Exactly. The start menu became with Windows 7. The intended workflow is to pin your apps to the taskbar. I rarely go into the start screen on windows 8 not because its bad, but because Its not needed every time you want to launch a program. Its not even needed for ANY desktop function. In reality the start screen serves as a full screen fancy application launcher and a tablet ui for apps and it does both very well.
I rarely ever see the start screen, unless I want to see it.
Microsoft has done an amazing job with windows 8. Its faster than windows 7 in every way. I cant be bothered with the problems of people refusing to progress forward because things are different (NOT WORSE... just different) and in many ways they're writing off an OS that is superior than windows 7 in every way technically, because they cant learn a new ui. Boo hoo.
Do we really need to bitch and moan because theres no button labeled "start" anymore? Are users that fucking dumb?
Perhaps its just Apple policy to make shitty slow software for windows, but Itunes 11 fucking blows performance wise. Feature wise its of course still the best.:(
I respect that you think windows 8 seems to do nothing better than windows 7 on a desktop but I really hope you give windows 8 a try because it actually does improve the desktop experience in many ways.
There is a new right click menu called the "advanced menu" Basically you right click the start button corner and a menu pops up with options to go straight to add/remove programs, control panel, command prompt, command prompt(admin rights), disk management, event viewer and much more. It allows you to get to those more advanced functions that are kind of buried in previous windows versions. Now you can get to them very fast with less clicks and less windows.
The new task manager is really good.
The new file explorer and the ability to pause and prioritize copy processes is really nice. Dual monitor support has improved, and the new search functions in windows 8 are extremely good and extensive. You can search everything and anything from your computer, to netflix to ebay, to amazon... Its pretty cool.
The new metro/modern ui is well blended with the desktop, and the lack of the old start menu is a good thing as it was redundant. Please read my more detailed post above but I really suggest you keep an open mind about windows 8 because there actually are benefits to using it, and what seems new and odd... is actually not that scary and very well executed. It just takes an open mind to really give it a fair shot.
I agree with the OP. Windows 8 is actually very nice. What new features other than metro/modern ui? Well this may seem small, but i find it really useful. The new advanced menu, which you right click where the start menu corner is and it opens up a menu to go right to add/remove programs, disk management, event viewer, command prompt, command prompt (admin rights), run, task manager, device manager, system manager, search and more.
I find this very useful and it makes windows more enjoyable. If you also have win7 computers like I do, you will actually miss this menu in windows 7. Its that useful.
I find the new file explorer to be better, and the new copy process with the ability to pause and prioritize them is very nice. The new task manager is excellent. It now shows you what programs effect your start up performance and allows you to disable/enable tthem in the start menu rather than through the old msconfig ui. The resource usage info is much better in the task manager.
I REALLY like that the start menu is gone. It was redundant, and very slow to use. I never used to go to start menu to click "my documents" Why bother? I always Win+E to open the file explorer or launch it right off the taskbar icon to go to any folder I need. The start menu was just another icon on the taskbar that did not offer much functionality really.
Windows 8 forces you to get into the habit of pinning your most used applications to the taskbar. This is great. Its about time. And if you need to access other applications you can group and organize them really nicely on the new start menu. I find that people dont realize you can do this very easily.
I really like how fluid windows 8 is. The gui is so smooth. Its actually really nice how it pops in and out of full screen metro apps. If click the top left corner it toggles through all metro apps open including your desktop. If you quickly drag from the top left corner you can split screen your desktop with the metro app, then double click the divider line to toggle which has teh larger portion of the screen. If the desktop has the smaller portion, it then iconifies your oppened desktop windows on your desktop so that if you want to go right to one of them, you click on it specifically and it jumps right to it. This is hard to explain in text, but I promise you, it is very nice and very fluid. You can really see that MS was trying to make this work really well and it does. Its impressive because not only is it smooth, it actually does blend the full desktop os we're used to and touch based tablet apps we're used to on ipads etc. MS just needs to improve its store, and give app developers some time, but ultimately I think MS has successfully provided a seamless environment that delivers a full workstation OS with full screen tablet like app functionality when you want it and you can run the same os on tablets as you do your workstation. Some people feel its disjointed, but I really think they dont undrestand how to navigate windows 8 properly because MS does not do a good job of explaining how you're supposed to do it (unless you read the docs) and lets face it most dont.
I think the metro/modern ui is a good step, and it does not in anyway take away from the desktop because if you use windows 8 as it is designed, you're not jumping into the start menu very often. You're either in the desktop, or if you specifically need to be in the start menu for example if you're using a metro app, or using the extensive search features which i will talk about in a second. Most of the time, you're just not using the new start menu. You're using icons on your desktop taskbar, and the file explorer, and the new right click advanced menu. The start menu becomes this new modern ui that integrates very well into the desktop ui for touch devices, or at the very least a very pretty well organized start menu for icons you dont use as often (if you dont use modern ui apps)
The new search features are incredible because it searches EVERYTHING. Want to search netflix for that m
It really is sad to see so called tech junkies be so dogmatic. Scientific minds should not be so "made up". I find it sad that so many people are so closed minded with hatred for product X from company Y just because.
