These comments are interesting in that they come from Charles Petzold who wrote some of the first truly pinnacle books for programming in the win32 API ( "programming for windows 95 ").
I did that whole book. I did all of the win32 programming exmaples using just the editing features of VS.
Even making just a basic window with win32 is laborious, so I can understand why MS made VS with all of the code generation features it did, as well as wrapping the win32 api in the MFC, and later VB.
I am not sure, but I think I remember Petzold saying something how the MS developers at one time used various text editors, not VS, until MS laid down a "eat your own dog food " law.
I have never been able to deal with comprehending autogeneated code and it teaches me very little. OTOH, there are times you just need to get something out.
Maybe there are two roads you can take in programming. Quick, dirty, and bloated for a non-IT orientated place that just wants something and the slow, hard road for people who want to be better programmers,...the kind who write the tools, but don't use them witout a corporate decree.
... protects citizens from GOVERNMENT-IMPOSED restraints on speech. Private institutions such as Catholic schools and private employers are immune.
You are right.
I, for one, am sick of internet riff-raff invoking "freedom of speech" when they are called on adolescent behavior.
Instead of taking access to privately funded and maintained forums for granted as an entitlement they should be appreciative.
Beyond that, I think mentioning that fact ( not in your case ) is the worst kind of hair splitting there is.
If Americans are to have any kind of true freedom the American people, including Catholic Schools as well as Corporations, need to have a true appreciation for freedom, above and beyond the mere letter of the law.
I don't see how this got an insightful moderation, since it's just a troll.
A troll is someone who has no legitimate interest in the subject of a forum and who posts inflammatory messages with the intent of disrupting that forum.
Having an opinion someone doesn't like doesn't make that person a troll.
I felt that the other poster had a legitimate point.
GNU/Linux installers used be very unfriendly ( some still are ), but that is in the distant past making it past the time for people who write reviews to move and let go of that idea.
Satire of the president is nothing new and I would bet that using a mock presidential seal as a prop in satire is not new either.
The seal and the office of the presidency has never lost respect from satire.
I think, because, along with the satire there coexisted a minimal level of results, caring, and respect from the White House in regards to the country.
I don't believe that the government should subsidize the switch over to digital TV. I also don't believe that consumers should pay.
I think the quickest way to create a revolution in America is to cut people off from television and alchohol. Given that, I can see why the government is willing to pay to make sure nobody "leaves the matrix" in the process of converting over to digital television. They do not want people to be free from their opiates, their distractions. If they get free from them they might have time to think and then to get upset over what a crappy job the government is doing.
I think advertisers should pay for the switch to digital tv. Our economy is driven by consumerism and consumerism is inspired, mostly, by television commericals with coporations being the beneficiaries. If someone can't afford a digital TV setup than they can't see corporate America's propaganda and they will buy fewer things they do not need. Coproate America loses money.
Corporate American pays for television shows to be created so people will see their commercials and buy their products.
Why should the consumer either through their tax dollars or their net income pay to have someone else's advertisements to be beemed into their heads?
Even intelligent people tend to get distracted from subtle differences.
Up front price versus "total cost of ownership" is one of those situations, whether or not the TCO concept, pushed by microsoft, is true.
Even if microsoft can make products of similar quality for the gnu/linux niche, and do it while it still matters, they still have the price issue ( as well as terms of use ).
GNU/linux has its niche because it is free/cheap up front, and people do not need to worry about licensing issues.
Will microsoft, after spending a lot of money to develop these new things, market them at a low cost with few terms of use?
1. Why don't they hire these guys to play around and do this all of the time?
2. If they have people finding holes for them, why are there still holes?
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There are GUI editors and IDEs with all of those things.
I think the reason why emacs and vi are still around is that the afforementioned GUI development tools usually are not free( or good)
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I've tried both.
Both GUIs reek of a CLI interface legacy. Don't get me wrong, the CLI interface was good for the environment and limitations of that time, but compared against GUIs designed for a GUI age, they are not that great.
