The problem is.. The telecos, cable providers etc will of course abuse this.
Cable does already. Teleco's do already...
The FCC simply allowed them to continue their bullshit practices.
I dont want a fucking $50 verizon line just so i can have their FIBER SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF
The FCC is fucking crazy. They're in bed with big buisness. They lifted the consolidation restraints... they've CONSISTANTLY provided the corperations what they want at the expense of the user.
The FCC is fucking worthless. Maybe they can afford to be forced to pay $50 for a POTS line along with their $50 FIBER service... But MOST people cant because unlike the FCC, their pockets arent filled with the cash bribes from the telecos
Face it... this world is a waste. We have no say in shit.
Get rich, buy out the companies you hate... then laugh as you shit on the rubble of their corperate headquarters you just demolished.
That is the only way to have a say in this country.
Otherwise.. you're fucking food for the corperations to chew and spit out at will.
Japan had better manufacturing. They invented a better assembly line method. Price of course was also a huge factor. They could turn out more cars at a cheaper cost.
Our country can not maintain. We have lost all of our industries. The only one remaining is building custom choppers, cars, boats and houses for the rich people of our country. The same rich people that sold out our well being.
The only industry left is the entertainment industry. But they will come crumbling when they realize we can no longer afford their bullshit.
Thats the real reason why piracy is growing. We're becoming more and more like the poor people in china who have pirated our overpriced software and movies for years.
We're finally catching up to china's poverty level.
look around you. everyone has wheels/multiple cell phones/flies everywhere for the holidays/etc/etc.
"everyone" in America. And that is because of our US dollar value. Look at everyone in China. They are not traveling all over by plane, they are not all driving cars.
WE have the US dollar to pay for these things. But that US dollar value is constantly in decline. So how long do you think our standard of living will remain? At some point our Dollar will equal more closer to china/india etc. Places were they cant afford their OWN products.
So how will we be able to afford theres? Our standard of life will decline because our value will and we will no longer beable to afford our US life style.
The US DOLLAR VALUE is the only reason why we outsource to far cheaper labor. The end result is a bleeding to death America.
The result is... WE LOSE OUR VALUE.
WE LOSE OUR JOBS WE LOSE EVERYTHING YOU JUST MENTIONED.
I cant wait to see Mr Hanky the wonderborg poo go back in time with Locutus to spread christmas joy to all the boys and girls back on earth. Howdy Ho! we are borg and you will be confagulated !!!!
Yes i made that word up... It's sci fi ass... Invert the phase convertors and run a level 3 diagnostic. Engage mr Hat! Engage my sweet sweet ass mr Hat!
To boldy go where no hand puppet has gone before!... AND MEAN WHILE BACK AT THE HALLS OF JUSTICE...
Spokstan turns captain Kile and raises an eyebrow
Spokstan: "Captain?"
Captain Kile: "What is it spok?"
Spokstan: "Dude this is fucked up right here"
(Spokstan pointing at cartman's ass full of mr Hat).... AND MEAN WHILE... SOMEWHERE AQUAMAN IS URINATIGN ON A DOLPHIN
Aquaman: "Oh yeah.... Oh yeah... Flipper you naughty bitch".... And mean while back at the hall of justice... (i dont know how the superfriends got mixed into Trey and Matt's new Trek series, but those guys are geniouses.. so dont fucking complain!)
Captain Kile "Do we address the needs of the few versus the needs of the many?"
Misc Crew/Red Shirt Cartman: "I need ta Keek yeee eeen da nuhuuuuttts!"... And meanwhile.... Aquaman is smoking a cigarette underwater.... How the fuck does he do that?.... Meanwhile...
have no idea where teenagers came into this conversation, because all I have been saying is that it is sick (IMO) that people think it's OK for children to play GTA (again, not teenagers....don't know why you are focused on that, unless you are a teenager yourself).
I specifically mentioned Teenagers because I do not realistically expect anyone younger than a teen to get access to GTA. Mainly because i dont see them having access to malls by themselves etc. Any parent dropping off their 10 year old at the mall alone should have neither a child or a drivers liscense;)
And please, don't project your childhood onto everybody else and make generalizations about me. Everybody has a story of how they grew up, and you haven't heard everybody's story.
Lets be real. Thats not possible. You impose your own generalizations. If i'm to not impose mine... You would have your way.
Thats not how this works.
I do want to add to my previous reply.. I do get where you're going with the "parents watching porno with the children"
You're hinting at the situation where a parent could sexually abuse a child. Thats not really what i'm getting at. Of course there should be laws regarding access. Thats what compromise is all about. But at the same time.. that is an extreme situation. No 14 year old is going to want to sit down and watch porno with their parents.