You fail to be impressed because like you said, everyone else does it. The sad part is people only pick on Microsoft when they chose to do it. Its unfair, its ignorant and its typical of Microsoft haters.
There is plenty to criticize all around the technology industry, but Microsoft gets unfairly smashed for everything, even when they do things right. Its a no win scenario for them. Some people just dont want to see Microsoft be successful.
Ipads do not work better than a deskop. No one would ever come to that idea.
Linux isnt really an alternative without applications. OSX is more of an alternative, and again no one is saying "Boy, my ipad is better than my osx desktop os"
Windows 8 is basically windows 7 with some improvements and a different start menu. (which i like)
If you give fair minded people time to understand windows 8, and show them intended workflow/navigation changes and how it benefits windows, rather than hurts it... I think people will at least agree that Windows 8 makes sense and the ideas are better idea in every way. Where people might have issue is in how complete that experience is at this point. That is a fair comment. But to say Windows 8 is vista 2.0 is unjustified nonsense.
Windows 8 adds the "advanced menu" which is basically right click on the start button location, it has the ability to open command prompt, go to disk mangement and other admin tasks. Its a fast way into control panel and other settings.
You can also shift right click any folder/drive in windows explorer to open a command prompt from that folder.
Actually, I bought in at $15:) MS upgrade deal for Windows 8 allowed people to buy in at a very cheap price.
There is even a way to get windows 8 for free now. MS knows what they're doing. They're offering their OS at various prices, even with intentional loop holes to entice pirates to buy in for cheap. MS is doing what people have been suggesting for years, which is provide a lower price, and people will buy legal versions and others will upgrade more frequently.
We cant shit on MS now for doing what we've all hoped they would do for years now.
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Exactly. The start menu became with Windows 7. The intended workflow is to pin your apps to the taskbar. I rarely go into the start screen on windows 8 not because its bad, but because Its not needed every time you want to launch a program. Its not even needed for ANY desktop function. In reality the start screen serves as a full screen fancy application launcher and a tablet ui for apps and it does both very well.
I rarely ever see the start screen, unless I want to see it.
Microsoft has done an amazing job with windows 8. Its faster than windows 7 in every way. I cant be bothered with the problems of people refusing to progress forward because things are different (NOT WORSE... just different) and in many ways they're writing off an OS that is superior than windows 7 in every way technically, because they cant learn a new ui. Boo hoo.
Do we really need to bitch and moan because theres no button labeled "start" anymore? Are users that fucking dumb?
Windows 8 is a more efficient windows 7. Boo fucking hoo, you cant figure out that the new start screen. Aww poor fucking baby.
Itunes 11 on the other hand is a slow pile of shit that can barely scroll through a song list.
Itunes 11 runs like shit on windows...
Perhaps its just Apple policy to make shitty slow software for windows, but Itunes 11 fucking blows performance wise. Feature wise its of course still the best. :(
And MSE doesnt bog down your system. MSE is a fine program.
I am a power user.
Thats why its actually better to navigate in windows 8.
Have you tried the new advanced menu? (right click start button corner)
I respect that you think windows 8 seems to do nothing better than windows 7 on a desktop but I really hope you give windows 8 a try because it actually does improve the desktop experience in many ways.
There is a new right click menu called the "advanced menu" Basically you right click the start button corner and a menu pops up with options to go straight to add/remove programs, control panel, command prompt, command prompt(admin rights), disk management, event viewer and much more. It allows you to get to those more advanced functions that are kind of buried in previous windows versions. Now you can get to them very fast with less clicks and less windows.
The new task manager is really good.
The new file explorer and the ability to pause and prioritize copy processes is really nice. Dual monitor support has improved, and the new search functions in windows 8 are extremely good and extensive. You can search everything and anything from your computer, to netflix to ebay, to amazon... Its pretty cool.
The new metro/modern ui is well blended with the desktop, and the lack of the old start menu is a good thing as it was redundant. Please read my more detailed post above but I really suggest you keep an open mind about windows 8 because there actually are benefits to using it, and what seems new and odd... is actually not that scary and very well executed. It just takes an open mind to really give it a fair shot.
I agree with the OP. Windows 8 is actually very nice. What new features other than metro/modern ui? Well this may seem small, but i find it really useful. The new advanced menu, which you right click where the start menu corner is and it opens up a menu to go right to add/remove programs, disk management, event viewer, command prompt, command prompt (admin rights), run, task manager, device manager, system manager, search and more.
I find this very useful and it makes windows more enjoyable. If you also have win7 computers like I do, you will actually miss this menu in windows 7. Its that useful.
I find the new file explorer to be better, and the new copy process with the ability to pause and prioritize them is very nice. The new task manager is excellent. It now shows you what programs effect your start up performance and allows you to disable/enable tthem in the start menu rather than through the old msconfig ui. The resource usage info is much better in the task manager.
