So to recap: Telling lies that serve republican interests: +1. Telling the truth, backing it up with links to sources, -1 troll.
Yeah, you republicans are fucking realistic.
>>In fact, if Vietnam is any example, a draft would unfairly pull in working class people because they're less likely to be able to get exceptions because of college or a cushy tour in National Guard.
He was talking about Vietnam, not Iraq. Don't get your panties in a bunch. He didn't disparage the honor of the National Guard. You're just trolling. Get lost.
National Guardsmen: How do you feel about being asked/ordered to risk your life in Iraq, now that we know there was no WMD?We know our soldiers will serve whenever, wherever, without question, and we thank them and honor them for that. It is the place of the CIVILIAN to ensure that the soldier's service is applied responsibly and ONLY when NEEDED. It is reprehensible, and TREASON, to send a soldier into war when war is not justified. Iraq is an unjust war. Bush lied, continues to lie, continues to make vague implications. The only reason Our Boys are dying in Iraq is because Bush "has faith it is the right thing to do." An ex soldier passed this on to me: Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Which one will fill up first? No matter how much W WISHES Iraq was necessary, it's shit, bar none.
>>In fact, if Vietnam is any example, a draft would unfairly pull in working class people because they're less likely to be able to get exceptions because of college or a cushy tour in National Guard.
He was talking about Vietnam, not Iraq. Don't get your panties in a bunch. He didn't disparage the honor of the National Guard. You're just trolling. Get lost.
National Guardsmen: How do you feel about being asked/ordered to risk your life in Iraq, now that we know there was no WMD? We know our soldiers will serve whenever, wherever, without question, and we thank them and honor them for that. It is the place of the CIVILIAN to ensure that the soldier's service is applied responsibly and ONLY when NEEDED. It is reprehensible, and TREASON, to send a soldier into war when war is not justified. Iraq is an unjust war. Bush lied, continues to lie, continues to make vague implications. The only reason Our Boys are dying in Iraq is because Bush "has faith it is the right thing to do." An ex soldier passed this on to me: Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Which one will fill up first? No matter how much W WISHES Iraq was necessary, it's shit, bar none.
>>Except that it looks like Bush actually volunteered for duty in Viet Nam when he was in the guard.
Where are your sources?Bush was AWOL, and even *that* was too much for him so he went campaigning. Bush also admitted, on February 8, that he DID NOT VOLUNTEER TO GO TO VIETNAM.
Thanks for spitting in the face of everyone who actually DID serve in Vietnam.
Like hmmm... John Kerry?:P Guess you'll have to find another thread to troll in.
Noo.... the body would just break down as proteins beyond their life cycle break down and fail to be recycled.
If you want to live forever, you need to do something about the telomeres in your cells after division. Stem cell research wouldn't hurt either. BTW, adult humans have stem cells.
get with the times people, everyone knows that existence is a trick played on us by an evil genius who tricks us into believing that we and our sensory input exist by feeding a set of sense/belief signals into a framework of nothingness.
I think, therefore an evil genius is tricking me.:)
You know what's funny? Ten years from now, taxes will be sky high, the elderly will starve in their trailers, and the middle class will be mostly a memory. Yeah, real funny.
I'm going to stab the next conservative I meet. I hope it's you!:P
>>"White House Lied" is someones opinnion being warped into a factual statement.
Dude! You're fucking insane! It's not an opinion, it's not being warped. Or are you one of those "We attacked Iraq because of 9/11" republicans?
>>no amount arguing is going to sway someone who has already made their decision. Its just not worth it.
Wow. Simply wow. So, logic and reality just don't enter into the equation at all with you, huh? It's not worth it to know what happens, because you already made your "decision"? Then please decide that walking in front of a bus is profitable and not dangerous. Like the Dilbert book's title says, "When did ignorance become a point of view?"
All he did was cheerlead for Bush and obfuscate. It was marked flamebait because.. wait for it... he was flamebaiting! *shock!*
>>Someone can post complete nonesense about the Evil Republican President without any reprocussions,
Do you sit up at night building your fantasy world? Or are you just psychotic? By the way, it's spelled "repercussions".