Those editors shine in the CLI, but most people ( there is always one or two ) do not do major development in a pure CLI environment any more.
There are more friendly, smaller CLI editors for tweaking config files and better GUI IDEs for development
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Usually with these threads there is the temptation to make the "usual comments" regarding vi or emacs.
Interface is frequently mentioned.
If you look back to when these editors were "designed", they were "designed" for doing significant developement, on unix, in a pure shell enviornment.
There are still people who do significant development in a pure shell enviornment, but this sort of thing is in the minority these days.
Most command line editors in nix are primarily used these days to edit configuration files. There is no need for a complex and alien set of key bindings.
If all you truly need a command line editor for is editing config file you might be interested in "ne":
The BBC beats the crap out of American news media, but their science reporting is known not to be the best.
WHO and various organizations around the world are terrified that the avian flu will soon jump species. Similar events have happened before and many top scientists see it as very likely to the point where they do not take it as abstract "maybe".
This problem would not exist if people did not raise livestock in densely populated buildings, pens, and lots where disease can spread so easily.
Furthermore, more then a few livestock producers have been caught feeding vaccines to livestock, a practice that in America has rendered many antibiotics useless for human beings.
Raising livestock in densely populated facilities makes the disease a problem. Such facilities exist to make meat cheap enough for people to it all of the time. Most people do not need to eat meat at all. If you take sentiment and preference out of the equation the common sense answer would be to reduce such facilities as well as meat consumption.
I was expecting to see my post modded down. It is interesting that it got modded down with the label "troll".
Trolls post off topic and/or with no interest in the forum other than disrupting it into flames.
My post was not off topic. The thread was about the avian flu and the avian flu is being spread through livestock. Given that I don't think bringing up eliminating livestock is off topic, it is just an unpopular idea.
Pulling apart that "troll" label a little further I also have a significant posting history which anyone can see. It is obvious I am not on slashdot for the sole purpose of jerking people's chains.
My post may be modded down as low as it can go, but karma was and will remain "excellent".
The only thing the mods have accomplished in modding my post down is proving is that they have a low tolerance for views other than their own.
A sure sign of a provincial and narrow mind.
No offense.
Avian flu is dangerous because people get if from eating livestock and then spread it to other people.
It is also starting to be believed that mad cow can be spread to people without the victim having to eat diseased meat. "Prions" which can give you the disease are near indestructible. Mad Cow has been found in the US though the media has played it down.
Neither of these diseases would be a problem if so much livestock was not raised, and if people did not eat meat.
People may like meat, but most people do need it to live or even to make interesting tasty meals.
So, human beings are going to risk creating a world wide, deadly, flu epidemic ala Stephen King all for the sake of one choice for dinner over another.
That does not sound very rational.
If you want to reduce your risk of these diseases, these links can help you reduce the amount of meat you eat:
Avian flu is dangerous because people get if from eating livestock and then spread it to other people.
It is also starting to be believed that mad cow can be spread to people without the victim having to eat diseased meat. "Prions" which can give you the disease are near indestructible. Mad Cow has been found in the US though the media has played it down.
Neither of these diseases would be a problem if so much livestock was not raised, and if people did not eat meat.
People may like meat, but most people do need it to live or even to make interesting tasty meals.
So, human beings are going to risk creating a world wide, deadly, flu epidemic ala Stephen King all for the sake of one choice for dinner over another.
That does not sound very rational.
If you want to reduce your risk of these diseases, these links can help you reduce the amount of meat you eat:
Developers should be held legally responsible for bugs.
By the same token, incompetent government officials should be held legally responsible for people perishing in disasters when those deaths could have been prevented with reasonable foresight, planning and resources.
By the same token, government officials who cause the deaths of thousands by fabricating evidence used to justify starting a war, should be held legally responsible.
I really hope one of those students is smart enough to stand up and ask Bill Gates:
"Mr. Gates, why are you trying to convince us to study CSC when your company is off shoring jobs? Are we supposed to spend the considerable money needed for tuition and the considerable time to learn CSC merely to be unemployed or to fill the lower quality, less interesting jobs that are left over?"
