So, it seems that it *is* a problem, but only as much of a problem as other touch screen (or non-touch screen for ear/face smears) phones. It's up to you if you consider the problem enough to not buy it...
> So, it seems as though those people who have actually *used* it seem to *like* it. Unlike the majority of stories, posts, blogs, etc. etc. we've seen recently.
Yes, they do seem to like it, but they don't seem to deny all the negative points that have been made, as far as I can tell.
Most things I've read say that the only interesting thing about it is the UI, but raise doubts about that even. The reviewers above seem to somewhat quell those doubts, but it will still be largely up to personal preference I think - some people just don't like to use touch screens and much prefer keyboards.
Like I say, the reviews I've read do seem to acknowledge the iPhone's shortcomings feature-wise.
That might work for the US market, but it won't for some others (eg China).
> - Apple says it plans to add fea
Ah, great. I'm sold. My current phone has 'fea', but I had heard the iPhone didn't have it. So, I'm pleased it does, and now I'm definitely going to get one.
> The iPhone is locked to AT&T services. That's how it is until we know otherwise.
Actually, I'd suggest that we don't even know that.
Until it actually ships, it is all speculation. IMO, there's nothing wrong with speculating, especially when so many seem so interested in it.
Why do you have a problem with speculation on this issue? Too much noise for you? I can understand that. I'm fairly sure I won't be buying an iPhone, but I might just be able to stretch to a Nokia N95, which doesn't have the flash UI that the iPhone is touting, but it has everything else (except, perhaps, this voice mail thing) and it doesn't have (m)any of the disadvantages either - here are some (Apple Mac vs PC ad spoof):
> As an aside, the most amusing thing is how people outside the US would rather put up with a pirated copy > of Windows than a free (as in worthless) copy of Lunix. So even when competing with free, Windows still > wins.
I don't get your logic. If (pirated) MS Windows wasn't free[1] and was it's real price (as in the US), it wouldn't win since most people couldn't afford it's price. As it is free, it has the market monopoly, and it's what people already know, it does win. Of course. What's amusing about that?
Also, I don't know of any serious disadvantage of running a pirated version of MS Windows (compared to the authentic version), so I don't know what you mean by 'put up with'.
[1] actually, pirated MS Windows usually isn't free, but it costs very little (about a dollar), so I guess there's some kind of line to be drawn after which people will not buy it and either do without or get something else that is free (and put up with the incompatibility and unfamiliar).
> The odds of it happening twice in a lifetime are so astronomical as to be the stuff of fiction.
By 'astronomical', you mean 'infinitesimal', right?
Otherwise, why bother with the first one, if the second one is so certain? Actually, it would seem that the second one is so likely, it's almost like it doesn't really matter if the first one happens at all...er, hrm. Sounds like something Douglas Adams would've thought up.
Wait. Is this one of those USian say-the-opposite-of-what-I-mean things?...like, "I ain't got no gun", or "I can't get no satisfaction". Oh, double wait. That last one was by them English blokes, right? Well, I guess it was where the guy was when he thought of it (Clearwater, Florida, apparently).
Ahhh. 'Click here to read the rest of the story'. I didn't notice that...I just read right over it thinking it was something to do with the comments/etc. doh!...though I don't take all the blame. IMO, a simple "page 2" or "next" would have worked.
> Oh, sometimes ISP's just do that, for various reasons (some just like to keep their pool of IP's constantly circulating, I guess so that you can pay them a premium for a static IP).
I had assumed they did it because I was consuming too much bandwidth. It seems to coincide with bittorrent/etc nicely.
> Since you've got DSL, you should also have microfilters plugged into EVERY object that's connected to your phone line, check them just to be sure (I had a similar issue because our satellite box also plugged into the phone line and the engineer didn't bother to plug in the microfilters correctly).
Well, I have *one* filter where the phone line enters the house, with the modem plugged into it's 'modem' socket, and everything else plugged into the 'phone' one (actually, I think it's just one phone, but I could put more if I wanted).
> You likely have a USB modem and this is your problem.
Good Lord, no.
I have a regular DSL modem with a RJ45/10BaseT socket (no USB). I have a Linksys WRT45G doing the DHCP...
I'm not sure what they do to 'disconnect' me, but the connection goes 'dead' - as in no traffic. The modem still shows it is connected, mostly; though even that sometimes disconnects. The modem at my end has to connect to another modem at the other end, so all they have to do is disconnect the other end.
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I'm fairly sure that they are *not*.
So, it seems that it *is* a problem, but only as much of a problem as other touch screen (or non-touch screen for ear/face smears) phones. It's up to you if you consider the problem enough to not buy it...
I agree, mostly. I am somewhat eagerly anticipating a second version though, with more competitive features. A flash UI doesn't cut it for me...
> So, it seems as though those people who have actually *used* it seem to *like* it. Unlike the majority of stories, posts, blogs, etc. etc. we've seen recently.
Yes, they do seem to like it, but they don't seem to deny all the negative points that have been made, as far as I can tell.
Most things I've read say that the only interesting thing about it is the UI, but raise doubts about that even. The reviewers above seem to somewhat quell those doubts, but it will still be largely up to personal preference I think - some people just don't like to use touch screens and much prefer keyboards.
Like I say, the reviews I've read do seem to acknowledge the iPhone's shortcomings feature-wise.
> Microsoft's Exchange system support
Doesn't he mean 'lack of...'?
> - Songs can't be set as ringtones
That might work for the US market, but it won't for some others (eg China).