If they do, there would have to be a history of abuse to ever get to that point where a teen would be in that situation.
Do you realize there are nudist colonies where parents raise children? I mean the world isnt so simple that any law will cover the nuances of life.
And beleive me... if i was a kid growing up in a nudist colony... i would feel uncomfortable. But to take your example of a parent watcihng porno with a child.... How is the nudist colony example any different?
I guess it could be entirely innocent at the same time. At some point a parent does give the birds and the bees talk. Would it be wront for a parent to show a teen, a sexual education video talored towards the birds and the bees talk?
There are plenty of books printed on the subject. I was handed one by my mother when i was young. My father gave me the talk... AND in public school here in NY there were Sex Education classes.
So at what point is talking about sex with your children ok?
Not everything has to be as illegal and deviant as your example would lead us to beleive. There is nuance in life.
BUT I DO agree.. It is a scary road. Beleive me, i do hear you.
But no teen wants to talk about sex with their parents. (I didnt) Nothing was more uncomfortable than having dad spill the birds and bees talk... when i was already aware of how it all worked.
Which again.. brings me back to my point. The teens of the world... arent as dumb as most people think. Give them some credit... and some guidence.
About the porn, my point is not about what mature teenagers want to do sexually...I don't know what you are talking about there and I am not talking about 'mature' teenagers... I'm saying that if you, as a parent, watched pornos with your children (not teenagers), you would be arrested, and nobody would have a problem with that (hopefully).
You're so far from reality on this. Who is recommending that parents watch porno with children? What does that have to do with this? Thats outright sick and really far from what i'm talking about.
I'm talking about a teenager from a teenagers point of view, who has a girlfriend, probably felt her up and is atleast having oral sex.
A teen's perspective is.. "hello, wake up mom, dad... i'm already having sex.... GTA is the least of your worries"
Now how you deal with your teenager as he or she becomes an adult should not be dictated by some governmental gassbag like Hillary Clinton.
It's up to the parents to figure out how to deal with their child as they become an adult.
I have no idea why you're bringing up this sick idea of a parent watching porno with their child.
A TEEN does not want to fuck their parents... A teen wants to fuck the hot chick in highschool. Think back to when you were a teen... were you dreaming about your fucking parents?!
Jeez. Look at it from a teen who is transitioning into adult hood. They are becoming an individual. They have their own likes and dislikes...
Just like you did as a kid. At some point... Parents need to decide how they deal with that. The government should not be the ones who do.
No 10 year old is buying GTA at EB. I've personally witnessed a mother asking if a WWF game was too violent for her young son who looked about 9.
The clerk answered her appropriately. I at the time as buying Mortal Kombat V. And the clerk pointed out to the mother that the game that i was buying... was too violent for a younger person.
Store clerks do their job. They're usually gamers themselves. They know all about the games they sell.
If parents ask and do their job... We dont need laws that make it difficult for the more mature teens, to get games.
Are you saying that if a family wants their children to watch porn with them, they should have every right to?
Watch porn with them? What teenager wants to watch porn with their parents?
I think you're going too deep into this. Again. Lets not act like we didnt oogle at breast when we were 15.
Lets not act like we didnt find our parents porno...
Lets not act like children arent googling "tits"
Lets not act like kids are going to obey our commands.
If you want laws that forebid mature teenagers from obtaining material that they will find ways to obtain reguardless of the law... So be it.
IF you want a world of laws, where the law says one thing, and under the table we do otherwise... so be it.
Teens are fucking each other. WAKE UP
You did it, I did it. And we're lucky.. we enjoyed it;) (well not you and i... i mean we just met!;))
Seriously.. I mean we were kids man... you and i. We all go through the same thing, perhaps slightly different but the same thing
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hahahahahaha... i'm sure that is very true:)
But there are other things that you can listen to on the phone. Credit card orders... Social Security numbers, Banking info, buisness info, trade secrets... etc
There is a lot more than just boy girl talk but... heheh funny point and i think its well said.
I agree. The family is at fault. It will always boil down to parenting. If a parent can not parent their child, they should not be having children.
When you have children there are things to consider. Can you afford one? Do you love your wife and want to go down this long journey? Will you do the right thing for your child no matter what? Will you be understanding enough when they turn on you? Will you raise them in a manner that they know right from wrong and that you love them and they are the most important thing in your life? Would it be a good time to bring a person into this world at this present time?
Bringing a person into this world is the most incredible thing one can do. It comes with great responsibility.
A parent should have ever right and tool available to raise their child. But to expect that outside influences can be kept at bay is unrealistic.
Raising a child starts the same way as raising a barn. You start with the foundation. If the foundation is shit, the barn's going to fail.
