Is the bug patched yet? Or are they waiting for something serious to come from people exploiting this sytem?
Serious being something really bad... like, I dunno, copyright violation?
..who originally thought this article was referring to Sun Microsystems? I mean, then I finished reading the summary, but jeesh that was confusing for a second.
TCP/IP overtook OSI as a network model. While OSI is relatively simpler and more clear cut, it took ISO so long to get it off the ground that by the time it actually solidified TCP/IP had left it in the dust. So far as I know, to this day TCP/IP isn't a true standard as much as it is a de facto standard. I say, let the beurocracies procrasterbate, and the people who actually write software will decide which standard they want. Ultimately a voted-on standard isn't that important if no one uses it.
Think about it.. protesters would make wonderful labrats for this. They're already primed to think that the government is going to swoop in and brutalize (like at the WTO protests, etc), and paranoia and emotions are running hot. They're on the lookout. As mentioned above, if the flyers can be used and not spotted, especially by an overly paranoid angry crowd, they'd almost definately be successful behind enemy lines on unsuspecting individuals.
I didn't say Taiwan WAS China dumbass, learn to comprehend what you read, mmmk? All I did was use Taiwan as an example of how pretty much everything made laptop-wise comes from SE Asia. Prostar laptops wouldn't work for what he needs because he needs something durable and dependable, neither of which Prostar laptops are.
SE Asia is the haven for most OEM's to purchase their laptops. For instance, old alienware laptops were actually Prostar laptops with a different logo (a Taiwanese manufacturer). Its going to be hard for you to find something that will allow you to divorce yourself from hardware without Chinese connections.
I'm just curious, but the court docs don't say that it was rejected, they say that it was remanded. The two are very different things. Rejection means poof, its done. No more contesting unless someone appeals. Remanding means that it is returned back to the prior stage of the legal system to be looked at again. Maybe I'm misreading this?
Ok, if you buy a brand new car with a warranty, and you then perform a bunch of aftermarket mods to it, including modifying the computer, should the manufacturer support it? No. You performed modification to a device which is meant to function in a specific way. You assume whenever you hack something you're voiding your warranty. There are books entitled, "How to have fun while voiding your warranty" about hardware hacks.
You're just pissed because you bought a 500$ device, and now you face bricking it because you rushed out of the gate to mod it. You have implemented things from a 3rd party, not apple. Why should apple support things that aren't theirs? It is no longer the device they sold you. Turn to the 3rd party hack vendors to update. Seriously, you can't have the best of both worlds. Get the hell over it.
The most important thing is that apple informed you. Imagine if they released the update and said nothing? At least now you can continue using your iphone as is. So really, you haven't lost anything.
I agree, I screwed up the nomenclature a little bit. Either way, someone who comes up with a creative hack should be rewarded for it. By exploiting the hole, he increased security. In the short term he cost people money. In the long run he most likely saved them money. The guy is serving his time in a Chinese prison which is no cakewalk. I am of the opinion that someone who has served their time has served their time. Maybe I'm too optimistic about human nature. The fact is, he came up with a nice hack, and hopefully he'll be coming up with other nice hacks in the future.
Its a whole lot better than the one worm that had a hidden marriage proposal for Morgan "The ManJaw" Webb.
Are you kidding? This is HOW security comes into being. If no one compromises security, exploits holes, and shows people the errors that exist they will never get patched. That is why black, white, and gray hats exist. Its like yin and yang. Devs write something, black hats find holes, and the white hats fix it. If they can do it all in house, everyone is better off.
Whose the one really to blame, the company who writes the shoddy software with gaping holes in it, or the guy who walks in through those holes?
And in the meantime hospitals who depend on our product lose support, my company goes under, and my fellow workers lose their jobs, and hospitals lose their ability to read studies since many of them no longer have film printers on site. I'm not looking for the world or to never work after hours again, I'm looking for compensation for my time WAY beyond the call of duty. I have a feeling most people feel the same way.