>>but the second someone shows any support for the guy, he's marked as flamebait.
It's not because he "showed any support", it's because he's riding the tilt-o-whirl with you in la-la land.
And in this forum, you guys just don't have jack shit to say because you're indisputably WRONG. No amount of "where are your sources" or "liberal bias liberal bias" antics can change the fact that dubya came into office looking for reasons to attack Iraq, and couldn't find any, so he made some up.
On top of that he (bush) used (abused) his power and position during a period of national mourning to jump into an unneccesary and irresponsible war.
Frasier: Cliff, what color is the sky in your world?
...
Peasant: We've found a witch! May we burn her?
Sir Bedivere: How do you know she is a witch?
Peasant: She looks like one! And she insists on believing in so-called 'reality' instead of the right-wing propaganda! Plus, she turned me into a newt!
SB: A newt?
Peasant: I.. I got better. Anyway she is a witch!
LBArrettAnderson, which two of these four characters do you most resemble?
I'm aware of their work with wing design and wind tunnels, and that they were mechanics before they started building the Wright flyer. I think you interpret "amateur" as an insult of some kind - and probably didn't read my whole post before replying.
Of course they were amateurs. When you start doing something, you have no experience (0 exp) and so are an amateur. After building their flyer, they were experts. Before, amateurs. You make it sound like they woke up one morning and collectively thought "Hey, now that we've worked on lots of engines, we're experts in airplane research and design. Let's build our first airplane!" I don't care who you are or how much you succeed, the first time you do something you're either a student (teacher/mentor led) or an amateur (self led). Amateur != incompetent; Amateur == beginner. Everyone starts somewhere. I like the Wrights too. But I don't pretend that they were never inexperienced, and came out of the womb fully trained aerospace engineers.
You ever see the back of a twenty dollar bill... on weed? Oh, there's some crazy shit, man. There's a dude in the bushes... Has he got a gun? I dunno! RED TEAM GO! RED TEAM GO!
>>People who use the word "racist" when there is absolutely no racial argument to be made whatsoever--not even an obviously specious one--are not worth our time or attention.
Please read the story again. Mr Cobb clearly stated that the electoral college's foundation is in the slave era and owes to the fact that slaves could not vote but were counted as 3/5ths of a person for voting purposes; the electoral college addressed the counting of vote-ineligible population by assigning "electors" to represent the weighted populations.
>>Oooh, you lost me at "I'm a colossal dumbass."
I must have missed the line where Mr Cobb said "Twirlip of the Mists is a collosal dumbass". What specifically do you find offensive about his position?
>>"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have *you* drunk your fill?"
Nice sig, very poetic.
Have you read "Grendel" by John Gardner? There's a scene where a dragon is telling Grendel that Nature has no absolute scale, that things have size only in comparison to other scales, and that there's infinity in both directions. Gardner phrased it much better than I did.
Btw, the book "Grendel" has nothing to do with computers, the RIAA or Iceland. It was however, enthralling and fresh. To the mods: I know this is off topic, which is why I posted with no Karma bonus. Thank you in advance for not mod-bludgeoning me:)
Yep, it looks like Putin is only agreeing to this for $$. Which sucks because by joining the treaty, he's sort of undermining it (more available pollution credits for polluters).
>>Which brings up the point, whats the use of a treaty if you can just buy yourself a pass? What use is a treaty that excepts certain countries from the requirements?
To answer you, I suppose that having to buy the pass is a slight impediment. Money will go to a nation where the industry is required to be more green, hopefully this encourages the development of green technology. Though I acceed that even so, this agreement is not a step forward.
>>Also, sea level rise is how much in the last half century?.7 of an inch?
In New York, last summer was HOT. Our winters have become more mild. My reference to my state is anecdotal - to be sure - but climate change IS happening. It's like credit card debt.. you can ignore it for a while, but eventually it will bite you in the butt. We'd be smart to preserve our future.
>>Granted they had to throw in the requisite George Bush jab
What "Bush jab"? They said that this event left him isolated, which is politically true. A "jab" would have been to call him names. All they did was note a political reality. Or did you mean the part where they mention Bush "repudiated the treaty on taking office."? Again, just reporting reality. It's not an attack.
