Well there are levels of realism. A shooter could be made as real as running around in an iraqii ground war simulator... Or it could be real as in japanese/hong kong film style movie action.
It all depends on the style of game you're going for. I'm not not at all saying that doom3 should turn into a realistic/slow moving shooter. I'm saying add in more stylistic movements that compliment a game.
I get what you're saying though about the realism. It has its place. I'm more so talking about ways to spice up a games experience.
After all what makes a japanese/HK style action so great? Innovative ideas, choreography and camera work.
Up until say the Matrix here in the US, hollywood action films featured slow and boring fights. Very drawn out, slow and macho powerful fights that were like 2 guys beating each other up slowly until one finally collapsed.
Contrast that to todays hollywood action. They've attempted to steal HK/Japan's style and we now see more interesting ideas coming from the younger film makers out there who have been fans of the HK/Japanese films for years.
Thats not to say Hollywood has done a great job stealing from Japan/HK. They've done a really shitty job of it and its laughable but... they're learning. Its a cultural thing. Our actors havent grown up with that kind of movement and staging. In Asia, its been done for so long and its been done very well often.:)
So in games... yeah we can all make an FPS now with a kick ass engine. we've proven that. Now its time to bring a new experience to games. And it doesnt have to be HK/Japanese style action. Its just an example. Time to bring the experience level up.
Doom3's dark and shadowy rooms were excellent. I really liked that feel... It was the rest of the game that bothered me. Having the same old weapons... They only had an alien break through a door once in the entire game. That was the coolest moment and it was never repeated or build upon.
Doom3 needed work in the action department... but it sure was gorgeous.
You're right about the speed thing, but i personally feel the speed of FPS multiplayer games like quake should be slowed down to a little more realistic play. It doesnt have to realistic realistic, but more "movie speed"
I think you could work in a lot of those detailed animations and still retain a very good experience in a 30 player CTF game. I think it would be more interesting.
Frankly i'm tired of seeing people die every 5 seconds. Spawn, kill someone, then die, repeat...
If the player had a chance to feel like he was in a world, with a team.... where he had time to see great animation... (fast paced of course) but i think we need to ramp down the speed a little from the spawn, kill, die, repeat game play that multiplayer FPS games have become.
If a player crouches to pick up a gun, i want to see the character pick up the gun like a real person would. I want to see them check it out, reload it, look around. Perhaps they can dive and slide on the floor under bullets to get a gun.
I want to see more movement. Lean against a wall and look around the corner... run like a mad man, flip, dive on your back, dive on your chest... drop your gun if you take too big of a jump.
How about a dive and roll? How about seeing two team mates actually give each other their weapons when two players switch weapons.
How about really good deaths? Rag dolls, broken limbs, severed limbs etc. Have flying bodies actually knock over living players if a body flys into them. Have the player drop his gun in that situation.
Make the game more detailed.. make it more intense.. more realistic in a movement sense.
Have players dragging wounded teamates to heal them?
How about hand to hand combat?!
How about mixed, hand to hand and weapons.
Sadly enough i'm an animator/senior artist in the game industry:) Any game execs want to give me the chance?;)
Games to be more theatrical. The animations and movements should serve the gameplay, but not at the expense of hurting the "holy shit, that dude just dropped his gun and dove under a desk for cover" wow factor.
New ideas, new concepts in movement and animation need to be brougt to FPS games, and games in general.
How about being able to give your teammates ammo during a firefight? When you drop ammo, you see a player toss his teammate some ammo ?
Some new concepts of controls would be nice. A key combination such as crouch and jump plus a direction make a character dive. How about a pressing jump twice, does a backflip? Pressing D (right) and space does a dive to the side, or a cartwheel. The animations players see can be random. Soemtimes its a cartwheel, sometimes its a dive.
There is so much that can be done to bring life into the dull world of FPS
Doom3 wasnt terrible btw. ID did make an effort to have cahracters climb down walls, break through doors. Unfortunately they only used that effect perhaps 3 times in the entire game?!
And Half life 2 felt like a tech demo just as much as Doom3. How many times did the HF2 level designers need to show off how a stack of barrels blows up ?:) They loved to show off the physics. The game was for the most part realyl good... but far too short. It did get kind of boring. The monsters werent great. HF2 was all about the great Havok physics and level design.
