I wrote what's below first, but screw it, b-baggins was just spinning against KTD's original post. You backed b-baggins up when leftie stood up to him, and I'm going to back up leftie. KTD's original statement was a mild observation that the unemployed have motivation to vote. The "partisan" implication being that unemployed voters are not likely to vote for bush. B-baggins just couldn't deal with the fact that someone made an insightful statement that detracted from his conservative leanings so he posted some childish sniping about "truly motivated people already having jobs". We can argue all day about whether low-wage jobs are equitable or fast food workers do things to get ahead. But it's about the fact that conservatives push partisan positions while crying "partisan liberal!" and "liberal bias!". B-baggins crudely undercut a perfectly valid observation with a nyah nyah, you won't get any votes attitude. And that's just supposed to get swept under the rug because republicans are at ease bullying and harranguing. Well, The Hell With That! And right here is where I'd say something insulting, if I were Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, or Rush Limbaugh, not to mention most other "conservative talk show" hosts. I really want to. But I won't. I am, however, going to make a nuisance of myself every time I see this shit happen. Fucking A, I can't believe how much shit you republicans get away with by just making vague implications and flippantly dismissing anything inconvenient. Can't you see what's happening?!?!??! Don't you know that Bush is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE worse than any president, ever? Of course not. That's not in the republican party message that's echoed unaltered through the major media. So I'll inform you right now, he's a god damn traitor! He's screwing the government, the country, he's screwing the whole world! Jesus Christ on a rubber crutch! Ten years from now this country is going to be in the GUTTER and it'll be bush's fault, but we won't be able to do anything about it, then. And because of people like you and b-baggins, we run a 50-50 chance of being able to do something about it now! We are making more enemies than we need! GODFUCKINGDAMNITMOTHERFUCKINGASSHOLEBITCHWHORES!!! ! AAAAAAA@!!!!! FUCK! YOU're DOOMING US ALL!!!!!
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>>The fact I got jumped on for saying that there is no proof one way or the other if a person is motivated because they are in fast food.
>>>>It sounded to me like you and b-baggins were implying that unemployed and underemployed people are *ALL* lazy.
>>Not for a moment, you read the post through partisan eyes.
Sorry for jumping on you then. You appeared to be supporting b-baggins in the implication that truly motivated people are not unemployed. Actually, I'll level with you; this post made a slight observation that "The most motivated people at the polls this election will be the ones without a job... As they should be. The rest of us with jobs will just decide our candidate based upon other issues." The response, "Don't count on it. The truly motivated people are already working." really bothered me. Plus I know b-baggins is a raging zealot conservative(oh, Nietzche.. if you fight monsters, take care not to become a monster), and I recognized you as conservative as well. Frankly, I've seen so much wierd bush glorifying *stuff* on slashdot lately it's driving me to zealotry myself. Damn, I'll admit that I stepped over the line. Sorry. But I just can't bring myself to identify with you. Our values are just too different. I can't not feel compassion for the poor person who's gone from $30k a year to $12k a year, or $0k for that matter. I can't help disagreeing with most things that come off of republican lips. One time I heard that there were conserva
It's especially ironic since republicans break every rule in the book, and some that aren't, at every turn. Like Bush's reasons for attacking Iraq: There's WMD. Oops, no WMD, but programs. Oops, no programs, but Saddam's a bad guy and he was in with alqaeda. Oops, Saddam and alqaeda hated each other. Erm, well, Bush "has faith it was the right thing to do". Okay.... well, I have faith that Bush is a puppet leader, and that my country is being manipulated by a small group of very rich people. I have faith that we're headed towards a totalitarian police state, and it's not far off. Having faith means you can do whatever you want, right? Hell, I'm going over to a republican neighborhood to bash some heads in. I have faith it's the right thing to do! Whee! Murder isn't wrong if you have faith.. why didn't someone tell me about this scam before? Lets all have faith! Faith that we are above the law! Faith that our emotions overrule our social responsibilities! Faith in whatever damn fool lie we want to make up! Yay! Faith for everyone! Wheee!!!
Dear FBI: I am not actually going to bash heads. Hey, can you guys do something about the massive collusion between politicians and big money? No? Well, I hadda ask.
>>And yet we all forget that it against debate rules. That doesn't matter at all. Why does Kerry not have to follow the rules.
RTFA. It's just innuendo from Drudge, the king of partisan bullcrap.
>>If Bush pulled a pen out, there would be millions of conspiracies about that.
No, there'd be one comment about it, and it would be modded flamebait in.01 seconds, and there would be a half dozen "liberal bias" and "bush basher" comments.
