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Apple Declutters, Speeds Up iTunes With Major Upgrade

Hugh Pickens writes writes "The Washington Post reports that Apple has finally unveiled their new version of iTunes, overhauling its look and feel and integrating it more closely with the company's iCloud Internet- storage service with one of the biggest upgrades Apple has made to the program with 400 million potential users since its debut more than a decade ago. The new design of iTunes moves away from the spreadsheet format that Apple has featured since its debut and adds more art and information about musicians, movies and television shows. It also adds recommendation features so users can find new material. According to David Pogue of the NY Times Apple has fixed some of the dumber design elements that have always plagued iTunes. 'For years, the store was represented only as one item in the left-side list, lost among less important entries like Radio and Podcasts. Now a single button in the upper-right corner switches between iTunes's two personalities: Store (meaning Apple's stuff) and Library (meaning your stuff).' Unfortunately, Apple hasn't fixed the Search box. As before, you can't specify in advance what you're looking for: an app, a song, a TV show, a book. Whatever you type into the Search box finds everything that matches, and you can't filter it until after you search. It feels like a two-step process when one should do. 'Improvements in visual navigation and a more logical arrangement of tools are good, but for me the biggest positive within iTunes 11 remains its vastly improved performance on all three Macs I've tested it on, including a relatively ancient five-year-old MacBook,' writes Jonny Evans."

295 comments

  1. Bazzer by aedan · · Score: 0

    Still seems to play the wife's Manilow I'm afraid.

  2. To much selling me shit. by Seumas · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The interface spends too much time trying to sell me shit. I just want to play my music and podcasts.

    1. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Huh? Can't really see your point: There is just that one button to the iTunes Store and a link if you right-click an album. And if you don't like that, you can disable it in the parental settings.

    2. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The interface doesn't spend any time trying to sell you shit. You could easily play your music and podcasts without ever going near the store in any way. Don't let that get in the way of your irrational Apple hate though - this is Slashdot News for 1st Level Helpdesk these days after all.

    3. Re:To much selling me shit. by StripedCow · · Score: 0, Troll

      Indeed. Way too much visual clutter.
      This might just as well have been a microsoft product.

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    4. Re:To much selling me shit. by Nyder · · Score: 3, Informative

      The interface spends too much time trying to sell me shit. I just want to play my music and podcasts.

      I use Winamp with the iPod plug in. Probably doesn't work for ya if you use stream via iTunes, but I have never bought any music via them, so I don't care.

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    5. Re:To much selling me shit. by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article is also in error. They found shortly after release that you could limit the scope of the search field to the selected library, a wildcard match within that library category, or a title match within that category under your library. I suspect this information is a few days too stale. You just select the dropdown in the search box, and deselect the 'Search Entire Library' option.

    6. Re:To much selling me shit. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Does that work with the new iPods and iPhones? Because frankly I'm tired of dealing with customers that have a buggy iTunes, I swear iTunes on Windows is probably the most buggy thing I've had to deal with in awhile, so if there is something I could give them and say "If it gets buggy again use this instead" that would be quite helpful.

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    7. Re:To much selling me shit. by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I would love to have winamp back. now if they supported something other than windows.

      I hate itunes. I firmly believe it should be three pieces(media player, Media Store and Media Sync). but I have yet find another music player on the mac that actually works.

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    8. Re:To much selling me shit. by pr0nbot · · Score: 2

      Incidentally, if it keeps prompting you for a password that you keep cancelling, the answer is apparently to delete all stored web content... in Safari. (It worked for me.) Whether or not it is good that other applications apparently have unrestricted access to your Safari cookies is left as an exercise for the reader.

    9. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use Google Music. I haven't touched iTunes since I uploaded all my music to it, and despite being cloud based it's much faster than iTunes (or at least the Windows versions I've used). You'll then also have your library anywhere you have a web connection, which is really nice, for instance, at work.

      iTunes was the last thing holding me to Windows since I had thousands of songs with star ratings and couldn't find any good Linux applications that used that meta information. Google Music actually reads it and translates it on the fly to a thumbs up / thumbs down, or if you enable a lab, a 5-star system just like iTunes.

    10. Re:To much selling me shit. by dhaines · · Score: 2

      Yeah, listening to both music and podcasts this morning, the interface isn't trying to sell me anything at all.

      Maybe someone got confused by the iToonz Extreme Premium Platinum free trial on their BigBox box.

    11. Re:To much selling me shit. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      are you looking at the same iTunes 11 I am? in music mode, it just shows me a player on the top bar with simple controls(Previous track, play, next track), a volume slider and search.

      Then a mode sensitive bar where I can switch between various types of media, different categories in those types of media, and any devices connected. Then a simple interface for picking items from that category.

      Compare that to the default WinAmp install which is kind of a bloody mess.

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    12. Re:To much selling me shit. by JimR · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then go to the Parental Controls Preferences and disable the iTunes Store.

      Wasn't too hard, was it?

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    13. Re:To much selling me shit. by ruiner13 · · Score: 0

      You can completely disable the iTunes store under the parental controls section if it bothers you that much.

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    14. Re:To much selling me shit. by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Generally for third party software (WinAmp, CopyTransmanager) to be able to sync to iPhone and iPod Touch (and I assume iPad), it requires Apple drivers, which are installed when you install iTunes (along with a bLoat load of background services). Supposedly you can separate the installer into components, and just install the drivers, but I haven't had luck with that. Copytrans Drivers installer will automate the process http://download.cnet.com/CopyTrans-Drivers-Installer/3000-18546_4-75300288.html

      CopyTransManager http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php is simple drag and drop for music and videos

      i-funbox will let you drag and drop files for apps that support it (Downlite, FileApp, etc) http://i-funbox.en.softonic.com/
      Here's a lifehacker article that mentions a couple alternatives: http://lifehacker.com/5914638/the-best-desktop-file-explorer-for-iphone

      I can't believe how terrible iTunes for Windows has always been. When I bought my iPod Touch 4g, I finally reached the cold day in hell where I intentionally installed iTunes on my computer (only to activate, and upgrade the iOS version)

    15. Re:To much selling me shit. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      music mode

      That's the problem, the UI is so cluttered the user is forced to switch modes just to clear it up.

      I'm with the GP. I just want my music presented in multiple lists so I can find what I want quickly, and basic playback controls.

      If I want the music on my phone I can just copy the files with a right click or explorer, or just use Google Music. If I want apps there is an app store on my phone and a web site. If I want radio there are web sites. If I want to buy music there is Amazon and a million others offering DRM free platform neutral MP3s. If I want movies the only option at the moment is to buy the disc and rip, then copy the files to my phone. I don't need a massively bloated app for all that.

      And make no mistake, iTunes for Windows is still bloated as hell. Arguably it is for Mac as well, except that like old versions of Internet Explorer half of it is tightly integrated into the OS.

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    16. Re:To much selling me shit. by noh8rz7 · · Score: 0

      actually, the GP is correct - itunes purchases are integrated throughout the program.
       
      in album view, click an album to pull down the page to show the album tracks. in the top corner of the pull down box there's a "in the store" button that allows you to buy related tracks. By every song there's a new ">" icon which is the left-click of 2012. click it, and there's an option "show in itunes store".
       
      there's definitely a lot of integration but imho it's not obtrusive so I dont think it's trying to "sell shit".

    17. Re:To much selling me shit. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      That's the problem, the UI is so cluttered the user is forced to switch modes just to clear it up.

      It doesn't sense to present the iTunes store and whatever devices you're managing right alongside the music playback controls. It's unlikely a user will want to be working with the two separate tasks at the same exact time. Presenting all the information at once just wastes space and confuses the user.

      I just want my music presented in multiple lists so I can find what I want quickly, and basic playback controls.

      So don't click the button to switch to iTunes store, but some other people may want to be able to buy new music in the same place they play it back.

    18. Re:To much selling me shit. by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What the fuck are you on? How is it so tightly integrated like IE? Does another music player not work if you delete iTunes? Does deleting iTunes causes your computer not to run, can't install updates and any number of OS essential tasks to stop working?

      Jesus, so you don't like it, but do you have to throw in all the lies as well?

    19. Re:To much selling me shit. by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      You're an Android fanboy. No matter what Apple did with iTunes you'd complain. Therefore your complaints are worthless.

    20. Re:To much selling me shit. by damnbunni · · Score: 1

      Try Vox. It just plays music.

      That's it. It doesn't manage your library, brush your toes, or gargle whiskey. It just plays files.

    21. Re:To much selling me shit. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, I certainly wouldn't complain if they, say, made the device act as a USB drive so I could just copy the damn files or use whatever media player/manager I wanted to. But fanboys always try to dismiss everyone else as fanboys first, like a kind of pre-emptive strike.

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    22. Re:To much selling me shit. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Quicktime is a core part of the OS. The iTunes library is accessed by other software, both from Apple and 3rd parties. It is about as well integrated as IE was, in that you can remove it but doing so will break things.

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    23. Re:To much selling me shit. by matthiasvegh · · Score: 1

      Google Music is a serious contester I'll grant you, but because iTunes' only realistic lossless support is ALAC, which Google music for some reason doesn't support (even though there are FOSS decoders for it), I can't yet make the transition. I do hope ALAC support will be introduced down the line though.

    24. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That'd be a critique of the device, not iTunes.

    25. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing you haven't actually tried doing what you are talking about.

    26. Re:To much selling me shit. by smisle · · Score: 1

      really, that;s nothing new. iTunes has always been about selling you things.

      Honestly though, it's never made sense to me why they would try to sell me copies of songs/albums that I already own.

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    27. Re:To much selling me shit. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      A million times this, play songs and get the fuck out of the way.

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    28. Re:To much selling me shit. by spire3661 · · Score: 0

      In case you havent noticed, there are store links all the way down the the individual song level, on stuff you already own. the entire music player is infested with 'buy now'. I love e-commerce, but im sick of advertising in EVERYTHING.

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    29. Re:To much selling me shit. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      There is no difference except in your head.

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    30. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is Slashdot News for 1st Level Helpdesk these days after all.

      And of course you're here reading and commenting.

    31. Re:To much selling me shit. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      There is no difference except in your head.

      So, I can blame failings of the laptop I'm using on Linux?

      Sweet. Wifi doesn't work properly, so it's Linux's fault.

    32. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use an iPod ripper. Just like the early days where you need a CD ripper, then a DVD ripper. Now you need an iPod ripper. Just download it but I don't think you have an iPod, just complaining about it.

    33. Re:To much selling me shit. by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      A million times this, play songs and get the fuck out of the way.

      Preferences > Parental > Disable iTunes Store (check box), (click ok).

      Wasn't so hard, was it?

    34. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quicktime isn't iTunes. Direct Show is tightly integrated with Windows too, I wouldn't expect things would go well if you somehow excised it from the OS.

    35. Re:To much selling me shit. by Cinder6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess most people haven't noticed, because nobody else has said anything about it. The link you describe are so far to the right of the song listings that there's no chance of accidentally clicking it. I actually had to open it up to see if you were right, and I've used it every day since Thursday. Furthermore, I actually like it! It's a really quick way to see more songs by an artist, without having to leave your library.

      Regardless of what you think about it, it's only two links on the screen at any given time. As for "buy now" on everything in the store, well...it's a store. What do you expect?

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    36. Re:To much selling me shit. by De+Lemming · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, that's not what they are talking about. This is about searching in the iTunes store: there is still no way to indicate you are searching for an app, a song or a TV series, and you get all of them in the search results. When in the iTunes store, the search field has no drop down.

      And the drop down in the search field when browsing your library was already there in iTunes 10, with the All / Artist / Album / Composer / Song options. They just added the "Search Entire Library" option now.

    37. Re:To much selling me shit. by hazem · · Score: 1

      it's never made sense to me why they would try to sell me copies of songs/albums that I already own

      Probably because they know the hard truth that most people don't actually own (as in, have paid for) the mp3s they have in their libraries. As they get older, they might want and be willing to pay for the whole album (or better quality copies). And if the store works at all in a decent way, it will have a good recommender system for "stuff you might like".

    38. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wifi doesn't work properly, so it's Linux's fault.

      It probably is.

    39. Re:To much selling me shit. by icebike · · Score: 1

      I can't believe how terrible iTunes for Windows has always been. When I bought my iPod Touch 4g, I finally reached the cold day in hell where I intentionally installed iTunes on my computer (only to activate, and upgrade the iOS version)

      I can't believe you need this software AT ALL. Getting away from iTunes was one of the principal things that drove me to Android, and I've never looked back.

      You can actually own android devices and not even have a computer. And even if you do have a computer there is never a need to cable your device to it.

      How can the richest company on earth be so clueless when it comes to software design?

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    40. Re:To much selling me shit. by icebike · · Score: 1

      I would love to have winamp back. now if they supported something other than windows.

      I hate itunes. I firmly believe it should be three pieces(media player, Media Store and Media Sync). but I have yet find another music player on the mac that actually works.

      Winamp for Mac.
      Winamp for Android.
      Winamp for Windows.

      Stop buying your music from Apple and you don't need the store portion of iTunes.

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    41. Re:To much selling me shit. by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      I have to think its on purpose, to drive sales of their $1000 Macs, because surely to God the richest company on the planet could hire better coders than THAT. I swear every time i have to deal with a customer's iTunes it sends me back to the days of Win9X and REALPlayer, it is THAT flaky and crashy.