Doom3 was all about its graphics engine.
The trick is... graphics do not make a game. (Graphics may sell a game but it does not make a game. After all Street Fighter 3 Third Strike still kicks ass)
Look at Grand Theft Auto. The graphics suck. But when you first drove around in GTA3 you were loving it. You got out of your car, shot up the gansters, ran people over, smashed hookers with bats. It was new, it was fun. They introduced ideas that made the world more unique and real in a sense.
All while the shitty renderware graphics engine looked bland with terrible textures, piss poor character modelling... even shitty aiming controls
But the game was fun and it created an environment that no gamer had ever experienced at that point.
THAT is exactly what FPS's need to address.... providing the gamer something they havent experienced yet.
Its possible.
Look at what Burnout 3 did for arcade racers. That is one amazing ride. Take away the great attention to crashing detail... and its the same as your other arcade racers. Point is... The burnout 3 team went to a new level, they added in crashes that you've never seen in a game. They're histerical, with bullet time. Cars go flying, glass smashed everywhere, traffic jams, tons of destruction....
DETAIL!
They reinvented, or shall i say, breathed life into a rather boring genre (arcade racers) by simply adding a new experience to an old game formula.
... or its just the same game we've already played, with nicer moving pictures.
Just once, i would like to see an FPS multiplayer online game that takes into account good animation and movement. I want to see cool stuff while i play, not just run around and see others running simply with silly guns we've all played with a thousand times already. Bring more stylized movement into the game, more theatrics and less of the old "run and hop" movement.
I think that it's fair to say that this is the first time in history that people everywhere else see America whining about its inability to compete.
In times past, the American workforce was something to admire. I don't think that's the case any longer.
BULLSHIT! Its the wealthy that have sold the American workforce out. The poor do not hire people. The poor do not start huge multinational corperations that machine hardware tech and do software developement.
Its the wealthy that pay us, the worker.
The problem isnt that American's are less talented. The problem IS that American workers COST TOO MUCH.
And that we can not change because WE ARE AMERICA. Our Dollar (which is in decline) Is still worth a hell of a lot more than most foreign currency.
We simply cant compete in this "free trade" economy because we're not slave labor. We demand a standard of living.
The problem is... Its just like the day's of slavery here in the US. Rich white guy doesnt want to pick cotton in the hot sun unless he gets paid? Solution... Get the black guy to do it for free. You can exploit the black guy... ITS LEGAL.
Same thing is happening today. We have legalized an unfair playing field that has made slave labor legal.
Now of course its not the same kind of slave labor as back in the day. Now we pay our slaves... we pay them shit.. but we pay them because they live in countries that are poor and are extremely cheap.
It's not that we dont work hard. The problem is that our slave masters are in bed with our politicians. And somewhere between swallowing donkey and elephant cum... they convinced our representatives to open up free trade.
And this is the result.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO TRADE! They cant afford our products, and our slave masters can exploit foreign slave labor WHILE taking our mighty (but in rapid decline) US dollar.
Maximize profits through cheap labor... Jus' like whipping a "nigga" in the fields. Congrats. This is what happens when you vote for elephants and donkeys.
So. Explain to me how this idea is a good thing for Sony?
Its quite simple really. Sony makes the hardware. Hardware sales will increase as new usability becomes widespread as a result of the "open" software.
Sony also makes the memsticks... Everyone will be buying a 1gig or 2gig mem stick as soon as they can find one in stock:)
As the news of the "open" software travels, people will be interested in using it on their PSP. IF this "open" software, is usable, innovative, fun etc... It will further the life of the PSP, which will of course result in more game sales because people will want to use their PSP more.
So the open software would inspire people to buy PSPs, buy official games for their PSP, and prolong the life of the PSP by creating a scene for it where it's users are involved in making their PSP do new and cool things.
Yes Sony could of course lose a little in the area of competing with some of the open software options... But they could of course take the ideas, improve on them and sell it in a better package to compete. AND like i said, the sales of UMD games/movies will increase as a result of the usefullness of the PSP.
I'm just itching for MAME or final Burn on the PSP.
