Stop. Its just silly. I understand your point but instead of addressing the topic, you want to proclaim me as a racist. Because as we know, racists are all wrong, and the easiest thing to do in an argument is not discuss the issue, but find a way to call someone a racist.
If someone says the government is corrupt, they obviously do not mean everyone in the government.
Islam is a religion of hate. That general enough for you?:)
Well by that definition the, Verizon could block offensive words on their telephone, or on the internet all together...
But you dont want that do you?
See the problem?
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. If its as you say it is (which i understand is true for the most part)... its still wrong. The goal was always freedom. We may not have it entirely... but its still the fucking goal.
None of them give a shit. Slavery was always the goal. We outlawed it in the US.. but not overseas.
The US Workers who demanded a modest life style, home and health care... were sold out by those companies who would rather employ slaves, then Americans because its more profitable and slaves are easy to abuse.
When you outsource to foreign lands that force workers to sleep on the assembly lines, and in the factories... for 65 cents an hour, you're supporting slavery. (This is the common work condition of chinese labor)
I'm sorry. Apple wanted to cheat the economic system by not hiring Americans, because we have lives and high expenses due to the cost of living in America. Why pay Americans who only want to work and have a home and healthcare, when you can hire Chinese slaves who are easily replaced no matter how many of them commit suicide.
Are you talking about foreign policy? or socially?
It's no secret that historically that part of the world has dealt with a lot of political bs. We get that. But it has nothing to do with altering our ideas of freedom of expression and censoring our culture.
And you would be an intelligent well educated individual to know that obviously I'm NOT speaking about every Muslim. But you instead proclaim its intelligent to point that out at every turn?
I mean I thought intelligent people already knew all Muslims weren't bad. Do we have to have this politically correct disclaimer every time we speak? Dont we all know this by now?
"This Broccoli taste like shit... but not all broccoli is bad..."
Fuck this PC shit. I'm a progressive independent politically, and I'm even tired of it. Its just fucking dumb to end every god damn statement with a fucking disclaimer.
Arent we smart enough to know that there are no absolutes?
But you go right on pointing it out at every opportunity. Use that to win your arguments. Hell point it out so i dont have to point it out every fucking time.
I dont know what the fuck you just said, but its nonsense.
A) I'm not a republican. B) I'm a fucking atheist! C) I'm a progressive independent that probably gives a fuck load more about humanity than you do. The difference is, I have thought about "Their" point of view.. and their point of view is fucking counter progressive, and counter independence. There is NO FUCKING WAY I will ever support the idea of "giving in" to their muslim wishes, if it means revoking an individuals right to criticize them.
So whatever else you wrote? I'm not reading it. It may be brilliant, it may not. But your first few sentences were dead wrong and typical.
So you're saying that you would call me an intelligent, well educated individual if I just gave up my rights and bowed down to Muhammad?
Well.. I'll a be an uneducated redneck twat then.
But I'm not... I'm an American who understands free thought, freedom of expression, and the great American tradition of simply saying "Go fuck yourself".
We understand the other point of view. The point is in a free society, you do not have the right to not be offended.
so, the other point of view does not matter.
Every fairy tale god has taken its share of criticism, and ridicule throught out history, and in our so called free society, we are supposed to value the idea of freedom of expression.
Instead here we are selling out our constitution, our struggle from historical oppression of thought and ideas.... only to find ourselves giving all of it away to make Muslims happy? Fuck them and their selfishness. We make fun of Jesus Christ every fucking day here in America, in music, arts etc. We also praise him every day in music and arts... and the same for Muhammad. If they dont like it... They can stay out of our way of life. They can STOP watching and listening to our are. And they can stay the fuck off our websites.
Its all nice to "think of their side of things"... but their side of things beats women, forces them to wear burkas, and kills anyone who questions their god. WE already thought about their side of things... and it's fucking stupid.
We just became a little more Islamic fundamentalist by giving into their way of life, rather than standing up for freedom.
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I'm so tired of people bending over for Muslims and their way of life. Muslims will NEVER give us an inch, so we we give up our freedom? What a shit deal.
As an animator and a fan of comedy... You're correct.
We dont laugh at Wile E Coyote because we enjoy his suffering. We laugh at it because we know its not real. I always find it interesting that some people can enjoy racial humor, and not be racist. Its completely possible to separate yourself from reality in humor. Humor is based on truth and exaggeration.