You take a lot of crap for speaking your mind. I don't always agree with you but I've never seen you actually troll (despite a couple absurd mods) or even flame someone, even when you had a full right to.
I've seen you modded down more than once when you said something insightful. Its sad really... you must be pretty freakin' cool in real life.
What good is being marketable when there's no market? It doesn't matter how 'motivated' you are if there's no jobs to get.
It's not realistic to assume that everyone who is underemployed or unemployed is unmotivated. It may be comforting to blame people for their problems but it doesn't make it the case. Sometimes people are at fault and sometimes bad things happen to good people.
It's a lot easier to "just" get another job for some people than others. A poor person who can't afford college is at a disadvantage to a middle class person who floated through college. The poor person can be twice as "motivated" and still end up flipping burgers while the middle class person gets an entry level job in an office.
Hell, there aren't even enough Burger-flipping jobs to go around.
I suppose you could plead ignorance. "I don't know your honor." But it being your property, you'd probably be held responsible anyway unless the judge felt lenient. You'd be taking a chance at any rate.
>>Did I ever say if someone works in fast food they are unmotivated?
b-baggins implied it. leftie called him on it and you said "Are they motivated adults?" Which seemed to me highly trollish and redundant. At which point I jumped in.
>>Motivation has to do with going above and beyond not just getting by.
I disagree. Motivation has to do with *effort*, effort does not gaurantee success. The running implication made by you and b-baggins sounds to me like: "Fast food workers fall into one of three categories: a) Young, b) Adult Manager, c) unmotivated". So either everything is A-OK or they're lazy so who cares, it's their fault.
>>If a 41 yo ex Iron worker now flips burgers but goes home and reads books on being a legal clerk, or on something else he is motivated.
How about a 41 year old ex Iron worker who works 80 hours a week at minimum wage to feed his family? Is he unmotivated because he isn't studying? He sure as hell isn't lazy.
>>Yes according to you a troll is someone who disagrees..
No, I really think you and b-baggins were trolling, given that the whole thread was an argument started by b-baggins who implied that the only problem fast food workers face is their own laziness.
>>My point is what that because someone works in fast food does not mean they are a motivated adult
My point is that some people in fast food ARE motivated adults.
>>its what they do above and beyond to imrpove their situation that matters..
Of course. One has to work to get ahead. No one disputes that. What I am saying is that there are more "motivated adults" than there are jobs. It sounded to me like you and b-baggins were implying that unemployed and underemployed people are *ALL* lazy. Sure, some fast food workers ARE kids, but some are not.
>>So dont you give me crap about not working my way up and not knowing what its like.
Fine, don't put words in my mouth just so you can pretend you have a point.
>>If any of those people go home from work and play X-box, or just smoke and watch TV I will absolutly say to them that they are unmotivated..
Oh, I see. So fast food workers are automatically lazy pot heads? When you were selling trinkets at parades, would you have appreciated being painted with those broad strokes? Is it OK for you to do that, now that you are (presumably) no longer in hard times? Real mature.
A judge might accept an explanation, or not, depending on whether they're a hardass, or you're black in texas, or whatnot. The cop could/would still arrest you.
As for standing too close to the microwave, microwaves do not penetrate outside the nuker, so you'd be screwed if the judge knew that. And I don't think electrical substations emit microwaves, though the magnetic field might fry the RFID (I have no idea). Electrical substations are usually off limits though so then you'd be admitting to trespassing (I think).
I only saw 2 money/oil references, the ones I listed. Did I miss some?
As for my views being distorted, do you mean biased? I do support Kerry. I am liberal. So I have a bias. However, I think "distorted" is a little strong here. I won't take offense but I will point that out.
So true, so true. Working fast food really drains you mentally too. Customers there are almost as bad as helpdesk callers, so the cashiers get abused all day. The manager might be cool, or they might take out their lack of achievement on their employees. And there's no future to dream about (raise? promotion? take out the trash.)
There's a forty something guy who works the window at a Wendy's near me. It hurts to see the look on his face sometimes. His affect is flat.. he's courteous in his tone but you can tell how much it must hurt to work there at his age. He must be a very strong person inside to hold down that job - probably only keeps going for his kids.
I know I want my VCR to flash "1337" instead of "1200", and my radio to switch from NPR to Rush Limbaugh against my wishes. I know I want my air conditioner to go from cold to hot in the middle of the night. So I'll make sure I look for the "powered by microsoft" sticker when I buy all these things.
Oh yeah... and I want my roomba to spell "pwned!" in my shag rug:)
WTF is your point? "Are they motivated adults?" Of course they're motivated. We're losing manufacturing and technology jobs and they're being replaced with fast food jobs. So either motivated people are working fast food, or unmotivated people are working fast food and motivated people are unemployed, which is even worse.