I REALLY like that the start menu is gone. It was redundant, and very slow to use. I never used to go to start menu to click "my documents" Why bother? I always Win+E to open the file explorer or launch it right off the taskbar icon to go to any folder I need. The start menu was just another icon on the taskbar that did not offer much functionality really.
Windows 8 forces you to get into the habit of pinning your most used applications to the taskbar. This is great. Its about time. And if you need to access other applications you can group and organize them really nicely on the new start menu. I find that people dont realize you can do this very easily.
I really like how fluid windows 8 is. The gui is so smooth. Its actually really nice how it pops in and out of full screen metro apps. If click the top left corner it toggles through all metro apps open including your desktop. If you quickly drag from the top left corner you can split screen your desktop with the metro app, then double click the divider line to toggle which has teh larger portion of the screen. If the desktop has the smaller portion, it then iconifies your oppened desktop windows on your desktop so that if you want to go right to one of them, you click on it specifically and it jumps right to it. This is hard to explain in text, but I promise you, it is very nice and very fluid. You can really see that MS was trying to make this work really well and it does. Its impressive because not only is it smooth, it actually does blend the full desktop os we're used to and touch based tablet apps we're used to on ipads etc. MS just needs to improve its store, and give app developers some time, but ultimately I think MS has successfully provided a seamless environment that delivers a full workstation OS with full screen tablet like app functionality when you want it and you can run the same os on tablets as you do your workstation. Some people feel its disjointed, but I really think they dont undrestand how to navigate windows 8 properly because MS does not do a good job of explaining how you're supposed to do it (unless you read the docs) and lets face it most dont.
I think the metro/modern ui is a good step, and it does not in anyway take away from the desktop because if you use windows 8 as it is designed, you're not jumping into the start menu very often. You're either in the desktop, or if you specifically need to be in the start menu for example if you're using a metro app, or using the extensive search features which i will talk about in a second. Most of the time, you're just not using the new start menu. You're using icons on your desktop taskbar, and the file explorer, and the new right click advanced menu. The start menu becomes this new modern ui that integrates very well into the desktop ui for touch devices, or at the very least a very pretty well organized start menu for icons you dont use as often (if you dont use modern ui apps)
The new search features are incredible because it searches EVERYTHING. Want to search netflix for that m
Windows 8 isnt impossible to navigate, its actually easier.
IE10 is actually faster than chrome and firefox
nonsense
You cant cook a thanksgiving turkey in the toaster :)
I suspect you and many others wouldnt give Ballmer credit even if he deserved it.
It really is sad to see so called tech junkies be so dogmatic. Scientific minds should not be so "made up". I find it sad that so many people are so closed minded with hatred for product X from company Y just because.
Windows 8 isnt a flop. Its better than windows 7 in every way, and it has sold more copies than windows 7 in the same amount of time.
You fail to be impressed because like you said, everyone else does it. The sad part is people only pick on Microsoft when they chose to do it. Its unfair, its ignorant and its typical of Microsoft haters.
There is plenty to criticize all around the technology industry, but Microsoft gets unfairly smashed for everything, even when they do things right. Its a no win scenario for them. Some people just dont want to see Microsoft be successful.
Linux has no applications. Linux is not a viable alternative to Windows or OSX
Ipads do not work better than a deskop. No one would ever come to that idea.
Linux isnt really an alternative without applications. OSX is more of an alternative, and again no one is saying "Boy, my ipad is better than my osx desktop os"
No one says "my toaster sure beats my oven"
To say windows 8 is vista 2.0 is ridiculous.
Windows 8 is basically windows 7 with some improvements and a different start menu. (which i like)
If you give fair minded people time to understand windows 8, and show them intended workflow/navigation changes and how it benefits windows, rather than hurts it... I think people will at least agree that Windows 8 makes sense and the ideas are better idea in every way. Where people might have issue is in how complete that experience is at this point. That is a fair comment. But to say Windows 8 is vista 2.0 is unjustified nonsense.
Windows 7 certainly did not blow and windows 8 is an improved windows 7 in every way
Windows 8 adds the "advanced menu" which is basically right click on the start button location, it has the ability to open command prompt, go to disk mangement and other admin tasks. Its a fast way into control panel and other settings.
You can also shift right click any folder/drive in windows explorer to open a command prompt from that folder.
No. Service packs generally do not include new major features
This is just FUD being spread around. Windows 8 is better than windows 7, and 7 was highly praised.
So if your cpu faults, linux keeps running? Damn thats amazing technology.
People run windows 24-7 365 days a year without a problem.
IE10 is awesome though
Actually, I bought in at $15 :) MS upgrade deal for Windows 8 allowed people to buy in at a very cheap price.
There is even a way to get windows 8 for free now. MS knows what they're doing. They're offering their OS at various prices, even with intentional loop holes to entice pirates to buy in for cheap. MS is doing what people have been suggesting for years, which is provide a lower price, and people will buy legal versions and others will upgrade more frequently.
We cant shit on MS now for doing what we've all hoped they would do for years now.