>>When the science behind Kyoto gets real proof then come back with the treaty. what we have is an anti-industrialist agenda which convienent opts out some of the upcoming bigger polluters.
I was going to say something in anger, but I think I've made my point.
Well, personally, I don't. Which isn't very fair of me, I know, but I don't feel like being labeled a terrorist sympathizer by the FBI for visiting aljazeera or whatever.
If you are really curious, the BBC has links to stuff like that, you can visit the arabic TV and radio stations websites, the official webpages of any government, etc. Just remember before you click, "who is watching me do this?"
Where can you run, where can you hide, when the man in blue is on the inside...
The Wright brothers were bicycle enthusiasts who turned to flight research. The UCLA IMP team (designers of the protean "switch") expected to be replaced by "the real experts" any day, only to discover there were none but themselves. The fathers of the American revolution were educated, but I don't think it'd be appropriate to call them "professional revolutionists". Steve Jobs was a Homebrew Computer Club member - so was Steve Wozniak.
Charles Lindbergh was a mail pilot before he made the first flight ever across the atlantic (L.I. to Paris).
All the original "elite hackers" of the early information age were total amateurs.
Every "professional" was once an amateur. Our culture has come to identify a slick suit, fancy title and wad of cash with skill and ability. Being a "pro" means you have proven yourself to the mainstream, maybe that you were a better amateur than some others, maybe that you were in the right place at the right time. Years of experience are good, yes. So is imagination, fresh perspective, and untapped potential.
>>Don't moderators know you're only supposed to moderate up liberal viewpoints as insightful?
I hardly know where to start with this. Ideally it would be "insightful" viewpoints which are modded up as "insightful" independent of their political background. But what makes your post totally silly is that, despite the fact that people say slashdot has liberal leanings, liberals are kept on the defensive. Liberal viewpoints are modded down just for being liberal.
And the rest of what you said is totally inane- it is conservatives, not liberals, who seek to (and frequently manage to) quench "opposing viewpoints".
The republican noise machine's ability to shout louder than anyone else is great for conservative politicians, but it's hurting our country. How is a democracy supposed to adjust to circumstances when the debate is brought to the level of an elementary school playground fight?
I met an informed, reasonable republican on slashdot the other day. I praised him for his character, but in fact I was shocked because usually I only meet people like you, who gloss over reality because they came up with a witty barb to toss at the other party.
You guys are really good at that, credit where credit is due; it's only to bad that you are fucking us all over by removing the substance of the conversation.
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So to recap: Telling lies that serve republican interests: +1. Telling the truth, backing it up with links to sources, -1 troll.
Yeah, you republicans are fucking realistic.
>>In fact, if Vietnam is any example, a draft would unfairly pull in working class people because they're less likely to be able to get exceptions because of college or a cushy tour in National Guard.
He was talking about Vietnam, not Iraq. Don't get your panties in a bunch. He didn't disparage the honor of the National Guard. You're just trolling. Get lost.
National Guardsmen: How do you feel about being asked/ordered to risk your life in Iraq, now that we know there was no WMD?We know our soldiers will serve whenever, wherever, without question, and we thank them and honor them for that. It is the place of the CIVILIAN to ensure that the soldier's service is applied responsibly and ONLY when NEEDED. It is reprehensible, and TREASON, to send a soldier into war when war is not justified. Iraq is an unjust war. Bush lied, continues to lie, continues to make vague implications. The only reason Our Boys are dying in Iraq is because Bush "has faith it is the right thing to do." An ex soldier passed this on to me: Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Which one will fill up first? No matter how much W WISHES Iraq was necessary, it's shit, bar none.
Insert obligatory europeans have real debates comment here.
Hopefully they'll include Badnarik... but will Bush and Kerry debate if they have to face a third candidate?
It's clear that you weren't attacking the Guard .. he just wanted to impress his skinhead pals.
He was talking about Vietnam, not Iraq. Don't get your panties in a bunch. He didn't disparage the honor of the National Guard. You're just trolling. Get lost.
