the program etc. rather than just going "Hey setup.exe is unsigned!".
I'd like to point out though on Linux if you were running said tools as root, you'd get no such reminders or warnings.
Many distributions make it difficult for you to login as root. Especially on Ubuntu/Kubuntu since root has no login.
Windows users have been used to being admins always, and getting them to normal accounts will take some time.
I agree, but I really feel the dialogs in Vista were really poorly thought out.
I'm not sure that message is any better; do you really think your typical end user would even know what that command line would do?
If it's average Joe, he'll just do it anyway, but for more knowledgeable users this is a great help for security.
Which is perhaps why details are lacking...
But they provide some GUID in some dialogs, expecting the more knowledgable users to actually know what those GUIDs somehow?
An end user wouldn't care what the details are.
Still, providing details like this is better under "More details" than no details or random GUID gibberish. I think Microsoft did a really poor job with these dialogs, they could certainly of done something better than what's available on Linux/OS X.
I think Vista could provide better details than this or this.
On Linux, if I get such a dialog, it's often quite clear why I need to enter my password (after clicking something, never randomly like what happened in the second link -- First link was the CDROM driver CD, but it wouldn't even show the path of the executable so I couldn't be sure it was D:\setup.exe and not c:\secrettrojanfolderwaitingforcd\setup.exe).
At least Linux is a bit better by giving the exact command it's doing, usually it's even self describing (in this case, embedding a control panel element that requires root access under the application I'm using), rather than spewing some random GUID at me that I cannot even copy/paste and google while that dialog is asking.
What high level stats program or CAD program is available for something other than Windows.
No idea, not my field.
GNU/Linux still does not have legal DVD playback in most distros.
Yes it does, just set the DVDROM region if you're in a country with messed up laws, else install the proper packages. I also cannot think of a 'average joe' user who plays DVDs on his computer instead of his DVD player.
It is simply not a realistic solution for most beginning and advanced computers users.
I use Linux because I find it more advanced than Windows. I really don't mind paying for a quality product and I'm not really that into Opensource philosophy, that's also why I am using Staroffice and not Openoffice.
I also found that many of my Windows games perform better under Linux+Wine than they do under Windows on the same hardware, which was quite a welcome surprise.
The Mac is more polished, but is also more of a closed platform.
I cannot agree when next to me is a MacBookPro that has wireless which does not work when I update to 10.4.9, when Finder is being a piece of crap. When I tell OS X not to use anti-aliasing/sub-pixel crap on small fonts in the preferences pane, OS X still goes ahead and does it. I don't even get the benefits of fully supported hardware on this stupid closed platform.
I actually like being able to open my computer up and add hardware devices at will.
Despite not being so big on that, I agree with that philosophy.
In the end, Slash can propagate as much propaganda against Vista and Office as it wants too.
I actually quite liked Office 2007 under XP, however I found it annoying that it didn't go by XP's guidelines and in the end, it didn't really introduce anything I needed over StarOffice.
The real reason that most individuals do not use Linux is because of the dogma that follows it.
I think the real reason is that when you buy a computer, it comes with Windows. You goto a store, they only sell Windows, they've never heard of Linux and neither has average joe.
I'm sure if every vendor that had a Windows product, was swapped for a Linux product and vice versa (that meaning, Windows only stores only selling Linux suddenly, Linux-only stores selling only Windows etc.) would probably increase the sales/adoption of Linux beyond Windows sales/adoption that year.
you forgot OS/2 it was a better os and was able to run windows apps faster then on windows
The funny thing is that I find games often run faster under Linux+Wine than they do under native Windows on the same hardware.
was so what did M$ do they stopped helping them and came out with updates to windows to brake win os2.
I have heard this argument many times about 'Microsoft breaking OS/2 windows support', some of these updates are known as... Win32s, vxd drivers etc.
Microsoft made Windows evolve. Could Microsoft have made 32bit support and a whole new driver framework that would work with OS/2? Well, perhaps, but it would of required investing a lot into a system that wouldn't work that well.
Interestingly, the Apple Mac had a 68000 processor in 1984.
The Amiga had a 68000 processor in 1985. The classic hardware Amiga used could do things that PPC Mac users couldn't do and single core Intel/AMD systems couldn't do until not too long ago.
If that caught on, then it would have saved the PC industry a decade of pain.
I disagree, the Macs had a horrible lack of multitasking that the Amiga had, certain x86 operating systems at the time allowed multitasking, but were really bad at it.