      So I truly think they make it just "good enough" that they can activate and have it "kinda sorta" work so everybody can tell them "You know on my Mac iTunes runs great!" because surely they could have hired better Windows coders by now, I mean its 2012 and its still THAT buggy? Its gotta be on purpose, either that or the PHBs really just don't give a fuck.

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    42. Re:To much selling me shit. by icebike · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I've used iTunes on a Mac.
      Its just as much a design clusterfuck on Mac as it is on windows. Its a total mess.

      This software was never designed. It was just programmed incrementally. When they came out with a phone, they looked around for anything they could hammer-to-fit and hung more code on it without a thought to usability.

      If Apple built roads, they would saw down a couple trees to get across a creek. As traffic increased, they would add cross members, then add gravel, then pave it, then cement over that, then add side rails. But under that mess the logs would still be there rotting away.

      iTunes is a professional embarrassment. That you need a music player to manage a phone is like needing a fish to maintain your motor-cycle.

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    43. Re:To much selling me shit. by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      No, I certainly wouldn't complain if they, say, made the device act as a USB drive so I could just copy the damn files or use whatever media player/manager I wanted to.

      In what is supposed to be a discussion about iTunes 11, you're now criticising the device, and want to use something other than iTunes. QED. No chance to iTunes would make you happy because you're an Android fanboy.

      But fanboys always try to dismiss everyone else as fanboys first, like a kind of pre-emptive strike.

      So now you're accusing me of being a fanboy. Way to make a point and condemn yourself with it in a single sentence.

      For me it's nothing to do with a preemptive strike. You've just made it plain in every Apple discussion on Slashdot that you are arguing from an Android fanboy perspective. And you're welcome to be an Android fanboy. But it does make your critiques on Apple's products worthless.

    44. Re:To much selling me shit. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      In case you havent noticed, there are store links all the way down the the individual song level, on stuff you already own.

      No, I haven't noticed. And deliberately looking now, I can't find the thing you're referring to.

      the entire music player is infested with 'buy now'.

      That's really not true.

    45. Re:To much selling me shit. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This article is clearly without a doubt an advertisement. No actual user would gush about it being easier to find the store. The store button is the least useful button on the entire thing.

    46. Re:To much selling me shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beautiful.

    47. Re:To much selling me shit. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

      The problem with Google Music is that it is still US only. Not even in Canada can we make use of it. I will consider Google music the day its availble to me.

      The iTunes Music store and, to some extent, Amazon are the only legal options outside of the USA.

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    48. Re:To much selling me shit. by chrish · · Score: 1

      I've been using Clementine (http://www.clementine-player.org/ for Linux, Mac, Windows) for a few weeks now, since the last article bitching about iTunes was on /. and it's pretty decent and very flexible.

      And it uses a lot less RAM than iTunes, even after this iTunes update cut its RAM usage roughly in half... Clementine's still using only half as much.

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    49. Re:To much selling me shit. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The interface spends too much time trying to sell me shit. I just want to play my music and podcasts.

      I use Winamp

      Then you know a lot about an "interface spends too much time trying to sell me shit".

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    50. Re:To much selling me shit. by Quila · · Score: 1

      I had noticed iTunes getting worse and worse, working more and more slowly, over the versions. Indeed, it looked as you described. But the new one, looks like they replaced major internals. I think the logs are finally gone.

    51. Re:To much selling me shit. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You realize that the design decision that you're complaining about here is in fact a legal restriction placed on Apple by the RIAA, right?

      See: RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia Systems, Inc.

      "On appeal, the ninth circuit upheld the lower court's decision to deny injunctive relief but found that the lower court had erred in holding that the Rio was a covered device under the AHRA. The court noted that in order to be a digital audio recording device, the Rio must be able to reproduce, either "directly" or "from a transmission," a "digital music recording." 17 U.S.C. 1001(1)."

      If there's no supported method for copying the audio files off the device, then it is not a "digital recording device" under the definition in the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, thus the law does not apply.

      Without that court decision, we wouldn't have portable MP3 players without paying the RIAA a shload of money for the privilege.

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    52. Re:To much selling me shit. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You've managed to sum up my thoughts about what iTunes has become perfectly.

      Signed,

      Someone that used the software when it was called SoundJam, before Apple bought it and installed a kitchen sink.

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    53. Re:To much selling me shit. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      The interface spends too much time trying to sell me shit.

      In iTunes? Where? You can close the Genius bar, and when I'm looking at a play list or my music collection (or movies, or books), there is precisely 0% of the screen which is allocated to trying to sell you stuff. None, nada, zip.

      In fact, on the new version, I can't even find where I'd turn on the Genius bar which would try to show me stuff I might like based on what I have.

      So either it's been a very long time since you looked at iTunes, or you're talking out of your butt.

      You don't have to like iTunes, but I'm not seeing any evidence to suggest what you've said is factual -- and a fair bit of direct evidence to suggest it's quite wrong since I have it up on screen now and there's no sign of any attempts to sell me stuff or screen real-estate dedicated to that.

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    54. Re:To much selling me shit. by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      I can't believe you need this software AT ALL. Getting away from iTunes was one of the principal things that drove me to Android, and I've never looked back.

      Discounting the iPod Nano/Shuffle (not iOS) what makes you think you 'need' this software? On an iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch, you can do the following without plugging into iTunes:

      * Activate a new device or previously wiped device
      * Update iOS on a device
      * Buy/download/update apps
      * Buy/download music
      * Buy/download TV shows or Movies
      * Download/stream podcasts
      * Backup to iCloud / restore from iCloud
      * Download/backup photos and videos
      * Stream to compatible AirPlay devices

      I have an iPhone 5 that's never been plugged into a computer, except occasionally for an emergency charge.

    55. Re:To much selling me shit. by icebike · · Score: 1

      Update the OS,
      Backup
      Activate
      Restore

      were all features that arrived very late in the game, long after they had been available on Android for years.
      You can't come around talking about the stuff that only arrived with IOS 5, and maintain any credibility.
      Unlike some people, I got fed up waiting for IOS to catch up with real world functionality.

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    56. Re:To much selling me shit. by sglewis100 · · Score: 1
      The comment said:

      I can't believe you need this software

      It didn't say I can't believe you once needed this software.

    57. Re:To much selling me shit. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      1. Other devices allow it.

      2. That law doesn't apply to me (not in the US).

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    58. Re:To much selling me shit. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      1. Other devices are taking a legal gamble that the RIAA won't sue their pants off, but Apple isn't going to as they are the market leader.

      2. US law may not apply to you, but it does apply to Apple, as they are a corporation headquartered in Cupertino, California; a US state. The RIAA wouldn't be suing you under the AHRA, they would be suing Apple.

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  3. sidebar by jbolden · · Score: 2

    The layout on the top bar helps to separate out: player from store from device management. I will admit I do like the sidebar with the old layout for familiarity.

    Anyway I think the big difference is that more of the functionality is exposed on the interface, sort of like an office application. I think they are assuming that iTunes user base is sort of stable and they can make things less obvious. That's a typical Apple pattern:

    lots of new users = aim for obviousness
    lots of experienced users = decrease obviousness and increase features

  4. Can I have v 10 back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found the old spreadsheet format very intuitive. This sucks, it's all slick presentation rather than useful interface.

    1. Re: Can I have v 10 back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can change it to look like 10.0, it's two clicks, show menu, show left thingie, done

    2. Re: Can I have v 10 back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can change it to look like 10.0, it's two clicks, show menu, show left thingie, done

      How do you get the column browsing e.g. Genre/Artist/Album to be on the left as you could in ITunes 10?

  5. Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was looking at an artists website, and clicked on the link to buy an album. It too me to the iTunes website. OK I thought, I'll try it. Except that I couldn't. To actually buy the album it said I had to do so through the iTunes software. Whoops. I guess I won't be buying anything from iTunes at all then.

    You know, 'cause I run GNU/Linux.

    It doesn't matter how fast the software is, if I am required to use it to buy shit, I ain't buying it. Websites work as store front ends for many other people, so why not Apple?

    1. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by pmontra · · Score: 4, Informative

      In other news Linux users pay more than Windows and Mac users at humblebundle.com, but that's no shit I guess, so you're right.

    2. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by jo_ham · · Score: 1, Informative

      In other news Linux users pay more than Windows and Mac users at humblebundle.com, but that's no shit I guess, so you're right.

      Not that I think it's bad, but it must be nice to have those big front donations from single users skewing the average, eh?

      Honestly I don't think there's much difference between the average users in terms of how much they spend, or their likelihood of buying something.

    3. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by tepples · · Score: 1

      Buy Windows and run it in a VM.

    4. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Buy Windows and run it in a VM.

      ...or simply use one of the great players and Linux...and a store that is OS agnostic.

    5. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would Apple worry about the 5 Linux users?

      Because there are a lot more than five. Android, which uses the same kernel as GNU/Linux, is beating iOS on phones, neck and neck on 7-10" tablets, and about to beat it handily on game consoles this coming April unless Apple gets apps onto Apple TV pronto.

    6. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the same news, some Slashdotter pulls out the single point of data that supports their point of view and ignores the rest (And gets modded up for this kind of dick move!). How very fucking scientific of the Slashdot crowd. If we were talking global warming you would have been modded troll within 5 seconds of the post.

    7. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or pirate it. I'm not planning on giving any more money to MS.

      (Note: I didn't actually pirate my copy of Windows. I bought it. I do feel like a bit of a sucker, though.)

    8. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it default windows when you donate? Cause I haven't changed mine. I really couldn't be bothered and really don't care. That would skew it too.

    9. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was looking at an artists website, and clicked on the link to buy an album. It too me to the iTunes website. OK I thought, I'll try it. Except that I couldn't. To actually buy the album it said I had to do so through the iTunes software. Whoops. I guess I won't be buying anything from iTunes at all then.

      You know, 'cause I run GNU/Linux.

      It doesn't matter how fast the software is, if I am required to use it to buy shit, I ain't buying it. Websites work as store front ends for many other people, so why not Apple?

      Did you contact the artist and let him know that? If not, then your 'vote with your wallet' ballot was not submitted.

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    10. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because there are a lot more than five. Android, which uses the same kernel as GNU/Linux, is beating iOS on phones, neck and neck on 7-10" tablets, and about to beat it handily on game consoles this coming April unless Apple gets apps onto Apple TV pronto.

      And now the real facts.
      1) Android is ahead on phones.
      2) Apple is ahead on tablets (55% to Andorid's 44%).
      3) Apple is way ahead of Android on games.
      4) iOS is actually the biggest games platform there is. Selling more games than any other platform.
      5) There's an announcement of an Android console shipping next April. It's effect on the market is entirely unknown. But tepples hopes it turns everything around.
      6) Tepples also wants a pony.

    11. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Average payments can be misleading. What was is the median price paid per bundle?

    12. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      It's all that money they're not putting toward Windows-only games.

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    13. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      Straw man.

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    14. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM 8)

    15. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good for little titles that people throw together in their spare time. But when somebody actually gave desktop Linux users a legitimate chance to purchase Linux versions of A-list titles by major studios (And threw a good portion of their revenue back into development of open-source tools and libraries that would have helped other companies do the same thing.); the Linux community responded resoundingly with rejection by refusing to buy in anything close to the numbers necessary to keep the business afloat. So nice as the Humble Bundle average is (And the HB have recently abandoned the indie, cross-platform philosophy anyway.), color me unimpressed by desktop Linux users' willingness to pay.

      Mac users, OTOH (Since the overall topic *IS* iTunes.), do buy in the numbers necessary to keep outfits like Aspyr and Feral afloat and bring A-List titles to the platform (Even though they are often a bit later than the PC release and the hype has usually died down by the time of the port.)

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    16. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't

    17. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by smisle · · Score: 1

      It automatically detects your OS depending on which you're using when you donate.

      @ jo_ham - I believe they posted a detailed analysis of the donation breakdown per OS right after the first bundle.

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    18. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like you're complimenting his taste in consumer products ;)

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    19. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over 3 years, linux users have paid $4m in humble bundle. That's like the first .02 seconds of a big windows release.

      I wouldn't use that as a benchmark, other than to say that linux users are cheap and look for ultra low prices software more often than windows or mac users.

    20. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by cgenman · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken, for historical reasons Apple used to add DRM on the user's side (which was always a bad idea, but whatever), rather than the server side. This would lock them into a model where they needed to run code on the end-user's machine, rather than globally.

      Why they *STILL* have a crippled website is anybody's guess. It could be an attempt at platform lock-in. But also, It took nearly 15 years to turn the worst steaming pile Apple ever put out into a 2nd version, so maybe it's just a resource issue.

    21. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Realistically, when people say "Linux", they don't mean to include Android. It's a whole different platform.

      And, yes, you could specifically ask why Apple doesn't care about Android, but then the answer is kinda obvious. You could just as well ask why Google Play is not available on iOS devices.

      In the meantime, Amazon offers music and video services with (re-)downloading and streaming, and clients available for both iOS and Android, as well as Flash-based web interface for all desktop OSes. If you want a platform-agnostic service provider, Amazon is it - or at least they come closest to that of all the mainstream alternatives.