Give your kids that strong foundation of love and tell them whats good and bad.. whats right and wrong.... And you know what? Playing GTA, watching films like predator may still influence them... But it will never break their foundation. They will see their way through life. They will become good people.
If your message was in response to me. I'm 29. Predator is not the worst film i ever saw. It's just a good example of a film many people have probably seen. I'm a film fan too.. so i've seen much worse:)
I dont want children to play violent videogames per some mandatory obligation. I'm saying... I want the kids who want to play such games (and have their parents understanding), have the right to do so, and easily obtain them.
A parent should have every right to refuse and return the game for full credit. A parent should also be able to ask any clerk at any game store about the games before buying. A parent should have all the information they need about the games content. But at the same time... There will be teens... and we're talking about teens here. Not 4 year olds. Teens should be allowed to obtain the game. Just like they can read books on sexual education, or learn about the horrors of history in highschool, and in our libraries.
If they're not playing GTA in your house... they're playing it at "Billy's" house next door.
Its true. Not everyone turns out right. Most of us do though. We will never raise the perfect child in life. We will always have our issues. We may be too fat, too tall, too short, too shy, too ugly, too attractive, we'll have our problems etc.
Erasing one thing from the equation of life is not going to breed the perfect adult.
It's just silly to to think that we can ever be safe. This is a geek oriented news site correct? Most of the geeks here are in IT and deal with security all the time. There is no security in life. There is no perfect path to perfection. Perfection does not exist. Censor life, and you are not doing a dam thing to make your children safer from the hazards of the universe.
I agree that a parents will should be respected. If a parent feels their child should not play a certain videogame. That is entirely their right.
I view a family, as being the most important thing in ones life. Dont fuck with my family and i wont fuck with your family (i dont mean that personally to you) The government should not be telling everyone what is appropriate for each family. My family is different from yours. I may want my child playing GTA. I may also want him to go buy it afterschool because i'm busy hard at work and cant go to the store for him.
The parent has the ultimate say. I agree. But in no way feel that a teenager should be barred from purchasing a game. There will be more teenagers that are capable of handling such a game than not. There will be just as many parents who dont mind, as there are who do.
Why should we make it hard for those who are capable of handling it verus those who are not or their parents do not want them to experience such media?
I ask that because again... I come back to our past. You and I... and the millions of other teenagers that grew up to be decent human beings. Teenagers that lived through world wars, playing cowboys and indians, drinking underage, trying drugs, trying smoking, cutting school, fake ids, watching porn, and teenage sex...
Why are we so affraid of who we were? When in the long run... we turned out just fine?
Maybe those things MADE us who we are... Maybe they made us decent human beings because through those experiences we learned what is right and what is wrong.
Yes.. I am infact saying it is entirely ok for Kids to play.
You sound like a nice person, a decent guy trying to do the right thing. I respect you i really do. But can we look into your past as a child?
What did you do as a teen? Were you horny as all teens usually are? Were you slightly out of control, rebelious? Were you drinking with your buddies? Perhaps you tried drinking once? Perhaps you smoked as a teen? Did you see predator as a teen? What other films did you see? What music did you listen to?
My point is... you probably did a lot of things that would be considered "adult"
And you sir... turned out fine.
So did I. My friends did as well. So did all of the other millions of teenagers throughout time. Its apart of growing up.
The sooner we realize that we all have a childhood that includes instances of "testing adulthood"... The sooner we'll be better off.
I do mean this in the most respect. We are all unique be all tested the waters at some point without our parents endorcement. That may be listening to music. It may be cursing like a sailor when you're with your friends but watching your mouth when your at the dinner table.
We really need to wake up to this. Its something about humanity that seems to forget our youth.
The decline in morals and ethics in our beloved country of America stems from the big buisnesses that run our country.
America was once a self reliant giant that employed our citizens. This employment gave in return communities of families that could maintain a decent standard of living. They could count on working on a job their entire life as a single income family and life a good life.
Today... Adults move from job to job, no sense of stable income. Communities have fallen apart because buisnesses have pulled out. People cant afford their homes because they have no stable income.
Yet they push on.
They push on in a world where Ceo's that are destroying our once self reliant America, receive millions of dollars for bankrupting their companies. They see the rich doing more unethical things by the day. America does trickle down from the top. Its the rich that keep us working and happy.
Unfortunately... The rich no longer keep us working and happy...
They just expect us to buy everything they sell.
There is your moral decline. There is the reason why communities are hanging on to the bible like a glue that holds them together in this hectic world.
The decline is real. But it aint from videogames (which btw are one of our last major industries besides film and music)
You sir, are too dam smart for our country. Please report to your mandatory television viewing space and turn on Fox news to receive your reprogramming.