The PSP is brilliant. I have 2 Japanese versions (flawless btw, no problems) and the PSP really is one hell of a device. It is unbeleivable that they managed to put so much power into a handheld device that lasts pretty dam long on a battery!
Think back to SGI indigos etc... and compare them to PSP's 3d hardware. Its just amazing that today we have anything like a PSP. It's a phenominal peice of hardware. It really is landmark in handheld devices.
The DS in comparison to the PSP, is just underpowered. The DS is nice but its obsolete already. It has no texture filtering, 1000 poly's per frame, no ram etc. With the PSP, you're getting a full featured 3d accelerator, 1mil polys per frame (30 mil per sec), more colors, bigger better screen etc.
The PSP could have used a touch screen/pen device. Thats the one thing that Nintendo did right with the DS. Sony probably didnt want to completely destroy their handdheld PDA product line, so they probably decided to keep that feature out of the PSP.
Sure it hurts free speech. What happens if you dont register?
Political Advertisements are unique. They are on TV, a very limited broadcasting platform. Only the extremely wealthy can advertise on tv. In the world of blogging, anyone can. It's a much wider medium, accessable to all.
In practice, it is likely to take weeks, months or years to track the affilitions of a "trojan" (as you put it). By the time you have untangled the web of obfuscation, the election will be well and truly over. And the "trojan" typically won't care that his/her reputation is blown.
By requiring the connections to be disclosed upfront (on pain of legal penalties), you reduce the "trojan"s influence on the election outcome. For me, the real question is whether the disclosure of just financial links would be enough to make a difference.
I understand the reasoning. I just dont see it as possible. Everyone can blog. Anyone can stand on their street corner talking to random people. Anyone can knock on your door with a peice of paper advertising their political view.
How do we regulate everyone politically?
If i say "I grew up with Bush, and i once saw him hang a black person and fuck a chicken... and i have photos" Must i have a financial background check first?
Of course the example is silly but the point is... In a political season, people get political. What is the standard ? How many listeners you have?
I have X amount of audience members, so i must be federally regulated because my voice is too powerfull?
Even if we expose trojan's during or before an election, will i thave an effect? Did Dan rather effect the election? How do we know the republicans didnt stuff Dan Rather bad info, just to expose him on some blog?
I'm pretty sure you can inject bullshit into any part of the chain before it enters the blogs, newspapers etc.
All it takes is one sneaky politician to leak bullshit info to some info hungry blogger. is the blogger at fault?
This is nothing new folks. We've had newspapers for years. Anon sources for years have leaked bullshit aimed at altering our country.
It's really not preventable. We just need to punish those who do it, severely:)
Also if you watch C-span's washington Journal (great program) You can clearly pick out the regular callers who are obviously paid to inject issues constantly into the public thought train.
Most of the callers are real individuals without any political connection, but you can tell when the few paid callers call up.
Political Deception is out there and its nothing new. No campaign finance reform or law will stop it.
Its a question about the integrity of man/woman. There is no way to legislate the integrity of someone's claims in a free speech world.
I take a bite out of a shit sandwhich and say "MMMmmMMMMM MMMM is that sandwhich good" and you'll buy it and say "THIS TASTE LIKE SHIT!" And i will have still made my money.
Thats freedom. Its also an example of a heartless character who lacks integrity.. but hey.. THATS ADVERTISING:)
he issue at heart is that there are now so many venues to surreptitously flog political viewpoints disguised as something else. If someone thinks they are reading a personal blog with a political viewpoint and it is in fact a paid action on behalf of a candidate, they have a right to know that up front.
Well i dont know if its more true now than ever before. I mean there has always been political deception. Voters will always have to deal with it. Perhaps now there are more obvious hiding spots, but the problem is the same problem that has existed ever since the beginning of man's quest for power. Nothing has really changed.
What it boils down to is... WHAT IS REALITY? And who the hell knows. Did we ever know to begin with?
We vote for trojan horse politicians all of the time. We are blasted with political ads that are full of bullshit. NONE of the politicians ever talk about real issues. So who really cares if a blogger is on the take? I mean what has really changed? It's been like this for years! Forget blogging.. how about NEWSPAPERS! All it takes is one leaked story (purposely leaked) to some like minded idealistic newspaper "reporter" and there you have the makings of a political bullshit parade. The rest of the talking heads (all bought and paid for by the parties) pile on top of the issue. They drive the issue into mainstream media, blinding all of us from real issues that matter...
point taken. Not all liberals understand liberty, and not all conservatives get conservatism..... coughBUSHcough.;)
Actually there is an issue here, and its valid. Its just one of those issues where there is hardly an answer for. Frankly regulating bloggers is a stupid way to get bloggers to disclose their campaign connections.