We've all heard a great Christopher Reeve joke in our life time... and we probably laughed. That does not mean that we honestly take pleasure in his suffering. There is more to a joke than meets the eye. Riddles can be fun because they can rhyme. Its the writing technique and style mixed with the content that makes it interesting. In a joke the same can be true. Its often the construct that is funny, and the content is secondary, although extremely important. But the construct is what makes a joke work. Thats why some people cant tell a good joke. They have no timing, or they simply fuck up someone else's great line.
Back to content. Most comedians do not like to hurt the weak. Most comedians know that if there is someone in a wheelchair in the audience, they're probably their to find some happiness in life. It's rare that a comic will just start telling Christoper Reeve jokes or single out the person in a wheel chair to insult them. A comic would generally feel terrible doing that. But on the next night, when theres no wheel chair riding audience members, they'll let the cripple jokes fly!
I dont think people like humor because of some kind of superiority complex. I think it may be part of it, but you forgot the important part, that many people do have hearts... and do not want to insult someone they feel empathy for.
That doesnt mean we cant laugh at offensive material... It just means while we laugh, many of us have a heart that is grounded... and when not enjoying the horribleness of humor... we do care.
Carlin did. Pryor did... and they both told Nigger jokes.... and they both united generations of all kinds of people.
Listen to Bill Hicks...
The best of comics have a bit of soul to them.
Willie E Coyote, we laughed at for sure... but many people identified with his endless attempts at success... and his constant failure. Thats why it was funny. We've all been there... and laughing at ourselves is what humans do best... even if its about the most horrible of subject matters. Its our gift, we can reflect on ourselves.
Sure we often fail to build that "Star Trek Utopia"... but at least deep down we all know whats wrong with the world. So might as well laugh at it
Well for one, for all of our problems as a country, we can handle a few jokes and some porn without blowing up a building.
I'm not going to defend the US. We do plenty of fucked up shit, bad stuff... mostly to our people...
But thats a much wider topic that is beyond the scope of Muslims murdering/threatening people over portrayals of Muhammad that they find offensive.
I mean if you're going to go into humanities faults, we're going to be here for a long fucking time talking about this.
The issue is more inline with woman's rights. If Muslims dont want women to be equal.. well fuck them and their women... But dont for a second expect American or Euro women to take a beating and wear a burka because Muslins want it that way.
I have no problem with muslims walling up their world and staying primatives... if thats how they want to live. But Fuck them if they want to impose their shit on our people, such as the South Park creators or other free thinking artists/authors around the world for example Salim Rushdee.
All religion sucks period. This is just one of those stupid human behavioral side effects religious arrogance.
Oh shut up. Thats liberal nonsense.. and believe me.. I'm a liberal.
You're not dealing with reality.
In American culture we criticism Christians and Jesus all the time. We've been doing it for decades in the arts. Ever hear of a great man named George Carlin?
I mean what fucking planet do you live on? Are you an American? Do you even fucking know our culture? South Park which was recently threatened with death by Muslims (Terrorists) over a Muhammad cartoon. South Park only exists as a TV show because they originally made an underground animation that depicted Jesus fighting Santa Claus, and ridiculed "Kyle" for being Jewish... and "Cartman" for being fat.
Hell we have a LONG history of mocking things in criticism, because we have a history of free expression. If Muslims cant deal with that... then in great American fashion, I will speak for America and say "Go Fuck Yourself"
Sinead O'Conner. Look her up.
Jesus FUCKING CHRIST... I hate people who stand up for fucking the muslims who have no tolerance of others. Why are you so willing to give up your beleifs for theirs? They will NEVER meet you half way, so you give them exactly what they want? You fucking coward.
Stand up for OUR ideals....not their ass backwards intolerant ways.
We may be intolerant and not perfect in our own ways.. but it is an evolution of OUR culture.... which is light years a head of theirs, especially when you realize how slow we as a culture were able to evolve ourselves. What we're seeing is how far they are behind and their intolerance is not our fucking problem.
Exactly. Fuck Muhammad dead in his ass. Religion is dumb.
I'm tired of these fucking muslim babies who cant take a joke, or criticism. Go fuck yourself. Enough.
We bend over backwards for these clowns, because we're afraid they'll blow up a building. I'm sorry but, we should not bend over backwards these people.
Either they join us in modern society, or they can keep themselves out of it. Just dont expect us to give a damn.
See now that is an honest answer. I admire that. I agree.. lets hate them both so that we get what we want out of them... but one day we have to admit "this stuff is pretty good". If it warrants it of course.
Apple right now is far more controlling than MS has EVER BEEN.
No, what you just wrote was the same bullshit nonsense that got us involved in iraq. You did not state any fact. You fear mongered. Congrats... you are your very own argument.