Oh there is proof. Unfortuntately the proof is only less than 20 (at best judging from sensationalized news stories) cases of any child really being influenced. And most of them are claiming GTA as an excuse.
According to Video Buisness Magazine, the GTA line of games (not even counting GTA1 and 2) Have sold over 100million+ units to homes and rental chains.
20 cases, out of 100million+
Yeah... there's a reason to piss away our freedoms.
According to Video Buisness Magazine, (I'm roughly adding up the numbers that i remember reading over the years)
The entire GTA line of games has sold easily over 100million units. Thats a single copy per house and rental chain.
Well i dont know about you... But i would buy a gun because i dont think we can stop 100million+ murdering pyschopathic 15-40year olds. I dont even think Hillary could fire a gun... So she's useless..
QUICK.. Lets arm ourselves before all of those 100million+ Americans go insane and take over the country...
I cut and paste the lyrics before i realized that only the word FUCK was censored. If i had noticed before posting... I would have uncensored it.
SO FUCK;)
First off... Its histerical to see Hillary use the word "Diss" when refering to a form of entertainment that is under the same attacks that rap was 15 years ago. (By Tipper Gore of course)
No Hillary. Bad Hillary. Move out of my Liberal State of NY. We do not want you anymore. You do not get the idea of a free nation. You're bent mind is out to erase our liberties for the sake of our children.
Please leave humanity Hillary. I speak as an adult who grew up as a child that ran around with toy guns pretending to be a soldier with my friends in our backyards. My father grew up with toy guns running around pretending to be a cowboy when he was younger in his friends backyards...
When you run around with toy guns at the age of 5-13. You pretend to kill things, and you pretend to die.
It's apart of life. Its called EXPERIENCE.
In GTA there are consequences. You shoot, kill and the cops chase you. You're playing as a criminal. Just as my friends played the enemy in our little backyard soldier games as a young boy. And yes, just as my father's friends played the evil North American Indians in his friends fantasy cowboys and indians adventures.
Hillary is failing to realize her youth. She grew up sucking dick just like the rest of the women who now have children.
Its an important thing to realize. I grew up with porn and videogames, and i'm a pretty decent guy. I dont smoke, i dont drink, i dont kill, i dont squander away the entire savings of my corperations workers... i do not take 120 million dollar bonuses and flee the corperation when the go bankrupt (like some of your high society friends hillary)
Nope... Folks like me, are just your average decent American. The kind of people that hate when you pull shit like this. You know, the kind of shit that makes you look like you think you're better than all of us. The kind of thing that says "I'm Hillary, I dont shit or wipe my own ass"
You're out of touch with the world, Mrs Senator Busy Body. Please move out of our State and let a real Liberal or Libertarian take over. We dont need you sabotaging our freedoms (We have enough asshole conservative republicans doing that already. In the name of god none the less)
So sway as the tall grass does, because the tall grass goes where the wind tells it. The tall grass has no spine, no sense of direction, just a need to appease the wind.
You're no leader, but you certainly are a politician. I hope one day, you will remember that you too sucked dick once. I hope that you some day return to us and say "hey i wiped my own ass... and i even shit first!" So we can all look at you and say "finally you're one of us again". Because you have certainly left the relm of reality.
I'll end this the way i began. Hillary using the word diss. A word that was spawned from the ghetto, from the underworld where freedom is respected and excerised at the ultimate horror of our ruling class uptights.
Back when Tipper Gore formed the PMRC and went after the music industry for these same arguments... ICE-T wrote a little diddy called Freedom of Speech. I had the tape back then, and i live by its sentiment today. Here are the lyrics.
Freedom of Speech, that's some motherf**kin' bullshit You say the wrong thing, they'll lock your ass up quick The FCC says "Profanity - No Airplay"? They can suck my dick while I take a shit all day Think I give a f**k about some silly bitch named Gore? Yo PMRC, here we go, raw Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick? You're bitchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb bitch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You? Hey PMRC, you stupid f**kin' assholes The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get
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[You have t
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If there is a backdoor in VOIP, what is to stop vonage employees from listening in and recording conversations for their own shits and giggles?
How long before some 14 year old genius hacker discovers the VOIP backdoors and exploits and records converstations and posts them on the net to make a point?
There is a reason why network security exists... Its not perfect... but without it... we're in a world of shit.
And now our government wants us to install backdoors in everthing we use on the net? So much for security.
That may be. But again life is not so simple. Who is to be trusted with our most damning evidence? The government? Private agencies? Corperations that demand DNA evidence before getting a credit card, or telephone line?
What kind of world will we become? I dont like the idea of relying solely on ones DNA as being the determining factor if they're guilty. If we become too set on accepting DNA has the ultimate evidence of guilt... Just how hard will it be to defend ones innocence?