Two worker families are at the greatest risk of fiscal catastrophe because if either worker gets sick or loses their job the loss of income is typically irrecoverable. If you think a career in fast food is any way to live I suggest you go try it.
>>How is the any lsee substancial than your claim?
For starters, he's full of shit. It's idiocy to imply that anyone who works fast food and isn't young is not motivated. And neither you nor he have the balls to go into a McDonalds and say what you say here.
>>A highly motivated fast food employee is a high school or college kid under his parents' insurance.
Or an adult who lost his/her job and has no insurance. Or a kid who's parents can't afford insurance.
>>A highly motivated adult manages a fast food restaurant and hires high school and college kids.
Right.. because as we all know, new jobs are magically created every time someone is ready to work. And no one is ever unemployed because of a lack of available jobs. Right? Right?
Sorry for the confusion KTD, my (anon) post was in reply to this retard, b-baggins. If you hit 'parent' link on my post you'll see his comment which was a (stupid) reply to yours.
KTD, you're the man. b-baggins is the one I was calling unpatriotic.
BTW I posted anon because I'm sick of getting modded -1 for expressing liberal views. I'm double sick of seeing pretentious conservative morons getting +2 for being republican spin jockeys.
I think you're right about microwaves killing RFID devices. Unfortunately I think that would probably count as "altering a document" which will get you arrested.
Bush: Halliburton reference in opening scene. Bush/Cheney in money barrels.
Kerry: Showed with Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, and (I think) Ayatolah Khomeini; Edwards says "I love to hug and kiss this guy" (gay reference #1), Gay man asks "are they gay", Kerry/Edwards respond "we won't say" (gay ref #2), Kerry/Edwards in bed in a pink room with a "Justin" poster on the wall (gay ref #3), Daschle says he's gay (gay ref #4), Clinton appears & is slapped twice by Hillary, Dan Rather of CBS appears, Teresa Heinz-Kerry burns a bra and bursts into flames, and Kerry is shown holding Heinz ketchup (this last one is minor so I'm counting it 1/2).
The count of knocks is Bush 2, Kerry 8.5. I agree it was a funny parody, but the bias is obvious. Unless you saw 6 insults to Bush I missed, which I doubt, but please point them out to me if I did.
One last thing... good on you Squinky86 for disagreeing in a mature way instead of just flaming (as usually resort to.)
>>nearly any newspaper you pick up, or any Democrat you listen to, openly blames Bush for the economy and job loss.
That's funny, I haven't heard anyone openly blame bush, as in "Bush is the reason the economy is down". What I have heard is that the economy's performance is likely to be a major issue in the election, and that it reflects poorly on bush.
As for partisan rhetoric, conservatives are blatantly, continuously partisan, crossing every line and redrawing a few to boot, while bashing liberals for the same offence when they discuss any issue. For some reason the civil rights movement is seen as unamerican. Meh. We'll see who wins in november. =)
This one did attack Kerry while letting Bush off easy. I thought the first one was as fair as I could hope for in these anti-dissent "with us or against us" times. I wouldn't be suprised if JibJab got some flak - or some cash - or both to take Kerry down a peg and take up Bush's banner while riding the coattails of their prior, more balanced anim.
Raging Bush apologetics from b-baggins, j0nb0y and N3WB13 in 3... 2... 1...
If bush doesn't deserve to be bashed, why did you predict it yourself?
Oh, I see. You're entitled to your opinion, and to slander and bully anyone who doesn't share it. But people who disagree, they don't have a right to their opinion and must be wrong no matter what. It must be nice to live in a fantasy land.
how many lawyers they hire? During the florida court case about the ballot shenanigans, the Supreme Court stepped in and ruled that figuring out who did what and how many votes were for who was not permissible because it would "damage the legitimacy of the Bush presidency".
We (the US) don't need lawyers, we need UN monitors, and we've got those. Of course it wouldn't hurt if the media would hold off reporting a winner until there actually is one; the "gentlemanly" thing to do would be to stop depending on "forecasts" and guesses about projected winners, and wait until there's actually a winner, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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>>The fact I got jumped on for saying that there is no proof one way or the other if a person is motivated because they are in fast food.
>>>>It sounded to me like you and b-baggins were implying that unemployed and underemployed people are *ALL* lazy.
>>Not for a moment, you read the post through partisan eyes.