I'm an apologist for Microsoft. I'm a "You're all full of shit, now be FAIR to microsoft"...
Everyone one of you zealots loves to hate Microsoft for selfishly unfair reasons, usually formed by a religious holy war of Linux vs Microsoft.
You'd rather see Microsoft die, than see them provide good software. Admit it finally, once and for all!
I personally dislike Microsoft for many reasons... but a lot of the complains I have could be solved by letting them actually make software that isnt gimped because they're scared of anti trust US/EU lawsuits.
Apple has no such fear. They go balls to the wall, do it all.... and you fucking hypocrites let them.
The time is now to simply allow MS to play Apple's game... or force APPLE to comply with the same bullshit you force on Microsoft.
That way we can all pretend that Linux will win the desktop market because we've squashed them both. sigh.
I'm for open standards absolutely... but lets be fucking real.
AMD does beat intel on the price curve... but not in performance. If you want the performance.. AMD has no answer for intel's cpus. I recently built a system for someone and looked at all of the cpu options. Ultimately I went with an AMD cpu for him because of his price range....
Like you said, AMD beats intel on the price... but not on the performance. If you want performance, you have to pay intels prices.
Thats why they cost more. The cpu's intel have put out these past 3 years are incredible. For a good time it looked like AMD had intel beat, but Intel really stepped up.. so much that it virtually squashed all of the good will AMD had earned with Athlon
AMD's still in the game because of their prices. They're good cpus, but intel's performance is still better.
As i've been ranting about for a while now... It's time to either let Microsoft run its business in the same manner Apple does... or force Apple to deal with the same nonsense all of you impose on Microsoft.
When will we end the hypocrisy? Leave Microsoft alone, and go after the real evil... Apple.
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So you and I agree, they're cowards.
Good.
Stop. Its just silly. I understand your point but instead of addressing the topic, you want to proclaim me as a racist. Because as we know, racists are all wrong, and the easiest thing to do in an argument is not discuss the issue, but find a way to call someone a racist.
If someone says the government is corrupt, they obviously do not mean everyone in the government.
Islam is a religion of hate. That general enough for you? :)
All religions are worthless fairy tales.
Well by that definition the, Verizon could block offensive words on their telephone, or on the internet all together...
But you dont want that do you?
See the problem?
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. If its as you say it is (which i understand is true for the most part)... its still wrong. The goal was always freedom. We may not have it entirely... but its still the fucking goal.
None of them give a shit. Slavery was always the goal. We outlawed it in the US.. but not overseas.
The US Workers who demanded a modest life style, home and health care... were sold out by those companies who would rather employ slaves, then Americans because its more profitable and slaves are easy to abuse.
Nuff said.
When you outsource to foreign lands that force workers to sleep on the assembly lines, and in the factories... for 65 cents an hour, you're supporting slavery. (This is the common work condition of chinese labor)
I'm sorry. Apple wanted to cheat the economic system by not hiring Americans, because we have lives and high expenses due to the cost of living in America. Why pay Americans who only want to work and have a home and healthcare, when you can hire Chinese slaves who are easily replaced no matter how many of them commit suicide.
Fuck every corporation that sold America out.
You might be right. :) Case dismissed :P
What crap are they putting up with?
Seriously?
Are you talking about foreign policy? or socially?
It's no secret that historically that part of the world has dealt with a lot of political bs. We get that. But it has nothing to do with altering our ideas of freedom of expression and censoring our culture.
And you would be an intelligent well educated individual to know that obviously I'm NOT speaking about every Muslim. But you instead proclaim its intelligent to point that out at every turn?
I mean I thought intelligent people already knew all Muslims weren't bad. Do we have to have this politically correct disclaimer every time we speak? Dont we all know this by now?
"This Broccoli taste like shit... but not all broccoli is bad..."
Fuck this PC shit. I'm a progressive independent politically, and I'm even tired of it. Its just fucking dumb to end every god damn statement with a fucking disclaimer.
Arent we smart enough to know that there are no absolutes?
But you go right on pointing it out at every opportunity. Use that to win your arguments. Hell point it out so i dont have to point it out every fucking time.
I dont know what the fuck you just said, but its nonsense.
A) I'm not a republican.
B) I'm a fucking atheist!
C) I'm a progressive independent that probably gives a fuck load more about humanity than you do. The difference is, I have thought about "Their" point of view.. and their point of view is fucking counter progressive, and counter independence. There is NO FUCKING WAY I will ever support the idea of "giving in" to their muslim wishes, if it means revoking an individuals right to criticize them.
