64bit linux? That has to be worse than linux itself. Not only are there no apps for linux and its hard to use... i cant imagine limiting myself to 64bit linux. Thats gotta be limbo
64bit windows is a vast wasteland as well. But atleast it has a chance if MS got behind it. I guess they wont be though. I dont think they care enough about technology to make that really happen. Thats the nice thing about linux, the people behind it, and in front of it, LOVE technology. So much they make their own. I admire that. But its not enough.
MS owns the world. We're all in trouble meanwhile:)
How about free public tax payer cell phone service? Free Wifi as well. Lets just use tax dollars to run these services and fuck'n put an end to the companies and their tricks. We dont need the bullshit, we just need our services!
I tolerate so little from these companies now. I block all ads in firefox. I harrass phone sales people. I absolutely hate our government and how little it cares for our civilization. Civic Duty is lost. There is no hope. We are cash batteries. Buy buy buy.
Want a cell phone? You have to not only pay, but you have to do and put up with whatever they say or do to you.
Cars should come with ads on them. Why should you be allowed to drive a car with all of that open space on it just begging to be plastered with advertisements like a stock car?
How dare you not tatoo the name of your favorite beverage on your face in a sign of faith?! Dont you love coca cola?! How dare you!?!
Fuck it all, burn it down and start with your children. Teach them that this shit is not acceptable and we're no longer playing this game.
Pay up you foolish bastards. Keep paying these fucking people "ooooh i cant live without a cell phone"... YES YOU CAN. Fuck these companies and their bullshit. NO THANK YOU. I'll buy a shitty pay by the minute phone with a piss poor lcd with no net access, and i'll GET JUST WHAT I WANT... A TELEPHONE.
Forget these companies. God. Stop paying them for these products. They OWN YOU.
Replace Cell phone with... Verizon FIOS. "WE'll force ads to pop up on your desktop with verizon fios" How fucking insane would that be? YAH! they should do it!
atleast apple has apps. Linux can push all it wants but it still lacks the apps people use.
Most people dont see linux apps on store shelves, or hardware devices that mention linux support.
When you buy an apple, atleast you know what you're getting into.
Linux is too wiggly for people:) Which linux do the masses go to? Which UI do they use?
You said Office 2007 is a training nightmare, and yet you think linux is EASIER for the average person to grasp? Its a completely different world. Which of the thousands of Gui's will they easily learn? Which office apps will they use on linux? Who will teach buisness users all of linux's command line techniques?
Linux is a beast, and it is very wild, unguided, and not easy to tame for non programming types. AND it lacks the applications and off the shelf hardware support.
Shit, i cant even get XP 64 bit drivers for most hardware, and you want people to go linux? I'm praying Vista 64bit gets full mandatory driver support. I hope MS makes it mandatory.
OSX is a much better alternative than linux for general users. Apple has spent its entire existance trying to make computers easier to use from an interface point of view.
Im curious, are there more apple users than linux users at this point? Or the other way around?
Vista is a nightmare for consumers. I'm happy they moved the gui to the graphics hardware. It's about dam time. But the drm stuff... no thank you.
I want to run Vista. I want to try the new gui. I want to feel how fast or slow Vista is. I want to experience just how much the new copy protection schemes get in the way. I want to try it because I have no other choice other than to keep running XP. We are PC users, and we run Windows. Our apps, our hardware are made for windows. Linux as a windows replacement is a pipedream. For some it works well. For the rest, it's not ready.
I worked for a game company a few years ago, developing a windows game. For the hell of it, we said "lets support linux" and we developed the game on linux as well out of hope. Hope that things could change, and the idea that we should stand up and do it because it feels right. So we did. Linux got to enjoy our game as well as window users. We took the initiative did what most hardware vendors, and software companies like ADOBE should do. BUT THEY DONT. They dont care, they dont want to spend the money. Linux is not a real alternative because these companies do not want to support it.
Do linux coders work on linux out of some ambition to profit? Adobe sure as hell does. I dont think Adobe as the same devotion as your average linux coder.
Linux is a religion, Adobe is not a beleiver.
Again we put our game out on linux because we beleived in giving free market a chance. That as computer users ourselves, it would be nice to see an alternative to windows. We put forth the effort that Adobe isnt even willing to do.
