Yes, I use fb800x600 with knoppix, also installed DSL to the hard drive yesterday. (Funnily enough, I accidentally installed it to the 384mb swap partition. They really do mean 'damn small';-)
When I installed knoppix to HD the console was 1024x768 on reboot, and when X came up it was a fuzzy grey screen with a white circle for a cursor. Used ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a console, stopped X, changed res in XF86Config, restarted X, still the same. (I want to use icewm on this, kde is too big.)
I have 5 gentoo machines in the house, networked. I know how to set it up so it makes sense to use it, but booting from the gentoo Live CD with 'nofb noX' (so I can read the screen!) gives me a 'CD not found' error. I burned a CD at 4x speed, just in case, but got the same error. (The laptop cdrom is a 24x, so I thought it would be new enough to handle the CDR media)
I have an external 40gb harddrive, I'll try a stage 3 install from there next.
The hard drive went in fine, although bios says it's 8gb. I partitioned it using a 2.5" external USB drive case, then dropped it into the laptop.
I used 16gb fat32, then an extended parition with 384mb swap, 5gb linux and another ~7gb fat32.
It's much quieter than the original 2gb, and about half the weight, too. (And 2/3 the height)
Less luck installing linux. Tried Mandrake, Knoppix, Gentoo and they all come up with CDRom/Loopback errors. One problem is that they keep choosing 1024x768, which shows up as an oversized screen (I think the panel can only do 800x600, looks like a bug)
Will keep messing around with it.
Cheers
Simon
Agreed about the quality of the laptop - I've written two novels on it, finishing the third now.
I'm hoping the 30 will install ok. I have a USB external 40gb partitioned 16/16/7 and it can't see the last partition, so I assume 32gb is the limit. I have a 2gb drive in there now, I'm also hoping the 30gb will be a bit quicker, quieter and economical on power. Don't want much, eh?
I have a CD rom in the machine, booted knoppix but it's very slow (didn't have the patience to try audio) I tried 'damn small linux', but it won't see the usb side of things, let alone the audio.
Just tried knoppix again, don't know if cs4236 is a kernerl driver but it's not included with the distro. (Checking the kernel options now)
I got a feeling of deja vu reading this - I'm a Science Fiction writer, and I have a system in my universe where spaceships/planets handle communications the same way. Communications between star systems aren't possible, but ships carrying packets of data (duplicated across multiple ships) arrive, disgorge, load up and somehow the whole mess of data resolves itself.
Even though my books are humour, and I don't explicitly detail the comms method above, that's what I have to abide by. It does lead to workarounds in the plot where a guy in system A needs to call someone in system B. Also, no realtime conversations.
On a separate note, the 3rd novel in the series involves the bad guys trying to plant evidence so they can sue over theft of code. Don't know where that idea came from.
I just put Linux onto my kids' computers, dual booted with Windows. They choose the OS they want to use at startup.
I added a frozen bubble kde desktop icon manually to the eldest daughter's pc (using an editor) from my own machine, 'cos I was too lazy to walk 30 metres. When she tried to run it, I'd forgotten to change permissions, so it didn't start. I walked the 30m anyway, opened a terminal window, typed frozen-bubble and hit enter. Game on.
So, ten minutes later I go back to see how she's getting on. (Another 60m round trip, any more of this and I'll be fit again) Frozen bubble was running on hers, but it's now running on her sister's PC as well, on the next desk.
"How'd you do that?" I asked.
"I opened that yellow window and entered frozen-bubble," she says, with an air of 'You think I'm dumb or something?'
She's nine years old, the younger sister is six. Don't tell me kids can't learn to use computers. The six-year old regularly installs new CD-based games from her sister's collection. Now you know why they both got 80gb hard drives last week;-)
On a related note, what's a good kid-friendly network game? And I don't mean doom:-)
There are different desktop users. I run Linux on my desktop, I'd consider myself an advanced computer user. Early adopter, not afraid to be different. (I had an Atari ST when everyone else had Amigas;-)
We're swapping to Linux on the desktop at work, that's the '2004 desktop user' category. Configured, locked down, a tool with specific tasks in mind.