Hell, I'd settle for an extra couple days of vacation time. I like what I do, and I like knowing my job helps to save lives.
I think you're all missing the "kind of" qualifier. I do love my job, even if it is a pain in the ass. They don't care if I stroll in two hours late because they know I bust my ass. However, I think there should be something to protect IT workers because until there is, companies are going to be asking for more and more. I'm lucky I'm not one of the programmers here, one actually has a cot in an unused side room. Granted, he also makes about 3 times what I do.
That said, the plumber example above is a good one. Yes, I'm a professional. That doesn't mean I should get taken advantage of.
Ok, I'm a salaried network admin/systems technician. When I applied for my job as a systems tech, I was assured it would be an 8-5 job. Well, about 2 weeks in I am asked to handle a week of after hours calls. This is fine, except my company is in the Medical/PACS industry. If radiologists can't get their images, people could die. Some nights I will get 10+ calls. Do I get comped? No. Do I get anything for this? No. I applied to build servers and be a backup for fielding calls and was assured a certain set of hours. I did my time on helpdesk and would like to think I'd finally graduated past it. I would just like to see some sort of gratuity from the company for me having to literally go 2-3 days without sleep sometimes because of late night calls. Its bad enough when I work from 8 until 10 at night, but then to get calls most of the night after, I think I deserve something.
Ok, I'm about as left wing as they come. I aspire to join the weathermen. And I really don't see anything wrong with this. First off, apple hasn't pressed charges, or even tried to force the issue about the DMCA exceptions to unlocking their phone. You make the choice to unlock it, and if you do, you're taking the risk. I mean, if I put a modified firmware on my bios/cdrom/harddrive and it bricks, I can't bitch about it, its my fault. There's a thing called personal responsibility, and you assume it when you modify any hardware you have. At least apple has the decency to look out for its customers who have unlocked their phones, as opposed to just releasing the update. They're not being draconian, they simply can't assure their customers that the update won't brick their phones because they can't account for every hack out there. Its a CYA thing.
None of this bothers me that much, I went through similar songs and dances with my PSP, though not quite so bad. Besides, the homebrew and hardware hacking minds out there will have a modified updater, or updated unlocker within a week or two after the release anyways. So chicken littles of the iphone world, fear not.
You're not paranoid about getting blown up because terrorists are the "Charlie" and "Jerry" of the new millenium. There most likely are no terrorists. If you don't believe the whole US and Britain control thing, look up Mossadegue in Iran and the Pahlavi family. Or for Iraq, look at everything prior to the Ba'ath party. We took them over, made them colonies, manipulated their governments, and when they rose against them we declared them loose cannons. They turn to the UN, but, guess what? The UN can't do anything because the US can veto whatever it wants because of its seat at the security council.
The terrorists were simply a means to rouse public support to start a war in the middle east, so the US and Britain could get back to the Iraqi and Iranian oil that they enjoyed throughout most of the 20th century - just like Pearl Harbor (as the Project for the New American Century so boldly proclaimed on their website). Funny thing is, most modern day historians accept that the US Government knew about Pearl Harbor, and chose to use it as a means to enter the war - which explains why all of our aircraft carriers were moved out of the harbor the days before.
Ok, so that means that its ok if I take an ipod, or laptop on a plane. However I can't take homebrew electronics. So are things I make at home not good enough? Why do companies get preferential treatment over me?
If I can take an ipod, can I take an Ipod that has been hardware hacked and has wires exposed? Or will I get arrested for posessing a "hoax" device? What really terrifies me is that I work with electronics every day that are both commercial and homebrew, and many of them would be completely unidentifiable to the general public - so if the definition of a hoax device is a device that could be perceived a certain way...
What defines a hoax device? Judging from the pictures its pretty obvious its not a bomb. Its a shirt that has paint holding on a PCB for power to light LED's and paint.
So can I point my finger at the next asshole who has a cell phone and say they have a hoax device just because I might not know what it is?
I want to see the classification of what is a hoax device.
