> Chinese don't buy "Made in China" either when it comes to cars.
IINM... not so. Most of the 'European' cars you saw are made here (China). That's a big influence when they choose a car (or pretty much anything). A bigger influence is the 100% import tax on cars - which, IINM, was removed about a year ago.
> These people make $7-10K so how about charge them $3 for the same movie. No? Ok, expect piracy.
Right. Expect piracy... or no sales. People just can't afford those kind of prices - they simple won't buy it. They don't *need* the stuff, since there are alternatives. It might (or might not) be a pain to do without or find and use alternatives, but it would happen, then the US still wouldn't have any sales.
Like Microsoft, I think they prefer people get used to using their stuff, even if it is illegal, so that they do buy it should they get wealthy enough to do so. Piracy is also the main method of US cultural imperialism.
> Mostly China. Impose sanctions on China, and Americans will end up paying a little bit more for goods; China will lose out on investments and jobs.
Mostly the US, I think.
'Nobody' here (China) cares about the US. The jobs and investment will come from other countries wanting to get the benefit from the ballooning Chinese market - that's where the action is.
In an case, the US people won't tollerate prices going up. They're wimps for such things.
I don't think we yet know exactly how it will pan out.
What exactly will 'closed' mean for the iPhone?
We've heard some words on it, but not really the details.
Note that the most popular mobile phone platform, Nokia's S60 (just announced 100Million sales), is also now 'closed' for some definition of the word (with S60 3rd, you need to get applications officially tested).
> Communism... it requires a higher degree of censorship to work.
Now this isn't really directed at you, but in my personal view, with nothing apart from experience to back it up, is that the need for (significant) censorship is only while the country develops and the need is dwindling as the country prospers.
I think the history is that communication has been such that people tend to believe the things the read and/or are told - especially people out in the sticks. Suddenly having access to all the complete tripe that's available has the potential to cause havock. Even access to the western-biased information on the various controversial events/situations in China's past could cause them to ignore how much progress has been made in recent years.
China has an incredibly long history, with many significant events. It's only very recently that it's started to modernise and it's happening much more quickly than it did in western countries.
Change happens faster in the cities than in the country, but it still takes time.
I don't think anyone would deny that China is changing for the better in many aspects.
How about just letting that change continue instead of trying to push it before it's ready?
> With Google there, EVEN censoring things, ideas of freedom will leak through and spark social change.
Google are nuts if they thing they're that important or powerful.
In my experience, Chinese people here use Baidu not Google, and they don't consider the US definition of freedom to be something particularly desirable, even if they consider it at all.
> We should be saying "you don't get Google, you don't get yahoo, you don't get any of this, until you treat your people as we would wish to be treated, as we agreed by way of UN charters all mankind should be treated". Saying that by exposing China to this tech will somehow change how government works is like saying you can fix Darfur with some really noble op-ed pieces in the New York Times.
It seems to me that Chinese people don't really want Google and/or Yahoo! in China. It's the other way around. I used Google, and occasionally Yahoo! too, but most of the Chinese people I know use other services. For example, most Chinese people I know use Baidu instead of Google - Google doesn't even have an MP3 search engine.
Westerners use Google, but not Chinese people (generally). I don't think Yahoo! has any particular interest for most Chinese either - some use it for sure, but many use local alternatives. If Yahoo were to leave China, no one would miss it particularly.
Of course, people here are excellent at copying things too, so even if there were some such service that wasn't available in China, they'd just copy it. Maybe things are changing to a state that wouldn't allow that (for long), but I think it still applies.
> Actually, I believe that in China https traffic must be authorized and your keys deposited at some gov't-controlled entity. It is then possible to detect unauthorized encrypted traffic (because it can't be decrypted) and ban *that* specifically. Not in real time, of course.
I've never heard of such a thing. If that is true, then it certainly isn't enforced, and so I would question your use of the word 'must'.
> What? There's a *huge* difference! I can sit here and talk about how much I hate George Bush all I want, > for as long as I want and nothing's going to happen. In China if you talk about it long enough they execute you. HTH.