    22. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Xyde · · Score: 1

      Has nobody managed to make it go in WINE already?

    23. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't have said Linux users rejected Loki. The problem with Loki was that they were more than 10 years too early -- there just wasn't the user base for linux gaming back in the early noughties. (And if you think back to what linux was like around 2001, it's hardly surprising! Man, but those early linux desktops were seriously ugly ...)

      Hell, there still probably isn't the user base to make serious gaming software development viable for linux. We're talking about a user base of less than 1% ... it's never going to rake the cash in.

    24. Re:Still can't use on Linux, still not buying by Cheeseness · · Score: 1

      Not that I think it's bad, but it must be nice to have those big front donations from single users skewing the average, eh?

      With a little bit of calculation, you'll find that the top 10 contributors barely shift the averages at all. Watching the top contributors list early in a bundle lets you see that the platform contribution ratios are pretty well established before the big players come in (I've recorded hourly stats for a couple of bundles which you can view here).

      During the HIB V, in response to some comments like these, I calculated out that Notch's $12,345.67 contribution to the Humble Indie Bundle V only shifted the Windows average up by 4c at the time (he selects Windows). Not many of the regular top contributors select Linux anyway.

  6. Goodbye Windows 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    When I found out that Apple had come out with an updated version of iTunes, I threw all of my Windows desktops and laptops in the dumpster. In other words, I unplugged and tossed them 7 minutes ago.

    It'll cost me a small fortune to replace them with Apple products, but it's worth it. This post was created with an iPad.

    Apple 4ever, Micro$oft and Linux NEVER.

    1. Re:Goodbye Windows 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      itunes still is a shitty program

    2. Re:Goodbye Windows 8 by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling the OP was trying to be sarcastic. No one in any kind of even mostly-sane state of mind would just throws desktop and laptop computers in the trash just for an updated iTunes - version.

  7. Alternatives to iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have grown to hate iTunes lately. More bells, whistles, forced integration with iCloud, gratuitous multifunctionality...and it seems that v11 continues the trend. I'm starting to look for alternatives to iTunes, and I wonder what the /. community would recommend. And no, Windows or **nux aren't options for me. Tnx.

    1. Re:Alternatives to iTunes? by alcourt · · Score: 1

      I know many people have suggested songbird in the past. I was able to pretty well ignore the functions I didn't want, so it didn't bother me. "Mac alternatives to iTunes" turns up lots of sites that suggest a few other options.

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    2. Re:Alternatives to iTunes? by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Or as an alternative to Songbird on Windows which doesn't do Podcasts (and doesn't look like it ever will) Miro http://www.getmiro.com/ is pretty good, especially if you pair it up with Winamp http://www.winamp.com/ for Shoutcast streaming radio.

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    3. Re:Alternatives to iTunes? by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      Songbird is for IOS, Android, web, not OSX or Windows

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    4. Re:Alternatives to iTunes? by alcourt · · Score: 1

      The URL http://getsongbird.com/desktop/ disagrees with you. Download link for OS X.

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  8. iTunes??? by shine · · Score: 0

    I'll have to take your word for it, I just never have used iTunes.

    1. Re:iTunes??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      why are you posting here then? you've added nothing to the conversation.

      who modded this retard up?

  9. Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a PC user, always found Apple's software beyond the OS baffling and counterintuitive, probably because they hide what they are doing. Something as simple as moving and saving songs to my phone seems like an excercise in frustration - syncing is not backing up for some reason and I always end up with duplicate songs or apps from other family members' devices. If they didn't have to hide the file system.

    Amazing that a company that makes decent hardware and a decent OS and ok apps can't make decent software. Hope this update fixes some of the bullshit.

    1. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Well, the OS is of course BSD unix, and has not been made by Apple.

    2. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Something as simple as moving and saving songs to my phone seems like an excercise in frustration

      That's because it's not designed for the exact opposite. It's designed so that the user shouldn't have to "move and save songs to their phone". iTunes should just take care of it for them.

      I always end up with duplicate songs or apps from other family members' devices.

      It sounds like you're using a single user account on your computer for multiple users. Rather than expect every application on your system invent their own ways of dealing with multiple users, you should just have a user account for every user on your computer.

      Granted, iTunes is by no means perfect, and the sharp corners show through in some cases, but if you're looking at an Apple product and thinking "I can't do X manually", it's probably because you have an XY problem, and they are solving X while you are asking about Y. X in this case being listening to your music on your phone and Y being manually putting them there.

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    3. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      That's because it's not designed for the exact opposite.

      And in case anybody is confused, that sentence was supposed to either be "not designed for that" or "designed for the exact opposite", and somehow it came out as both.

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    4. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      Not entirely correct. The underlying system is indeed Darwin ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) ), but all the GUI-stuff is proprietary. And quite obviously all the GUI-stuff is a part of the OS and therefore you cannot say OSX is BSD.

    5. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why would syncing be the same as backing up? what consumer product has EVER treated syncing in this way?

      sync means "make content the same on both devices", and that's exactly what itunes syncing does unless you change the defaults.

    6. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a PC user, I absolutely hate iTunes. I stay away from Apple products specifically because of iTunes.

      My kids have iPod touches, and I loath having to go into iTunes and update their software/apps. Going through the huge app list is painful. For some reason the app icons never get cached, so they are reloaded every time iTunes forces me to view them. Plus the entire software is sluggish on my reasonably fast Windows 7 system. And it eats CPU like crazy.

      I often wonder if Apple purposefully made iTunes run like crap on Windows just so that they can push people more toward Macs.

    7. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by TejWC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple makes great software; its just that they make the worst Windows software you could ever use. iLife is half the reason why I was using a Mac for so many years. General rule of thumb for all Apple software:
      If it ends in .exe, it will be slow, bloated, and unintuitive
      If it ends in .app, it will be fast, slick, and makes sense

    8. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the OS is not BSD Unix. It's partially BSD and partially something that Apple (NeXT) wrote. A clear explanation can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diagram_of_Mac_OS_X_architecture.svg. The other item to note is that while there is a BSD portion of the xnu kernel, a large part of these are Apple/NeXT code.

    9. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's designed so that the user shouldn't have to "move and save songs to their phone". iTunes should just take care of it for them.

      No sir, I don't like it. That's a solution looking for a problem if I've ever seen one.

    10. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by sco08y · · Score: 0

      Apple makes great software; its just that they make the worst Windows software you could ever use. iLife is half the reason why I was using a Mac for so many years. General rule of thumb for all Apple software:
      If it ends in .exe, it will be slow, bloated, and unintuitive
      If it ends in .app, it will be fast, slick, and makes sense

      That's because .exe stands for 'execrable'.

    11. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      You're probably correct. But if I buy a song on my phone, I was expecting sync to transfer it to my computer. To sync/transfer content basically. iCloud kinda fixes the downfalls of a lost phone but the only time I connect to a computer is todo an OS upgrade and instead of being one step, it's a series and even done correctly, all manner of screwups occur - phone populated with other people's apps and that junk.

    12. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by mkraft · · Score: 1

      I agree, some of the changes in iTunes 11 are downright baffling. For example, if you want to sync updated apps, you now need to do a "backup" instead of "sync". I suppose that makes syncing faster, but it makes little sense otherwise.

    13. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by jsdcnet · · Score: 2

      Set your phone to "Manage manually" instead of Library sync. Then you can just drag and drop stuff onto it. No more syncing weirdness. Syncing is for people with a small amount of music that will fit neatly on one device. If you buy new things on the phone or on the computer, it doesn't matter, they will always be exact mirrors of each other after syncing (and with iCloud, you don't even necessarily have to sync any more).

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    14. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by ruiner13 · · Score: 1

      Apple didn't write the original iTunes. Apple bought SoundJam MP from Casady and Green. I still remember using SoundJam fondly. For its time, it was way ahead of the curve (which is why Apple bought it, I'm sure). SJ and iTunes are similar, but iTunes was redesigned as a store as much as a music player. SJ just wanted to help import, organize, and play music.

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    15. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by jsdcnet · · Score: 1

      You're probably correct. But if I buy a song on my phone, I was expecting sync to transfer it to my computer.

      That's exactly how iTunes has always worked. With iCloud you no longer have to sync. With iTunes 11, purchased-but-not-on-computer items show up in the library just like any other content, but with an iCloud logo.

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    16. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by jsdcnet · · Score: 2

      As a PC user, I absolutely hate iTunes. I stay away from Apple products specifically because of iTunes.

      My kids have iPod touches, and I loath having to go into iTunes and update their software/apps.

      Well, you don't have to do that any more. Remember the whole "PC Free" thing from a year or two ago? You can update the OS, apps, whatever, on the device itself, and use iCloud for backup. If you ever have to reset the device for some reason it will just redownload everything automatically once you put in your iCloud login. As long as your kids' iPods can run iOS 5 or later, you never need to connect to iTunes ever again.

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    17. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a PC user, always found Apple's software beyond the OS baffling and counterintuitive, probably because they hide what they are doing. Something as simple as moving and saving songs to my phone seems like an excercise in frustration - syncing is not backing up for some reason and I always end up with duplicate songs or apps from other family members' devices. If they didn't have to hide the file system.

      Amazing that a company that makes decent hardware and a decent OS and ok apps can't make decent software. Hope this update fixes some of the bullshit.

      Sucks you think that. I don't have any idea what it hides. It shows you where the files are, it shows you what it is doing while syncing. Which part isn't intuitive, and who else has a syncing process that's more intuitive? Just wondering what the gold standard is, I think they're all a touch annoying.

      Too bad you're having a backup issue. There are like two settings to check on that. Otherwise, I find your comments far from culminating in call the software bullshit.

      I don't get why people complain. Don't like the store? Don't buy songs! I never have, and I'm flooded with all the music I could ever want.

    18. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      That's because it's not designed for the exact opposite. It's designed so that the user shouldn't have to "move and save songs to their phone". iTunes should just take care of it for them.

      Most phones, especially Apple phones where there is no SD card slot, have limited space available so there must be some way to select which ones you want to sync. By default iTunes just tries to sync everything as soon as you add it to your library, filling your phone up immediately.

      iTunes does actually support manual syncing. It is the only option if you have multiple devices and want different songs on each of them.

      Rather than expect every application on your system invent their own ways of dealing with multiple users, you should just have a user account for every user on your computer.

      But then you have to buy the same stuff four or five times so everyone in the family can have it. Android lets you have multiple Google accounts associated with each device so you can have a family one for app purchases and then everyone also has their own individual ones for email and other personal stuff.

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    19. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Most phones, especially Apple phones where there is no SD card slot, have limited space available so there must be some way to select which ones you want to sync. By default iTunes just tries to sync everything as soon as you add it to your library, filling your phone up immediately.

      That's no justification for a delete function. The Apple userbase is expected to just buy a new iPhone when they run out of space.

    20. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Most phones, especially Apple phones where there is no SD card slot, have limited space available so there must be some way to select which ones you want to sync. By default iTunes just tries to sync everything as soon as you add it to your library, filling your phone up immediately.

      iTunes does actually support manual syncing. It is the only option if you have multiple devices and want different songs on each of them.

      Yes, I know all that and the fact that manual selection is sometimes necessary is one of the sharp corners I mentioned. But most people don't have enough music to fill their devices and most people don't want different songs on different devices. Apple aren't trying to be all things to all people, nor should they be. They are optimising for the common case, which is somebody who just wants their music in their pocket and has room for it. And when there isn't room for it, they are solving that with iCloud rather than depending on the user to manually manage files.

      But then you have to buy the same stuff four or five times so everyone in the family can have it.

      If you're syncing one library to devices belonging to multiple people, you're probably committing copyright infringement. Making copies of music you've bought for your own use is one thing, making copies for other people is another.

      I agree, it would be nice if it was handled better, but I can understand why Apple are not building their applications to cater to illegal use cases that would harm their relationship with their suppliers.

      Android lets you have multiple Google accounts associated with each device so you can have a family one for app purchases and then everyone also has their own individual ones for email and other personal stuff.

      Yes, that would be very useful for iOS. But that's the opposite problem isn't it? A shared device rather than a shared library?

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    21. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? There is a manual control check box in the ipod interface for itunes. This is more of a case of someone complaining, but not googling for a solution.

    22. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      But then you have to buy the same stuff four or five times so everyone in the family can have it.

      Ah yes, the family license that RIAA is always promoting.

    23. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      why would syncing be the same as backing up?

      Because when you've synced everything on a device to another device, you've backed it up.

    24. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      But most people don't have enough music to fill their devices and most people don't want different songs on different devices.

      Now there are two giant assumptions. It isn't just music people put on their devices either. A 720p 45 minute TV show is about 1.3GB, a 1080p movie is in the 8GB range. Lots of people have 16GB devices with no way to expand them, and that "16GB" is actually 14.9GB due to 2^10 sizing, plus it has to store the OS, apps and so forth.

      If you're syncing one library to devices belonging to multiple people, you're probably committing copyright infringement.

      I have not read the iTunes TOS but Google specifically allow it when you buy anything from Play. After all, if I buy a CD everyone in my family can listen to it. They don't have to borrow my CD player when they want to hear it.

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    25. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because it's not designed for the exact opposite. It's designed so that the user shouldn't have to "move and save songs to their phone". iTunes should just take care of it for them.