National Guardsmen: How do you feel about being asked/ordered to risk your life in Iraq, now that we know there was no WMD? We know our soldiers will serve whenever, wherever, without question, and we thank them and honor them for that. It is the place of the CIVILIAN to ensure that the soldier's service is applied responsibly and ONLY when NEEDED. It is reprehensible, and TREASON, to send a soldier into war when war is not justified. Iraq is an unjust war. Bush lied, continues to lie, continues to make vague implications. The only reason Our Boys are dying in Iraq is because Bush "has faith it is the right thing to do." An ex soldier passed this on to me: Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Which one will fill up first? No matter how much W WISHES Iraq was necessary, it's shit, bar none.
Where are your sources? Bush was AWOL, and even *that* was too much for him so he went campaigning. Bush also admitted, on February 8, that he DID NOT VOLUNTEER TO GO TO VIETNAM.
Thanks for spitting in the face of everyone who actually DID serve in Vietnam. :P Guess you'll have to find another thread to troll in.
Like hmmm... John Kerry?
Jackass^2.
If you want to live forever, you need to do something about the telomeres in your cells after division. Stem cell research wouldn't hurt either. BTW, adult humans have stem cells.
not "make 7up yours"... the "waaaay up" part.
geez... pedantry is good but I don't live in a cave.
I'm not joking.
Dilbert: I can compute many values of pi. Some people discuss areas of circles, but I'm doing something about it!
I think, therefore an evil genius is tricking me. :)
Why don't you asshats just go live in Iran where everyone is a braindead religious fanatic? This isn't the twelveth century.
You know what's really funny? You. :) I'd call you a homo, but I actually have a shred of respect for gay people and wouldn't want to insult them.
I'm going to stab the next conservative I meet. I hope it's you! :P
Dude! You're fucking insane! It's not an opinion, it's not being warped. Or are you one of those "We attacked Iraq because of 9/11" republicans?
>>no amount arguing is going to sway someone who has already made their decision. Its just not worth it.
Wow. Simply wow. So, logic and reality just don't enter into the equation at all with you, huh? It's not worth it to know what happens, because you already made your "decision"? Then please decide that walking in front of a bus is profitable and not dangerous. Like the Dilbert book's title says, "When did ignorance become a point of view?"
>>Someone can post complete nonesense about the Evil Republican President without any reprocussions,
Do you sit up at night building your fantasy world? Or are you just psychotic? By the way, it's spelled "repercussions".
>>but the second someone shows any support for the guy, he's marked as flamebait.
It's not because he "showed any support", it's because he's riding the tilt-o-whirl with you in la-la land.
And in this forum, you guys just don't have jack shit to say because you're indisputably WRONG. No amount of "where are your sources" or "liberal bias liberal bias" antics can change the fact that dubya came into office looking for reasons to attack Iraq, and couldn't find any, so he made some up.
On top of that he (bush) used (abused) his power and position during a period of national mourning to jump into an unneccesary and irresponsible war.
Frasier: Cliff, what color is the sky in your world?
...
Peasant: We've found a witch! May we burn her?
Sir Bedivere: How do you know she is a witch?
Peasant: She looks like one! And she insists on believing in so-called 'reality' instead of the right-wing propaganda! Plus, she turned me into a newt!
SB: A newt?
Peasant: I.. I got better. Anyway she is a witch!
LBArrettAnderson, which two of these four characters do you most resemble?
Of course they were amateurs. When you start doing something, you have no experience (0 exp) and so are an amateur. After building their flyer, they were experts. Before, amateurs. You make it sound like they woke up one morning and collectively thought "Hey, now that we've worked on lots of engines, we're experts in airplane research and design. Let's build our first airplane!" I don't care who you are or how much you succeed, the first time you do something you're either a student (teacher/mentor led) or an amateur (self led). Amateur != incompetent; Amateur == beginner. Everyone starts somewhere. I like the Wrights too. But I don't pretend that they were never inexperienced, and came out of the womb fully trained aerospace engineers.
That's a loaded question. Be more specific.
You ever see the back of a twenty dollar bill... on weed? Oh, there's some crazy shit, man. There's a dude in the bushes... Has he got a gun? I dunno! RED TEAM GO! RED TEAM GO!