My mum runs Linux on her desktop, but I set it up for her. She wouldn't have bought a linux boxed set and installed it, and I think she's one of the '5-10 years from now' users Linus is talking about. I think the fallacy with that kind of example is that my mum wouldn't buy Windows XP and install it over '98, either.
In terms of preloads, I can see that happening but it seems to me that sooner or later everyone has to build an app or kernel driver from source. It sounds offputting, but a good example is Vmware, which goes through the process with three presses of the Enter key.
"Why so many problems? I think kids expect more from today's toys than just bricks."
No, the parents do. They're the ones who buy large, expensive presents (usually out of guilt - long hours at work, snappy because they're stressed, etc), and the kids are the ones who will happily cut up the box to make a robot body, or a castle.
I fall for the 'expensive gift syndrome' now and then, like any parent I want the best for my kids.
Not when it comes to lego, though. I bought them a huge bucket of second-hand lego when the eldest was barely 3 years old. That's what I had when I was a kid, and stirring through the parts looking for a particular shape is what makes lego fun, not trying to find part 6C from page 27.
I wish people would realise that kids haven't changed at all, I watch my kids playing and while they have gameboys and PCs they still get through an enormous amount of paper, cardboard, sticky tape, crayons and paints. Right now they're building a pirate ship in the lounge, using the outdoor furniture, the curtains and several large buckets of paint... oops, gotta go!
I paid someone with an AOL email address back in December (using Paypal) He wrote today, telling me I should have paid for the auction within 10 days.
If AOL is blocking his Paypal 'payment' messages, and AOL is blocking my ISP too, I just hope this dude heads off to the Paypal web site and checks his account before he posts a rude feedback msg for me on ebay...
iiNet is one of the largest ISPs in Australia (third or fourth now, I think). I got an advisory yesterday saying AOL and RR had both blocked all inbound mail from iinet as 'spam'
They can crow about 500 billion mails all they like, but if a lot of it involves turning off mail from whole slabs of legitimate users, then it's not much of a service.
The other thing is, if spammers are using trojans to create spam relays, then it's a bit hard to blame a particular ISP if a bunch of their users have been infected with this stuff.
iiNet has a policy of advising users when they appear to be infected, they're cluey people too, they run everything on Debian as far as I can tell, and they have local mirrors for many Linux distros etc. I guess what I'm saying is that if you're going to block an ISP's mail you'd start with clueless behemoths who don't give a damn.
Anyway, they appear to have a work-around in place, but RR is still blocking.
Simon
And those trusting people that wrote BBS software. There was a message board where you could post private msgs to others, and the 'from' field was an editable string. (Hmm, come to think of it nothing much has changed in the past 20 years, has it?)
Anyway, I msgd 3 tradewars enemies to move all their ships to a certain sector and signed each msg with one of the others' names. At 11:55 pm I logged in and moved my entire fleet to said sector, comprehensively thrashing the lot of them in one hit.
Hey, it was easier than looking for them all over the map;-)
Since then, I've more-or-less behaved myself. Promise.
Cheers
Simon
The KDE/Gnome argument always pops up when people talk about forking, but you can't expect developers working on similar projects to give up their dreams and design goals to work together on a single project. It's a bit like saying all the auto manufacturers should quit building competing products and just get out there and build boxes with a wheel in each corner.
I've been using KDE for years, every now and then I load up Gnome for a progress check, but it doesn't suit me. I don't like Mac OS either, but I'm grateful for the diversity because it means that there's always going to be choice, competition and Evolution. (Or Kmail)
Joe end-user? They'll use whatever comes up when they press the power button.
Cheers
Simon
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WST - Perth, Western Australia
I'll try the gentoo forums, they're a very helpful bunch.
Cheers
Simon
Hi,
;-)
Yes, I use fb800x600 with knoppix, also installed DSL to the hard drive yesterday. (Funnily enough, I accidentally installed it to the 384mb swap partition. They really do mean 'damn small'
When I installed knoppix to HD the console was 1024x768 on reboot, and when X came up it was a fuzzy grey screen with a white circle for a cursor. Used ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a console, stopped X, changed res in XF86Config, restarted X, still the same. (I want to use icewm on this, kde is too big.)