      Well guess what? They fucked up (and continually fuck up) so that users DO need to manually move/delete shit, and it's fucking impossible. This has always been my experience with Apple software. They try so hard to make it "easy" to do things exactly one way that they make it impossible if you're on an edge case or need to do something in a slightly different way or their "easy" way fucks up and doesn't work.

      The only saving grace with the OS is that when it comes down to it I can open a terminal window and usually do what needs to get done. No such option with any of their other software.

    26. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit, I've been listening to music on my living room stereo where my family can hear it for decades. I've been stealing this entire time!

      Making copies for personal use is the definition of Fair Use.

    27. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      But most people don't have enough music to fill their devices and most people don't want different songs on different devices.

      Now there are two giant assumptions.

      Okay, I'll grant you that different types of media can have an effect on this argument (although I don't think there are all that many people out there putting lots of HiDef TV shows on their portable devices), but are you really disagreeing that most people don't want different songs on different devices? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it? Or do you really think that most iOS users have multiple devices that they want to manage individually?

      After all, if I buy a CD everyone in my family can listen to it. They don't have to borrow my CD player when they want to hear it.

      That's not an analogous situation because you aren't making a copy of the music. If you were ripping the CD and giving them the files, it would be a different matter.

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    28. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by immaterial · · Score: 3, Insightful

      iTunes does actually support manual syncing. It is the only option if you have multiple devices and want different songs on each of them.

      Umm, no. Each device has its own unique sync settings. If you dont want to have different itunes libraries for everyone, you can still sync different playlists/albums/artists/songs to each device automatically from one library.

      Android lets you have multiple Google accounts associated with each device so you can have a family one for app purchases and then everyone also has their own individual ones for email and other personal stuff.

      Ignoring the potential licensing/copyright infringement angle (I believe Apple considers sharing within your family to be just fine; hence the existence of the Home Sharing feature) your Apple devices can in fact have separate AppleIDs for app downloads and email/messaging/iCloud. You can even use multiple different accounts for the store itself, though you have to go to settings and log out/in to switch accounts (only when you want to buy an app for the account you're not currently logged in with; updates don't care what account you're logged in with). My mom gets access to all my apps this way, while she also has her own account for when she wants to buy something I don't already have (so that I don't get charged for silly sudoku apps I won't ever use).

    29. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by immaterial · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, syncing can be incredibly powerful for people who have more music than fits on their device. Smart playlists are incredible for updating your device without adding any manual effort in your part at all (aside from setting up your smart playlists once, of course).

      Stuff like "sync songs I haven't listened to in the past week" or "sync 7GB of my top-rated songs" or "sync everything I've listened to over 100 times, and fill the rest of the space with songs I haven't rated yet" or any AND/NOT combination of criteria you can imagine: "sync all my 4-star and higher rated songs, and sync any 3-star songs I haven't listened to in the past month, and sync everything in my favorites list regardless, do not sync anything I've listened to more than 200 times, and then fill the remaining space on my device with songs I haven't rated yet".

      Every time you plug in your phone to charge in the evening, you can automatically end up with a new selection of music perfectly tailored to you with no effort whatsoever despite the fact that you couldn't fit it all on the device at once.

    30. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by ToastedRhino · · Score: 2

      But most people don't have enough music to fill their devices and most people don't want different songs on different devices.

      Now there are two giant assumptions. It isn't just music people put on their devices either. A 720p 45 minute TV show is about 1.3GB, a 1080p movie is in the 8GB range. Lots of people have 16GB devices with no way to expand them, and that "16GB" is actually 14.9GB due to 2^10 sizing, plus it has to store the OS, apps and so forth.

      If you're syncing one library to devices belonging to multiple people, you're probably committing copyright infringement.

      I have not read the iTunes TOS but Google specifically allow it when you buy anything from Play. After all, if I buy a CD everyone in my family can listen to it. They don't have to borrow my CD player when they want to hear it.

      OK, seems to be some misinformation going around.

      Syncing one account to multiple devices belonging to family members is almost certainly not Copyright Infringement. While I haven't read the Google Play TOS, I assume that it and iTunes are actually pretty similar with Apple likely being only slightly more restrictive if at all. You can authorize up to 5 different computers (or separate user accounts on a single computer) with an iTunes Store Account and any of these computers/separate user accounts will be able to play DRMed content (Books, Movies, TV Shows, etc.) purchased with the associated iTunes Store Account and sync that content to an unlimited (I think, definitely a bunch) number of iDevices for playback. This does not apply to music anymore though because it doesn't have DRM and so can, theoretically, be given to as many family members, or even complete strangers if you enjoy the pirating of music (which would be Copyright Infringement), as you'd like and no copy of iTunes nor any iDevice will have anything to say about it.

      You can have up to 10 iDevices authorized for a single iTunes Store Account, and all of these devices will be able to download all of the same stuff (i.e., using "iTunes in the Cloud") for no additional cost. So, buy once and you're good.

      Also, there's two ways to manually manage music. There's actual manual management where you drag and drop each item of media that gets added to the iDevice, and there's manual management of syncing which allows you to choose what will be automatically synced in a more flexible manner. So, you can have it sync only specific genres, artists, albums, or specific songs, as well as only unwatched movies or TV shows, or only the x newest episodes of a show. It's really pretty flexible and customizable, especially considering it comes from Apple. While you're right that the default is "Sync Everything," doing so is by no means the only option.

    31. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Can you have multiple iTunes accounts on a single device though? If not it is fairly useless in a family situation because everyone will want their own account, but at the same time want to share family purchased apps and media.

      And yes, I know I am right about "sync everything" not being the only option, that was actually my original point. "Sync everything" is actually fairly useless for most people.

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    32. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      although I don't think there are all that many people out there putting lots of HiDef TV shows on their portable devices

      Lots of Apple users perhaps, but that's because most of their portable devices don't have HD displays. In fact only the iPad 3 & 4 do, the iPad Mini and various iPhones are all sub-HD so there is little point syncing HD media to them.

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    33. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Can you have multiple iTunes accounts on a single device though? If not it is fairly useless in a family situation because everyone will want their own account, but at the same time want to share family purchased apps and media.

      There's no family license on apps or digital media whether you are on iOS or Android.

      "Sync everything" is actually fairly useless for most people.

      Wrong. It's used by the vast majority of users. The vast majority don't have enough songs to fill an iOS device, and where there isn't enough space for movies (or any other media) iTunes will give you options to deal with that. Such as not syncing photos, or only downloading some of the unplayed movies.

      There's never any reason to burden the user with manual management of files on multiple devices.

    34. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      General rule of thumb for all Apple software:
      If it ends in .exe, it will be slow, bloated, and unintuitive
      If it ends in .app, it will be fast, slick, and makes sense

      Actually that's a pretty good rule of thumb for all software, not just Apple's.

    35. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people who have multiple devices probably do want different songs on different devices. Why?

      1. The second device is a different size. There are some devices that are small enough that most people's whole libraries won't fit.
      2. The second device has a different purpose. I don't use my iPhone for workouts. I have a nano on a wrist band. I only want workout music on it.
      3. The second device belongs to a different family member. I don't want my daughter having access to some of my more explicit music, and I sure as hell didn't want my ex-wife's country music on my devices.

      That said, it's really, really trivial to do.

    36. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by MirthScout · · Score: 2

      Yes you can but it is all about how you use the accounts. Each family member should have their own AppleID to use for almost everything (iMessage, email, Find My iPhone, sync, iCloud, etc.). The exception is: do not use that AppleID for iTunes store purchases. Instead create a family AppleID and set all family member's iTunes apps, and iDevices to use the family AppleID for iTunes store purchases. Then each family member gets to manage their own media library and anything one purchases anyone else can easily use without repurchasing.

    37. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes does actually support manual syncing. It is the only option if you have multiple devices and want different songs on each of them.

      No it is not. You can select what playlists you want to sync while still in automatic syncing. You can then add songs and videos to playlists manually or configure smart playlists which select songs based on criteria you set. You can even choose to exclude videos that you'e watched, or only the top X from your playlist based on sorting criteria like "least recently played" or "highest ratting".

    38. Re:Too bad Apple doesn't make SW like their HW by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Most phones, especially Apple phones where there is no SD card slot

      You mean, Apple and Google phones? Google hasn't put an SD slot on any of its new devices. I'm generally pro-Google and anti-Apple, but singling out Apple here is disingenuous.

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  10. Many of the same flaws, some new ones by alcourt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Too many of the same old flaws are still there. For example, it insists on sorting artist rather than composer in many views. If I have an album where two different pieces have different featured soloist artists, it insists in some views as treating it as two separate albums, while other views may not. For larger works, this can be a problem, like the complete symphonies of Haydn.

    Groupings remain the red-headed stepchild, poorly used, despite being the only way to logically group together movements of a larger work within an album.

    It introduced a few new flaws. In playlist view, it appears trivial to turn on shuffle and start playing a random piece. In library/songs view, that no longer appears possible. Multiple testing shows it always plays the first piece of the playlist, then shuffles.

    The column browser is gone, just gone inside a playlist. I have some very large playlists. I want to be able to use the column browser within that playlist. I now have to go outside the playlist to the library view and use that, hoping I remember correctly the criteria that form the smart playlists.

    I never had much of a performance issue, so I can't speak to that, but the first thing I turned off was album art based views. If I wanted an album, I'd pick it from the column browser.

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    1. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by tepples · · Score: 1

      Would you rather have it sort by composer, so that contemporary pieces show up under Holland-Dozier-Holland, Stock Aitken Waterman, etc.?

    2. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by cob666 · · Score: 2

      The column browser is gone, just gone inside a playlist. I have some very large playlists. I want to be able to use the column browser within that playlist. I now have to go outside the playlist to the library view and use that, hoping I remember correctly the criteria that form the smart playlists.

      I just tried this and if you select a playlist, you can still go into View / Column Browser / Show Column Browser

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    3. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by alcourt · · Score: 2

      Odd, completely grayed out for me. Might be the difference that I'm using smart playlists, not regular ones. I create playlists based on combinations of genres or comments put in the comments field (Moody is a nice tool for me).

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    4. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by ruiner13 · · Score: 1

      For example, it insists on sorting artist rather than composer in many views.

      Have you tried playing with the sort options under the "View -> View Options" Menu? This menu has a drop-down that lets you control the primary sort, and a sub-section to refine how to sort beyond that (including "sort composer"). Perhaps this is the option you want?

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    5. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      I primarily use smart playlists too. I just checked and I can enable the column browser while viewing one in list view.

    6. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by alcourt · · Score: 1

      Take an album. Have two different featured soloists. The album is now split into two separate "albums" in album based view, one with the pieces with one soloist, the other with those with the other soloist. If you listen to concertos, this is a problem since they so often have a featured soloist.

      The view you're referring to is more about some of the basic views I ended up using. I wanted to use the other views in older iTunes. I did. But it insisted on emphasizing artist rather than composer, even though that was deselected.

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    7. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by alcourt · · Score: 1

      Even better, checking each smart playlist, making sure I was in list view, all but one, column browser was disabled, menu option grayed out, key shortcut does nothing. One playlist, the column browser was forced on, couldn't turn it off.

      This is now pointing to a bug I suspect.

      After going through it, some where it was forced off are now forced on. Yes, I'll be reporting this as a bug based on what you've told me.

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    8. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      Just tried a bunch of others and I can bring it up with the shortcut on them all. Weird!

      It does sound like a bug, worth reporting.

    9. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by alcourt · · Score: 1

      I want to *choose* my sort and list criteria. If I want to listen to Brahms, I shouldn't have to remember that the conductor of my most of my Brahms is Bernstein, but I have other Brahms conducted by someone else. Or they may choose to list the featured soloist as the artist, especially on concertos. I look for composer long before I look at performer.

      In the new album view, I see no way to change the secondary criteria displayed from artist (confusing, useless to me) to a more useful field, such as composer.

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    10. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by cybernanga · · Score: 1

      Edit the "Album Artist" tag for all the songs in the Album, to the same value. This will solve your problem of "split" albums, as it takes precedence over the "Artist" tag.

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    11. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah... Apple... choice. That's a good one. Oh, you were serious, weren't you. I'm sorry, I thought you were in the real world and making a joke.

    12. Re:Many of the same flaws, some new ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a bug in the column browser. It works fine the library, but doesn't work on playlists if you have enabled the left side bar. If you hide the left side bar (and use the default drop down list), the column browser is no longer greyed out. Also, the column browser can only show on top now.

      https://discussions.apple.com/message/20451656?tstart=0#20451656?tstart=0

  11. CNET overviews the removed features by acroyear · · Score: 3, Informative

    7 Features Apple Killed Off in iTunes 11. I was originally annoyed by removing the ability to edit the 'gapless' state of files (removing that one just seems stupid), but as no other player I use on any other platform supports the feature, I gave up caring.

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    1. Re:CNET overviews the removed features by SOOPRcow · · Score: 2

      Winamp has supported gapless playback for a decade now. I honestly can't understand how gapless playback isn't a default feature/setting in any music playing software.

    2. Re:CNET overviews the removed features by Dare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "5. Multiple windows"

      Tried this on my test machine, and it appears to be true. What The Hell. This completely wrecks my workflow for creating playlists (which was to have library open in one window, playlist in another, and to drag files from the library into the right place on the playlist).