So whatever else you wrote? I'm not reading it. It may be brilliant, it may not. But your first few sentences were dead wrong and typical.
nice try.
So you're saying that you would call me an intelligent, well educated individual if I just gave up my rights and bowed down to Muhammad?
Well.. I'll a be an uneducated redneck twat then.
But I'm not... I'm an American who understands free thought, freedom of expression, and the great American tradition of simply saying "Go fuck yourself".
We understand the other point of view. The point is in a free society, you do not have the right to not be offended.
so, the other point of view does not matter.
Every fairy tale god has taken its share of criticism, and ridicule throught out history, and in our so called free society, we are supposed to value the idea of freedom of expression.
Instead here we are selling out our constitution, our struggle from historical oppression of thought and ideas.... only to find ourselves giving all of it away to make Muslims happy? Fuck them and their selfishness. We make fun of Jesus Christ every fucking day here in America, in music, arts etc. We also praise him every day in music and arts... and the same for Muhammad. If they dont like it... They can stay out of our way of life. They can STOP watching and listening to our are. And they can stay the fuck off our websites.
Its all nice to "think of their side of things"... but their side of things beats women, forces them to wear burkas, and kills anyone who questions their god. WE already thought about their side of things... and it's fucking stupid.
Here we are giving in to it?
Fuck us. We're pathetic cowards.
Exactly.
We just became a little more Islamic fundamentalist by giving into their way of life, rather than standing up for freedom.
Facebook, you suck.
I'm so tired of people bending over for Muslims and their way of life. Muslims will NEVER give us an inch, so we we give up our freedom? What a shit deal.
As an animator and a fan of comedy... You're correct.
We dont laugh at Wile E Coyote because we enjoy his suffering. We laugh at it because we know its not real. I always find it interesting that some people can enjoy racial humor, and not be racist. Its completely possible to separate yourself from reality in humor. Humor is based on truth and exaggeration.
We've all heard a great Christopher Reeve joke in our life time... and we probably laughed. That does not mean that we honestly take pleasure in his suffering. There is more to a joke than meets the eye. Riddles can be fun because they can rhyme. Its the writing technique and style mixed with the content that makes it interesting. In a joke the same can be true. Its often the construct that is funny, and the content is secondary, although extremely important. But the construct is what makes a joke work. Thats why some people cant tell a good joke. They have no timing, or they simply fuck up someone else's great line.
Back to content. Most comedians do not like to hurt the weak. Most comedians know that if there is someone in a wheelchair in the audience, they're probably their to find some happiness in life. It's rare that a comic will just start telling Christoper Reeve jokes or single out the person in a wheel chair to insult them. A comic would generally feel terrible doing that. But on the next night, when theres no wheel chair riding audience members, they'll let the cripple jokes fly!
I dont think people like humor because of some kind of superiority complex. I think it may be part of it, but you forgot the important part, that many people do have hearts... and do not want to insult someone they feel empathy for.
That doesnt mean we cant laugh at offensive material... It just means while we laugh, many of us have a heart that is grounded... and when not enjoying the horribleness of humor... we do care.
Carlin did. Pryor did... and they both told Nigger jokes.... and they both united generations of all kinds of people.
Listen to Bill Hicks...
The best of comics have a bit of soul to them.
Willie E Coyote, we laughed at for sure... but many people identified with his endless attempts at success... and his constant failure. Thats why it was funny. We've all been there... and laughing at ourselves is what humans do best... even if its about the most horrible of subject matters. Its our gift, we can reflect on ourselves.
Sure we often fail to build that "Star Trek Utopia"... but at least deep down we all know whats wrong with the world. So might as well laugh at it
Well for one, for all of our problems as a country, we can handle a few jokes and some porn without blowing up a building.
I'm not going to defend the US. We do plenty of fucked up shit, bad stuff... mostly to our people...
But thats a much wider topic that is beyond the scope of Muslims murdering/threatening people over portrayals of Muhammad that they find offensive.
I mean if you're going to go into humanities faults, we're going to be here for a long fucking time talking about this.
The issue is more inline with woman's rights. If Muslims dont want women to be equal.. well fuck them and their women... But dont for a second expect American or Euro women to take a beating and wear a burka because Muslins want it that way.
I have no problem with muslims walling up their world and staying primatives... if thats how they want to live. But Fuck them if they want to impose their shit on our people, such as the South Park creators or other free thinking artists/authors around the world for example Salim Rushdee.
All religion sucks period. This is just one of those stupid human behavioral side effects religious arrogance.