The result was Apple hardware was expensive, so few purchased it.
And yet, the more advanced Amiga hardware was far cheaper.
The problem was so severe that Apple almost went bankrupt before Steve Jobs returned.
And what is Apple now? It's a brand. If Nokia, Sony, Motorolla made their own iPhone, it would of had no press at all, but Apple? Well, there is all this press... And the phone isn't found to be that good compared to others.
Apple rested on the laurels of a better architecture and almost went bankrupt.
Apple also didn't do anything impressive with the architecture.
Are you saying that all the downloads are for products that aren't good enough to be bought?
Living in Poland, getting to know some local populace.. I'd have to say that people in Poland value their entertainment. But they value their money a lot more and they will not spend it if they can help it.
I've known people who were filesharing non-stop getting cut off from the Internet for over a year. They did not buy a single movie/song during that period.
Of course individuals vary, but I do believe that is a 'common mentality' in Poland, this is probably true for some other nations.
Because my software of choice that I use to create music and graphics does not run on Linux. Don't bother listing "alternatives" -- I know about them already and they aren't alternatives as long as I have to jump through hoops or have to give up what I use now.
Security is not an issue; I'm not running a virus or spyware scanner here because it steals away precious resources from my music software. Learning Linux is not even an issue; you'd have to convince the corporations making the gear I use to switch.
Just to elaborate on what I meant by common issues in my post to prevent confusion:
Earlier in the post I was referring to issues that tend to occure commonly, but the issues themselves were not encountered regularly at all (like a one time thing), like say the wireless doesn't connect.
Later in the post, I was referring to common issues, where the issues encountered occurred quite often.
What you're talking about is Microsoft Windows patches when I was talking about being able to control updates for all the programs on the operating system and being able to add your own programs and your own updates if you wanted.
Nope, I can push out applications just fine thanks to Microsoft Systems Management Server.
I don't care what Windows Vista has as I was talking about Ubuntu.
The way you said it, it came off as something like a unique feature to Ubuntu that Windows doesn't have, it does. Mind you, you can replicate ssh functionality perfectly by installing cygwin with sshd (ssh-server is not installed with Ubuntu by default).
I fail to see why Vista having a remote console debunks my point that you can login and fix common problems via SSH in Ubuntu.
Other than the fact that Vista comes with it preinstalled (not that this is a real argument since you still need to set it up to get it working) -- What common problems? Give me examples.
I can't think of any common desktop problems that can be solved over with just ssh (Well, possible with X forwarding, but that's something else).
Please explain why SSH on Ubuntu is "not the case".
I'm just saying I don't see anything that special about it for workstation systems.
The majority of workstation issues need to be tested some how, you need a GUI for that. If kmail is crashing over the fact one of it's tmp folders in '.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/something/tmp' was lost due to a power cut (a example of something I've encountered), you can't just ssh in and fix it.
You don't know what the problem is without looking yourself at the application and finding out what exactly the error is (hopefully you don't need 'strace' anymore to find this out). Then you can take a guess on how to try to fix the problem and try it.
Mind you, I don't really get any 'common' support issues on Linux workstations, but maybe that's because I setup the systems properly. This is also the case with Windows workstations I administrate.
For example you can point all your desktop computers to your own Upgrade server. This allows you to test the new patches coming in from Ubuntu before you add them to your own upgrade repository or add your own packages. This allows you to be in control of patching for your work place although it is often not needed unless you are doing a distribution upgrade which needs testing before you upgrade all the machines at work.
I can do this on Windows.
Another great one is being able to SSH into a machine. No more having to baby step a user through GUIs. Just ask what the problem is, login to their machine from your own and fix it yourself, they won't even know you logged into their computer and they can continue working on their machine while your fixing some other problem with their computer!
That's actually not the case. Windows Vista does have a remote console login, and on Linux, even if you have ssh, that doesn't give you the ability to easily fix random errors that are popping up in kmail etc. I should know, I admin both Linux and Windows systems.
Usually this is where tools like x11vnc are quite useful in solving issues remotely.
So far, there are some things 'Linux' desktops tend to lack in which bother me, such as:
Roaming profiles (as in, works offline too)
DHCP quarantine (don't have upto date stuff? You're forced onto another subnet where you only have access to update servers)
Lack of centeralized group policy settings and global login management on the majority of distributions -- So far the only one I know that does it and works is, SuSE enterprise desktop
Public embarrassment works much better than banning.