      For fnord's sake. It seems that these days every update from Apple ends up just frustrating me. Not installing this one either, just like Safari 6 (no RSS, again WTF?)

    3. Re:CNET overviews the removed features by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 1

      My biggest issue is doing away with iTunes DJ. I use tons of playlists, but the DJ was and still is the best way to listen to them. It played a playlist but allowed me to easily change the order of songs coming up without clicking the shuffle button a bunch of times. I could manually change my order without affecting the playlist. And, perhaps most importantly, if I wanted to listen to one or two songs NOT in that playlist, just find them and add them to the queue. It's essentially a way to make quick, on-the-fly, and temporary playlists.

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    4. Re:CNET overviews the removed features by acroyear · · Score: 1

      I hadn't really noticed the distinctions in winamp, but winamp is usually what I'm playing at work so I'm only barely paying attention.

      The lack of gapless more sticks out on the music players of my tablet, and the cd-rom player in my car, which are the two times I'm more likely to listen to classical. If the CD broke the tracks up (a-la most recordings of Rite of Spring and Firebird) the gaps are very frustrating and I'm going to slowly re-rip most of them to be single-track (at least iTunes hasn't gotten rid of the 'merge these tracks when ripping' feature, which is very useful).

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    5. Re:CNET overviews the removed features by acroyear · · Score: 1

      That part of DJ is still there (from what I read). What is missing now is the way in which anybody (if you opened up your iTunes folders) could request tracks from the outside. Either they got rid of that for lack of use, or more likely because it opened up security holes that they didn't want to keep playing catch-up on closing.

      I do like the fact that you can have it generally shuffle, but prioritize (weighted shuffle) those with higher ratings.

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    6. Re:CNET overviews the removed features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The gapless field was removed because it is for the most part needlessly redundant. For some time now, the iTunes application and Apple's iDevices playback as gapless by default already, regardless of whether the gapless field is checked.

      In fact, for some time it's been difficult or impossible to disable gapless playback. But this is an entirely different complaint.

  12. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by PIBM · · Score: 4, Informative

    First webstore without DRM ? What are you smoking ??

  13. TPB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TPB is still better.

  14. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. The submitter probably liked the icon, and didn't read it's name.
    2. Because compared to today's Apple, Microsoft is actually warm, fuzzy, cute and cuddly.
    3. There are other websites that offer the same thing Slashdot does. But perhaps what you'll miss the most is posting under AC? (I'm willing to bet you also have a named account, but didn't want the bad karma, sooo sad, sooo sad )

  15. Major overhaul is useless: still no FLAC support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    and no, I'm not dual stacking flac-alac just for them. stupid retards.

  16. But Can It Read DRM-Locked iBooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I made the mistake of purchasing an iBook without reading the various notices saying that iBooks are only readable on iPhone, iPad, etc. Why can't iTunes read the DRM-locked iBooks so I could... read what I purchased?

    I ended up pirating the book I bought just so I had a DRM-free copy of it to read. Generally I don't mind the DRM associated with iTunes (save the 'can only play videos out of iTunes bit, but that's a minor gripe), but being unable to consume entertainment I purchased from them is a shining example of DRM done wrong.

    1. Re:But Can It Read DRM-Locked iBooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes can't read books at all, you fucking retard. Use that piece of penguinhead shit Caliber if you're too fucking cheap to buy an iPad.

    2. Re:But Can It Read DRM-Locked iBooks? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I believe Requiem has the ability to remove DRM from iBooks, although I've only used it on movies - I tend to buy all my ebooks through Amazon (and yes, I strip the DRM off them).

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    3. Re:But Can It Read DRM-Locked iBooks? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Wait, so you cant read ebooks sold on itunes on a workstation? at all?

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    4. Re:But Can It Read DRM-Locked iBooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. You can only read DRM locked eBooks on the iBooks app in iOS. There is no PC app available.

  17. The ATH uses-all-one-cpu bug is still in there by mbourgon · · Score: 5, Informative

    For some reason, on some machines the ATH.exe (wifi sync) will take up 100% of one CPU. Happened on the old iTunes, happens on the new iTunes. https://discussions.apple.com/message/20463456?ac_cid=tw123456#20463456

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  18. New by Botia · · Score: 1

    Did they fix the bugs, the performance issues, the crashes, the thrashing of the library, the sync issues, the poor UI, the hiding of fields when they don't work properly making it near impossible to troubleshoot, the unresponsive UI, the resource hog? Not sure how a company that can build the crap that is iTunes can build something like iOS, although that's headed the same way: 1st party apps crashing, app store update not working, app icons never installing, sync issues. Go back to doing one thing and making it work Apple. Having most things mostly work is Microsoft's domain, and you're not there.

    1. Re:New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps its all legacy crap from when iTunes was aquired?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_version_history

    2. Re:New by SQL+Error · · Score: 1

      I've only spent half a day with it, but I'd have to say, no. It's as resource-intensive as ever, the UI still freezes intermittently when there's any processing going on at all, and it crashed completely when trying to play a short video.

      On the other hand, it managed to resurrect my copy of Dr Horrible's Sing-Along Blog which iTunes 10 ate. (The player said I hadn't downloaded it and wouldn't play, and the store said that I had downloaded it and wouldn't download. iTunes11 re-downloaded it for me. And crashed a short while later.)

  19. I guess it's okay by TraumaFox · · Score: 2

    Once I figured out how to get it to sort my albums by title rather than artist again, I have to say I'm getting used to the minimalist interface. iTunes has always been minimal on features, so it never made sense that its UI was such a mess. Now it's more, uh, pushbutton-y? Feels like it was designed for touchscreens, oddly enough. I definitely like the new pop-out Visualizer, now I can properly have that running on my secondary display without jumping back and forth between the full interface. The only thing I'm not digging is how double-clicking an album immediately starts playing it instead of opening the song list. There's actually no way to get to that song list anymore, you have to start the album and then skip to the track you want, else you have to sort through the Songs view which includes your entire library. Oh well.

    1. Re:I guess it's okay by TraumaFox · · Score: 2

      Correction: Apparently the album view does have a neat expanding songlist if you single-click on an album, there is just an obnoxious delay which is why I didn't notice it before. Double-clicking still only plays the album without opening this list though, so it's now a two-step process. -1 intuitiveness.

  20. Eat it, Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once again, Apple tells me what I like and want with version 11. Once again, they are completely wrong. No surprise. I will keep using WinAMP.

    1. Re:Eat it, Apple. by Nerdfest · · Score: 0

      Apple does not want your opinion, they want your money.

  21. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by tuppe666 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    why does an itunes story have a "drm" logo when itunes was the first webstore to sell drm free music?

    Personally I dislike the AAC tracks which are incompatible with everything, which is the trouble with patent encumbered formats [No MP3 has nothing like the same problems]. I also find it kind of sad that those who bought those DRM (128-bit) laden tracks are not getting those tracks either upgraded to a higher quality version...or having the DRM removed. I think there are better stores today elsewhere, Amazon offers DRM free 256kb tracks. ...of course this does not say a lot about all the over content offered in iTunes which is still heavily DRM.

  22. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why does an itunes story have a "drm" logo when itunes was the first webstore to sell drm free music?

    Amazon MP3 store, August 2007.

  23. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

    The movies still have DRM. I believe the books also use a proprietary extension to ePub, but I don't think it's currently used to implement DRM.

  24. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    I dislike the AAC tracks which are incompatible with everything

    Incompatible? Anything that plays AVC (aka H.264) encoded MP4 video also happens to play iTunes m4a files. AAC appears to be supported on more home and mobile entertainment devices than Vorbis.

    I also find it kind of sad that those who bought those DRM (128-bit) laden tracks are not getting those tracks either upgraded to a higher quality version

    Not sad as much as stupid because Apple offers a deep discount on DRM-free repurchases of tracks previously purchased with FairPlay DRM.

  25. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by SternisheFan · · Score: 2
    IANAn Apple user, but isn't there a way to remove drm's from Apple music, by burning the tracks to disc then copying them back from the disc?

    I stopped paying for music after cd's. Just rebuilt my mp3 collection in less than 2 months by borrowing/ripping library CDs. After having backed up over 9000 tracks to flashdrive, I'm done for awhile. :-)

  26. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by tepples · · Score: 1

    1. If it's not a straitjacket, it's a gay jacket. Perhaps Apple users who accept the straitjacket aren't as gay as the stereotype predicts.

  27. Guest accounts by tepples · · Score: 1, Insightful

    you should just have a user account for every user on your computer.

    Including everybody who might visit and use the computer? A lot of people have only one guest account.

    1. Re:Guest accounts by jsdcnet · · Score: 1

      Why are you syncing a visitor's phone with your iTunes library?

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    2. Re:Guest accounts by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why are you syncing a visitor's phone with your iTunes library?

      Because the visitor wanted to charge his phone, and iTunes "helpfully" started. Or because I want to share one song with a given visitor.

    3. Re:Guest accounts by scream+at+the+sky · · Score: 1

      so, plug it into a wallwart, instead of a computer?

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    4. Re:Guest accounts by ToastedRhino · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why are you syncing a visitor's phone with your iTunes library?

      Because the visitor wanted to charge his phone, and iTunes "helpfully" started. Or because I want to share one song with a given visitor.

      That wouldn't do what you claim it does. The reasons are a bit convoluted, but basically, there are two ways to manage an iDevice through iTunes: 1) Automatic Syncing and 2) Manually Managing it.

      If you have it set to auto-sync, then it ties your device to a specific computer, and if you plug it into any other computer, a warning will pop up in iTunes that says, "Hey, this iDevice belongs to another computer, if you sync it here you lose everything and start over," and gives you options to cancel, sync & erase, or transfer over purchased songs that the computer is authorized to play (e.g., iTunes has the iTunes Store Account info for already) but that aren't already actually present on the computer. None of these would lead to duplicate tracks on your computer. Do nothing and the phone will charge while the dialog is up. Hit cancel and the phone will charge without syncing. It's simply not possible for the type of syncing you describe to happen in the "helpful" manner you describe. Also, in this scenario you can't transfer a single song to the user's iDevice since all syncing is automatic.

      Then there's manual management. Here, it never syncs unless you tell it to. In this case, simply plugging in the device would not cause a sync operation at all. You could (on all devices except iPhones and Shuffles), copy over a single track from your library to there iDevice in this scenario, but it wouldn't copy anything to your computer without you manually dragging it from the iDevice to your Library in iTunes.

      So basically, nothing you said makes much sense. Active intervention from the user is required to make their iDevice do anything at all with a copy of iTunes that is not their own, period. That's not to say that you didn't at some point run into a bug that led to multiple copies of tracks, but it's not happening the way you claim. iTunes just doesn't work that way.

    5. Re:Guest accounts by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The problem is the choices are abiguous at best and the consequences are hard to see. Itunes is an enigma for the normal user, and a prison for the initiated. It should be as simple as hooking my friends iDevice to my computer and dragging the song over. Hell there is no native way to share data between an iphone and an ipad in the field and you think this state of affairs is totally ok?

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    6. Re:Guest accounts by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Why are you syncing a visitor's phone with your iTunes library?

      Because the visitor wanted to charge his phone, and iTunes "helpfully" started. Or because I want to share one song with a given visitor.

      Then read the great big warning box that says "this iPhone is not connected to the iTunes library it normally uses. Do you want to sync it with this library?" [Sync with this library (warning will delete all data), [Do Not Sync]

    7. Re:Guest accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Visitor's fucking lucky that itunes no longer behaves the way i've seen it behave with early ipods in the past, completely obliterating the music collection on the visiting ipod, a friend managed to do that twice.

    8. Re:Guest accounts by kwerle · · Score: 1

      It should be as simple as hooking my friends iDevice to my computer and dragging the song over.

      I'm pretty sure that's the exact kind of behavior that the music industry required they NOT support in order to license music.

      Hell there is no native way to share data between an iphone and an ipad in the field and you think this state of affairs is totally ok?

      I'm not sure what you're suggesting, but the cloud seems to do that pretty well (whether your talking icloud, google's, or whatever). Whether you're talking about music or calendars or pictures or files you put in dropbox.

      Actually, what data ARE you talking about not being able to share?

    9. Re:Guest accounts by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The problem is the choices are abiguous at best and the consequences are hard to see. Itunes is an enigma for the normal user

      Nonsense. iTunes is designed for the normal user. It's the geeks that are used to the Windows and Linux ways of manually managing audio files that get confused.

      It should be as simple as hooking my friends iDevice to my computer and dragging the song over.

      There you go. You want it to work like your legacy device.

      Hell there is no native way to share data between an iphone and an ipad in the field and you think this state of affairs is totally ok?

      Seems you've never heard of iCloud.

    10. Re:Guest accounts by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      I had a PDF on my phone i jsut downloaded, i wanted to view it on my non cellular ipad. they both have wifi, i should be able to transfer anything between them without need of a third party, be it cloud, wifi AP, etc. They should be able to effortlessly talk to each other with no outside influence at all. They are 100% technically capable of this behavior. It may come as a surprise to you, but not all of us relish the idea of filtering our digital life thorugh the cloud unecessarily. I shouldnt have to be connected to the internet to share a pdf between 2 wifi enable computers, period.