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The problem is.. The telecos, cable providers etc will of course abuse this.
Cable does already. Teleco's do already...
The FCC simply allowed them to continue their bullshit practices.
I dont want a fucking $50 verizon line just so i can have their FIBER SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF
The FCC is fucking crazy. They're in bed with big buisness. They lifted the consolidation restraints... they've CONSISTANTLY provided the corperations what they want at the expense of the user.
The FCC is fucking worthless. Maybe they can afford to be forced to pay $50 for a POTS line along with their $50 FIBER service... But MOST people cant because unlike the FCC, their pockets arent filled with the cash bribes from the telecos
Face it... this world is a waste. We have no say in shit.
Get rich, buy out the companies you hate... then laugh as you shit on the rubble of their corperate headquarters you just demolished.
That is the only way to have a say in this country.
Otherwise.. you're fucking food for the corperations to chew and spit out at will.
GOAL! GOAL! GOAL!
Did you expect the FCC to side on the position of the consumer, the tax payer? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA SUCKER.
Damn it.. wheres that boat with the fucking tea on it... i know its around here somewhere.
Burn the FCC down.
Japan had better manufacturing. They invented a better assembly line method. Price of course was also a huge factor. They could turn out more cars at a cheaper cost.
Our country can not maintain. We have lost all of our industries. The only one remaining is building custom choppers, cars, boats and houses for the rich people of our country. The same rich people that sold out our well being.
The only industry left is the entertainment industry. But they will come crumbling when they realize we can no longer afford their bullshit.
Thats the real reason why piracy is growing. We're becoming more and more like the poor people in china who have pirated our overpriced software and movies for years.
We're finally catching up to china's poverty level.
"everyone" in America. And that is because of our US dollar value. Look at everyone in China. They are not traveling all over by plane, they are not all driving cars.
WE have the US dollar to pay for these things. But that US dollar value is constantly in decline. So how long do you think our standard of living will remain? At some point our Dollar will equal more closer to china/india etc. Places were they cant afford their OWN products.
So how will we be able to afford theres? Our standard of life will decline because our value will and we will no longer beable to afford our US life style.
The US DOLLAR VALUE is the only reason why we outsource to far cheaper labor. The end result is a bleeding to death America.
The result is... WE LOSE OUR VALUE.
WE LOSE OUR JOBS
WE LOSE EVERYTHING YOU JUST MENTIONED.
I cant wait to see Mr Hanky the wonderborg poo go back in time with Locutus to spread christmas joy to all the boys and girls back on earth. Howdy Ho! we are borg and you will be confagulated !!!!
... AND MEAN WHILE BACK AT THE HALLS OF JUSTICE...
.... AND MEAN WHILE... SOMEWHERE AQUAMAN IS URINATIGN ON A DOLPHIN
.... And mean while back at the hall of justice... (i dont know how the superfriends got mixed into Trey and Matt's new Trek series, but those guys are geniouses.. so dont fucking complain!)
... And meanwhile.... Aquaman is smoking a cigarette underwater.... How the fuck does he do that?.... Meanwhile...
Yes i made that word up... It's sci fi ass... Invert the phase convertors and run a level 3 diagnostic. Engage mr Hat! Engage my sweet sweet ass mr Hat!
To boldy go where no hand puppet has gone before!
Spokstan turns captain Kile and raises an eyebrow
Spokstan: "Captain?"
Captain Kile: "What is it spok?"
Spokstan: "Dude this is fucked up right here"
(Spokstan pointing at cartman's ass full of mr Hat)
Aquaman: "Oh yeah.... Oh yeah... Flipper you naughty bitch"
Captain Kile "Do we address the needs of the few versus the needs of the many?"
Misc Crew/Red Shirt Cartman: "I need ta Keek yeee eeen da nuhuuuuttts!"
Show canceled...
AH fuck.
Bring back TNG!!!!
Dont forget to bring a Towel!
Timmah!
I specifically mentioned Teenagers because I do not realistically expect anyone younger than a teen to get access to GTA. Mainly because i dont see them having access to malls by themselves etc. Any parent dropping off their 10 year old at the mall alone should have neither a child or a drivers liscense
Lets be real. Thats not possible. You impose your own generalizations. If i'm to not impose mine... You would have your way.
Thats not how this works.
I do want to add to my previous reply.. I do get where you're going with the "parents watching porno with the children"
You're hinting at the situation where a parent could sexually abuse a child. Thats not really what i'm getting at. Of course there should be laws regarding access. Thats what compromise is all about. But at the same time.. that is an extreme situation. No 14 year old is going to want to sit down and watch porno with their parents.
If they do, there would have to be a history of abuse to ever get to that point where a teen would be in that situation.
