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Stanford Gets First Sun Blackbox
miller60 writes "The Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC) will be the first end-user to get a Project Blackbox portable data center from Sun Microsystems. The 20-foot shipping container (which will be white, not black) will sit on a concrete pad behind the computer building with hookups to power, a 10-gigabit network connection and a chiller located on an adjacent pad. The 'data center in a box' will allow the SLAC to expand its computing capacity even though its existing data center has maxed out its power and cooling."
Therefore it's a whitebox.
Can't I get one in green?
But seriously folks, wouldn't black absorb the suns rays and increase cooling costs? Wouldn't mylar make abetter coating?
Although the terrorists will see it better from Google Earth, but maybe not? Maybe mylar is like tinfoil to Google Earth?
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
People were complaining that Sun didn't have a decent portable computer (they sold a few Tadpoles, but nothing they made themselves), and this is what they came up with. Apparently it's meant to be an iPhone killer.
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Wow! Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? :)
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Does it speak Chinese?
(And remember, kiddies: if you don't get the joke, it just might be because you haven't read enough philosophy.)
Project Blackbox is one incredibly cool device. Sun was gracious enough to park one as a demo at my company, and it's just a very well engineered, game-changing design. The beauty is that it can be done relatively cheap, because shipping containers are CHEAP in the US. Most of them come from China, and since we import more than we export, we're stuck with a boatload (literally) of excess containers.
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Imagine - rather than spending many millions building a true data center, you can just purchase a (relatively) cheap warehouse and line these things up inside. Instant data center - with lots of inherent redundancy.
Mirror one Blackbox to another across the warehouse.
Disaster Recovery? This the best thing since sliced bread. Park one at another facility 50 miles away and off you go.
I'm highly impressed. It's a bit cramped in there, but if you do your work neatly and place the servers in the racks correctly, it's not an issue. One shouldn't spend much time in the data center anyway!
and I asked
#1 - yes, they are standard racks, so other vendors' equipment will fit.
#2 - I asked about "oversized" equipment (such as Superdomes, E25k's, disk arrays, etc.) - they're working on a solution for that too. My guess is that it would involve removing some of the racks to make room.
I think Blackbox is a great idea with lots of deployment potential. Another thing to note - I was told that the air filters are designed to filter out lots of particulate matter -- sand included. You can guess why.
It's got an integrated GPS and alarming system. If it moves, pagers all over the place go off. Gotta love cellular technology!
Oh, so how will they keep it cool until then ? Not switch it on perhaps ?
Shit! Someone just stole my datacenter! :(
... will it run Vista’s Aero interface?
Cheap shot, I know.
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I'm just curious, but is the inside of this thing roomy enough for a person to easily get in there and replace a part? I know that node failures happen on a very regular basis with clusters and the box doesn't look very wide.
for Sun (Whose name came from where their first machines were seen, the Stanford University Network) to deploy their first of a new idea.
:)
I'm not sure it's the world-killer that everyone wants to think, mind: If your data center is tapped out for power or cooling, you'll still need to get portable power and cooling to go next to your portable data center, but it does seem to be an excellent idea to tide you over until your real data center expansion gets built. Which means I expect to see a number of these sitting outside fixed data center locations in a basically permanent role, just like the "temporary" trailer classroom buildings outside schools and all the other stop-gap measures we implement "just to tide us over" that wind up being permanent emplacements.
I kinda fear this outside our data center. Especially when the machines therein get on the "long in the tooth" side, and we've decommissioned every application in the thing but one.
It's a great new idea, don't get me wrong, but the problem is how most companies want to run their data centers doesn't look a whole lot like how anybody's actually doing so in the real world.
SLAC is in a big bind for space to house computers. They're out of power in their existing building but are also under very very onerous rules about approval for electrical installs due to an accident on site that nearly killed an electrician. They figure 24 months to get a new electrical feed from the transformers just outside the building... Apparently they'll be able to get the (simpler) electrical install of the Blackbox done more quickly.
So, they are using the Blackbox in the mode of "gotta get more capacity yesterday" vs. a real change in direction of datacenter planning... Still, I bet SUN sells more of these to customers in similar situations.
Yeah, because now that everyone here on /. has seen it sales will go through the roof.
/. sellout editors were trying to hawk their advertisers' wares with a slashvertisement for Spaceship One. I was helpless to resist their blatant advertising and now I've got Spaceship's Two and Three just sitting in the garage. I never even use them. Curse you /. editors and your evil advertising!
As I type this I'm on the phone with Sun ordering a $500,000 portable data centre off the back of an article I read via slashdot. Finally something that can run Aero!