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    11. Re:Guest accounts by kwerle · · Score: 1

      I had a PDF on my phone i jsut downloaded, i wanted to view it on my non cellular ipad...

      You're right, except that these are consumer devices. Getting consumers to understand about setting up servers, managing accessibilities to files on your device, etc. Not bloody likely. Hell, there are plenty of system admins that don't really get it.

      You're complaining about a case where one of your devices has 'net access and the other doesn't. This is becoming more and more of an edge case.

      There is a simple solution - share wifi. Mostly this means you would have to pay the phone company more money. Then you would have the same access to the PDF.

      But it sounds like you don't want a fully integrated consumer device. I recommend you make your next purchase something other than a fully integrated consumer device.

      I'm curious: do you know of any tablet or phone that does host wifi?

    12. Re:Guest accounts by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Why host wifi? What is wrong with ad-hoc? This is what ad-hoc networking is FOR. You make it sound like we havent been able to do this for a decade. If PSP could do ad-hoc full game sharing in 2004, i think an ipad level consumer device can handle ad-hoc document and file sharing in 2012. You have been trained to think, 'o just dump it to the internet', when that is a compeltely unecessary step.

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    13. Re:Guest accounts by kwerle · · Score: 1

      Of course it *can*. And you could share exactly one thing on the PSP because it was trivial (in terms of what was being shared) and a great use case. But sharing arbitrary files from your phone is a much trickier subject - with lots of privacy and security concerns that most users are not up to.

      In my book, the only real crime is that sharing your internet connection costs more.

    14. Re:Guest accounts by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      There are apps that do this behavior jsut fine. WD, OCZ all have apps to interface with their wifi hard drives over ad-hoc. I use a Synology app to pull files directly into my device from my NAS. If WD, etc can do this, WHY ISNT IT NATIVE TO THE MACHINE. Why should i need an app from a third party, signed by another party, to do something the machine is fully capable of on its own. The fact that I have to explain this to you is REALLY sad.

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  28. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Too+Many+Secrets · · Score: 0

    that's a total lie. emusic.com was selling DRM free music long before that.

  29. XY problem etiquette by tepples · · Score: 1

    it's probably because you have an XY problem

    Yet when I try to diagnose XY problems by asking "Why do you want to do Y?", I often get called a troll.

    1. Re:XY problem etiquette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because plainly asking "Why do you want to do Y?" is not helping. It can even be even frustrating since you don't know my problem but you're hinting that I'm an idiot for trying to do Y.

      Next time, add "I suspect that your problem runs deeper and can solved in a different way." or something like that. That sounds like you want to help. The plain "Why?" just sounds like you want to challenge me.

  30. Re:Major overhaul is useless: still no FLAC suppor by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is installing the Ogg plugin for QuickTime "dual stacking"? And if so, what's so wrong with dual stacking?

  31. Thats Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Killer hardware married to crap software... rendering it completely useless.

  32. Which OS-agnostic store by tepples · · Score: 1

    For one thing, I seem to remember finding a few pieces of music that are available on iTunes but unavailable or "album only" on Amazon MP3 and Google Play Store. For another, people occasionally buy entertainment works other than music. Which OS-agnostic store carries movies that can be bought, downloaded, and played offline?

    1. Re:Which OS-agnostic store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None, because they are plagued with DRM.

    2. Re:Which OS-agnostic store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      generally if i search for an artist on google, they have their music available for download somewhere else. it can take a bit too long to find sometimes, though.

    3. Re:Which OS-agnostic store by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      For one thing, I seem to remember finding a few pieces of music that are available on iTunes but unavailable or "album only" on Amazon MP3 and Google Play Store.

      Conversely, there are some things that are on Amazon MP3, but not in iTMS. You just have to live with it.

      Which OS-agnostic store carries movies that can be bought, downloaded, and played offline?

      Amazon Instant Video does that. I don't think they let you download HD videos, though - those can only be streamed. On the other hand, they have a Flash-based web streaming interface that will probably work on Linux.

    4. Re:Which OS-agnostic store by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, they have a Flash-based web streaming interface that will probably work on Linux.

      It doesn't work on my system, Ubuntu 12.10 amd64. The player shits itself with an error about upgrading flash, which of course is already as recent as it can be. It also crapped itself (just wouldn't work at all) in VMWare Player 5 with XPSP3. This would be unremarkable except that I can play Netflix in my virtual machine... yes, full screen netflix in a vm on Linux. And it works, frankly, just as well as it does on the XPSP3 HTPC in the living room, even with virtualized video and audio.

      With that said, it works great for a friend of mine who I think is on 12.04, not sure if she's running amd64 or i386 though.

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  33. Next step: fix the iPod by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got my iPod nano 1G replaced with a 6G in the battery recall program, and it feels like a downgrade.

    - The interface defaults to the useless album art screen, so that's one extra action every time you want to do anything.

    - A touchscreen is way inferior to the clickwheel. It's now impossible to operate the iPod without looking at it, even for simple things like skipping a track. So I attached a remote controller which halves its battery life.

    - the touchscreen also means that you have to press the button to wake up the screen before you can do anything. Two actions before you get to a useful screen.

    - Some idiot has decided that when you're playing music from a playlist, you then can't easily navigate back to the playlist from the default (album art) screen. You have to go all the way back to Music->Playlist->select the list you're in->scroll down to wherever you are.

    1. Re:Next step: fix the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did the same replacement program. I do like the 6G iPod Nano for its builtin FM radio and size, but I generally agree with your gripes. But I will add that, IIRC, you can set the power button to advance to the next song (or pause) somewhere within the settings.

    2. Re:Next step: fix the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much of what you describe is why I love the shuffle so much. You can use it completely blind, with one hand. 2G is a little low on space, but I really don't need to carry around my entire library with me.

    3. Re:Next step: fix the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can skip a track by double clicking the oblong "screen" button.

    4. Re:Next step: fix the iPod by cavebison · · Score: 1

      If you have so many problems with your device and its software - like it's not performing the way you'd like it to - do what I did and *not buy an iPod*.

      I have a Sansa Clip Zip. It's very small, cheap, manages songs, playlists, audiobooks, etc. I can copy to it like an external hard disk straight from my collection of MP3s - which are arranged in folders on my hard disk, because after all, they're just files. The Sansa reads all the ID info once they're copied on, and then lets me select by artists or whatever. It's not a touch device, it has actual buttons and does everything I need. You can even flash it and put on an enhanced OS than fans put together. The sound is brilliant.

      Try a different device, you may prefer it. iPods aren't the only portable music players.

    5. Re:Next step: fix the iPod by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      If you'd read my post you'd have seen that I didn't buy the 6G. I had expected to get my 1G back with a new battery.

      And yes, I'm considering replacing it with something else. Thing is, I actually like iTunes and smart playlists that automatically fill my iPod with criteria like 'not played in the last 4 weeks'. I don't want to go back to manual music management. Current front runner is a second-hand iPod Nano 5G.

  34. Its 2012 by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Everything is like that now. Best get used to it and learn to ignore it out of habit.

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  35. Linux by fa2k · · Score: 1

    Have anyone tried it under Wine yet? (the previous one didn't work at all, and it may be useful to have the MP3 store)

  36. Yes, they did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was pretty obvious to me yesterday that a new iTunes update was out. People kept contacting me asking how to "fix" iTunes so it went back to the way it used to be. It's a shame Apple can't make a decent music player, or at least make it easy to roll back to previous versions. They are doing a good job at ticking off their customers.

  37. SoundJam by Balthrop · · Score: 1

    this is astounding that this post is as old as it is and no one hast yet mentioned SoundJam, a new record I thinks.

  38. Power search in iTunes store by doginthewoods · · Score: 2

    The Power search tool, in the uTunes store is gone. For those who use this to find versions of a song, or research other tunes by artists, this is a valuable tool

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  39. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by joncbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not sad as much as stupid because Apple offers a deep discount on DRM-free repurchases of tracks previously purchased with FairPlay DRM.

    Wow, a discount for redownloading an already purchased track? How magnanimous. /sarcasm

  40. iTunes Plus upgrade by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the new copy is also encoded with a higher bitrate and presumably a new version of the encoder with a better tuned psychoacoustic model, I'd think it merits the 30 cent upgrade fee even apart from the lack of digital restrictions management.

  41. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by nine-times · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure if you're trolling or you're just uninformed.

    Personally I dislike the AAC tracks which are incompatible with everything, which is the trouble with patent encumbered formats [No MP3 has nothing like the same problems].

    I haven't had trouble playing Apple's AAC files in Windows media player or VLC, so I'm under the impression they're not too difficult to find a player for. And if anything MP3s have worse patent issues than AAC. MP3s require a licensing fee for selling encoders, decoders, and any files that are encoded with MP3. AAC, however, does not require that you may a license for encoded files.

    I also find it kind of sad that those who bought those DRM (128-bit) laden tracks are not getting those tracks either upgraded to a higher quality version...or having the DRM removed.

    Generally they have enabled users to upgrade. There are a few tracks were were sold as DRM-encumbered and then removed from the store, and some of those haven't been upgraded, but I know I can re-download my old purchases without DRM at 256kbps whenever I want.

  42. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

    Not sad as much as stupid because Apple offers a deep discount on DRM-free repurchases of tracks previously purchased with FairPlay DRM.

    So it's "we fucked you raw in the ass, but hay look here's some cream to make the soreness go away, only $9.99/application". How generous.

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  43. Audible by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    Except audible.com files don't work on the linux player I've tried.

  44. Re:Major overhaul is useless: still no FLAC suppor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    having the same record in two different formats just for itunes is stupid and wastes hd space. fluke and that plugin are old, while a native flac implementation in itunes is free (as in speech) since flac has no royalties and no hassles.

    but apple is stupid. I'd give an arm and a leg to have a windows or *nix pc with the audio capabilities of the mac.

  45. What a trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought an album with this thing last night on my iMac, and went to bed. When I got up this morning, the album was nowhere to be found in iTunes. Looking on the hard drive, nothing. After much trashing around in the newly weird interface and trying to figure out how to re-download my purchase, I discovered the music had downloaded to my iPhone. What the ? The music finally appeared on the computer after I synched the phone.

  46. Mixed bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using the windows version, it's a mixed bag.

    The album view is retarded, but switch to song view and you get the spreadsheet layout as per normal. It also puts the column browser at the top, which seems better so far - it should be able to live there full time instead of on-and-off state the side column browser had. The prefs make it easy to bring back the sidebar (with list of playlists), and turning off the store is as easy as ever.

    The search seems funked up, though; it doesn't do the full-text filtering like before, it forces you to choose your results from a drop-down list. The old search method was one of the main reasons why I liked itunes.

    Some brain-dead jackel has moved the menubar in-between the play/pause/status bar and the content section, instead of at the top where all sane programs since the beginning of time have put their menubars.

    My old pet peeve on the windows version remains - the close window box in the top right is slightly down and to the left of the top right corner of the window, so you can't just jam your mouse up and to the right and left-click to close, you have to position it just over the X. Small, but annoying.

    Also, after listening to a few tracks, a couple of them have become garbled partway through. I'm on a well-spec'd machine, so this should not happen. It's not my mp3s, either, I replayed one of the songs that garbled & it didn't garble the second time (nor had it done so previously. Worse than that, it was Aerodynamic by Daft Punk, and that is a song that you _do not_ mess with).

  47. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apparently this apple fanboi never heard of allofmp3.com

  48. Itunes 11 runs like shit on windows by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    Itunes 11 runs like shit on windows...

    Perhaps its just Apple policy to make shitty slow software for windows, but Itunes 11 fucking blows performance wise. Feature wise its of course still the best. :(

  49. how to add songs to playlist? by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    new simplified interface means I cannot view the list of all songs so I can drag them to a playlist. kinda sucks to be me.

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    1. Re:how to add songs to playlist? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      new simplified interface means I cannot view the list of all songs so I can drag them to a playlist. kinda sucks to be me.

      View > Turn On Sidebar

      Click "Music"

      In main window click "songs".

    2. Re:how to add songs to playlist? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Half way there.

      For anyone who has a large music collection, next click the
      "album" column heading, until it says "Album by Artist/Year" (ascending or descending whichever you prefer)

      I find that is the best sort for a large music collection and probably matches closest how most people physically organize their physical collection. (alpha-chronological by artist)

      Then optionally click the little "down arrow" in the "search music" box in the upper right, and deselect "search entire library" to get rid of the new popup window in there.

      Then its pretty much itunes 10 except you can't get album artwork on this list anymore, nor in the sidebar. Which sucks.

      As for itunes 11 other views:
      Album "grid" view is idiotic in nearly any scenario.
      Genre view is pretty much idiotic unless you've personally tagged your entire collection yourself.

      Artist View seems promising, but its got a few shortcomings; I'm not sold on showing small album art next to the artist. (It shows larger album art next to the album as well which I do like.) But even the small art triples the amount of space the each line in the artist list sidebar takes, and makes the artist list unwieldly. And if you have more than one album by an artist then its not really helping you much because if you are looking for a particular artist, and you skim for a particular album cover it may or may not be visible; so you have to skim the text anyway.

      It also sorts albums alphabetically, which i dislike. albums should be sorted chronologically imo.

