But, if I wander into an unprotected system, like a bank or military site, and I start reading confidential documents... Is this not a crime?
What's the difference if I locate the unprotected documents via a search engine or by using a port scanner with an IP range.
I think what I'm saying is that port scanning and finding an vunerable system, going into that system and looking around is now a crime.
But didn't I just describe what's going on with google hacking?
I don't advocate nor believe any of this is a crime but where and why is a line drawn between them?
I've often said about hacking that just because I go to the market and forget to lock my front door, that doesn't mean I expect to come home and find someone rumaging through my house.
If it's an administrator who forgets to lock down a port or one how inadvertantly places confidential materal on the wrong box... Again, Where is the line and how is it drawn, and why, between criminal hacking and "it's on an open system, google found it so it's legal".
I'm just asking. It's early in the AM and my brain isn't working because it's not seeing the difference. I'm only seeing a very fine line between what one might consider a "public" system versus one that expected to be "private". Is the only difference our "expectation" of privacy that makes one illegal and another a sport?
McBride was hired to increase shareholder value. (period) His own words.
If I had foresight of my hindsight, I'd be a millionare right now.
If I had bought $10000 in stock when this all started ($1 per share), sold at $10 per share, reinvested with $100,000, then sold at the peak of $22 per share... I'd have $1,200,000 in the bank right now. I could retire off this asshole. Why do you think so many people rushed to buy SCO stock? They don't care if he's right or wrong; if he's an asshole or not. They want investment opportunities that make money. For this, Darl had delivered.
He's doing exactly what the shareholders are paying him to do. I could have probably doubled that million if after that I sold short.
Linux is going to survive. In fact, Linux will flurish when this is all over. Darl, through IBM and others, will prove Linux is a viable and independent alturnative to Unix. Seperate but equal except for being free.
If I had only known, I could have had my cake and eaten it too.
Oh wait! If they don't hurry up, I'm going to cut/paste it into one, apply for a patent for this "method" of email and soon I'll be the owner of all the email in the world. euuuhahaha (evil laugh).
It appears that the United States isn't the only country where the right to privacy is extinct.
They must get permission and you can deny them entry, but if you do, you're a criminal and have committed the crime of contempt of court. What kind of law is that!?
I thought they broke the mold with Ashcroft. But apparently his minions have inhabited this Earth for some time now. Scary.
From a movie I once saw... Screaming "They're all over the place. We'll never get rid of them."
Intel has partnered with M$ before and it doesn't supprise me they have a slow down going on supporting the Linux platform.
Once I heard Intel was embracing, making special strides, supporting Windows DRM in their chips I decided my next purchase would not be an Intel.
Their company statement that they whole heartedly support DRM and will include it in their chips gave me pause. I don't want my CPU deciding and or regulating my morality. I certainly don't want my CPU playing digital overseer. It has enough to do running my PC.
And now, there's a reluctance and slow down supporting Linux with their chip. And after their partnership with M$ this doesn't supprise me.
It may well be that Intel will become the Windows CPU and AMD and/or others will be for the rest of us.
Does this mean I can take an open standard for creating documents and then patent the fact I used this open standard to do it?
My brain is having a tough time with this one. Is it like I create a web page with html and then patent the "method" I used to create it? But, wasn't the "method" I used html?
I suppose I could create my own parser and say if in the schema you see "wxyz" then do "1234" with the document. Is that an "Invention", a patentable method?
What could they possibly be doing with a word document that isn't prior art? Just how many ways are there to manipulate text?...that haven't been done before?
I guess we'll have to wait for them to publish what they "invented" so we can find out...
I would post the link. I wouldn't think it was wrong either. But then, I have nothing to personally gain from such an action except "fame". Perhaps motive and personal gain should influnce our intreptation of a persons' actions... Oh wait! That does matter!...Never mind.
I am on the Blue side of the isle. As an honest man, have taken issue with Rep beheavor even since becoming aware of my own consience.
What bothers me most is that the victoms have been blamed:
"There appears to have been no hacking, no stealing, and no violation of any Senate rule," Miranda said. "Stealing assumes a property right and there is no property right to a government document. . . . These documents are not covered under the Senate disclosure rule because they are not official business and, to the extent they were disclosed, they were disclosed inadvertently by negligent [Democratic] staff."
I know many/.'rs feel if a system isn't protected that it's a license to walk right in. We often blame "STUPID" administrators for their own problems, taking pride in that our systems have been "secured".
Sometimes I leave to go to the market and forget to lock the front door to my house. I no more expect to come home to someone going through my belongings as the next person would. And I would not and will not accept personal blame for the intruders behavour. The intruder is wrong, at fault and is to blame. The intruder is the scum, I am but forgetful.