Thats the kind of effort it takes to really push linux. The major software and hardware companies need to say "screw it... we're gonna try this for a while. Every hardware and our major software packages that we work on for these next 3 years, will be aimed at supporting linux as well as windows. We'll see how well our products are received. We'll see how many dl the linux drivers for our printers. We'll see what happens because we want to make sure that if there is a market shift, that we're ready for it."
"Vista - it's a trap thing, really. Break out as long as you can."
And go where?
Linux? Are you serious? It has little to no apps. It's not going to win over developers because they LIKE that MS is trying to DRM everything up nice and tight. They dont want you to control, crack, etc their software.
Windows is strengthening their position with developers, media creators by doing this. Yes it sucks. Linux is slipping further behind by the second. I need apps that are only on windows. I dont need windows, but i need those apps.... therefore i sadly need windows.
Linux is not a realistic alternative. OSX perhaps... but the apps i need arent even on osx.
thats all fine and dandy, but i cant add more than 4gigs to my systems with 32bit windows. It becomes useless. I render data that barely fits into 4gigs. Look at ILM with Pirates2, they went 64bit. The 4gig ram limit is easily reached in my field. Anyone using photoshop even would benefit from more addressable ram. Its time to 64bit. But when you render todays latest and greatest 3d characters, with high resolution displacement maps, subdiv geometry, high res maps in the 4k to 8k range, some per limb on a character etc... then cram that all through mental ray or renderman...
64bit is needed badly.
Its just getting hard to go 64bit cause hardware venders dont feel like supporting it. I guess we're alone in the high end world, with little help from the world:)
"If for nothing else, they should be applauded for their efforts."
For the price and hassle of a Windows License, their results should be applauded, and not their efforts.
We pay for their results. If their results suck, we do not applaud them for their efforts. They are a monopoly.
6 years, and you want us to be grateful for their efforts alone as if they're doing us a favor by making us pay for a DRM locked down OS that requires nearly twice the computer to run?
Frankly the vista UI blows. Who designs this shit at MS? They're horrible. Take a look at some of the nicer UI's out there in applications and ask them to come up with shit.
Look at vista's graphics viewing ui. Have they even seen programs like Apeture or lightroom? You dont view pictures against a white background in photography. The surrounding white plays with your perception of the images color. It should be more neutral gray, or black.
As a 3d artist, i dont care at all for xp's build in graphic capabilities, or Vistas. They really need to take this shit seriously and start acting like a high end os. You dont see Apple lacking tiff support in the OS. Quicktime is still better integrated into the os in osx. How about HDR? TGA? PIC?
Windows media player is a peice of shit and still is. They just dont get it. A media player application needs to be robust, compact, and easy to use. They dumb it down, make it simple, and instead try to get us to buy music from it.
Ask an animator which media player they use on windows... It's not a microsoft product. It never has been because MS for the past fucking 10+years has had no ability to deliver a real media player.
A billion dollar fucking operating system company can not deliver a true media player...
"If I need "insane" graphics, I'll get another 7900GTX and SLI it when the time comes"
PC gaming is dead. SLI 7900GTX is over kill for a pc when there are so few games that really even need that much power.
Everything most of you said makes sense. Yes its a new way to play games... blah blah blah. We all know that. Cut through the marketing bs and get to the point... IS IT ENOUGH?
Is it enough to save Nintendo's Wii? Is it enough to provide a diverse library of games on the Wii. Again, Sony and MS could easily develope a similar or better input device... and still have a bigger market share.
Is it enough? We'll find out. But This statement about being happy about 3rd place is bullshit. They're happy that they're still around and surviving as a company but they are not happy about being in 3rd place.
They couldnt compete because they didnt want to spend the money... cause it would have hurt their company. Smart move? sounds like it. But Nintendo is admitting defeat and they are in effect taking themselves out of the fight.
Gamecube was a failure. I'm not talking about the buisness of the gamecube, i'm talking about the interest in it.
It was a failure. You think Nintendo really likes being second to Sony? How about third to Microsoft? You really think the mighty Nintendo is happy that has to take the buisness model of the V-tech video gaming system to compete? (Ok thats harsh) My point is they're pulling away from the gaming scene in some respects. They cant compete with Sony's ambitious custom hardware developement, or Xbox360's deep pockets.
Believe me, they know that they cant compete with the hardware. If they could, they might have tried.