The best way to deal with "trojan bloggers" or "trojan talking heads on tv" is to simply investigate them secretly and expose them, and assasinate them publically based on the facts of their doings. If someone has taken money, then expose them the old fashioned way.
What I have to question in this debate is, what prevents the consumer from making other choices to better suit their needs?
Answer: The corperations.
Who prevents the corperations from abusing their power? Apparently not the FCC... Apparently not our government.
There are no alternatives. ALL of the teleco's and cable providers package services. Cablevision for example has a "tripple play" deal. You can buy their net service for $50 a month, their cable for $60 a month, and their voip for $34 a month (individually) But if you buy them in a package deal, you get voip for $14 a month... Of course... That deal only works for 6 months... and when thats up you will of course be paying full price.
Of course you can just get net service... with a $5 penatly fee. Not horrible, but its total bullshit.
writing your congresswhore only works if you're complaining about "our childrens innocense" or any other thing they can use politicaly to grandstand for votes.
Otherwise whatever real opinions you have... dont mean shit and end up in the trash courtesy of their intern's intern's intern's newphew's former roomate.
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Sony treats games like art.
Examples:
ICO
Wanda Versus the Collosus
God of War
Well there are levels of realism. A shooter could be made as real as running around in an iraqii ground war simulator... Or it could be real as in japanese/hong kong film style movie action.
:)
It all depends on the style of game you're going for. I'm not not at all saying that doom3 should turn into a realistic/slow moving shooter. I'm saying add in more stylistic movements that compliment a game.
I get what you're saying though about the realism. It has its place. I'm more so talking about ways to spice up a games experience.
After all what makes a japanese/HK style action so great? Innovative ideas, choreography and camera work.
Up until say the Matrix here in the US, hollywood action films featured slow and boring fights. Very drawn out, slow and macho powerful fights that were like 2 guys beating each other up slowly until one finally collapsed.
Contrast that to todays hollywood action. They've attempted to steal HK/Japan's style and we now see more interesting ideas coming from the younger film makers out there who have been fans of the HK/Japanese films for years.
Thats not to say Hollywood has done a great job stealing from Japan/HK. They've done a really shitty job of it and its laughable but... they're learning. Its a cultural thing. Our actors havent grown up with that kind of movement and staging. In Asia, its been done for so long and its been done very well often.
So in games... yeah we can all make an FPS now with a kick ass engine. we've proven that. Now its time to bring a new experience to games. And it doesnt have to be HK/Japanese style action. Its just an example. Time to bring the experience level up.
Doom3's dark and shadowy rooms were excellent. I really liked that feel... It was the rest of the game that bothered me. Having the same old weapons... They only had an alien break through a door once in the entire game. That was the coolest moment and it was never repeated or build upon.
Doom3 needed work in the action department... but it sure was gorgeous.
well speed is relative. I mean is Hong Kong action films slow? Not at all, but they're full of beautiful movements.
I think you can have a fairly fast paced game and still be full of great movement and little things that make the experience new.
You're right about the speed thing, but i personally feel the speed of FPS multiplayer games like quake should be slowed down to a little more realistic play. It doesnt have to realistic realistic, but more "movie speed"
I think you could work in a lot of those detailed animations and still retain a very good experience in a 30 player CTF game. I think it would be more interesting.
Frankly i'm tired of seeing people die every 5 seconds. Spawn, kill someone, then die, repeat...
If the player had a chance to feel like he was in a world, with a team.... where he had time to see great animation... (fast paced of course) but i think we need to ramp down the speed a little from the spawn, kill, die, repeat game play that multiplayer FPS games have become.
I'm not talking about cinematics.
:) Any game execs want to give me the chance? ;)
:) They loved to show off the physics. The game was for the most part realyl good... but far too short. It did get kind of boring. The monsters werent great. HF2 was all about the great Havok physics and level design.