On the countrary. People here (in China) talk about how much they hate George all*the*time (ok, a lot anyway) - they really hate him here - and, to the best of my knowledge, no one has been locked up for it yet.
The things he says may or may not be wrong, but how do you know for sure? The vast majority of the things he says are matters of opinion - he just fails to state them as such.
If I can be allowed to speak for the Chinese people I know...
If you talk to many (most?) Chinese people, they do not consider themselves oppressed or otherwise 'non-free'. However, they do consider the USA as an undesirable place to live - mostly because of the whole 'American spirit' which is sickly to them (and much of the world, actually), and also US foreign policy ie Iraq/Vietnam/Korea and even their meddling in Taiwan (they consider the US to be largly to blame for the problem). They just wish that the US and its people would keep their opinions to themselves and keep their noses out of other people's business. They don't consider their government sinless, for sure, but neither do they consider other country's sinless - people from the US seem to conveniently ignore their own problems and concentrate on other people's.
In any case, the point of the moderation system is :
Concentrate more on promoting than on demoting. The real goal here is to find the juicy good stuff and let others read it. Do not promote personal agendas. Do not let your opinions factor in. Try to be impartial about this. Simply disagreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it down. Likewise, agreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it up. The goal here is to share ideas. To sift through the haystack and find needles. And to keep the children who like to spam Slashdot in check.
> And a lot of people, at least here at Slashdot, make a good living administering Linux, so being > knowledgeable about multiple operating systems is a good thing. If you can make $A administering Windows, > and $B administering Red Hat, and $C administering FreeBSD, it stands to reason that if you know Windows, > Red Hat, and FreeBSD, your pay, $D, should be $D > ($A, $B, $C). If Red Hat fell out of favor, you still > have two other systems you can manage.
> You did read the little disclaimer at the bottom that says that this is the maximum speed, right?
You didn't read it either, right?
It's worse than even you said...the guaranteed speed is between your address and the IP switch in the same building. It just means your connection to their equipment is at 100Mbps - ie they use 100BaseT equipment/wiring (in my experience, it's more common to use 10BaseT in these situations).
It doesn't mention what happens after that, but I expect it's still 100BaseT and all shared, just like a 'normal' LAN, until it leaves the ISP. Actually, in my networking class, we called these setups Metropolitan networks.
I guess they're simply not limiting any traffic at all and the full 100Mbps bandwidth is shared by all. Perhaps I'm doing them an injustice and they've connected the switches to the internet at gigabit speed, but who knows.
I wonder if they give you routable/public IP addresses. In Beijing, an ISP called Bluewave give 10BaseT connections but static/private IP addresses, while CNC give 10BaseT but dynamic/public IP addresses. I prefer the latter, even though, IINM, it was slightly more expensive.
I had an N95 last December and most of January. I tried it's camera and it was pretty aweful then, but that's prototypes for you. However, the thing I noticed more, and I've had this problem with other ones too, as well as point and shoots, is the time between pressing the button and it actually taking the shot - on the N95 it was a really long time. I expect they've improved it, but my 3250 and my wife's N73, isn't all that much better.
That's the reason I would still choose my 10D over a camera phone, if it were 'to hand'....which is the reason I would have the N95, since my 10D is almost never 'to hand'.
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> I did see a lot of European cars.
... not so. Most of the 'European' cars you saw are made here (China). That's a big influence when they choose a car (or pretty much anything). A bigger influence is the 100% import tax on cars - which, IINM, was removed about a year ago.
> Chinese don't buy "Made in China" either when it comes to cars.
IINM
Maybe they don't buy Chines *brands*...
...when a homeless man tossed a lit cigarette. What a tosser!> your scripts are hosed when "foobaz" and "foo" are implemented. ..but commands are easily over-ridden by using PATH, no?
> for file in *.avi; do ffmpeg -i $file -target dvd -aspect 16:9 ${file%avi}mpg; done
Will that work with files that contain spaces?
...and my point is...
So, you think you've won in Iraq do you?
> These people make $7-10K so how about charge them $3 for the same movie. No? Ok, expect piracy.