Its a shame your family issues prevented you from pressing this. There was already a clear legal precedent, you had a clear transcript of the written law. Not only would you have won the case, but you could have in turn sued Circuit City inc. for unlawful imprisonment (preventing you from exiting on your own accord). You could have then sued the city, particularly the officer, for false arrest.
Sadly, as has been stated, the DA basically silenced him with a deal. Real change only occurs when you DO press the issue, and then bitchslap the hell out of the state and company so they learn their lesson and don't do it again. Because you left it where it stood, nothing punitive is going to happen to CC. Their policies will not change, and other people will recieve the same treatment. The city will still ignore its own laws.
Hell, you most likely could have found a lawyer to do it pro-bono so long as you promised to follow through with a civil suit. I applaud your courage, most americans these days would sooner forget their rights than use them. However, ultimately you've cost yourself and a lot of other people money and accomplished absolutely nothing. Your actions are notable for their utter lack of meaning in the grand scheme of things.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Just curious, but how can some of you so callously be willing to deprive someone of the rights that so many people fought and died for? Because he was causing a scene? Big deal, its his right. Because he's press? Big deal, its his right. Numerous times people in the crowd cry out to do something, which any decent lawyer will state is proof that the police were using excessive force. On top of that the officer tells the camera holder to stop recording - at a public forum. You keep saying he got what he deserved - what happens the day when you ask a question and they don't like it?
I just hope every soldier in Iraq can smile, knowing that videos like this demonstrate what freedoms they get to dodge bullets for. Thanks for protecting the police state.
Microsoft seems to be making a lot of buddy buddy partnerships for compatibility recently. The novell one made me think they're going to try pulling something, but now they're going for Sun? Hmmm, maybe M$ actually is trying to actually fix its interoperability issues?
Theres got to be a catch here somewhere.
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Is the bug patched yet? Or are they waiting for something serious to come from people exploiting this sytem? Serious being something really bad... like, I dunno, copyright violation?
..who originally thought this article was referring to Sun Microsystems? I mean, then I finished reading the summary, but jeesh that was confusing for a second.
TCP/IP overtook OSI as a network model. While OSI is relatively simpler and more clear cut, it took ISO so long to get it off the ground that by the time it actually solidified TCP/IP had left it in the dust. So far as I know, to this day TCP/IP isn't a true standard as much as it is a de facto standard. I say, let the beurocracies procrasterbate, and the people who actually write software will decide which standard they want. Ultimately a voted-on standard isn't that important if no one uses it.
The idea of an illegal copy of linux is kind of a paradox, isn't it?
Guess we should call it wikipeakia then? Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Think about it.. protesters would make wonderful labrats for this. They're already primed to think that the government is going to swoop in and brutalize (like at the WTO protests, etc), and paranoia and emotions are running hot. They're on the lookout. As mentioned above, if the flyers can be used and not spotted, especially by an overly paranoid angry crowd, they'd almost definately be successful behind enemy lines on unsuspecting individuals.
Well you can, it just involves a microwave oven, or possibly a HERF gun.
I didn't say Taiwan WAS China dumbass, learn to comprehend what you read, mmmk? All I did was use Taiwan as an example of how pretty much everything made laptop-wise comes from SE Asia. Prostar laptops wouldn't work for what he needs because he needs something durable and dependable, neither of which Prostar laptops are.
SE Asia is the haven for most OEM's to purchase their laptops. For instance, old alienware laptops were actually Prostar laptops with a different logo (a Taiwanese manufacturer). Its going to be hard for you to find something that will allow you to divorce yourself from hardware without Chinese connections.
I'm just curious, but the court docs don't say that it was rejected, they say that it was remanded. The two are very different things. Rejection means poof, its done. No more contesting unless someone appeals. Remanding means that it is returned back to the prior stage of the legal system to be looked at again. Maybe I'm misreading this?