Sorry for jumping on you then. You appeared to be supporting b-baggins in the implication that truly motivated people are not unemployed. Actually, I'll level with you; this post made a slight observation that "The most motivated people at the polls this election will be the ones without a job... As they should be. The rest of us with jobs will just decide our candidate based upon other issues." The response, "Don't count on it. The truly motivated people are already working." really bothered me. Plus I know b-baggins is a raging zealot conservative(oh, Nietzche.. if you fight monsters, take care not to become a monster), and I recognized you as conservative as well. Frankly, I've seen so much wierd bush glorifying *stuff* on slashdot lately it's driving me to zealotry myself. Damn, I'll admit that I stepped over the line. Sorry. But I just can't bring myself to identify with you. Our values are just too different. I can't not feel compassion for the poor person who's gone from $30k a year to $12k a year, or $0k for that matter. I can't help disagreeing with most things that come off of republican lips. One time I heard that there were conserva
It's especially ironic since republicans break every rule in the book, and some that aren't, at every turn. Like Bush's reasons for attacking Iraq: There's WMD. Oops, no WMD, but programs. Oops, no programs, but Saddam's a bad guy and he was in with alqaeda. Oops, Saddam and alqaeda hated each other. Erm, well, Bush "has faith it was the right thing to do". Okay.... well, I have faith that Bush is a puppet leader, and that my country is being manipulated by a small group of very rich people. I have faith that we're headed towards a totalitarian police state, and it's not far off. Having faith means you can do whatever you want, right? Hell, I'm going over to a republican neighborhood to bash some heads in. I have faith it's the right thing to do! Whee! Murder isn't wrong if you have faith.. why didn't someone tell me about this scam before? Lets all have faith! Faith that we are above the law! Faith that our emotions overrule our social responsibilities! Faith in whatever damn fool lie we want to make up! Yay! Faith for everyone! Wheee!!!
Dear FBI: I am not actually going to bash heads. Hey, can you guys do something about the massive collusion between politicians and big money? No? Well, I hadda ask.
RTFA. It's just innuendo from Drudge, the king of partisan bullcrap.
>>If Bush pulled a pen out, there would be millions of conspiracies about that.
No, there'd be one comment about it, and it would be modded flamebait in .01 seconds, and there would be a half dozen "liberal bias" and "bush basher" comments.
I've seen you modded down more than once when you said something insightful. Its sad really... you must be pretty freakin' cool in real life.
It's not realistic to assume that everyone who is underemployed or unemployed is unmotivated. It may be comforting to blame people for their problems but it doesn't make it the case. Sometimes people are at fault and sometimes bad things happen to good people.
It's a lot easier to "just" get another job for some people than others. A poor person who can't afford college is at a disadvantage to a middle class person who floated through college. The poor person can be twice as "motivated" and still end up flipping burgers while the middle class person gets an entry level job in an office.
Hell, there aren't even enough Burger-flipping jobs to go around.
I suppose you could plead ignorance. "I don't know your honor." But it being your property, you'd probably be held responsible anyway unless the judge felt lenient. You'd be taking a chance at any rate.
b-baggins implied it. leftie called him on it and you said "Are they motivated adults?" Which seemed to me highly trollish and redundant. At which point I jumped in.
>>Motivation has to do with going above and beyond not just getting by.
I disagree. Motivation has to do with *effort*, effort does not gaurantee success. The running implication made by you and b-baggins sounds to me like: "Fast food workers fall into one of three categories: a) Young, b) Adult Manager, c) unmotivated". So either everything is A-OK or they're lazy so who cares, it's their fault.
>>If a 41 yo ex Iron worker now flips burgers but goes home and reads books on being a legal clerk, or on something else he is motivated.
How about a 41 year old ex Iron worker who works 80 hours a week at minimum wage to feed his family? Is he unmotivated because he isn't studying? He sure as hell isn't lazy.
>>Yes according to you a troll is someone who disagrees..
No, I really think you and b-baggins were trolling, given that the whole thread was an argument started by b-baggins who implied that the only problem fast food workers face is their own laziness.
My point is that some people in fast food ARE motivated adults.
>>its what they do above and beyond to imrpove their situation that matters..
Of course. One has to work to get ahead. No one disputes that. What I am saying is that there are more "motivated adults" than there are jobs. It sounded to me like you and b-baggins were implying that unemployed and underemployed people are *ALL* lazy. Sure, some fast food workers ARE kids, but some are not.
Fine, don't put words in my mouth just so you can pretend you have a point.
>>If any of those people go home from work and play X-box, or just smoke and watch TV I will absolutly say to them that they are unmotivated..
Oh, I see. So fast food workers are automatically lazy pot heads? When you were selling trinkets at parades, would you have appreciated being painted with those broad strokes? Is it OK for you to do that, now that you are (presumably) no longer in hard times? Real mature.