I agree though, this is a shameless plug. It's a growing trend unfortunately. Remember just last year the
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I was a bit surprised that all the pictures only show off the outside and none of the links follow to info on what these things look like on the inside or how they work.
Here is Sun's page that shows off considerably more info: Sun's Project Black Box page
Basically the outside of the box has hookups for power, cooling water, and network. Everything on the inside is pre-wired. Servers aren't included, but they are designed to serve as the transport container for the servers -- not just a place to put servers once the box arrives (the racks have a shock-absorbing suspension system so that servers can be transported in the container without the need to unrack them or pack them for shipping.). When it arrives it just needs to be "plugged in" and it's literally ready to go. Since it really is a standard shipping container, all rules about shipping containers apply -- e.g. there's no shortage of trucks, trains, or boats designed specifically to hold them. They are structurally sturdy and can be stacked tall just like containers on a cargo ship.
I'm assuming you don't set this up 'in a parking lot' but under some sort of cover/tarp/tent, even painting it white, putting it outside in the northern california sun, can't be very efficient as far as cooling is concerned. How much insulation do they have between the metal of the 'box' and the interior walls?
If it's RAINING, how do you keep from increasing the humidity inside the box. In our datacenters, we have sticky plastic sheets on the floor outside the datacenter so you won't track dust into the datacenter. With a door that opens 'to the outside' how do you keep out dust/dirt?
What do you think would happen if a student pasted a "PODS" label on the side of it & called the company to come do a pickup ?
Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
I had the pleasure of getting to see and work with the demo unit that Sun had/has on tour. The inside of the unit has two rows of their custom built racks, three racks deep on both sides of the "black box". Each rack has a water cooling unit between it and the next rack in the row so that the hot air comming out of the front rack is cooled before it is used as the intake air for the following rack. The racks themselves are on a custom designed damping/shock absorption system and rail system so that when you need to work on a rack, it can be slid out into the center aisle where you can then access the front and back of the rack. A little planning is needed so that you have the appropriate tools/gear on the proper side of the rack before you pull it out into the center asile, however they do slide very easily even when loaded up so you can put is back in and move behind it or in front of it depending on what you need to do. It makes the most sense to have two people, one on either side do and work on the systems.
It may be a little warm in there if you place it out in the middle of nowhere as the cooling system is really designed just to cool the systems in racks, and not the entire box, especially when you have the front or back doors open, and you may want to close the inner door if you can to keep try and keep the moist outside air from entering the container, however there is a dehumidifier in the system to take care of that situation. It will be a little cramped working in there, but no more so then any high density compute server room. The main idea however is to not have to go in there very often, in which the Sun "lights out managment" systems come into play. The only reason to go into the container is for actual hardware failure, all other maintenace can be performed remotely on systems with the "lom" ports, from bios settings, to single user/maintenance mode issues.
As for your "I know that node failures happen on a very regular basis with clusters...", comment, I have personally found that if you are using "lom", you will almost never need to go in there unless it was a true hardware issue. In the 9 racks of beowulf cluster that I manage, there have only been 6 actual hardware outages over the last 3 years. The majority of issues are software related outages which can all be fixed over the "lom" connections, even reloading the OS...
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
Why does Stanford get preferential treatment? What has Stanford ever done for Sun?
Faraday cage large enough to encompass a shipping container... Check.
Honking-big wirecutters... Check.
Rollback flatbed truck with 20' bed and winch... Check.
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Better known as 318230.
I mean, look Apple, tried the whole white computer in a box thing with their so-called "Cube" and it never took off. To make it worse:
1. I think this computer looks even BIGGER and UGLIER than the Cube. (Can someone post picture of Cube and this together so we can see size differences to confirm?)
2. Though the internet connection is decent, I don't see a firewire port. HELLO! People still use firewire these days!!
3. Can I use it as a media center device? Those are cool. I think most American's will be able to fit this in their living room under their TV, but no way the Japanese are going to go for it with their smaller apartments...
Nice try, Sun, but I'm not going out and picking up another electrical substation powerstrip just to plug this (probably) under-powered and over-priced white "computer in a box" copycat...
Just thought you might want to know.
I have a $19.99 jammer.
HTH.
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I used to design modules very much like this for the oil biz, its a common way to provide office space, utilities, subsea control, temporary functions etc. for oil rigs and hazardous areas.
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You can order the shells pretty much any size/shape you want, especially if you dont have to worry about regulations.
Theyre not as sturdy as you might think tho, they get beat up something awful by transport, esp. offshore.
Crane operators like to use the one in the sling to knock the others in place/out of the way
So if you look at this but need some other function/more room etc. there is already a huge number of solutions and alot of companies who can tailor them or rent you one.
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this was at the menlo park unveiling, a few months ago, for employees and press.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Very informative post, thank you.