> - Apple says it plans to add fea
Ah, great. I'm sold. My current phone has 'fea', but I had heard the iPhone didn't have it. So, I'm pleased it does, and now I'm definitely going to get one.
darn...links got broken. Lets try again :
v s-iphone--.htmlv s-iphone-1.html
/. code inserts a space between 'v' and 's' in the URL for some reason...but they still work when I put URL around them.
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/06/n95-
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/06/n95-
(Looks like
..and some comments from some nay-sayers (Apple Mac vs PC ad spoofs):
v s-iphone--.html [blogs.com]v s-iphone-1.html [blogs.com]
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/06/n95-
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/06/n95-
Mildly amusing, I suppose.
> The iPhone is locked to AT&T services. That's how it is until we know otherwise.
v s-iphone--.htmlv s-iphone-1.html
Actually, I'd suggest that we don't even know that.
Until it actually ships, it is all speculation. IMO, there's nothing wrong with speculating, especially when so many seem so interested in it.
Why do you have a problem with speculation on this issue? Too much noise for you? I can understand that. I'm fairly sure I won't be buying an iPhone, but I might just be able to stretch to a Nokia N95, which doesn't have the flash UI that the iPhone is touting, but it has everything else (except, perhaps, this voice mail thing) and it doesn't have (m)any of the disadvantages either - here are some (Apple Mac vs PC ad spoof):
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/06/n95-
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/06/n95-
I might be more interested in the second version, but time will tell.
> These aren't notes, Dave, they're speculation.
Are you saying notes cannot be speculative? That's a strange idea.
It might be useful to know in what way have you 'suffered'?
..round up...round up...new sun boxen for sale...will cure any ailment...
what a shamless plug of an article.
> As an aside, the most amusing thing is how people outside the US would rather put up with a pirated copy
> of Windows than a free (as in worthless) copy of Lunix. So even when competing with free, Windows still
> wins.
I don't get your logic. If (pirated) MS Windows wasn't free[1] and was it's real price (as in the US), it wouldn't win since most people couldn't afford it's price. As it is free, it has the market monopoly, and it's what people already know, it does win. Of course. What's amusing about that?
Also, I don't know of any serious disadvantage of running a pirated version of MS Windows (compared to the authentic version), so I don't know what you mean by 'put up with'.
[1] actually, pirated MS Windows usually isn't free, but it costs very little (about a dollar), so I guess there's some kind of line to be drawn after which people will not buy it and either do without or get something else that is free (and put up with the incompatibility and unfamiliar).
Hrm, yes, interesting.
/., but not often), and they wer just displayed during a beta period or something.
I wonder what their conceiver had in mind.
I admit I had thought of them more for searching (I have searched
If that isn't their purpose, then I guess the less 'formal' ones are quite valid...and perhaps more useful too.
yeah, for a while there, the tags actually were useful.
have they opened them up to abuse again?
Has this tagging thing been opened up again?
For a while there, the tags almost meant something.
ooh. ouch. please stop.
..actually, it seems to be intermittent.
A couple of other sites that are inaccessible (but for non-obvious reasons) :
http://www.swimman.com/
http://www.groklaw.net/
I thought it was too, but I just checked and it *is* accessible. It wasn't a little while ago...ah, now it is inaccessible again.
..ah, on again...strange.
I wonder what's going on...perhaps it *is* just network problems...
> ..but the English language version is accessible
...or perhaps it is just a network problem local to me.
No, it isn't.
Well, yes, obviously; but that isn't nearly so funny (IMO).
> The odds of it happening twice in a lifetime are so astronomical as to be the stuff of fiction.
...like, "I ain't got no gun", or "I can't get no satisfaction".
By 'astronomical', you mean 'infinitesimal', right?
Otherwise, why bother with the first one, if the second one is so certain?
Actually, it would seem that the second one is so likely, it's almost like it doesn't really matter if the first one happens at all...er, hrm. Sounds like something Douglas Adams would've thought up.
Wait. Is this one of those USian say-the-opposite-of-what-I-mean things?
Oh, double wait. That last one was by them English blokes, right? Well, I guess it was where the guy was when he thought of it (Clearwater, Florida, apparently).
"Link"? I don't see no stinking link...
...though I don't take all the blame. IMO, a simple "page 2" or "next" would have worked.
Ahhh. 'Click here to read the rest of the story'. I didn't notice that...I just read right over it thinking it was something to do with the comments/etc. doh!
> ..."Oh," he sneers, "you must have talked to our Morgan Hill [California] office. I'm not supposed to say anything but..."
:(
but *what*?....talk about a cliff hanger
> Oh, sometimes ISP's just do that, for various reasons (some just like to keep their pool of IP's constantly circulating, I guess so that you can pay them a premium for a static IP).
I had assumed they did it because I was consuming too much bandwidth. It seems to coincide with bittorrent/etc nicely.
> Since you've got DSL, you should also have microfilters plugged into EVERY object that's connected to your phone line, check them just to be sure (I had a similar issue because our satellite box also plugged into the phone line and the engineer didn't bother to plug in the microfilters correctly).
Well, I have *one* filter where the phone line enters the house, with the modem plugged into it's 'modem' socket, and everything else plugged into the 'phone' one (actually, I think it's just one phone, but I could put more if I wanted).
Max.
> You likely have a USB modem and this is your problem.
Good Lord, no.
I have a regular DSL modem with a RJ45/10BaseT socket (no USB). I have a Linksys WRT45G doing the DHCP...
I'm not sure what they do to 'disconnect' me, but the connection goes 'dead' - as in no traffic. The modem still shows it is connected, mostly; though even that sometimes disconnects. The modem at my end has to connect to another modem at the other end, so all they have to do is disconnect the other end.
Unless I'm very much mistaken...