I have 5 gentoo machines in the house, networked. I know how to set it up so it makes sense to use it, but booting from the gentoo Live CD with 'nofb noX' (so I can read the screen!) gives me a 'CD not found' error. I burned a CD at 4x speed, just in case, but got the same error. (The laptop cdrom is a 24x, so I thought it would be new enough to handle the CDR media)
I have an external 40gb harddrive, I'll try a stage 3 install from there next.
Cheers
Simon
The hard drive went in fine, although bios says it's 8gb. I partitioned it using a 2.5" external USB drive case, then dropped it into the laptop. I used 16gb fat32, then an extended parition with 384mb swap, 5gb linux and another ~7gb fat32. It's much quieter than the original 2gb, and about half the weight, too. (And 2/3 the height) Less luck installing linux. Tried Mandrake, Knoppix, Gentoo and they all come up with CDRom/Loopback errors. One problem is that they keep choosing 1024x768, which shows up as an oversized screen (I think the panel can only do 800x600, looks like a bug) Will keep messing around with it. Cheers Simon
Agreed about the quality of the laptop - I've written two novels on it, finishing the third now.
I'm hoping the 30 will install ok. I have a USB external 40gb partitioned 16/16/7 and it can't see the last partition, so I assume 32gb is the limit. I have a 2gb drive in there now, I'm also hoping the 30gb will be a bit quicker, quieter and economical on power. Don't want much, eh?
I have a CD rom in the machine, booted knoppix but it's very slow (didn't have the patience to try audio) I tried 'damn small linux', but it won't see the usb side of things, let alone the audio.
Just tried knoppix again, don't know if cs4236 is a kernerl driver but it's not included with the distro. (Checking the kernel options now)
Cheers Simon
I have a Digital Hinote vp717, just upgraded the ram from 32mb to 140mb yesterday. (Want a 16mb stick, got one spare now ;-)
Anyway, the soundcard is a 'Crystal PNP audio system' (how useful is that?) The Windows driver says CS4236/37/38
Fitting a 30gb drive to it this week, then I'll be able to install an icewm setup and I'll mess with the linux sound drivers.
Cheers
Simon
Hal Spacejock Lives!
I got a feeling of deja vu reading this - I'm a Science Fiction writer, and I have a system in my universe where spaceships/planets handle communications the same way. Communications between star systems aren't possible, but ships carrying packets of data (duplicated across multiple ships) arrive, disgorge, load up and somehow the whole mess of data resolves itself.
Even though my books are humour, and I don't explicitly detail the comms method above, that's what I have to abide by. It does lead to workarounds in the plot where a guy in system A needs to call someone in system B. Also, no realtime conversations.
On a separate note, the 3rd novel in the series involves the bad guys trying to plant evidence so they can sue over theft of code. Don't know where that idea came from.
Cheers,
Simon
Hal Spacejock
I just put Linux onto my kids' computers, dual booted with Windows. They choose the OS they want to use at startup.
;-)
:-)
I added a frozen bubble kde desktop icon manually to the eldest daughter's pc (using an editor) from my own machine, 'cos I was too lazy to walk 30 metres. When she tried to run it, I'd forgotten to change permissions, so it didn't start. I walked the 30m anyway, opened a terminal window, typed frozen-bubble and hit enter. Game on.
So, ten minutes later I go back to see how she's getting on. (Another 60m round trip, any more of this and I'll be fit again) Frozen bubble was running on hers, but it's now running on her sister's PC as well, on the next desk.
"How'd you do that?" I asked.
"I opened that yellow window and entered frozen-bubble," she says, with an air of 'You think I'm dumb or something?'
She's nine years old, the younger sister is six. Don't tell me kids can't learn to use computers. The six-year old regularly installs new CD-based games from her sister's collection. Now you know why they both got 80gb hard drives last week
On a related note, what's a good kid-friendly network game? And I don't mean doom
Cheers
Simon
There are different desktop users. I run Linux on my desktop, I'd consider myself an advanced computer user. Early adopter, not afraid to be different. (I had an Atari ST when everyone else had Amigas ;-)
We're swapping to Linux on the desktop at work, that's the '2004 desktop user' category. Configured, locked down, a tool with specific tasks in mind.