I didnt say it was a bad move to try something new. Infact i applaud them for it greatly. I really hope the Wii is an incredible experience that lasts beyond the initial gimmick honeymoon phase. I really do. I'd like to try a Wii (friends have them bought for their children on xmas and cant open them) I'm looking forward to a new way of playing games. Can nintendo bring that? Perhaps...
Is it enough to hurt Sony and Microsoft? no. Is it enough to keep Nintendo alive in the home console market? not so sure about that. Sony and Microsoft could easily release a better, more developed controller device with similar/even more features... and still have a console that is by far superior.
My point is... i dont think its enough. It may be... and they may have convinced themselves that its ok to be last place in gaming... But thats really the beginning of the end of Nintendo has a serious gaming company if they're happy being last.... Cause the consumers are basically saying "you're not what i really want..."
Thats not good for nintendo. That controller is going to save their console division? Thats one hell of a gamble.
Of course nintendo isnt hurting money wise too much... just not the same deep pockets. Hell the DS is doing great. Better than Sony's PSP which Sony and developers seem to have forgotten about.
Its just not good for Nintendo. This is nintendo we're talkign about... the great nintendo... they seem content with being last and less desirable? Thats bullshit. They cant compete with the hardware, so they're tyring a different strategy. It's not a bad one.... but is it enough?
It seems like nintendo is already accepting that they will be in last place... That just doesnt sound good to me. If they keep their buisness going and running, employees employed, etc... so be it. In the end that matters just as much. But dont tell me they're happy with 3rd place:) We'll see how happy they are in 2 years.
The Neo Geo, while not at all succesful in the home market, has maintained a high price to this day, due to its popularity. There are games that still go for hundreds of dollars. The Neo Geo is perhaps the longest suriving console ever invented. It is still highly popular today, despite emulation, and availability of roms online. The hardware is still in demand by gamers.
Its funny how those in power, arent interested in limiting themselves... even though that is the job we trust them with doing.
For example.. give me the power to make my own movie... huge budgets, endless cash... i'll do as i want, as i please because its what i want and what i see fit.... But whos fault is it? I was given power to make a movie... I did it my way... you dont like it? Tough. I can bullshit the guy that gave me the power to make a movie, and win him over onto my side by telling him how nice is family is, and how adorable his new baby is. I can win him over by playing around of golf with him and say i'm just like him... and yap endlessly about how i love golf, when really i only play it to make buisness deals and could careless...
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64bit linux? That has to be worse than linux itself. Not only are there no apps for linux and its hard to use... i cant imagine limiting myself to 64bit linux. Thats gotta be limbo
:)
64bit windows is a vast wasteland as well. But atleast it has a chance if MS got behind it. I guess they wont be though. I dont think they care enough about technology to make that really happen. Thats the nice thing about linux, the people behind it, and in front of it, LOVE technology. So much they make their own. I admire that. But its not enough.
MS owns the world. We're all in trouble meanwhile
Who really needs a cell phone anyways?
How about free public tax payer cell phone service? Free Wifi as well. Lets just use tax dollars to run these services and fuck'n put an end to the companies and their tricks. We dont need the bullshit, we just need our services!
I tolerate so little from these companies now. I block all ads in firefox. I harrass phone sales people. I absolutely hate our government and how little it cares for our civilization. Civic Duty is lost. There is no hope. We are cash batteries. Buy buy buy.
Want a cell phone? You have to not only pay, but you have to do and put up with whatever they say or do to you.
Cars should come with ads on them. Why should you be allowed to drive a car with all of that open space on it just begging to be plastered with advertisements like a stock car?
How dare you not tatoo the name of your favorite beverage on your face in a sign of faith?! Dont you love coca cola?! How dare you!?!
Fuck it all, burn it down and start with your children. Teach them that this shit is not acceptable and we're no longer playing this game.
Really Slashdot has ads? Hmm wouldnt know, i cant see them.
They will all be doing it. Thank fucking google for that.
They can do what they want with you, when they want. You are nothing. PAY UP or fuck off. That is the way this world works.
Grab a gun and kill something. Maybe then things will change.
You lose! You get nothing! Good day sir...
Pay up you foolish bastards. Keep paying these fucking people "ooooh i cant live without a cell phone"... YES YOU CAN. Fuck these companies and their bullshit. NO THANK YOU. I'll buy a shitty pay by the minute phone with a piss poor lcd with no net access, and i'll GET JUST WHAT I WANT... A TELEPHONE.