If a player crouches to pick up a gun, i want to see the character pick up the gun like a real person would. I want to see them check it out, reload it, look around. Perhaps they can dive and slide on the floor under bullets to get a gun.
I want to see more movement. Lean against a wall and look around the corner... run like a mad man, flip, dive on your back, dive on your chest... drop your gun if you take too big of a jump.
How about a dive and roll? How about seeing two team mates actually give each other their weapons when two players switch weapons.
How about really good deaths? Rag dolls, broken limbs, severed limbs etc. Have flying bodies actually knock over living players if a body flys into them. Have the player drop his gun in that situation.
Make the game more detailed.. make it more intense.. more realistic in a movement sense.
Have players dragging wounded teamates to heal them?
How about hand to hand combat?!
How about mixed, hand to hand and weapons.
Sadly enough i'm an animator/senior artist in the game industry
Games to be more theatrical. The animations and movements should serve the gameplay, but not at the expense of hurting the "holy shit, that dude just dropped his gun and dove under a desk for cover" wow factor.
New ideas, new concepts in movement and animation need to be brougt to FPS games, and games in general.
How about being able to give your teammates ammo during a firefight? When you drop ammo, you see a player toss his teammate some ammo ?
Some new concepts of controls would be nice. A key combination such as crouch and jump plus a direction make a character dive. How about a pressing jump twice, does a backflip? Pressing D (right) and space does a dive to the side, or a cartwheel. The animations players see can be random. Soemtimes its a cartwheel, sometimes its a dive.
There is so much that can be done to bring life into the dull world of FPS
Doom3 wasnt terrible btw. ID did make an effort to have cahracters climb down walls, break through doors. Unfortunately they only used that effect perhaps 3 times in the entire game?!
And Half life 2 felt like a tech demo just as much as Doom3. How many times did the HF2 level designers need to show off how a stack of barrels blows up ?
Doom3 was all about its graphics engine.
The trick is... graphics do not make a game. (Graphics may sell a game but it does not make a game. After all Street Fighter 3 Third Strike still kicks ass)
Look at Grand Theft Auto. The graphics suck. But when you first drove around in GTA3 you were loving it. You got out of your car, shot up the gansters, ran people over, smashed hookers with bats. It was new, it was fun. They introduced ideas that made the world more unique and real in a sense.
All while the shitty renderware graphics engine looked bland with terrible textures, piss poor character modelling... even shitty aiming controls
But the game was fun and it created an environment that no gamer had ever experienced at that point.
THAT is exactly what FPS's need to address.... providing the gamer something they havent experienced yet.
Its possible.
Look at what Burnout 3 did for arcade racers. That is one amazing ride. Take away the great attention to crashing detail... and its the same as your other arcade racers. Point is... The burnout 3 team went to a new level, they added in crashes that you've never seen in a game. They're histerical, with bullet time. Cars go flying, glass smashed everywhere, traffic jams, tons of destruction....
DETAIL!
They reinvented, or shall i say, breathed life into a rather boring genre (arcade racers) by simply adding a new experience to an old game formula.
... or its just the same game we've already played, with nicer moving pictures.
Just once, i would like to see an FPS multiplayer online game that takes into account good animation and movement. I want to see cool stuff while i play, not just run around and see others running simply with silly guns we've all played with a thousand times already. Bring more stylized movement into the game, more theatrics and less of the old "run and hop" movement.
They're all the same. Vote with a gun! ;)
"The rise up and burn down the government... Family Act of 2008" ... Its a coming :)
ICO rules. Its the most emotionally connecting game ever made. It's the videogames industry equivilant to a Studio Ghibli films or fine art.
ICO is all class, all heart, subtle in its story telling methods and yet it hits every note.
Best game i've ever played. I cant wait for Wanda and the Collosus (ICO dev teams next game).
You are really strange. Serially, seek help immediately. Run to a member of the opposite sex ASAP and confess your homosexuality.
:)
If attacking someone is the only way you can discuss a topic... by all means continue. It's all you have done so far. I can take it.
Please continue insulting me if it makes you feel better. However I'm still right, no matter how much it bothers you
You state that i havent earned a response from you, however you've responsed twice with personal attacks.
Keep going! I love watching self destruction.