Do you realize there are nudist colonies where parents raise children? I mean the world isnt so simple that any law will cover the nuances of life.
And beleive me... if i was a kid growing up in a nudist colony... i would feel uncomfortable. But to take your example of a parent watcihng porno with a child.... How is the nudist colony example any different?
I guess it could be entirely innocent at the same time. At some point a parent does give the birds and the bees talk. Would it be wront for a parent to show a teen, a sexual education video talored towards the birds and the bees talk?
There are plenty of books printed on the subject. I was handed one by my mother when i was young. My father gave me the talk... AND in public school here in NY there were Sex Education classes.
So at what point is talking about sex with your children ok?
Not everything has to be as illegal and deviant as your example would lead us to beleive. There is nuance in life.
BUT I DO agree.. It is a scary road. Beleive me, i do hear you.
But no teen wants to talk about sex with their parents. (I didnt) Nothing was more uncomfortable than having dad spill the birds and bees talk... when i was already aware of how it all worked.
Which again.. brings me back to my point. The teens of the world... arent as dumb as most people think. Give them some credit... and some guidence.
You're so far from reality on this. Who is recommending that parents watch porno with children? What does that have to do with this? Thats outright sick and really far from what i'm talking about.
I'm talking about a teenager from a teenagers point of view, who has a girlfriend, probably felt her up and is atleast having oral sex.
A teen's perspective is.. "hello, wake up mom, dad... i'm already having sex.... GTA is the least of your worries"
Now how you deal with your teenager as he or she becomes an adult should not be dictated by some governmental gassbag like Hillary Clinton.
It's up to the parents to figure out how to deal with their child as they become an adult.
I have no idea why you're bringing up this sick idea of a parent watching porno with their child.
A TEEN does not want to fuck their parents... A teen wants to fuck the hot chick in highschool. Think back to when you were a teen... were you dreaming about your fucking parents?!
Jeez. Look at it from a teen who is transitioning into adult hood. They are becoming an individual. They have their own likes and dislikes...
Just like you did as a kid. At some point... Parents need to decide how they deal with that. The government should not be the ones who do.
No 10 year old is buying GTA at EB. I've personally witnessed a mother asking if a WWF game was too violent for her young son who looked about 9.
The clerk answered her appropriately. I at the time as buying Mortal Kombat V. And the clerk pointed out to the mother that the game that i was buying... was too violent for a younger person.
Store clerks do their job. They're usually gamers themselves. They know all about the games they sell.
If parents ask and do their job... We dont need laws that make it difficult for the more mature teens, to get games.
Watch porn with them? What teenager wants to watch porn with their parents?
I think you're going too deep into this. Again. Lets not act like we didnt oogle at breast when we were 15.
Lets not act like we didnt find our parents porno...
Lets not act like children arent googling "tits"
Lets not act like kids are going to obey our commands.
If you want laws that forebid mature teenagers from obtaining material that they will find ways to obtain reguardless of the law... So be it.
IF you want a world of laws, where the law says one thing, and under the table we do otherwise... so be it.
Teens are fucking each other. WAKE UP
You did it, I did it. And we're lucky.. we enjoyed it
Seriously.. I mean we were kids man... you and i. We all go through the same thing, perhaps slightly different but the same thing
hahahahahaha... i'm sure that is very true :)
But there are other things that you can listen to on the phone. Credit card orders... Social Security numbers, Banking info, buisness info, trade secrets... etc
There is a lot more than just boy girl talk but... heheh funny point and i think its well said.
I agree. The family is at fault. It will always boil down to parenting. If a parent can not parent their child, they should not be having children.
When you have children there are things to consider. Can you afford one? Do you love your wife and want to go down this long journey? Will you do the right thing for your child no matter what? Will you be understanding enough when they turn on you? Will you raise them in a manner that they know right from wrong and that you love them and they are the most important thing in your life? Would it be a good time to bring a person into this world at this present time?
Bringing a person into this world is the most incredible thing one can do. It comes with great responsibility.
A parent should have ever right and tool available to raise their child. But to expect that outside influences can be kept at bay is unrealistic.
Raising a child starts the same way as raising a barn. You start with the foundation. If the foundation is shit, the barn's going to fail.
Give your kids that strong foundation of love and tell them whats good and bad.. whats right and wrong.... And you know what? Playing GTA, watching films like predator may still influence them... But it will never break their foundation. They will see their way through life. They will become good people.
Its how must of us make it to adulthood.
If your message was in response to me. I'm 29. Predator is not the worst film i ever saw. It's just a good example of a film many people have probably seen. I'm a film fan too.. so i've seen much worse :)
I dont want children to play violent videogames per some mandatory obligation. I'm saying... I want the kids who want to play such games (and have their parents understanding), have the right to do so, and easily obtain them.