I wouldn't care at this point if Micky Mouse won the Democratic nomination, I still wouldn't vote for Bush and his NeoCons.
To keep this post more on topic... I do NOT agree that because their system was vunerable, that they are the parties responsible for the disclosure.
This is so Orwellian. War is Peace, Freedom is Occupation and now... this. Stealing is Ownership?
Great for Kids?! No!!! What about the preditor who get's the kids cell phone number while lurking in some chat room. No need to Phish for details. Just show up in the childs driveway when he already knows they're alone! "Do it for the kids" is a lie. It will hurt and be the cause of devistation for more kids than it helps.
Leaked internal memos already show Microsoft is panicking about Linux. At minimum, worried. Ya, sure it was a gamble but their intent was not to strenthen Linux but to damage it. (Assuming they're behind this.)
Linux doesn't have a "company" Microsoft can go after, buy out or crush. What's left? IP, copyright and patent infringment. What other attack did they have in their bag of tricks when their TCO FUD wasn't working. They can't kill it and this does scare them.
Microsoft can attack TCO and be safe but even in this administration they have to at least appear not to be monopolizing, this administration won't last for ever. They needed a front company, SCO.
At least that's the rumor mill going on within Microsoft's own offices...
In another post: 1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
I have a friend who works at Microsoft. I took him to lunch the other day and mentioned this SCO/Microsoft connection. First I asked if he was even aware of what was going on. "Oh, yes." he said. Then I went as far as to suggest That Microsoft was the ghost partner in all this. He responded with "Well that's what everybody in this office thinks." Then he just looked at me, intently, as if to say... I waiting... read deeper. I've given you an insiders answer but can't say any more.
All I could do is say "Wow, okay..."
No proof of high level talks; no smoking gun. But I knew then that SCO smelled Microsoft money and fell for it as so many other companies have. How many countless companies have smelled M$ money, gone for it, only to find it cost them their life. Not unlike selling out to the Devil for short term gains. Microsoft wins. Not only through SCO can they attack Linux, they sink the preceved owners of UNIX in the process. This is *so* Microsofts style. With Darly not being too bright, kind of like a president I know, the job to sucker him in wasn't too tough I suspect.
1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
I have a friend who works at Microsoft. I took him to lunch the other day and mentioned this SCO/Miscrsoft connection. First I asked if he was even aware of what was going on. "Oh, yes." he said. Then I went as far as to suggest That Microsoft was the ghost partner in all this. He responded with "Well that's what everybody in this office thinks." Then he just looked at me, intently, as if to say... I waiting... read deeper. I've given you an insiders answer but can't say any more.
All I could do is say "Wow, okay..."
No proof of high level talks; no smoking gun. But I knew then that SCO smelled Microsoft money and fell for it as so many other companies have. How many countless companies have smelled M$ money, gone for it, only to find it cost them their life. Not unlike selling out to the Devil for short term gains.
Microsoft wins. Not only through SCO can they attack Linux, they sink the preceved owners of UNIX in the process. This is *so* Microsofts style.
With Darly not being too bright, kind of like a president I know, the job to sucker him in wasn't too tough I suspect.
Why spend our time and money trying to stop spammers. It will never work. We will *never* be able to identify them beyond reasonable doubt. Spammers will forever be beyond our ability to stop them. Fact.
But, there *is* something we could do to completely stop SPAM 100% tomorrow. Go after the people who are selling the product. They're easy to find. If they want to sell a product, they have to be availible and easily accessable to the buyer. Tracking down a seller who want's your money would be like... Well... even our law enforcement could do that. (poke intended)
For every business selling their product via spam I suggest a $1000 fine for each SPAM in which their product was mentioned, sold or otherwise marketed. One law, one fine, directed not to the spammer but the seller of the product.
Problem solved.
Just a thought but it seems to me they may have made the correct assessment.
After his interview he seems to feel it's correct and necessary to divulge the entire hiring process for the world to see, after he's been told not too, that it's at least confidential if not a secret process (for proper reasons I imagine). I'm assuming he's done this out of anger or bitterness that he didn't pass. There was more than once his tone seemed to take that spin.
Nevertheless, whatever his reason(s) for telling everyone, in my mind, they made a good call keeping him away from the real secrets.
I'm in no way a flag waving zelot but I'm going to have side with the NSA on this one.
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I know this is very late in the discussion.
But, if I wander into an unprotected system, like a bank or military site, and I start reading confidential documents... Is this not a crime?