My mum runs Linux on her desktop, but I set it up for her. She wouldn't have bought a linux boxed set and installed it, and I think she's one of the '5-10 years from now' users Linus is talking about. I think the fallacy with that kind of example is that my mum wouldn't buy Windows XP and install it over '98, either.
In terms of preloads, I can see that happening but it seems to me that sooner or later everyone has to build an app or kernel driver from source. It sounds offputting, but a good example is Vmware, which goes through the process with three presses of the Enter key.
Cheers
Simon
One way trip? How d'you think they colonised Australia :-)
Cheers
Simon
"Why so many problems? I think kids expect more from today's toys than just bricks." No, the parents do. They're the ones who buy large, expensive presents (usually out of guilt - long hours at work, snappy because they're stressed, etc), and the kids are the ones who will happily cut up the box to make a robot body, or a castle. I fall for the 'expensive gift syndrome' now and then, like any parent I want the best for my kids. Not when it comes to lego, though. I bought them a huge bucket of second-hand lego when the eldest was barely 3 years old. That's what I had when I was a kid, and stirring through the parts looking for a particular shape is what makes lego fun, not trying to find part 6C from page 27. I wish people would realise that kids haven't changed at all, I watch my kids playing and while they have gameboys and PCs they still get through an enormous amount of paper, cardboard, sticky tape, crayons and paints. Right now they're building a pirate ship in the lounge, using the outdoor furniture, the curtains and several large buckets of paint... oops, gotta go!
http://spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040104image1.h tml
I paid someone with an AOL email address back in December (using Paypal) He wrote today, telling me I should have paid for the auction within 10 days. If AOL is blocking his Paypal 'payment' messages, and AOL is blocking my ISP too, I just hope this dude heads off to the Paypal web site and checks his account before he posts a rude feedback msg for me on ebay...
iiNet is one of the largest ISPs in Australia (third or fourth now, I think). I got an advisory yesterday saying AOL and RR had both blocked all inbound mail from iinet as 'spam' They can crow about 500 billion mails all they like, but if a lot of it involves turning off mail from whole slabs of legitimate users, then it's not much of a service. The other thing is, if spammers are using trojans to create spam relays, then it's a bit hard to blame a particular ISP if a bunch of their users have been infected with this stuff. iiNet has a policy of advising users when they appear to be infected, they're cluey people too, they run everything on Debian as far as I can tell, and they have local mirrors for many Linux distros etc. I guess what I'm saying is that if you're going to block an ISP's mail you'd start with clueless behemoths who don't give a damn. Anyway, they appear to have a work-around in place, but RR is still blocking. Simon
And those trusting people that wrote BBS software. There was a message board where you could post private msgs to others, and the 'from' field was an editable string. (Hmm, come to think of it nothing much has changed in the past 20 years, has it?) Anyway, I msgd 3 tradewars enemies to move all their ships to a certain sector and signed each msg with one of the others' names. At 11:55 pm I logged in and moved my entire fleet to said sector, comprehensively thrashing the lot of them in one hit. Hey, it was easier than looking for them all over the map ;-)
Since then, I've more-or-less behaved myself. Promise.
Cheers
Simon
The KDE/Gnome argument always pops up when people talk about forking, but you can't expect developers working on similar projects to give up their dreams and design goals to work together on a single project. It's a bit like saying all the auto manufacturers should quit building competing products and just get out there and build boxes with a wheel in each corner. I've been using KDE for years, every now and then I load up Gnome for a progress check, but it doesn't suit me. I don't like Mac OS either, but I'm grateful for the diversity because it means that there's always going to be choice, competition and Evolution. (Or Kmail) Joe end-user? They'll use whatever comes up when they press the power button. Cheers Simon
Same topic, different sky car, different URL: http://www.haynes-aero.com Cheers Simon
I think he realises what he's done: "libcaca - Colour AsCii Art library - it's da shit!" Simon
Uh-oh, sounds like Linux is going to get screwed.