A parent should have every right to refuse and return the game for full credit. A parent should also be able to ask any clerk at any game store about the games before buying. A parent should have all the information they need about the games content. But at the same time... There will be teens... and we're talking about teens here. Not 4 year olds. Teens should be allowed to obtain the game. Just like they can read books on sexual education, or learn about the horrors of history in highschool, and in our libraries.
If they're not playing GTA in your house... they're playing it at "Billy's" house next door.
You used to be able too.. Thats what they taught in health class in the 50s ;)
Its true. Not everyone turns out right. Most of us do though. We will never raise the perfect child in life. We will always have our issues. We may be too fat, too tall, too short, too shy, too ugly, too attractive, we'll have our problems etc.
Erasing one thing from the equation of life is not going to breed the perfect adult.
It's just silly to to think that we can ever be safe. This is a geek oriented news site correct? Most of the geeks here are in IT and deal with security all the time. There is no security in life. There is no perfect path to perfection. Perfection does not exist. Censor life, and you are not doing a dam thing to make your children safer from the hazards of the universe.
I agree that a parents will should be respected. If a parent feels their child should not play a certain videogame. That is entirely their right.
I view a family, as being the most important thing in ones life. Dont fuck with my family and i wont fuck with your family (i dont mean that personally to you) The government should not be telling everyone what is appropriate for each family. My family is different from yours. I may want my child playing GTA. I may also want him to go buy it afterschool because i'm busy hard at work and cant go to the store for him.
The parent has the ultimate say. I agree. But in no way feel that a teenager should be barred from purchasing a game. There will be more teenagers that are capable of handling such a game than not. There will be just as many parents who dont mind, as there are who do.
Why should we make it hard for those who are capable of handling it verus those who are not or their parents do not want them to experience such media?
I ask that because again... I come back to our past. You and I... and the millions of other teenagers that grew up to be decent human beings. Teenagers that lived through world wars, playing cowboys and indians, drinking underage, trying drugs, trying smoking, cutting school, fake ids, watching porn, and teenage sex...
Why are we so affraid of who we were? When in the long run... we turned out just fine?
Maybe those things MADE us who we are... Maybe they made us decent human beings because through those experiences we learned what is right and what is wrong.
Yes.. I am infact saying it is entirely ok for Kids to play.
You sound like a nice person, a decent guy trying to do the right thing. I respect you i really do. But can we look into your past as a child?
What did you do as a teen? Were you horny as all teens usually are? Were you slightly out of control, rebelious? Were you drinking with your buddies? Perhaps you tried drinking once? Perhaps you smoked as a teen? Did you see predator as a teen? What other films did you see? What music did you listen to?
My point is... you probably did a lot of things that would be considered "adult"
And you sir... turned out fine.
So did I. My friends did as well. So did all of the other millions of teenagers throughout time. Its apart of growing up.
The sooner we realize that we all have a childhood that includes instances of "testing adulthood"... The sooner we'll be better off.
I do mean this in the most respect. We are all unique be all tested the waters at some point without our parents endorcement. That may be listening to music. It may be cursing like a sailor when you're with your friends but watching your mouth when your at the dinner table.
We really need to wake up to this. Its something about humanity that seems to forget our youth.
I've been looking for Carmen Santiago my entire life... That cold hearted whore.
The decline in morals and ethics in our beloved country of America stems from the big buisnesses that run our country.
America was once a self reliant giant that employed our citizens. This employment gave in return communities of families that could maintain a decent standard of living. They could count on working on a job their entire life as a single income family and life a good life.
Today... Adults move from job to job, no sense of stable income. Communities have fallen apart because buisnesses have pulled out. People cant afford their homes because they have no stable income.
Yet they push on.
They push on in a world where Ceo's that are destroying our once self reliant America, receive millions of dollars for bankrupting their companies. They see the rich doing more unethical things by the day. America does trickle down from the top. Its the rich that keep us working and happy.
Unfortunately... The rich no longer keep us working and happy...
They just expect us to buy everything they sell.
There is your moral decline. There is the reason why communities are hanging on to the bible like a glue that holds them together in this hectic world.
The decline is real. But it aint from videogames (which btw are one of our last major industries besides film and music)
You sir, are too dam smart for our country. Please report to your mandatory television viewing space and turn on Fox news to receive your reprogramming.
Oh there is proof. Unfortuntately the proof is only less than 20 (at best judging from sensationalized news stories) cases of any child really being influenced. And most of them are claiming GTA as an excuse.
According to Video Buisness Magazine, the GTA line of games (not even counting GTA1 and 2) Have sold over 100million+ units to homes and rental chains.