What's the difference if I locate the unprotected documents via a search engine or by using a port scanner with an IP range.
I think what I'm saying is that port scanning and finding an vunerable system, going into that system and looking around is now a crime.
But didn't I just describe what's going on with google hacking?
I don't advocate nor believe any of this is a crime but where and why is a line drawn between them?
I've often said about hacking that just because I go to the market and forget to lock my front door, that doesn't mean I expect to come home and find someone rumaging through my house.
If it's an administrator who forgets to lock down a port or one how inadvertantly places confidential materal on the wrong box... Again, Where is the line and how is it drawn, and why, between criminal hacking and "it's on an open system, google found it so it's legal".
I'm just asking. It's early in the AM and my brain isn't working because it's not seeing the difference. I'm only seeing a very fine line between what one might consider a "public" system versus one that expected to be "private". Is the only difference our "expectation" of privacy that makes one illegal and another a sport?
McBride was hired to increase shareholder value. (period) His own words.
If I had foresight of my hindsight, I'd be a millionare right now.
If I had bought $10000 in stock when this all started ($1 per share), sold at $10 per share, reinvested with $100,000, then sold at the peak of $22 per share... I'd have $1,200,000 in the bank right now. I could retire off this asshole. Why do you think so many people rushed to buy SCO stock? They don't care if he's right or wrong; if he's an asshole or not. They want investment opportunities that make money. For this, Darl had delivered.
He's doing exactly what the shareholders are paying him to do. I could have probably doubled that million if after that I sold short.
Linux is going to survive. In fact, Linux will flurish when this is all over. Darl, through IBM and others, will prove Linux is a viable and independent alturnative to Unix. Seperate but equal except for being free.
If I had only known, I could have had my cake and eaten it too.
The "abstract" reads like a Patent application.
Oh wait! If they don't hurry up, I'm going to cut/paste it into one, apply for a patent for this "method" of email and soon I'll be the owner of all the email in the world. euuuhahaha (evil laugh).
It appears that the United States isn't the only country where the right to privacy is extinct.
They must get permission and you can deny them entry, but if you do, you're a criminal and have committed the crime of contempt of court. What kind of law is that!?
I thought they broke the mold with Ashcroft. But apparently his minions have inhabited this Earth for some time now. Scary.
From a movie I once saw... Screaming "They're all over the place. We'll never get rid of them."
Intel has partnered with M$ before and it doesn't supprise me they have a slow down going on supporting the Linux platform. Once I heard Intel was embracing, making special strides, supporting Windows DRM in their chips I decided my next purchase would not be an Intel.
Their company statement that they whole heartedly support DRM and will include it in their chips gave me pause. I don't want my CPU deciding and or regulating my morality. I certainly don't want my CPU playing digital overseer. It has enough to do running my PC.
And now, there's a reluctance and slow down supporting Linux with their chip. And after their partnership with M$ this doesn't supprise me.
It may well be that Intel will become the Windows CPU and AMD and/or others will be for the rest of us.
Does this mean I can take an open standard for creating documents and then patent the fact I used this open standard to do it?
...that haven't been done before?
My brain is having a tough time with this one. Is it like I create a web page with html and then patent the "method" I used to create it? But, wasn't the "method" I used html?
I suppose I could create my own parser and say if in the schema you see "wxyz" then do "1234" with the document. Is that an "Invention", a patentable method?
What could they possibly be doing with a word document that isn't prior art? Just how many ways are there to manipulate text?
I guess we'll have to wait for them to publish what they "invented" so we can find out...
I would post the link. I wouldn't think it was wrong either. But then, I have nothing to personally gain from such an action except "fame". Perhaps motive and personal gain should influnce our intreptation of a persons' actions... Oh wait! That does matter! ...Never mind.
I so wish I had points to mod you higher... This is *exactly* the point I tried to make in my post. Mine reads as a technical manual, yours is poetry.
I am on the Blue side of the isle. As an honest man, have taken issue with Rep beheavor even since becoming aware of my own consience.
/.'rs feel if a system isn't protected that it's a license to walk right in. We often blame "STUPID" administrators for their own problems, taking pride in that our systems have been "secured".
What bothers me most is that the victoms have been blamed:
"There appears to have been no hacking, no stealing, and no violation of any Senate rule," Miranda said. "Stealing assumes a property right and there is no property right to a government document. . . . These documents are not covered under the Senate disclosure rule because they are not official business and, to the extent they were disclosed, they were disclosed inadvertently by negligent [Democratic] staff."