We cant trust foreigners... They have militaries.
Luckily we have one also.
Education was around during slavery. Only the wealthy received a quality education. The only education slaves got, were specific to on the job tasks.
:)
That's pretty much how it is today as well.
You can think free public education makes you less of a slave...
If it makes you feel better
Yeah... Europe.. That would be the same Europe that has the Euro? And the GBP? Which both cost more than our US dollar currently.
Yeah... Europe must be doing something wrong... I mean hell... look at the value of their currency! It's only TWICE that of the dollar.
I think Europe is a little better off than we are.
Hell they work less too.
BULLSHIT! Its the wealthy that have sold the American workforce out. The poor do not hire people. The poor do not start huge multinational corperations that machine hardware tech and do software developement.
Its the wealthy that pay us, the worker.
The problem isnt that American's are less talented. The problem IS that American workers COST TOO MUCH.
And that we can not change because WE ARE AMERICA. Our Dollar (which is in decline) Is still worth a hell of a lot more than most foreign currency.
We simply cant compete in this "free trade" economy because we're not slave labor. We demand a standard of living.
The problem is... Its just like the day's of slavery here in the US. Rich white guy doesnt want to pick cotton in the hot sun unless he gets paid? Solution... Get the black guy to do it for free. You can exploit the black guy... ITS LEGAL.
Same thing is happening today. We have legalized an unfair playing field that has made slave labor legal.
Now of course its not the same kind of slave labor as back in the day. Now we pay our slaves... we pay them shit.. but we pay them because they live in countries that are poor and are extremely cheap.
It's not that we dont work hard. The problem is that our slave masters are in bed with our politicians. And somewhere between swallowing donkey and elephant cum... they convinced our representatives to open up free trade.
And this is the result.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO TRADE! They cant afford our products, and our slave masters can exploit foreign slave labor WHILE taking our mighty (but in rapid decline) US dollar.
Maximize profits through cheap labor... Jus' like whipping a "nigga" in the fields. Congrats. This is what happens when you vote for elephants and donkeys.
Our country isnt stupid. Its POWERLESS.
Of course we could put a stop to this by not investing in their world domination scheme.
Oops too late. Corperate America already sold us out.
Its quite simple really. Sony makes the hardware. Hardware sales will increase as new usability becomes widespread as a result of the "open" software.
Sony also makes the memsticks... Everyone will be buying a 1gig or 2gig mem stick as soon as they can find one in stock
As the news of the "open" software travels, people will be interested in using it on their PSP. IF this "open" software, is usable, innovative, fun etc... It will further the life of the PSP, which will of course result in more game sales because people will want to use their PSP more.
So the open software would inspire people to buy PSPs, buy official games for their PSP, and prolong the life of the PSP by creating a scene for it where it's users are involved in making their PSP do new and cool things.
Yes Sony could of course lose a little in the area of competing with some of the open software options... But they could of course take the ideas, improve on them and sell it in a better package to compete. AND like i said, the sales of UMD games/movies will increase as a result of the usefullness of the PSP.
I'm just itching for MAME or final Burn on the PSP.
The PSP is brilliant. I have 2 Japanese versions (flawless btw, no problems) and the PSP really is one hell of a device. It is unbeleivable that they managed to put so much power into a handheld device that lasts pretty dam long on a battery!
Think back to SGI indigos etc... and compare them to PSP's 3d hardware. Its just amazing that today we have anything like a PSP. It's a phenominal peice of hardware. It really is landmark in handheld devices.
The DS in comparison to the PSP, is just underpowered. The DS is nice but its obsolete already. It has no texture filtering, 1000 poly's per frame, no ram etc. With the PSP, you're getting a full featured 3d accelerator, 1mil polys per frame (30 mil per sec), more colors, bigger better screen etc.
The PSP could have used a touch screen/pen device. Thats the one thing that Nintendo did right with the DS. Sony probably didnt want to completely destroy their handdheld PDA product line, so they probably decided to keep that feature out of the PSP.
Shame.
Sure it hurts free speech. What happens if you dont register?
Political Advertisements are unique. They are on TV, a very limited broadcasting platform. Only the extremely wealthy can advertise on tv. In the world of blogging, anyone can. It's a much wider medium, accessable to all.
ah... a fine example of what our country has begun. How very christian of you.