I was on a web board the other day where someone asked the owner to temporarily ban her because she couldn't control herself enough to take a break and stay away from the board.
Given that we are talking about the PRC I suspect a sinister motive, bu t whether it is addiction or just compulsion I think there might be something beyond just the sinister motive.
It is what everyone will say "amen" to in church on Sunday, but on Monday morning you will get developers who will whine like children on their blogs about negative reviews.
This happened a few months back with a programmer who shall remain nameless who worked on a desktop project that shall remain nameless( how embarrassing for the other developers )
These same people often have the attitude that they don't need to think about the mindset of someone who is not involved with it all and they will often think that there is something wrong with people who don't find their "designs" intuitive.
It is like blaming an English teacher for finding your writing mistakes when you didn't bother to proof read your work.
I congratulate Novell for doing this kind of user testing. It will help gnu/linux tremendously.
I see this as a validation of biodiversity and competition.
Microsoft( or yahoo ) never would have spiffed up their web mail interfaces without pressure from competition.
Of course the latest conspiracy theory could be that it was an intentional hoax by the entertainment industry to test market reactions to the concept without having to take responsibility for suggesting the concept if the market reaction was bad.
My reaction would be good if the a choice in formats was made available with an appropriate difference in price. Say $2 for a single play dvd for something I know I only want to see once.
However there would be the environmental cost of throwing single play DVDs into the waste dumps ( translation: our children's future ) on top of all of those unsolicited snail mailed AOL CDs.
Well, this thing still has to be built and the finished product has to be just as nice to use as an office suite client.
Sun is famous for making applications with clunky interfaces and applications that are slow.
Google doesn't really have a reputation for interfaces beyond staying with a minimalist approach that helps them avoid mistakes ( as well as features ).
In addition to all of that the usual problems and irritations of web based applications need to be conquered.
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What is a "vertical market application" ?
What ?! Open Office bloated ?!
This belongs in the "is this news?" category.
Many people wrongfully take it for granted that Open Source software is always better on the back end.
These comments are interesting in that they come from Charles Petzold who wrote some of the first truly pinnacle books for programming in the win32 API ( "programming for windows 95 ").
...the kind who write the tools, but don't use them witout a corporate decree.
I did that whole book. I did all of the win32 programming exmaples using just the editing features of VS.
Even making just a basic window with win32 is laborious, so I can understand why MS made VS with all of the code generation features it did, as well as wrapping the win32 api in the MFC, and later VB.
I am not sure, but I think I remember Petzold saying something how the MS developers at one time used various text editors, not VS, until MS laid down a "eat your own dog food " law.
I have never been able to deal with comprehending autogeneated code and it teaches me very little. OTOH, there are times you just need to get something out.
Maybe there are two roads you can take in programming. Quick, dirty, and bloated for a non-IT orientated place that just wants something and the slow, hard road for people who want to be better programmers,
You are right.
I, for one, am sick of internet riff-raff invoking "freedom of speech" when they are called on adolescent behavior.
Instead of taking access to privately funded and maintained forums for granted as an entitlement they should be appreciative.
Beyond that, I think mentioning that fact ( not in your case ) is the worst kind of hair splitting there is.
If Americans are to have any kind of true freedom the American people, including Catholic Schools as well as Corporations, need to have a true appreciation for freedom, above and beyond the mere letter of the law.
I agree.
You wrote exactly what I was going to write.
There is no shortage of I.T. workers, only a shortage of I.T. workers at a cut rate wage.
A troll is someone who has no legitimate interest in the subject of a forum and who posts inflammatory messages with the intent of disrupting that forum.
Having an opinion someone doesn't like doesn't make that person a troll.
I felt that the other poster had a legitimate point.
GNU/Linux installers used be very unfriendly ( some still are ), but that is in the distant past making it past the time for people who write reviews to move and let go of that idea.