Right. Expect piracy... or no sales. People just can't afford those kind of prices - they simple won't buy it. They don't *need* the stuff, since there are alternatives. It might (or might not) be a pain to do without or find and use alternatives, but it would happen, then the US still wouldn't have any sales.
Like Microsoft, I think they prefer people get used to using their stuff, even if it is illegal, so that they do buy it should they get wealthy enough to do so. Piracy is also the main method of US cultural imperialism.
> chances of the US whipping the shit out of China if for whatever reason it came to that: very high
> such a war would be catastrophic for most of the plane
By what definition is that 'whipping the shit'?
Haven't you learned your lesson from Korea and Veitnam; and, more recently, Afghanistan and Iraq?
No, you would not 'win' a war against China, for any meaningful definition of the word.
> Mostly China. Impose sanctions on China, and Americans will end up paying a little bit more for goods; China will lose out on investments and jobs.
Mostly the US, I think.
'Nobody' here (China) cares about the US. The jobs and investment will come from other countries wanting to get the benefit from the ballooning Chinese market - that's where the action is.
In an case, the US people won't tollerate prices going up. They're wimps for such things.
> The iPhone is closed, so it's not a platform.
I don't think we yet know exactly how it will pan out.
What exactly will 'closed' mean for the iPhone?
We've heard some words on it, but not really the details.
Note that the most popular mobile phone platform, Nokia's S60 (just announced 100Million sales), is also now 'closed' for some definition of the word (with S60 3rd, you need to get applications officially tested).
Phones running Qualcomm's Brew OS are even worse.
I agree with much of what you say, apart from :
... it requires a higher degree of censorship to work.
> Communism
Now this isn't really directed at you, but in my personal view, with nothing apart from experience to back it up, is that the need for (significant) censorship is only while the country develops and the need is dwindling as the country prospers.
I think the history is that communication has been such that people tend to believe the things the read and/or are told - especially people out in the sticks. Suddenly having access to all the complete tripe that's available has the potential to cause havock. Even access to the western-biased information on the various controversial events/situations in China's past could cause them to ignore how much progress has been made in recent years.
China has an incredibly long history, with many significant events. It's only very recently that it's started to modernise and it's happening much more quickly than it did in western countries.
Change happens faster in the cities than in the country, but it still takes time.
I don't think anyone would deny that China is changing for the better in many aspects.
How about just letting that change continue instead of trying to push it before it's ready?
> With Google there, EVEN censoring things, ideas of freedom will leak through and spark social change.
Google are nuts if they thing they're that important or powerful.
In my experience, Chinese people here use Baidu not Google, and they don't consider the US definition of freedom to be something particularly desirable, even if they consider it at all.
> We should be saying "you don't get Google, you don't get yahoo, you don't get any of this, until you treat your people as we would wish to be treated, as we agreed by way of UN charters all mankind should be treated". Saying that by exposing China to this tech will somehow change how government works is like saying you can fix Darfur with some really noble op-ed pieces in the New York Times.
It seems to me that Chinese people don't really want Google and/or Yahoo! in China. It's the other way around. I used Google, and occasionally Yahoo! too, but most of the Chinese people I know use other services. For example, most Chinese people I know use Baidu instead of Google - Google doesn't even have an MP3 search engine.
Westerners use Google, but not Chinese people (generally). I don't think Yahoo! has any particular interest for most Chinese either - some use it for sure, but many use local alternatives. If Yahoo were to leave China, no one would miss it particularly.
Of course, people here are excellent at copying things too, so even if there were some such service that wasn't available in China, they'd just copy it. Maybe things are changing to a state that wouldn't allow that (for long), but I think it still applies.
> more likely,...
Have anything to back that up?
I'm talking about people I know personally and who live here (China).
> does not quite have the same connotation in China as it does the United States.
Right. People in the US think that such a statement made in China is a big deal, while people in China don't think such a statement is a big deal.
> Actually, I believe that in China https traffic must be authorized and your keys deposited at some gov't-controlled entity. It is then possible to detect unauthorized encrypted traffic (because it can't be decrypted) and ban *that* specifically. Not in real time, of course.
I've never heard of such a thing. If that is true, then it certainly isn't enforced, and so I would question your use of the word 'must'.