I'm sure God is proud of what you've become and how you treat the rest of his children.
I understand the reasoning. I just dont see it as possible. Everyone can blog. Anyone can stand on their street corner talking to random people. Anyone can knock on your door with a peice of paper advertising their political view.
How do we regulate everyone politically?
If i say "I grew up with Bush, and i once saw him hang a black person and fuck a chicken... and i have photos" Must i have a financial background check first?
Of course the example is silly but the point is... In a political season, people get political. What is the standard ? How many listeners you have?
I have X amount of audience members, so i must be federally regulated because my voice is too powerfull?
Even if we expose trojan's during or before an election, will i thave an effect? Did Dan rather effect the election? How do we know the republicans didnt stuff Dan Rather bad info, just to expose him on some blog?
I'm pretty sure you can inject bullshit into any part of the chain before it enters the blogs, newspapers etc.
All it takes is one sneaky politician to leak bullshit info to some info hungry blogger. is the blogger at fault?
This is nothing new folks. We've had newspapers for years. Anon sources for years have leaked bullshit aimed at altering our country.
It's really not preventable. We just need to punish those who do it, severely
Also if you watch C-span's washington Journal (great program) You can clearly pick out the regular callers who are obviously paid to inject issues constantly into the public thought train.
:)
Most of the callers are real individuals without any political connection, but you can tell when the few paid callers call up.
Political Deception is out there and its nothing new. No campaign finance reform or law will stop it.
Its a question about the integrity of man/woman. There is no way to legislate the integrity of someone's claims in a free speech world.
I take a bite out of a shit sandwhich and say "MMMmmMMMMM MMMM is that sandwhich good" and you'll buy it and say "THIS TASTE LIKE SHIT!" And i will have still made my money.
Thats freedom. Its also an example of a heartless character who lacks integrity.. but hey.. THATS ADVERTISING
Well i dont know if its more true now than ever before. I mean there has always been political deception. Voters will always have to deal with it. Perhaps now there are more obvious hiding spots, but the problem is the same problem that has existed ever since the beginning of man's quest for power. Nothing has really changed.
What it boils down to is... WHAT IS REALITY? And who the hell knows. Did we ever know to begin with?
We vote for trojan horse politicians all of the time. We are blasted with political ads that are full of bullshit. NONE of the politicians ever talk about real issues. So who really cares if a blogger is on the take? I mean what has really changed? It's been like this for years! Forget blogging.. how about NEWSPAPERS! All it takes is one leaked story (purposely leaked) to some like minded idealistic newspaper "reporter" and there you have the makings of a political bullshit parade. The rest of the talking heads (all bought and paid for by the parties) pile on top of the issue. They drive the issue into mainstream media, blinding all of us from real issues that matter...
WHAT HAS CHANGED?
There is no answer to this old problem.
point taken. Not all liberals understand liberty, and not all conservatives get conservatism..... coughBUSHcough. ;)
Actually there is an issue here, and its valid. Its just one of those issues where there is hardly an answer for. Frankly regulating bloggers is a stupid way to get bloggers to disclose their campaign connections.
The best way to deal with "trojan bloggers" or "trojan talking heads on tv" is to simply investigate them secretly and expose them, and assasinate them publically based on the facts of their doings. If someone has taken money, then expose them the old fashioned way.
GO YANKS!
Answer: The corperations.
Who prevents the corperations from abusing their power? Apparently not the FCC... Apparently not our government.
There are no alternatives. ALL of the teleco's and cable providers package services. Cablevision for example has a "tripple play" deal. You can buy their net service for $50 a month, their cable for $60 a month, and their voip for $34 a month (individually) But if you buy them in a package deal, you get voip for $14 a month... Of course... That deal only works for 6 months... and when thats up you will of course be paying full price.
Of course you can just get net service... with a $5 penatly fee. Not horrible, but its total bullshit.
writing your congresswhore only works if you're complaining about "our childrens innocense" or any other thing they can use politicaly to grandstand for votes. Otherwise whatever real opinions you have... dont mean shit and end up in the trash courtesy of their intern's intern's intern's newphew's former roomate.
Government doesnt overhaul itself. The people overhaul the government.... with guns.