Satire of the president is nothing new and I would bet that using a mock presidential seal as a prop in satire is not new either.
The seal and the office of the presidency has never lost respect from satire.
I think, because, along with the satire there coexisted a minimal level of results, caring, and respect from the White House in regards to the country.
I literally "laughed out loud"
Thanks for the chuckle!
I don't believe that the government should subsidize the switch over to digital TV. I also don't believe that consumers should pay.
I think the quickest way to create a revolution in America is to cut people off from television and alchohol. Given that, I can see why the government is willing to pay to make sure nobody "leaves the matrix" in the process of converting over to digital television. They do not want people to be free from their opiates, their distractions. If they get free from them they might have time to think and then to get upset over what a crappy job the government is doing.
I think advertisers should pay for the switch to digital tv. Our economy is driven by consumerism and consumerism is inspired, mostly, by television commericals with coporations being the beneficiaries. If someone can't afford a digital TV setup than they can't see corporate America's propaganda and they will buy fewer things they do not need. Coproate America loses money.
Corporate American pays for television shows to be created so people will see their commercials and buy their products.
Why should the consumer either through their tax dollars or their net income pay to have someone else's advertisements to be beemed into their heads?
Let the people who make the profits pay the costs
Even intelligent people tend to get distracted from subtle differences.
Up front price versus "total cost of ownership" is one of those situations, whether or not the TCO concept, pushed by microsoft, is true.
Even if microsoft can make products of similar quality for the gnu/linux niche, and do it while it still matters, they still have the price issue ( as well as terms of use ).
GNU/linux has its niche because it is free/cheap up front, and people do not need to worry about licensing issues.
Will microsoft, after spending a lot of money to develop these new things, market them at a low cost with few terms of use?
The questions I have are
1. Why don't they hire these guys to play around and do this all of the time?
2. If they have people finding holes for them, why are there still holes?
There are GUI editors and IDEs with all of those things.
I think the reason why emacs and vi are still around is that the afforementioned GUI development tools usually are not free( or good)
I've tried both.
Both GUIs reek of a CLI interface legacy. Don't get me wrong, the CLI interface was good for the environment and limitations of that time, but compared against GUIs designed for a GUI age, they are not that great.
Those editors shine in the CLI, but most people ( there is always one or two ) do not do major development in a pure CLI environment any more.
There are more friendly, smaller CLI editors for tweaking config files and better GUI IDEs for development
Usually with these threads there is the temptation to make the "usual comments" regarding vi or emacs.
Interface is frequently mentioned.
If you look back to when these editors were "designed", they were "designed" for doing significant developement, on unix, in a pure shell enviornment.
There are still people who do significant development in a pure shell enviornment, but this sort of thing is in the minority these days.
Most command line editors in nix are primarily used these days to edit configuration files. There is no need for a complex and alien set of key bindings.
If all you truly need a command line editor for is editing config file you might be interested in "ne":
http://ne.dsi.unimi.it/
It has CUA ( windows, dos-like ) key bindings and it even has a DOS style drop down menu.
It is customizable, fully in the command line, and very, very small.
The BBC beats the crap out of American news media, but their science reporting is known not to be the best.
WHO and various organizations around the world are terrified that the avian flu will soon jump species. Similar events have happened before and many top scientists see it as very likely to the point where they do not take it as abstract "maybe".
This problem would not exist if people did not raise livestock in densely populated buildings, pens, and lots where disease can spread so easily.
Furthermore, more then a few livestock producers have been caught feeding vaccines to livestock, a practice that in America has rendered many antibiotics useless for human beings.
Raising livestock in densely populated facilities makes the disease a problem. Such facilities exist to make meat cheap enough for people to it all of the time. Most people do not need to eat meat at all. If you take sentiment and preference out of the equation the common sense answer would be to reduce such facilities as well as meat consumption.
Trolls post off topic and/or with no interest in the forum other than disrupting it into flames.