Forget these companies. God. Stop paying them for these products. They OWN YOU.
Replace Cell phone with... Verizon FIOS. "WE'll force ads to pop up on your desktop with verizon fios" How fucking insane would that be? YAH! they should do it!
atleast apple has apps. Linux can push all it wants but it still lacks the apps people use.
:) Which linux do the masses go to? Which UI do they use?
Most people dont see linux apps on store shelves, or hardware devices that mention linux support.
When you buy an apple, atleast you know what you're getting into.
Linux is too wiggly for people
You said Office 2007 is a training nightmare, and yet you think linux is EASIER for the average person to grasp? Its a completely different world. Which of the thousands of Gui's will they easily learn? Which office apps will they use on linux? Who will teach buisness users all of linux's command line techniques?
Linux is a beast, and it is very wild, unguided, and not easy to tame for non programming types. AND it lacks the applications and off the shelf hardware support.
Shit, i cant even get XP 64 bit drivers for most hardware, and you want people to go linux? I'm praying Vista 64bit gets full mandatory driver support. I hope MS makes it mandatory.
OSX is a much better alternative than linux for general users. Apple has spent its entire existance trying to make computers easier to use from an interface point of view.
Im curious, are there more apple users than linux users at this point? Or the other way around?
Vista is a nightmare for consumers. I'm happy they moved the gui to the graphics hardware. It's about dam time. But the drm stuff... no thank you.
I want to run Vista. I want to try the new gui. I want to feel how fast or slow Vista is. I want to experience just how much the new copy protection schemes get in the way. I want to try it because I have no other choice other than to keep running XP. We are PC users, and we run Windows. Our apps, our hardware are made for windows. Linux as a windows replacement is a pipedream. For some it works well. For the rest, it's not ready.
I worked for a game company a few years ago, developing a windows game. For the hell of it, we said "lets support linux" and we developed the game on linux as well out of hope. Hope that things could change, and the idea that we should stand up and do it because it feels right. So we did. Linux got to enjoy our game as well as window users. We took the initiative did what most hardware vendors, and software companies like ADOBE should do. BUT THEY DONT. They dont care, they dont want to spend the money. Linux is not a real alternative because these companies do not want to support it.
Do linux coders work on linux out of some ambition to profit? Adobe sure as hell does. I dont think Adobe as the same devotion as your average linux coder.
Linux is a religion, Adobe is not a beleiver.
Again we put our game out on linux because we beleived in giving free market a chance. That as computer users ourselves, it would be nice to see an alternative to windows. We put forth the effort that Adobe isnt even willing to do.
Thats the kind of effort it takes to really push linux. The major software and hardware companies need to say "screw it... we're gonna try this for a while. Every hardware and our major software packages that we work on for these next 3 years, will be aimed at supporting linux as well as windows. We'll see how well our products are received. We'll see how many dl the linux drivers for our printers. We'll see what happens because we want to make sure that if there is a market shift, that we're ready for it."
Not going to happen.
Live with Vista and dual boot to Linux
And go where?
Linux? Are you serious? It has little to no apps. It's not going to win over developers because they LIKE that MS is trying to DRM everything up nice and tight. They dont want you to control, crack, etc their software.
Windows is strengthening their position with developers, media creators by doing this. Yes it sucks. Linux is slipping further behind by the second. I need apps that are only on windows. I dont need windows, but i need those apps.... therefore i sadly need windows.
Linux is not a realistic alternative. OSX perhaps... but the apps i need arent even on osx.
Where do we go?
VISTA. Life sucks.
Yin and Twat.
Fuck Senator John McCain and his Obscenity Law... Fuck him... Fuck his daughter, fuck his mother, fuck his father, fuck his grandchildren.
Fuck every McCain in the galaxy.... hard.
You would think having a broken leg as a POW, being tortured, having your teeth kicked in by the enemy, would be enough for him to appreciate Freedom.
FUCK YOU JOHN McCAIN. VOTE NO.
I love the name. The irony of Melinda and Bill Gates and their charitable ways vs Microsoft and their overpriced DRM anti consumer rights OS.
Thank you Xvid and H.264 Divx isnt really needed now :)
Fucking nazi's run this country.