20 cases, out of 100million+
Yeah... there's a reason to piss away our freedoms.
According to Video Buisness Magazine, (I'm roughly adding up the numbers that i remember reading over the years)
The entire GTA line of games has sold easily over 100million units. Thats a single copy per house and rental chain.
Well i dont know about you... But i would buy a gun because i dont think we can stop 100million+ murdering pyschopathic 15-40year olds. I dont even think Hillary could fire a gun... So she's useless..
QUICK.. Lets arm ourselves before all of those 100million+ Americans go insane and take over the country...
QUICK.. GET THE BIBLE!
I cut and paste the lyrics before i realized that only the word FUCK was censored. If i had noticed before posting... I would have uncensored it. SO FUCK ;)
First off... Its histerical to see Hillary use the word "Diss" when refering to a form of entertainment that is under the same attacks that rap was 15 years ago. (By Tipper Gore of course)
No Hillary. Bad Hillary. Move out of my Liberal State of NY. We do not want you anymore. You do not get the idea of a free nation. You're bent mind is out to erase our liberties for the sake of our children.
Please leave humanity Hillary. I speak as an adult who grew up as a child that ran around with toy guns pretending to be a soldier with my friends in our backyards. My father grew up with toy guns running around pretending to be a cowboy when he was younger in his friends backyards...
When you run around with toy guns at the age of 5-13. You pretend to kill things, and you pretend to die.
It's apart of life. Its called EXPERIENCE.
In GTA there are consequences. You shoot, kill and the cops chase you. You're playing as a criminal. Just as my friends played the enemy in our little backyard soldier games as a young boy. And yes, just as my father's friends played the evil North American Indians in his friends fantasy cowboys and indians adventures.
Hillary is failing to realize her youth. She grew up sucking dick just like the rest of the women who now have children.
Its an important thing to realize. I grew up with porn and videogames, and i'm a pretty decent guy. I dont smoke, i dont drink, i dont kill, i dont squander away the entire savings of my corperations workers... i do not take 120 million dollar bonuses and flee the corperation when the go bankrupt (like some of your high society friends hillary)
Nope... Folks like me, are just your average decent American. The kind of people that hate when you pull shit like this. You know, the kind of shit that makes you look like you think you're better than all of us. The kind of thing that says "I'm Hillary, I dont shit or wipe my own ass"
You're out of touch with the world, Mrs Senator Busy Body. Please move out of our State and let a real Liberal or Libertarian take over. We dont need you sabotaging our freedoms (We have enough asshole conservative republicans doing that already. In the name of god none the less)
So sway as the tall grass does, because the tall grass goes where the wind tells it. The tall grass has no spine, no sense of direction, just a need to appease the wind.
You're no leader, but you certainly are a politician. I hope one day, you will remember that you too sucked dick once. I hope that you some day return to us and say "hey i wiped my own ass... and i even shit first!" So we can all look at you and say "finally you're one of us again". Because you have certainly left the relm of reality.
I'll end this the way i began. Hillary using the word diss. A word that was spawned from the ghetto, from the underworld where freedom is respected and excerised at the ultimate horror of our ruling class uptights.
Back when Tipper Gore formed the PMRC and went after the music industry for these same arguments... ICE-T wrote a little diddy called Freedom of Speech. I had the tape back then, and i live by its sentiment today. Here are the lyrics.
Freedom of Speech, that's some motherf**kin' bullshit
You say the wrong thing, they'll lock your ass up quick
The FCC says "Profanity - No Airplay"?
They can suck my dick while I take a shit all day
Think I give a f**k about some silly bitch named Gore?
Yo PMRC, here we go, raw
Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick?
You're bitchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb bitch
The Constitution says we all got a right to speak
Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak
Censor records, TV, school books too
And who decides what's right to hear? You?
Hey PMRC, you stupid f**kin' assholes
The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold
Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots
The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get
[Verse 2]
[You have t
If there is a backdoor in VOIP, what is to stop vonage employees from listening in and recording conversations for their own shits and giggles?
How long before some 14 year old genius hacker discovers the VOIP backdoors and exploits and records converstations and posts them on the net to make a point?
There is a reason why network security exists... Its not perfect... but without it... we're in a world of shit.
And now our government wants us to install backdoors in everthing we use on the net? So much for security.
That may be. But again life is not so simple. Who is to be trusted with our most damning evidence? The government? Private agencies? Corperations that demand DNA evidence before getting a credit card, or telephone line?
What kind of world will we become? I dont like the idea of relying solely on ones DNA as being the determining factor if they're guilty. If we become too set on accepting DNA has the ultimate evidence of guilt... Just how hard will it be to defend ones innocence?
BINGO.