My post was not off topic. The thread was about the avian flu and the avian flu is being spread through livestock. Given that I don't think bringing up eliminating livestock is off topic, it is just an unpopular idea.
Pulling apart that "troll" label a little further I also have a significant posting history which anyone can see. It is obvious I am not on slashdot for the sole purpose of jerking people's chains.
My post may be modded down as low as it can go, but karma was and will remain "excellent".
The only thing the mods have accomplished in modding my post down is proving is that they have a low tolerance for views other than their own.
A sure sign of a provincial and narrow mind.
No offense.
Avian flu is dangerous because people get if from eating livestock and then spread it to other people.
It is also starting to be believed that mad cow can be spread to people without the victim having to eat diseased meat. "Prions" which can give you the disease are near indestructible. Mad Cow has been found in the US though the media has played it down.
Neither of these diseases would be a problem if so much livestock was not raised, and if people did not eat meat.
People may like meat, but most people do need it to live or even to make interesting tasty meals.
So, human beings are going to risk creating a world wide, deadly, flu epidemic ala Stephen King all for the sake of one choice for dinner over another.
That does not sound very rational.
If you want to reduce your risk of these diseases, these links can help you reduce the amount of meat you eat:
http://tryveg.com/cfi/toc/
http://www.veganhealth.org/sh/
Developers should be held legally responsible for bugs.
By the same token, incompetent government officials should be held legally responsible for people perishing in disasters when those deaths could have been prevented with reasonable foresight, planning and resources.
By the same token, government officials who cause the deaths of thousands by fabricating evidence used to justify starting a war, should be held legally responsible.
I really hope one of those students is smart enough to stand up and ask Bill Gates:
"Mr. Gates, why are you trying to convince us to study CSC when your company is off shoring jobs? Are we supposed to spend the considerable money needed for tuition and the considerable time to learn CSC merely to be unemployed or to fill the lower quality, less interesting jobs that are left over?"
I was on a web board the other day where someone asked the owner to temporarily ban her because she couldn't control herself enough to take a break and stay away from the board.
Given that we are talking about the PRC I suspect a sinister motive, bu t whether it is addiction or just compulsion I think there might be something beyond just the sinister motive.
I agree 100%.
It is what everyone will say "amen" to in church on Sunday, but on Monday morning you will get developers who will whine like children on their blogs about negative reviews.
This happened a few months back with a programmer who shall remain nameless who worked on a desktop project that shall remain nameless( how embarrassing for the other developers )
These same people often have the attitude that they don't need to think about the mindset of someone who is not involved with it all and they will often think that there is something wrong with people who don't find their "designs" intuitive.
It is like blaming an English teacher for finding your writing mistakes when you didn't bother to proof read your work.
I congratulate Novell for doing this kind of user testing. It will help gnu/linux tremendously.
I see this as a validation of biodiversity and competition. Microsoft( or yahoo ) never would have spiffed up their web mail interfaces without pressure from competition.
Of course the latest conspiracy theory could be that it was an intentional hoax by the entertainment industry to test market reactions to the concept without having to take responsibility for suggesting the concept if the market reaction was bad.
My reaction would be good if the a choice in formats was made available with an appropriate difference in price. Say $2 for a single play dvd for something I know I only want to see once.
However there would be the environmental cost of throwing single play DVDs into the waste dumps ( translation: our children's future ) on top of all of those unsolicited snail mailed AOL CDs.
Google has survived by not challenging Microsoft on their turf.
MS Office is one of the applications that Microsoft depends on to keep people glued to windows.
Google is now threatening that, in a way similar to which Netscape threatened to attack Microsoft.
Microsoft's income is several orders of magnitude larger than Google's.
Today, a shot was fired that started a war.
Well, this thing still has to be built and the finished product has to be just as nice to use as an office suite client.
Sun is famous for making applications with clunky interfaces and applications that are slow.
Google doesn't really have a reputation for interfaces beyond staying with a minimalist approach that helps them avoid mistakes ( as well as features ).
In addition to all of that the usual problems and irritations of web based applications need to be conquered.