> But until that time, we should actually be concerned for people in other countries who do not have it so good and cannot speak up for themselves.
You think they can't? How do you know for sure?
The vast majority of people here (in China) I know actually like it here. As far as they're concerned, there's little or nothing to speak up for.
> What? There's a *huge* difference! I can sit here and talk about how much I hate George Bush all I want,
> for as long as I want and nothing's going to happen. In China if you talk about it long enough they execute you. HTH.
On the countrary. People here (in China) talk about how much they hate George all*the*time (ok, a lot anyway) - they really hate him here - and, to the best of my knowledge, no one has been locked up for it yet.
> or the mod's justification is having heard that one too many times in other discussions.
/. should be moderated redundant...
Well, if that is just cause, then most of
The things he says may or may not be wrong, but how do you know for sure? The vast majority of the things he says are matters of opinion - he just fails to state them as such.
If I can be allowed to speak for the Chinese people I know...
If you talk to many (most?) Chinese people, they do not consider themselves oppressed or otherwise 'non-free'. However, they do consider the USA as an undesirable place to live - mostly because of the whole 'American spirit' which is sickly to them (and much of the world, actually), and also US foreign policy ie Iraq/Vietnam/Korea and even their meddling in Taiwan (they consider the US to be largly to blame for the problem). They just wish that the US and its people would keep their opinions to themselves and keep their noses out of other people's business. They don't consider their government sinless, for sure, but neither do they consider other country's sinless - people from the US seem to conveniently ignore their own problems and concentrate on other people's.
In any case, the point of the moderation system is :
Concentrate more on promoting than on demoting. The real goal here is to find the juicy good stuff and let others read it. Do not promote personal agendas. Do not let your opinions factor in. Try to be impartial about this. Simply disagreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it down. Likewise, agreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it up. The goal here is to share ideas. To sift through the haystack and find needles. And to keep the children who like to spam Slashdot in check.
How on earth did the parent get rated 'redundant'??? It's the first post!!!
I have. Try some US schools not located in the US - ie where American is less prevalent and English is more prevalent.
> I believe that correct answer is, "next year is going to be the year of linux".
...as oppose to always being wrong?
> Thus you can always be right.
> And a lot of people, at least here at Slashdot, make a good living administering Linux, so being
> knowledgeable about multiple operating systems is a good thing. If you can make $A administering Windows,
> and $B administering Red Hat, and $C administering FreeBSD, it stands to reason that if you know Windows,
> Red Hat, and FreeBSD, your pay, $D, should be $D > ($A, $B, $C). If Red Hat fell out of favor, you still
> have two other systems you can manage.
Shouldn't that be A$, B$, C$, and D$?
> You did read the little disclaimer at the bottom that says that this is the maximum speed, right?
You didn't read it either, right?
It's worse than even you said...the guaranteed speed is between your address and the IP switch in the same building. It just means your connection to their equipment is at 100Mbps - ie they use 100BaseT equipment/wiring (in my experience, it's more common to use 10BaseT in these situations).
It doesn't mention what happens after that, but I expect it's still 100BaseT and all shared, just like a 'normal' LAN, until it leaves the ISP. Actually, in my networking class, we called these setups Metropolitan networks.
I guess they're simply not limiting any traffic at all and the full 100Mbps bandwidth is shared by all. Perhaps I'm doing them an injustice and they've connected the switches to the internet at gigabit speed, but who knows.
I wonder if they give you routable/public IP addresses. In Beijing, an ISP called Bluewave give 10BaseT connections but static/private IP addresses, while CNC give 10BaseT but dynamic/public IP addresses. I prefer the latter, even though, IINM, it was slightly more expensive.
I had an N95 last December and most of January. I tried it's camera and it was pretty aweful then, but that's prototypes for you. However, the thing I noticed more, and I've had this problem with other ones too, as well as point and shoots, is the time between pressing the button and it actually taking the shot - on the N95 it was a really long time. I expect they've improved it, but my 3250 and my wife's N73, isn't all that much better.
That's the reason I would still choose my 10D over a camera phone, if it were 'to hand'....which is the reason I would have the N95, since my 10D is almost never 'to hand'.