      Finally, if the itunes screen is wide enough, it dvides the song list into 2 columns, which makes it a lot more of a chore to find a particular track -- you can't just skim down the list.

      Then

  50. Much better but annoyances still remain by theascension · · Score: 2

    I really like the redesign visually and speed wise. It's impressive since I haven't used Itunes regularly in half a decade. My main program of choice has been Foobar2000. It's instantaneous in its library even with 100 thousand songs. When I heard the new itunes was much faster and saw the beautiful screenshots I had to check it out.
    Itunes 10 opening speed with a large library was well over 15 seconds on an SSD. Itunes 11 is now around 2. Foobar2000 is about half a second, but still, very impressive.

    The minimal features are nice and your average luddite will love it. I love the new album/artist view. At times it's too minimal, for instance the hidden menu bar, you have to click a tiny button in the top left and 'enable menu bar', I'm sure that will trip many people up. The old annoyances are still there. Folder Management is still essentially manual, either add folder (after enabling old menu bar) or drag to the "add to Itunes library". To me this just seems archaic, every other music player out there will watch a folder. You have to sign up with an Apple ID to automatically search for album art! Really? The only other option is to manually 'get info' and add the album in, Itunes won't read images in folders (folder.jpg for example). Apple then embeds and mangles the audio files. I much prefer foobar, I can not only efficiently add high quality album art with an external (album art downloader) program but can have booklet/back/cd images as well.

    The other aspect is all the extra crud Apple still adds when you install the program, several extra services and processes (itunes helper, apple updater), that just serve to annoy you. Even though I have 32GB of ram it's still fairly crazy Itunes uses 300mb of ram with just 10 albums added, foobar2000 was around 50mb.Still kudos to apple for taking on their most obviously lacking product and making even me think twice about my player choice, time will tell what the future is as spotify and other services seem to be what many are moving towards.

    1. Re:Much better but annoyances still remain by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      I'm a foobar stalwart too. You can fine tune things to whatever degree imaginable, some of the layouts users have cooked up are really astonishing, and like you say, it's a real kickass program performance wise.

      iTunes? Meh. Mine sits idle except to iShop or manage the iPod.

  51. renamed Apple newsletter: Your Daily Regression by epine · · Score: 2

    Hells bells, they removed the progress bar on mini player. I don't use my partner's iMac all that much, but I do use it to manage voice diction and to sync podcasts onto our iPod. Some of my dictation files are long. Without a progress bar, it's really difficult to note and return to critical thoughts. But I only used iTunes as a stopgap measure, so I can sit back and enjoy the suffering of others more deeply invested.

    What a triumph of populist design over broad-minded utility. There's a fair amount of frustration, annoyance, and anger out there over Apple's random feature regression of the moment. I used to tell people to install Ubuntu because, you know, we had continuity all figured out. Since the Unity debacle, I keep my mouth shut.

    Apple also removed the multiple window feature. So much for workflow equity. How do people live in a world with no feature continuity? I would have never guessed at the outset of PC era thirty years ago that things could go this direction, and people would stand for it. It's pretty much my personal definition of low self-esteem to see someone suffer a major setback in their workflow equity and go "oh, well". Maybe I should have completed Learned Helplessness 101 after all. I'm starting to think it really is a life skill _and_ you save a fortune in Tums.

    The foolishness we all felt back in the day that upgrades were built on top of what you had already delivered. Turns out we could have just randomly discarded any feature that bored us or seemed inconvenient to maintain, and without any explanation to the customer, either. Shit, did we ever do things the hard way.

  52. Search is still disappointing by forrie · · Score: 1

    I'm still disappointed with the Search function. Being Apple, I would expect something a little more integrated -- in terms of being able to suss out misspellings, alternate spellings, formats, etc. Kindof like going to Beatport and trying to search for something like "Artist & Artist2 feat. Your Momma - Song Name" which it can't handle. Apple is pretty much the same - you have alter it to a couple of keywords and /usually/ you'll get a better result. But not always.

    Similarly, if you copy-and-paste from a web page and happen to catch a non-standard character, the form won't even allow you to paste into it. Instead, you have to figure out what went wrong, reselect the text and paste again.

    But, hopefully 11 is a "step" in the right direction - I wish they would pay more attention to the details, which they are infamous for... until Maps showed up ;-)

  53. Not so by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quicktime is a core part of the OS.

    No it's not. It does exactly what you would want a media-playing subsystem to do - just helps playing media.

    There's no point in removing it, but you can easily bypass or expand on it - Perian is an example plugin that adds support for additional media formats.

    And Quicktime has nothing to do with iTunes other than help it play media - but you could also use VLC.

    The iTunes library is accessed by other software

    Yes, but it's an open format that anyone can just read and convert to something else if they really wanted.

    It is about as well integrated as IE was, in that you can remove it but doing so will break things.

    What would it break? Nothing would break. That's an absurd statement. Nothing in the system would care if you removed iTunes or the library.

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    1. Re:Not so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why is a factual response to bullshit moderated "flamebait", but the bullshit it responds to is moderated "informative"?

    2. Re:Not so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try deleting iTunes, OSX won't let you. I wanted it gone since it interfered with my Plex HTPC Mac Mini.

    3. Re:Not so by Quila · · Score: 1

      No it's not. It does exactly what you would want a media-playing subsystem to do - just helps playing media.

      For OS X, it depends on what you mean by Quicktime. If you mean the player, then yes it's just a player. But Quicktime is also the name of the major subsystem in OS X responsible for audio and video handling. It's a good bet that all of the audio and video playback and encoding functions of iTunes Mac consists of calls to QTKit.

      And while iTunes isn't such a core part of the system, it is a widely used one. Deleting it will mess with the App Store, kill interoperability with an iDevice or Apple TV, and who knows what else. It would be best to leave it on the system and just not use it to manage your music.

  54. Mostly by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Did they fix the bugs, the performance issues, the crashes, the thrashing of the library, the sync issues, the poor UI, the hiding of fields when they don't work properly making it near impossible to troubleshoot, the unresponsive UI, the resource hog?

    Most of that they do seem to have fixed or at least made better. The new one is much faster for me on a large library, and also I think the UI is much better and clearer once you get used to it.

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  55. think I'll pass by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    I'll stick with DSS DJ Pro, thankyaveemuch.

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  56. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Everything but music is still wholly infested with DRM. They dont just sell music on iTunes.....

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  57. Completely ruined my windows music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collection I never ever used it again all that money down the tubes.

  58. iTunes 11 - major fail by countach · · Score: 1

    iTunes 11 is a much better media player, BUT it is a much worse media manager. For me, I just use iTunes as a media manager. The major loss is the artwork pane. That is really inexcusable. Yes, you can see the artwork IF you play the song, but like I said, I don't play songs in iTunes, I do that on IOS. I don't WANT to bother other people in the room playing songs in iTunes, I JUST want to see the artwork. This really basic functionality is just gone in iTunes 11. MAJOR FAIL. There are other inexcusable losses in iTunes 11, but that is the worst one.

  59. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    IANAn Apple user, but isn't there a way to remove drm's from Apple music, by burning the tracks to disc then copying them back from the disc?

    I stopped paying for music after cd's. Just rebuilt my mp3 collection in less than 2 months by borrowing/ripping library CDs. After having backed up over 9000 tracks to flashdrive, I'm done for awhile. :-)

    Yes, you can do that. You can also pay a small upgrade fee (about $0.20 per track in the US store I think?) to upgrade all of your prior DRM purchases to the new unencumbered versions.

  60. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    why does an itunes story have a "drm" logo when itunes was the first webstore to sell drm free music?

    Personally I dislike the AAC tracks which are incompatible with everything, which is the trouble with patent encumbered formats [No MP3 has nothing like the same problems]. I also find it kind of sad that those who bought those DRM (128-bit) laden tracks are not getting those tracks either upgraded to a higher quality version...or having the DRM removed. I think there are better stores today elsewhere, Amazon offers DRM free 256kb tracks. ...of course this does not say a lot about all the over content offered in iTunes which is still heavily DRM.

    What are you smoking and where can I get it?

    I use Apple's purchased-from-iTunes-AAC tracks in Ubuntu. Not sure how they're "incompatible with everything". Maybe I'm just imaging that they work with every (non-Apple) device I have used them on, including my cousin's Galaxy Ace (that's a mobile telephone running a popular OS based on Linux called Android).

    Have you ever used a computer before today's slashdot post? Whose account did you buy given how low the UID is?

  61. Session Expired by bidule · · Score: 1

    The bastard still requests to enter your password. You have to cancel twice every time you launch iTune.

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    1. Re:Session Expired by azav · · Score: 1

      It's called iTunes, not iTune.

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  62. Proxy fail by simplexion · · Score: 1

    Need to use iTunes 11 behind a proxy. No worries. You can't, so just don't bother. https://discussions.apple.com/message/20455396?tstart=0#20455396?tstart=0

  63. Here's the message I got: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iTunes: Click here to upgrade to iTunes 11.

    Me: No.

  64. HelveticaNeue is awful by MichaelJ · · Score: 1

    The change of font is horrible. On both my 11" MacBook air and my big 1920x1200 cinema display it looks blurry, hard to read, and is too large. I've read that it looks nice on a retina display, but for the rest of us it's illegible crap with no way to correct it except by manually editing the plist file and crossing your fingers you don't screw it up.

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  65. Fuck your modal dialogs by Swampash · · Score: 1

    Yeah you, Apple.

  66. It still sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate to say it. Despite having an Ipad, Ipod and two Mac laptops the new version of Itunes still is one of the most hated pieces of software I have. Why can't the simply design a good piece of software?

  67. Stop Downloading Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's impossible to get iTunes to stop downloading video that I've purchased through the account on my Apple TV. I have automatic downloads selected, but "TV/Movies" isn't an option block (I only have Music checked). Was hoping that would be fixed. It's not. Until that sucker is 100% downloaded, iTunes will merrily keep re-adding it to the queue if you remove it. Even if you select "Mark as Watched".

  68. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    They should be able to effortlessly talk to each other with no outside influence at all. They are 100% technically capable of this behavior.

    The whole world is happy with Dropbox style sharing, or other cloud based sharing. The fact that a device does not support your use case, which is less useful than simple dropbox-style sharing (because it only went on one other device you explicitly told it to) is not a failing of Apple or any other device maker, but of your own ability to adapt and find useful ways to work within systems that exist.

    Basically you are like "direct transfer was good enough for my grandpappy, it should be good enough for anyone". Sorry buddy but the industry moves on from past ways.

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  69. Yes, you can do that by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Can you have multiple iTunes accounts on a single device though?

    You can log out of one store account and into another. If they have iTunes match each login will get access to all of the music they own.

    If not it is fairly useless in a family situation because everyone will want their own account, but at the same time want to share family purchased apps and media.

    Apple's solution is that people have personal devices. In practice most games that save much state use gamecenter or other account mechanisms that you can switch out accounts if you want.

    I personally think the Kindle Fire has a great family/multi-account solution.

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  70. Burn through 4 GB of my cap by tepples · · Score: 1

    The fact that a device does not support your use case, which is less useful than simple dropbox-style sharing (because it only went on one other device you explicitly told it to) is not a failing of Apple or any other device maker, but of your own ability to adapt and find useful ways to work within systems that exist.

    Say I want to send 2 GB of files from one machine on a LAN to another machine on the same LAN. Why should I have to burn through 4 GB of my cap to upload the file to a server on the other end of the Internet and then download it? If being efficient with scarce resources such as Internet bandwidth constitutes "failing of [one's] own ability to adapt", then I'm fundamentally confused about something.

  71. Re:Major overhaul is useless: still no FLAC suppor by tepples · · Score: 1

    fluke and that plugin are old

    So is my NES. It still works. People even still make new games for it. Or by "old" do you specifically mean "so old that the API it uses has changed so much that it no longer works"?

  72. Don't want to re-buy it in SD by tepples · · Score: 1

    In fact only the iPad 3 & 4 do, the iPad Mini and various iPhones are all sub-HD so there is little point syncing HD media to them.

    Other than that you bought it in HD and don't want to re-buy it in SD. Or does iTunes transcode DRM'd HD video to SD?

  73. 17 USC 1008 by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you're syncing one library to devices belonging to multiple people, you're probably committing copyright infringement.

    Under which country's law? Because Slashdot is hosted in the United States, I'll assume you mean United States law. If you claim infringement merely by non-commercially reproducing works onto multiple devices within one household, how would you square that with the carve-out of 17 USC 1008?

    1. Re:17 USC 1008 by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      I'm not a lawyer, but that seems to deal with using devices to make recordings, not to make copies. For instance, recording somebody singing a song as opposed to copying an MP3.

      The wording refers to "musical recordings", and while there isn't a specific definition, you can see in 17 USC 101 that it defines sound recordings:

      âoeSound recordingsâ are works that result from the fixation of a series of musical, spoken, or other sounds, but not including the sounds accompanying a motion picture or other audiovisual work, regardless of the nature of the material objects, such as disks, tapes, or other phonorecords, in which they are embodied.

      To "make a sound recording" seems distinct to making copies of works judging by the legal definitions.