Ah, I stand corrected. So it's 7-3 then.
As for standing too close to the microwave, microwaves do not penetrate outside the nuker, so you'd be screwed if the judge knew that. And I don't think electrical substations emit microwaves, though the magnetic field might fry the RFID (I have no idea). Electrical substations are usually off limits though so then you'd be admitting to trespassing (I think).
As for my views being distorted, do you mean biased? I do support Kerry. I am liberal. So I have a bias. However, I think "distorted" is a little strong here. I won't take offense but I will point that out.
There's a forty something guy who works the window at a Wendy's near me. It hurts to see the look on his face sometimes. His affect is flat.. he's courteous in his tone but you can tell how much it must hurt to work there at his age. He must be a very strong person inside to hold down that job - probably only keeps going for his kids.
Oh yeah... and I want my roomba to spell "pwned!" in my shag rug :)
WTF is your point? "Are they motivated adults?" Of course they're motivated. We're losing manufacturing and technology jobs and they're being replaced with fast food jobs. So either motivated people are working fast food, or unmotivated people are working fast food and motivated people are unemployed, which is even worse.
Get lost, troll.
Two worker families are at the greatest risk of fiscal catastrophe because if either worker gets sick or loses their job the loss of income is typically irrecoverable. If you think a career in fast food is any way to live I suggest you go try it.
For starters, he's full of shit. It's idiocy to imply that anyone who works fast food and isn't young is not motivated. And neither you nor he have the balls to go into a McDonalds and say what you say here.
QUIT TROLLING!
Or an adult who lost his/her job and has no insurance. Or a kid who's parents can't afford insurance.
>>A highly motivated adult manages a fast food restaurant and hires high school and college kids.
Right.. because as we all know, new jobs are magically created every time someone is ready to work. And no one is ever unemployed because of a lack of available jobs. Right? Right?
KTD, you're the man. b-baggins is the one I was calling unpatriotic.
BTW I posted anon because I'm sick of getting modded -1 for expressing liberal views. I'm double sick of seeing pretentious conservative morons getting +2 for being republican spin jockeys.
As for Bush... grrrrrrr. I hate that mofo.
I think you're right about microwaves killing RFID devices. Unfortunately I think that would probably count as "altering a document" which will get you arrested.
Bush: Halliburton reference in opening scene.
Bush/Cheney in money barrels.
Kerry: Showed with Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, and (I think) Ayatolah Khomeini;
Edwards says "I love to hug and kiss this guy" (gay reference #1),
Gay man asks "are they gay", Kerry/Edwards respond "we won't say" (gay ref #2),
Kerry/Edwards in bed in a pink room with a "Justin" poster on the wall (gay ref #3),
Daschle says he's gay (gay ref #4),
Clinton appears & is slapped twice by Hillary,
Dan Rather of CBS appears,
Teresa Heinz-Kerry burns a bra and bursts into flames,
and Kerry is shown holding Heinz ketchup (this last one is minor so I'm counting it 1/2).
The count of knocks is Bush 2, Kerry 8.5. I agree it was a funny parody, but the bias is obvious. Unless you saw 6 insults to Bush I missed, which I doubt, but please point them out to me if I did.
One last thing... good on you Squinky86 for disagreeing in a mature way instead of just flaming (as usually resort to.)
That's funny, I haven't heard anyone openly blame bush, as in "Bush is the reason the economy is down". What I have heard is that the economy's performance is likely to be a major issue in the election, and that it reflects poorly on bush.
As for partisan rhetoric, conservatives are blatantly, continuously partisan, crossing every line and redrawing a few to boot, while bashing liberals for the same offence when they discuss any issue. For some reason the civil rights movement is seen as unamerican. Meh. We'll see who wins in november. =)
This one did attack Kerry while letting Bush off easy. I thought the first one was as fair as I could hope for in these anti-dissent "with us or against us" times. I wouldn't be suprised if JibJab got some flak - or some cash - or both to take Kerry down a peg and take up Bush's banner while riding the coattails of their prior, more balanced anim.
Raging Bush apologetics from b-baggins, j0nb0y and N3WB13 in 3... 2... 1...
Oh, I see. You're entitled to your opinion, and to slander and bully anyone who doesn't share it. But people who disagree, they don't have a right to their opinion and must be wrong no matter what. It must be nice to live in a fantasy land.
We (the US) don't need lawyers, we need UN monitors, and we've got those. Of course it wouldn't hurt if the media would hold off reporting a winner until there actually is one; the "gentlemanly" thing to do would be to stop depending on "forecasts" and guesses about projected winners, and wait until there's actually a winner, beyond a shadow of a doubt.