Ok, if you buy a brand new car with a warranty, and you then perform a bunch of aftermarket mods to it, including modifying the computer, should the manufacturer support it? No. You performed modification to a device which is meant to function in a specific way. You assume whenever you hack something you're voiding your warranty. There are books entitled, "How to have fun while voiding your warranty" about hardware hacks. You're just pissed because you bought a 500$ device, and now you face bricking it because you rushed out of the gate to mod it. You have implemented things from a 3rd party, not apple. Why should apple support things that aren't theirs? It is no longer the device they sold you. Turn to the 3rd party hack vendors to update. Seriously, you can't have the best of both worlds. Get the hell over it. The most important thing is that apple informed you. Imagine if they released the update and said nothing? At least now you can continue using your iphone as is. So really, you haven't lost anything.
I agree, I screwed up the nomenclature a little bit. Either way, someone who comes up with a creative hack should be rewarded for it. By exploiting the hole, he increased security. In the short term he cost people money. In the long run he most likely saved them money. The guy is serving his time in a Chinese prison which is no cakewalk. I am of the opinion that someone who has served their time has served their time. Maybe I'm too optimistic about human nature. The fact is, he came up with a nice hack, and hopefully he'll be coming up with other nice hacks in the future. Its a whole lot better than the one worm that had a hidden marriage proposal for Morgan "The ManJaw" Webb.
Are you kidding? This is HOW security comes into being. If no one compromises security, exploits holes, and shows people the errors that exist they will never get patched. That is why black, white, and gray hats exist. Its like yin and yang. Devs write something, black hats find holes, and the white hats fix it. If they can do it all in house, everyone is better off. Whose the one really to blame, the company who writes the shoddy software with gaping holes in it, or the guy who walks in through those holes?
And in the meantime hospitals who depend on our product lose support, my company goes under, and my fellow workers lose their jobs, and hospitals lose their ability to read studies since many of them no longer have film printers on site. I'm not looking for the world or to never work after hours again, I'm looking for compensation for my time WAY beyond the call of duty. I have a feeling most people feel the same way. Hell, I'd settle for an extra couple days of vacation time. I like what I do, and I like knowing my job helps to save lives.
I think you're all missing the "kind of" qualifier. I do love my job, even if it is a pain in the ass. They don't care if I stroll in two hours late because they know I bust my ass. However, I think there should be something to protect IT workers because until there is, companies are going to be asking for more and more. I'm lucky I'm not one of the programmers here, one actually has a cot in an unused side room. Granted, he also makes about 3 times what I do. That said, the plumber example above is a good one. Yes, I'm a professional. That doesn't mean I should get taken advantage of.
Ok, I'm a salaried network admin/systems technician. When I applied for my job as a systems tech, I was assured it would be an 8-5 job. Well, about 2 weeks in I am asked to handle a week of after hours calls. This is fine, except my company is in the Medical/PACS industry. If radiologists can't get their images, people could die. Some nights I will get 10+ calls. Do I get comped? No. Do I get anything for this? No. I applied to build servers and be a backup for fielding calls and was assured a certain set of hours. I did my time on helpdesk and would like to think I'd finally graduated past it. I would just like to see some sort of gratuity from the company for me having to literally go 2-3 days without sleep sometimes because of late night calls. Its bad enough when I work from 8 until 10 at night, but then to get calls most of the night after, I think I deserve something.
Ok, I'm about as left wing as they come. I aspire to join the weathermen. And I really don't see anything wrong with this. First off, apple hasn't pressed charges, or even tried to force the issue about the DMCA exceptions to unlocking their phone. You make the choice to unlock it, and if you do, you're taking the risk. I mean, if I put a modified firmware on my bios/cdrom/harddrive and it bricks, I can't bitch about it, its my fault. There's a thing called personal responsibility, and you assume it when you modify any hardware you have. At least apple has the decency to look out for its customers who have unlocked their phones, as opposed to just releasing the update. They're not being draconian, they simply can't assure their customers that the update won't brick their phones because they can't account for every hack out there. Its a CYA thing. None of this bothers me that much, I went through similar songs and dances with my PSP, though not quite so bad. Besides, the homebrew and hardware hacking minds out there will have a modified updater, or updated unlocker within a week or two after the release anyways. So chicken littles of the iphone world, fear not.