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  74. How bloated is the new Windows version? by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    Does the Windows version of iTunes still install about half a dozen auxiliary programs and background processes? The last time I tried it, things were so bad that I basically consider this program to be malware. No, I don't want Bonjour, QuickTime, Safari, or any of that crap... I just want to be able to put files on my iDevice, and unfortunately since it won't show up as an external HDD like just about everything else out there, iTunes is the only way. It's getting to the point where you pretty much need a quarantined PC just for iDevice "syncing" (a stupid term, I don't want to sync anything, I just want to move files manually).

  75. "Straw man"? Please explain how. by tepples · · Score: 1

    You claim that I have replaced the proposition with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition. What do you see as the key difference between the original proposition and the proposition that I have refuted?

  76. How many users of iOS+gamepad? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Apple is ahead on tablets (55% to Andorid's 44%).

    Is that averaged over a whole product generation, or is that just counting the effect of the recent release of the iPad mini and fourth generation iPad? If you sample after an iPad release, iOS will look ahead. If you sample after a Kindle Fire or other major Android tablet release, Android will look ahead.

    Apple is way ahead of Android on games.

    Is this still true even when you count the Super NES or Genesis cartridges that an Android device can run using a Retrode adapter and an emulator?

    iOS is actually the biggest games platform there is. Selling more games than any other platform.

    Not all video game genres are suitable for an iOS device out of the box. How many people who play games on iOS devices own external gamepads such as iControlPad or iCade, for example?

    There's an announcement of an Android console shipping next April.

    Is there any way to play games on an Apple TV, other than buying an iPod touch, iPhone, or iPad, running a game on that, and using the Apple TV just to relay the video?

    6) Tepples also wants a pony.

    Nope, I'm not the MLP:FIM fan in the family.

    1. Re:How many users of iOS+gamepad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't count emulators. Whether you're on the side of Android or iOS, if you're counting games you can emulate on your platform of choice, you're not helping. iOS had a MAME too as well as a NES emulator at one point. My PS3 can play PS1 games, and my Nintendo DS can play GameBoy Advance titles. It doesn't change the fact that there's little native to either console that interests me. Seriously, if we're going to have a pissing contest over emulators, I suspect Surface and Windows Phone 8 will win out soon enough.

      Who cares if Apple TV can play video games? Why must everything play video games? You know, Samsung makes a DLSR that plays video games too.

    2. Re:How many users of iOS+gamepad? by tepples · · Score: 1

      iOS had a MAME too as well as a NES emulator at one point.

      In jailbreak, or through the App Store? I doubt it was through the App Store unless the emulator came with one game and was locked to run only the game it came with, like the emulators that run Virtual Console games on Wii.

      Seriously, if we're going to have a pissing contest over emulators, I suspect Surface and Windows Phone 8 will win out soon enough.

      Those have almost the same App Store lockdown as iOS, as I understand it.

      Who cares if Apple TV can play video games? Why must everything play video games?

      Because BasilBrush claims that "iOS is actually the biggest games platform there is," and because Apple has in the past promoted the iPod touch as an alternative to a DS or PSP.

    3. Re:How many users of iOS+gamepad? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Is that averaged over a whole product generation, or is that just counting the effect of the recent release of the iPad mini and fourth generation iPad?

      It;s the most recent one that came up in Google News when I searched for tablet market share. Looking again, it's ABI research, and it's tablet market share for Q3 2012. So it's the quarter before the introduction of the iPad Mini and iPad 4. So rather than benefitting iOS, actually it underplays their current sales.

      Note that Android has NEVER been ahead in tablet sales.

      Is this still true even when you count the Super NES or Genesis cartridges that an Android device can run using a Retrode adapter and an emulator?

      Yes. SNES and Genesis games will amount to a few hundred titles. The App Store has tens or hundreds of thousands of games (700,000 apps all together, the leading category being games.) But in any case you're showing you're desperation by bringing emulated games into it.

      Not all video game genres are suitable for an iOS device out of the box.

      Equally not all game genres are suitable for TV consoles or buttoned controllers. Again, you're showing desperation.

      Is there any way to play games on an Apple TV, other than buying an iPod touch, iPhone, or iPad, running a game on that, and using the Apple TV just to relay the video?

      Is there any way to play iOS games on a TV, other than the standard way of playing iOS games on a TV? Duh!

      And you seem to be under the impression that TV consoles are the market leaders. That's not the case. There are more people playing games on iPhones - on their daily commute for example.

      Nope, I'm not the MLP:FIM fan in the family.

      I've no idea what that means; it must be pony fanboy talk. ;-)

    4. Re:How many users of iOS+gamepad? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Who cares if Apple TV can play video games? Why must everything play video games?

      Because BasilBrush claims that "iOS is actually the biggest games platform there is," and because Apple has in the past promoted the iPod touch as an alternative to a DS or PSP.

      Which is of relevance to the iPhone, not the Apple TV.

      The really funny thing is you're getting excited about a just announced console that only exists as a kickstarter project. And you think that's going to turn everything around. Most consoles fail. The big 3 console companies find the market difficult enough. Virtually all of these consoles from a poorly funded startup fail.

      Don't you realise how ridiculous your hopes look?

    5. Re:How many users of iOS+gamepad? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Equally not all game genres are suitable for TV consoles or buttoned controllers.

      So what do you recommend for developers who wish to develop a game in a genre that is suitable for buttoned controllers but are not yet ready to qualify under Sony's or Nintendo's criteria? You appear to acknowledge that iOS is unsuitable but claim that this does not count as a strike against iOS.

      Is there any way to play iOS games on a TV, other than the standard way of playing iOS games on a TV? Duh!

      What I'm trying to say is that the standard way of playing iOS games on a TV is noticeably more expensive than the forthcoming standard way of playing Android games on a TV.

      Nope, I'm not the MLP:FIM fan in the family.

      I've no idea what that means

      Google mlp fim produces this article on the first page. I just wondered what the pony fandom had to do with anything.

    6. Re:How many users of iOS+gamepad? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      So what do you recommend for developers who wish to develop a game in a genre that is suitable for buttoned controllers but are not yet ready to qualify under Sony's or Nintendo's criteria?

      I'm not a games developers advisory service. What does this have to do with the topic? Trying to change the subject?

      You appear to acknowledge that iOS is unsuitable but claim that this does not count as a strike against iOS.

      You appear to acknowledge that the Android console will be useless for touch based games. (Yes, this is stupid and off-topic, just as your comment was. That's my point.)

      What I'm trying to say is that the standard way of playing iOS games on a TV is noticeably more expensive than the forthcoming standard way of playing Android games on a TV.

      $99 vs $99. No difference. Then again, the Android console price is only projected - it might go up... if the device ever ships at all. And the Android console will only run the few specially made games, vs the 10s or hundreds of thousands of games of iOS.

      Are you getting the message yet how dumb your hopes of console turning everything around are?

  77. Buying multiple copies of a game for a household by tepples · · Score: 1

    But then you have to buy the same stuff four or five times so everyone in the family can have it.

    You have to do that anyway with video games because very few PC games support same-screen multiplayer or even spawn installation.

  78. Or read your link by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    With a simple program you can easily work around the proxy issue, as explained in the only response to the link you posted.

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    1. Re:Or read your link by simplexion · · Score: 1

      ...on a Mac. It also ignores the fact that previous versions did work.

  79. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    Apparently this apple fanboi never heard of allofmp3.com

    That may be the case, but it was pushing into a legal gray zone in Russia and eventually, by pressure from the media companies, got shut down.

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  80. Redeem iTunes gift cards through webcam! by antdude · · Score: 1

    I saw this on a newsgroup post earlier today:

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: Re: iTunes 11 now available
    Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:38:19 -0500
    From: JF Mezei
    Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com
    Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system
    References:

    Found an interesting tidbit:

    > http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/30/apple-rolls-out-a-cleaner-itunes/?src=recg

    ##
    You can now redeem iTunes gift cards without having to type in that
    723-digit code number. Just hold the bar code up to your computerâ(TM)s
    Webcam; iTunes does the rest.
    ##

    That is neat.

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  81. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    It should also be noted that AAC is to MPEG4 video, what MP3 is to MPEG1 video.

    One thing I always found odd were the personal media payers that could play MPEG4 video, but couldn't play back AAC based tracks.

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  82. Those terms refer to a phonorecord by tepples · · Score: 1

    Definitions are in 17 USC 1001: "digital musical recording" and "analog musical recording" refer to a phonorecord, or what is commonly called a "copy" (because it is analogous to a copy of any work other than a sound recording).

  83. Re:Major overhaul is useless: still no FLAC suppor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by "old" i mean buggy support for 10.8.

    as a dude who earns a living with audio, flac is the best cross platform lossless format. a native implementation of flac into itunes would be quick and painless, but no. they want to enforce alac. i simply refuse to use alac and use clementine to read flac on the mac without problems. but it's a shitty move on apple part anyway, not like alac is going anywhere and not like serious people are using alac, they could easily throw the towel and admit alac is stupid and flac is better.

  84. Re:uhh excuse me but wtf by nine-times · · Score: 1

    One thing I always found odd were the personal media payers that could play MPEG4 video, but couldn't play back AAC based tracks.

    Such a thing is technically possible, since an MPEG4 container can hold a variety of codecs, and so not all MPEG4 files are the same.

    But yes, there has been some misunderstanding. People seem to think that AAC is a proprietary Apple codec. In reality, the standard is made by MPEG, the same group that made the MP3 standard. It is at least as open, and at least as much of a standard. MP3 is not without patent issues.

  85. Apple in-app purchasing by tepples · · Score: 1

    You could just as well ask why Google Play is not available on iOS devices.

    That's because of Apple's requirement to use its own in-app purchasing framework, which gives Apple a 30% cut. The record labels expect to take 70% of gross, which would leave Google with no way to cover its own costs. Google likewise takes a cut of payments through applications distributed through Google Play Store, but unlike on iOS, practically all Android devices allow loading applications through "Unknown sources".

    In the meantime, Amazon offers music and video services with (re-)downloading and streaming, and clients available for both iOS and Android

    I've been mostly happy with Amazon MP3 on my Android device. But I tried searching for "Anyone at All" by Carole King, and the song was only available as part of the $10 You've Got Mail bundle.

    1. Re:Apple in-app purchasing by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I very much doubt that, if Apple were to rescind its 30% cut for in-app purchases, Google would have ported Play. They don't seem to be in a rush to port many of their other services, either. For example, there's still no official Google Talk app (and all unofficial ones suck). And where are the promised Maps? And remember how long it took them to come up with GMail and G+ apps?

  86. Re:Major overhaul is useless: still no FLAC suppor by tepples · · Score: 1

    Or by "old" do you specifically mean "so old that the API it uses has changed so much that it no longer works"?

    by "old" i mean buggy support for 10.8.

    Thank you for clarifying.

    as a dude who earns a living with audio, flac is the best cross platform lossless format. a native implementation of flac into itunes would be quick and painless, but no. they want to enforce alac.

    I agree with you that I'd prefer that Apple support FLAC, but for the sake of completeness: In what noticeable way is FLAC better? Apple Lossless has been distributed as free software under the Apache license for the past year.

  87. IOS device/app management still sucks by danpritts · · Score: 1

    They have not changed the App/home screen management options for iphones & ipads. You still can't resize the viewable area so you can see ALL of your iphone screens. It uses something like 640x480 on my 1920x1200 monitor. There is still no logical link from managing your apps on your device to managing your local app library. I have some crappy old app, i see it in the iphone management screen. I think, i should delete that. The only way to do so is exit the screen to go manage my local library, and delete it there. I haven't tested this for sure, but I bet there is still no way to save a layout/set of apps and locations. More times than I'd like I've had to do a full reset, and then manually rearrange all my apps. Doing a restore from backup is not a solution; that restores whatever was borked, requiring a reset.

  88. yes but it blows the sound quality by danpritts · · Score: 1

    you can do this, but you lose a lot of quality. YOu are taking a lossy-compressed file, uncompressing it, and then lossy-compress it again. Without the original full version the lossy compression ends up worse.

  89. iTunes DJ/ Up Next by dwightk · · Score: 1

    I miss iTunes DJ, I guess I'll have to learn how to interact with Up Next instead.

    With apple sometimes these transitions are easy and for the better (e.g. almost every radical change I remember in Safari), sometimes they are just annoying and remain so (e.g. removal of whatever the grid multi-desktop ui was called... screens or something)

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  90. Visually hideous by azav · · Score: 1

    Simply put, the interface is visually hideous. The indicator that tells you which part(s) of the screen you can drag to resize the window are missing, the look and fonts are different from every other part of the Mac interface and the precedent it set - and what people are used to.

    The gradation looks like something done by a high school student in Photoshop.

    It's just simply bad.

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  91. Apple TV + iPod touch: $398 by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then again, the Android console price is only projected - it might go up

    How will the price go up for people who lock in a preorder today?

    $99 vs $99. No difference.

    Apple TV + iPod touch: $398. Apple TV + iPad mini: $428. To be fair, if you want to play touch games, you need a tablet too, but a Nexus 7 is a bit cheaper than an iPad mini.

    And the Android console will only run the few specially made games

    It won't launch with as many games as the iPod touch currently has, I'll grant you that. And to be fair, I just edited Wikipedia's article about Ouya to remove a spurious claim that it'd have access to Google Play Store. But I was under the impression that in addition to specially made games, it'd launch with a large selection of OnLive games, and porting any Android game that supports iControlPad or iCade would be an easy task.