Please read the story again. Mr Cobb clearly stated that the electoral college's foundation is in the slave era and owes to the fact that slaves could not vote but were counted as 3/5ths of a person for voting purposes; the electoral college addressed the counting of vote-ineligible population by assigning "electors" to represent the weighted populations.
>>Oooh, you lost me at "I'm a colossal dumbass."
I must have missed the line where Mr Cobb said "Twirlip of the Mists is a collosal dumbass". What specifically do you find offensive about his position?
Nice sig, very poetic.
Have you read "Grendel" by John Gardner? There's a scene where a dragon is telling Grendel that Nature has no absolute scale, that things have size only in comparison to other scales, and that there's infinity in both directions. Gardner phrased it much better than I did.
Btw, the book "Grendel" has nothing to do with computers, the RIAA or Iceland. It was however, enthralling and fresh. To the mods: I know this is off topic, which is why I posted with no Karma bonus. Thank you in advance for not mod-bludgeoning me :)
>>Which brings up the point, whats the use of a treaty if you can just buy yourself a pass? What use is a treaty that excepts certain countries from the requirements?
To answer you, I suppose that having to buy the pass is a slight impediment. Money will go to a nation where the industry is required to be more green, hopefully this encourages the development of green technology. Though I acceed that even so, this agreement is not a step forward.
>>Also, sea level rise is how much in the last half century? .7 of an inch?
??? What?
Antarctica's Larsen B ice shelf has collapsed. Sea levels are up 6 to 10 inches. Mountain glaciers have been reduced by about half. Severe heat waves have become more frequent.
In New York, last summer was HOT. Our winters have become more mild. My reference to my state is anecdotal - to be sure - but climate change IS happening. It's like credit card debt.. you can ignore it for a while, but eventually it will bite you in the butt. We'd be smart to preserve our future.
>>Granted they had to throw in the requisite George Bush jab
What "Bush jab"? They said that this event left him isolated, which is politically true. A "jab" would have been to call him names. All they did was note a political reality. Or did you mean the part where they mention Bush "repudiated the treaty on taking office."? Again, just reporting reality. It's not an attack.
>>When the science behind Kyoto gets real proof then come back with the treaty. what we have is an anti-industrialist agenda which convienent opts out some of the upcoming bigger polluters.
I was going to say something in anger, but I think I've made my point.
If you are really curious, the BBC has links to stuff like that, you can visit the arabic TV and radio stations websites, the official webpages of any government, etc. Just remember before you click, "who is watching me do this?"
Where can you run, where can you hide, when the man in blue is on the inside...
Charles Lindbergh was a mail pilot before he made the first flight ever across the atlantic (L.I. to Paris).
All the original "elite hackers" of the early information age were total amateurs.
Every "professional" was once an amateur. Our culture has come to identify a slick suit, fancy title and wad of cash with skill and ability. Being a "pro" means you have proven yourself to the mainstream, maybe that you were a better amateur than some others, maybe that you were in the right place at the right time. Years of experience are good, yes. So is imagination, fresh perspective, and untapped potential.
A point? uh... (digs furiously) uh...raincheck?
I hardly know where to start with this. Ideally it would be "insightful" viewpoints which are modded up as "insightful" independent of their political background. But what makes your post totally silly is that, despite the fact that people say slashdot has liberal leanings, liberals are kept on the defensive. Liberal viewpoints are modded down just for being liberal.
And the rest of what you said is totally inane- it is conservatives, not liberals, who seek to (and frequently manage to) quench "opposing viewpoints".
The republican noise machine's ability to shout louder than anyone else is great for conservative politicians, but it's hurting our country. How is a democracy supposed to adjust to circumstances when the debate is brought to the level of an elementary school playground fight?
I met an informed, reasonable republican on slashdot the other day. I praised him for his character, but in fact I was shocked because usually I only meet people like you, who gloss over reality because they came up with a witty barb to toss at the other party.
You guys are really good at that, credit where credit is due; it's only to bad that you are fucking us all over by removing the substance of the conversation.