Let me quote a great man... err.. muppet: "I sense in him much fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
You're not paranoid about getting blown up because terrorists are the "Charlie" and "Jerry" of the new millenium. There most likely are no terrorists. If you don't believe the whole US and Britain control thing, look up Mossadegue in Iran and the Pahlavi family. Or for Iraq, look at everything prior to the Ba'ath party. We took them over, made them colonies, manipulated their governments, and when they rose against them we declared them loose cannons. They turn to the UN, but, guess what? The UN can't do anything because the US can veto whatever it wants because of its seat at the security council. The terrorists were simply a means to rouse public support to start a war in the middle east, so the US and Britain could get back to the Iraqi and Iranian oil that they enjoyed throughout most of the 20th century - just like Pearl Harbor (as the Project for the New American Century so boldly proclaimed on their website). Funny thing is, most modern day historians accept that the US Government knew about Pearl Harbor, and chose to use it as a means to enter the war - which explains why all of our aircraft carriers were moved out of the harbor the days before.
Ok, so that means that its ok if I take an ipod, or laptop on a plane. However I can't take homebrew electronics. So are things I make at home not good enough? Why do companies get preferential treatment over me? If I can take an ipod, can I take an Ipod that has been hardware hacked and has wires exposed? Or will I get arrested for posessing a "hoax" device? What really terrifies me is that I work with electronics every day that are both commercial and homebrew, and many of them would be completely unidentifiable to the general public - so if the definition of a hoax device is a device that could be perceived a certain way... What defines a hoax device? Judging from the pictures its pretty obvious its not a bomb. Its a shirt that has paint holding on a PCB for power to light LED's and paint. So can I point my finger at the next asshole who has a cell phone and say they have a hoax device just because I might not know what it is? I want to see the classification of what is a hoax device.
Its a shame your family issues prevented you from pressing this. There was already a clear legal precedent, you had a clear transcript of the written law. Not only would you have won the case, but you could have in turn sued Circuit City inc. for unlawful imprisonment (preventing you from exiting on your own accord). You could have then sued the city, particularly the officer, for false arrest.
Sadly, as has been stated, the DA basically silenced him with a deal. Real change only occurs when you DO press the issue, and then bitchslap the hell out of the state and company so they learn their lesson and don't do it again. Because you left it where it stood, nothing punitive is going to happen to CC. Their policies will not change, and other people will recieve the same treatment. The city will still ignore its own laws.
Hell, you most likely could have found a lawyer to do it pro-bono so long as you promised to follow through with a civil suit. I applaud your courage, most americans these days would sooner forget their rights than use them. However, ultimately you've cost yourself and a lot of other people money and accomplished absolutely nothing. Your actions are notable for their utter lack of meaning in the grand scheme of things.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Just curious, but how can some of you so callously be willing to deprive someone of the rights that so many people fought and died for? Because he was causing a scene? Big deal, its his right. Because he's press? Big deal, its his right. Numerous times people in the crowd cry out to do something, which any decent lawyer will state is proof that the police were using excessive force. On top of that the officer tells the camera holder to stop recording - at a public forum. You keep saying he got what he deserved - what happens the day when you ask a question and they don't like it? I just hope every soldier in Iraq can smile, knowing that videos like this demonstrate what freedoms they get to dodge bullets for. Thanks for protecting the police state.
You mean the government lied to the American people to garner support for its policy!? NO WAY!!!! OMG LRN2CANADA!
Microsoft seems to be making a lot of buddy buddy partnerships for compatibility recently. The novell one made me think they're going to try pulling something, but now they're going for Sun? Hmmm, maybe M$ actually is trying to actually fix its interoperability issues? Theres got to be a catch here somewhere.