I know many
Sometimes I leave to go to the market and forget to lock the front door to my house. I no more expect to come home to someone going through my belongings as the next person would. And I would not and will not accept personal blame for the intruders behavour. The intruder is wrong, at fault and is to blame. The intruder is the scum, I am but forgetful.
I wouldn't care at this point if Micky Mouse won the Democratic nomination, I still wouldn't vote for Bush and his NeoCons.
To keep this post more on topic... I do NOT agree that because their system was vunerable, that they are the parties responsible for the disclosure. This is so Orwellian. War is Peace, Freedom is Occupation and now... this. Stealing is Ownership?
Great for Kids?! No!!! What about the preditor who get's the kids cell phone number while lurking in some chat room. No need to Phish for details. Just show up in the childs driveway when he already knows they're alone! "Do it for the kids" is a lie. It will hurt and be the cause of devistation for more kids than it helps.
Leaked internal memos already show Microsoft is panicking about Linux. At minimum, worried. Ya, sure it was a gamble but their intent was not to strenthen Linux but to damage it. (Assuming they're behind this.)
Linux doesn't have a "company" Microsoft can go after, buy out or crush. What's left? IP, copyright and patent infringment. What other attack did they have in their bag of tricks when their TCO FUD wasn't working. They can't kill it and this does scare them.
Microsoft can attack TCO and be safe but even in this administration they have to at least appear not to be monopolizing, this administration won't last for ever. They needed a front company, SCO.
At least that's the rumor mill going on within Microsoft's own offices...
In another post:
1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
I have a friend who works at Microsoft. I took him to lunch the other day and mentioned this SCO/Microsoft connection. First I asked if he was even aware of what was going on. "Oh, yes." he said. Then I went as far as to suggest That Microsoft was the ghost partner in all this. He responded with "Well that's what everybody in this office thinks." Then he just looked at me, intently, as if to say... I waiting... read deeper. I've given you an insiders answer but can't say any more.
All I could do is say "Wow, okay..."
No proof of high level talks; no smoking gun. But I knew then that SCO smelled Microsoft money and fell for it as so many other companies have. How many countless companies have smelled M$ money, gone for it, only to find it cost them their life. Not unlike selling out to the Devil for short term gains. Microsoft wins. Not only through SCO can they attack Linux, they sink the preceved owners of UNIX in the process. This is *so* Microsofts style. With Darly not being too bright, kind of like a president I know, the job to sucker him in wasn't too tough I suspect.
1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
I have a friend who works at Microsoft. I took him to lunch the other day and mentioned this SCO/Miscrsoft connection. First I asked if he was even aware of what was going on. "Oh, yes." he said. Then I went as far as to suggest That Microsoft was the ghost partner in all this. He responded with "Well that's what everybody in this office thinks." Then he just looked at me, intently, as if to say... I waiting... read deeper. I've given you an insiders answer but can't say any more.
All I could do is say "Wow, okay..."
No proof of high level talks; no smoking gun. But I knew then that SCO smelled Microsoft money and fell for it as so many other companies have. How many countless companies have smelled M$ money, gone for it, only to find it cost them their life. Not unlike selling out to the Devil for short term gains. Microsoft wins. Not only through SCO can they attack Linux, they sink the preceved owners of UNIX in the process. This is *so* Microsofts style. With Darly not being too bright, kind of like a president I know, the job to sucker him in wasn't too tough I suspect.
Why spend our time and money trying to stop spammers. It will never work. We will *never* be able to identify them beyond reasonable doubt. Spammers will forever be beyond our ability to stop them. Fact. But, there *is* something we could do to completely stop SPAM 100% tomorrow. Go after the people who are selling the product. They're easy to find. If they want to sell a product, they have to be availible and easily accessable to the buyer. Tracking down a seller who want's your money would be like... Well... even our law enforcement could do that. (poke intended) For every business selling their product via spam I suggest a $1000 fine for each SPAM in which their product was mentioned, sold or otherwise marketed. One law, one fine, directed not to the spammer but the seller of the product. Problem solved.
When they come up with a way to steg my pics into a text file, then we'll have something.
Just a thought but it seems to me they may have made the correct assessment. After his interview he seems to feel it's correct and necessary to divulge the entire hiring process for the world to see, after he's been told not too, that it's at least confidential if not a secret process (for proper reasons I imagine). I'm assuming he's done this out of anger or bitterness that he didn't pass. There was more than once his tone seemed to take that spin. Nevertheless, whatever his reason(s) for telling everyone, in my mind, they made a good call keeping him away from the real secrets. I'm in no way a flag waving zelot but I'm going to have side with the NSA on this one. -[d]-