Did they happen to say what the ballpark price is for one of these?
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This isn't advertisement - it's an announcement of a really cool computer.
I'm fascinated.
i wonder what justin timberlake has to say about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA
So it only holds 6 racks? Sounds like a neat set-up, but no more space-efficient than a normal data center.
I guess they have sold at least one more than APC's "Data Center on Demand" with the Stanford purchase.
We had a concept that could hold a bit more equipment, but this seems to be pretty hassle-free.
A related link at the end of the article describes how Sun took one of their Black Box systems to a giant shake table at the seismic research center at UCSD, to see how well it would hold up during an earthquake. Some things pulled loose, and some things will need a little redesign, but it was able to keep functioning during and after the simulated earthquake. Sun produced a slick little video of it.
A BlackBox has 8 racks (not 6). One of the racks is used for infrastructure components, like the dehumidifier, power, network, etc. The remaining seven racks are 38 RU, but because of the power distribution unit and a patch-panel, you can fit 36 1U servers in a rack. That is a total of 252 1U servers per BlackBox.
Someone calculated that if you would fill it completely with for example X2200 servers (two dual-core AMD Opteron), it would end up around position 200 in the Supercomputing Top500.
Browsers shouldn't have a back button!! It's all about going forward...
And the people running the data center wouldn't notice that their 10gb link got disconnected/went down either?
i remember lots of talking several years ago about Google building datacenters-in-a-box.
what's interesting, is that they actually tried it, built some and found it impractical in the end.
i wonder if this offering by Sun really takes off...
I mean seriously -- we all know that physical access to the hardware == compromised security. Most datacenters exist inside a building, with card keys, reinforced walls, etc. etc. It seems like all you'd need to gain physical access to the servers in one of these things is a blowtorch.
Breakfast served all day!
I love how it took someone at Stanford to point out the idea of painting it white *laughs*
It will be a couple more days of work before they figure out to put a reflective cover slightly above the container, as even white paint is still very absorbent.
- Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
No/Thing
Where's my datacenter ?
I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
Instead of a banana in a tail pipe to kill the car...
A banana in the drain pipe to kill the data center.
I'm not sure about the GPS, but does have Sun Spots, which have accelerometers on them, which can detect motion in all three dimensions. This is probably the pager you heard about. I know because I have one of these!
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No Joke. One of my friends moved to Texas and started a Granite cutting business with his brother. One of the cutters cost $2.5 million and weighed something like 40 tonnes. One day he woke up at 5AM and the darn things was missing. Somebody was stupid enough to try and steal it, but they only got it 2 miles away before they abandoned their effort.
I just don't get it. I mean, I really, REALLY don't get it?!?!?!
Places like 365 Main offer top-notch server hosting for dirt-cheap prices. I have a half-rack there with 6, quad-core Opteron clustered LAMP servers in place now. Reliability is excellent, bandwidth availability is fabulous (we have a Gb interface to the Internet) and the price is just astonishingly cheap - although we are an "Internet Company", we spend more on phone calls than we do on hosting and related fees. Never mind hotels and travel/flight expenses!
We've gotten between 4 and 5 nines of uptime over the last 4 years just by using quality software, (Linux software stack) good quality (but generic) hardware, and a good quality, outsourced hosting environment, at a price you simply couldn't believe.
I've seen plenty of other companies roll their own datacenter at 3-10x the cost, with greatly reduced reliability, embarassing outages, and lots of internal friction over maintenance overhead. Me? I want it cheap, fast, and reliable. It really IS a case of cheaper is actually the best!
I can see the need for an "internal" datacenter if your needs are largely local and your bandwidth usage is great - think enterprise application availability, or large volume local network storage. But if your company's core deliverable is public facing, I can't imagine any advantage to having your own datacenter until you company income passes the "100 million/year" mark.
And yes, I'm the CTO of a million-dollar per year Internet services/software company, growing at about 50% annually. (We'll probably be close to the 2 million-dollar-per-year mark by Christmas)
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Yesterday was a truck-datacenter portable, now is almost a suitcase... Nice :)
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Just ten gigabits? One decent motherboard has two...
You could fix six 6U blade units into each of the seven general-purpose racks, and put sixteen blades into each. Put two quad-core processors on each blade, get 5376 processors into the rack. That should put you somewhere interesting in the Top500.
Xenu loves you!
You didn't see Sun site? It is famous for having "Add to Cart" button next to $1 M mainframe grade machines. I actually added stuff to cart and got bored when I hit $5M.
Now imagine if they had "1 Click Ordering". Thanks to Amazon for patenting it!
A container ship filled with these things, operating would probably cause real global warming!