Oh Mohammed... Camels love you too.
Lets get some more Camel Cock for Mohammed! Shove it deep in his mouth and fuck that Islamic face hole deep and hard...
Oh shut up. Thats liberal nonsense.. and believe me.. I'm a liberal.
You're not dealing with reality.
In American culture we criticism Christians and Jesus all the time. We've been doing it for decades in the arts. Ever hear of a great man named George Carlin?
I mean what fucking planet do you live on? Are you an American? Do you even fucking know our culture? South Park which was recently threatened with death by Muslims (Terrorists) over a Muhammad cartoon. South Park only exists as a TV show because they originally made an underground animation that depicted Jesus fighting Santa Claus, and ridiculed "Kyle" for being Jewish... and "Cartman" for being fat.
Hell we have a LONG history of mocking things in criticism, because we have a history of free expression. If Muslims cant deal with that... then in great American fashion, I will speak for America and say "Go Fuck Yourself"
Sinead O'Conner. Look her up.
Jesus FUCKING CHRIST... I hate people who stand up for fucking the muslims who have no tolerance of others. Why are you so willing to give up your beleifs for theirs? They will NEVER meet you half way, so you give them exactly what they want? You fucking coward.
Stand up for OUR ideals... .not their ass backwards intolerant ways.
We may be intolerant and not perfect in our own ways.. but it is an evolution of OUR culture.... which is light years a head of theirs, especially when you realize how slow we as a culture were able to evolve ourselves. What we're seeing is how far they are behind and their intolerance is not our fucking problem.
They just say that so that when they kill you, they have an excuse to continue to infect our planet and culture.
Fuck these 3rd world nomadic assholes.
I'd love to take an image of Muhammad, piss on it in front of them and say "welcome to America fucko"
I'm tired of bending over for them. Bend over for us.. and take the giant freedom dick in your ass Muslims.
Everyone takes a turn in the barrel... EVERYONE.. even your precious fictional holy asshole.
Exactly. Fuck Muhammad dead in his ass. Religion is dumb.
I'm tired of these fucking muslim babies who cant take a joke, or criticism. Go fuck yourself. Enough.
We bend over backwards for these clowns, because we're afraid they'll blow up a building. I'm sorry but, we should not bend over backwards these people.
Either they join us in modern society, or they can keep themselves out of it. Just dont expect us to give a damn.
See now that is an honest answer. I admire that. I agree.. lets hate them both so that we get what we want out of them... but one day we have to admit "this stuff is pretty good". If it warrants it of course.
Apple right now is far more controlling than MS has EVER BEEN.
No, what you just wrote was the same bullshit nonsense that got us involved in iraq. You did not state any fact. You fear mongered. Congrats... you are your very own argument.
I'm an apologist for Microsoft. I'm a "You're all full of shit, now be FAIR to microsoft"...
Everyone one of you zealots loves to hate Microsoft for selfishly unfair reasons, usually formed by a religious holy war of Linux vs Microsoft.
You'd rather see Microsoft die, than see them provide good software. Admit it finally, once and for all!
I personally dislike Microsoft for many reasons... but a lot of the complains I have could be solved by letting them actually make software that isnt gimped because they're scared of anti trust US/EU lawsuits.
Apple has no such fear. They go balls to the wall, do it all.... and you fucking hypocrites let them.
The time is now to simply allow MS to play Apple's game... or force APPLE to comply with the same bullshit you force on Microsoft.
That way we can all pretend that Linux will win the desktop market because we've squashed them both. sigh.
I'm for open standards absolutely... but lets be fucking real.
AMD does beat intel on the price curve... but not in performance. If you want the performance.. AMD has no answer for intel's cpus. I recently built a system for someone and looked at all of the cpu options. Ultimately I went with an AMD cpu for him because of his price range....
Like you said, AMD beats intel on the price... but not on the performance. If you want performance, you have to pay intels prices.
Thats why they cost more. The cpu's intel have put out these past 3 years are incredible. For a good time it looked like AMD had intel beat, but Intel really stepped up.. so much that it virtually squashed all of the good will AMD had earned with Athlon
AMD's still in the game because of their prices. They're good cpus, but intel's performance is still better.
As i've been ranting about for a while now... It's time to either let Microsoft run its business in the same manner Apple does... or force Apple to deal with the same nonsense all of you impose on Microsoft.
When will we end the hypocrisy? Leave Microsoft alone, and go after the real evil... Apple.
so we're using the handicapped now to bad mouth adobe?
Really most of computing is not very handicap accessible once you start using applications other than an OS.