The majority of cheaters I encounter in games are more of griefers which cheat to annoy you. Since these people tend to even wear provocative titles when they can such as "Chinese gold-miner clan", I don't really see how this will publicly embarrass them.
After all, all I ever hear them say as a reason for doing that is, "It's just a game".
Nope, I don't think "public embarrassment" will work.
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I cannot take how slow Solaris is on the desktop, it makes me feel like I'm using Linux on a older 800mhz system (Caution: the slowness I have experienced with Solaris 10 on x86 hardware has biased me somewhat against using the operating system).Don't worry, the majority of issues on Linux with this is apparently going to be solved with a "stable user-mode ABI" soon.
Although, I'm not too sure if that's good for the opensource philosophy -- Then again, I don't choose a operating system based on the licensing philosophy, I choose what I think is technically superior for my needs (Which the majority of the time is a Linux distro due to a compromise between decent scheduling and decent hardware support).I don't mind discussing technicalities actually, I think it's very important to look at the results though and determine why they are the way they are.
Such as, why, despite Solaris being seen by many as a technically superior operating system is beaten by Linux in usage?
I'd love to know what is being done to address these issues and additionally what could be done to address them.
That said, I do believe dtrace, virtualization, 'hotpluggable' features in the OS are quite awesome -- I just find the OS unusable with performance I get.
Additionally, I'm not sure I would trust Sony hardware after all the issues I keep hearing about their consoles.
I only typed the terms "openoffice roadmap".
(Information on the milestones)
Thanks for playing.
On Linux, if I get such a dialog, it's often quite clear why I need to enter my password (after clicking something, never randomly like what happened in the second link -- First link was the CDROM driver CD, but it wouldn't even show the path of the executable so I couldn't be sure it was D:\setup.exe and not c:\secrettrojanfolderwaitingforcd\setup.exe).
At least Linux is a bit better by giving the exact command it's doing, usually it's even self describing (in this case, embedding a control panel element that requires root access under the application I'm using), rather than spewing some random GUID at me that I cannot even copy/paste and google while that dialog is asking.
I also found that many of my Windows games perform better under Linux+Wine than they do under Windows on the same hardware, which was quite a welcome surprise.I cannot agree when next to me is a MacBookPro that has wireless which does not work when I update to 10.4.9, when Finder is being a piece of crap. When I tell OS X not to use anti-aliasing/sub-pixel crap on small fonts in the preferences pane, OS X still goes ahead and does it. I don't even get the benefits of fully supported hardware on this stupid closed platform.Despite not being so big on that, I agree with that philosophy.I actually quite liked Office 2007 under XP, however I found it annoying that it didn't go by XP's guidelines and in the end, it didn't really introduce anything I needed over StarOffice.I think the real reason is that when you buy a computer, it comes with Windows. You goto a store, they only sell Windows, they've never heard of Linux and neither has average joe.
I'm sure if every vendor that had a Windows product, was swapped for a Linux product and vice versa (that meaning, Windows only stores only selling Linux suddenly, Linux-only stores selling only Windows etc.) would probably increase the sales/adoption of Linux beyond Windows sales/adoption that year.
Microsoft made Windows evolve. Could Microsoft have made 32bit support and a whole new driver framework that would work with OS/2? Well, perhaps, but it would of required investing a lot into a system that wouldn't work that well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_gamer
I've known people who were filesharing non-stop getting cut off from the Internet for over a year. They did not buy a single movie/song during that period.
Of course individuals vary, but I do believe that is a 'common mentality' in Poland, this is probably true for some other nations.
I can't think of any common desktop problems that can be solved over with just ssh (Well, possible with X forwarding, but that's something else).I'm just saying I don't see anything that special about it for workstation systems.
The majority of workstation issues need to be tested some how, you need a GUI for that. If kmail is crashing over the fact one of it's tmp folders in '.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/something/tmp' was lost due to a power cut (a example of something I've encountered), you can't just ssh in and fix it.
You don't know what the problem is without looking yourself at the application and finding out what exactly the error is (hopefully you don't need 'strace' anymore to find this out). Then you can take a guess on how to try to fix the problem and try it.
Mind you, I don't really get any 'common' support issues on Linux workstations, but maybe that's because I setup the systems properly. This is also the case with Windows workstations I administrate.
Usually this is where tools like x11vnc are quite useful in solving issues remotely.
So far, there are some things 'Linux' desktops tend to lack in which bother me, such as:
After all, all I ever hear them say as a reason for doing that is, "It's just a game".
Nope, I don't think "public embarrassment" will work.