Enough. Burn the fucking thing down and rebuild it with legos.
thats all fine and dandy, but i cant add more than 4gigs to my systems with 32bit windows. It becomes useless. I render data that barely fits into 4gigs. Look at ILM with Pirates2, they went 64bit. The 4gig ram limit is easily reached in my field. Anyone using photoshop even would benefit from more addressable ram. Its time to 64bit. But when you render todays latest and greatest 3d characters, with high resolution displacement maps, subdiv geometry, high res maps in the 4k to 8k range, some per limb on a character etc... then cram that all through mental ray or renderman...
:)
64bit is needed badly.
Its just getting hard to go 64bit cause hardware venders dont feel like supporting it. I guess we're alone in the high end world, with little help from the world
Shouldnt we all be going 64bit about yesterday?
I hit ram limits all the time as a 3d animator... I want to go 64bit windows but no manufacturer seems to give a fuck about 64bit drivers.
AND many apps are still 32bit. Adobe.. where's your 64bit photoshop you dolphin cunts.
"If for nothing else, they should be applauded for their efforts."
For the price and hassle of a Windows License, their results should be applauded, and not their efforts.
We pay for their results. If their results suck, we do not applaud them for their efforts. They are a monopoly.
6 years, and you want us to be grateful for their efforts alone as if they're doing us a favor by making us pay for a DRM locked down OS that requires nearly twice the computer to run?
Frankly the vista UI blows. Who designs this shit at MS? They're horrible. Take a look at some of the nicer UI's out there in applications and ask them to come up with shit.
Look at vista's graphics viewing ui. Have they even seen programs like Apeture or lightroom? You dont view pictures against a white background in photography. The surrounding white plays with your perception of the images color. It should be more neutral gray, or black.
As a 3d artist, i dont care at all for xp's build in graphic capabilities, or Vistas. They really need to take this shit seriously and start acting like a high end os. You dont see Apple lacking tiff support in the OS. Quicktime is still better integrated into the os in osx. How about HDR? TGA? PIC?
Windows media player is a peice of shit and still is. They just dont get it. A media player application needs to be robust, compact, and easy to use. They dumb it down, make it simple, and instead try to get us to buy music from it.
Ask an animator which media player they use on windows... It's not a microsoft product. It never has been because MS for the past fucking 10+years has had no ability to deliver a real media player.
A billion dollar fucking operating system company can not deliver a true media player...
VISTA WILL CURE ALL.
right.
"If I need "insane" graphics, I'll get another 7900GTX and SLI it when the time comes"
PC gaming is dead. SLI 7900GTX is over kill for a pc when there are so few games that really even need that much power.
Everything most of you said makes sense. Yes its a new way to play games... blah blah blah. We all know that. Cut through the marketing bs and get to the point... IS IT ENOUGH?
Is it enough to save Nintendo's Wii? Is it enough to provide a diverse library of games on the Wii. Again, Sony and MS could easily develope a similar or better input device... and still have a bigger market share.
Is it enough? We'll find out. But This statement about being happy about 3rd place is bullshit. They're happy that they're still around and surviving as a company but they are not happy about being in 3rd place.
They couldnt compete because they didnt want to spend the money... cause it would have hurt their company. Smart move? sounds like it. But Nintendo is admitting defeat and they are in effect taking themselves out of the fight.
The Wii isnt even HD. Thats crazy.
Gamecube was a failure. I'm not talking about the buisness of the gamecube, i'm talking about the interest in it.
.... but is it enough?
:) We'll see how happy they are in 2 years.
It was a failure. You think Nintendo really likes being second to Sony? How about third to Microsoft? You really think the mighty Nintendo is happy that has to take the buisness model of the V-tech video gaming system to compete? (Ok thats harsh) My point is they're pulling away from the gaming scene in some respects. They cant compete with Sony's ambitious custom hardware developement, or Xbox360's deep pockets.
Believe me, they know that they cant compete with the hardware. If they could, they might have tried.
I didnt say it was a bad move to try something new. Infact i applaud them for it greatly. I really hope the Wii is an incredible experience that lasts beyond the initial gimmick honeymoon phase. I really do. I'd like to try a Wii (friends have them bought for their children on xmas and cant open them) I'm looking forward to a new way of playing games. Can nintendo bring that? Perhaps...
Is it enough to hurt Sony and Microsoft? no. Is it enough to keep Nintendo alive in the home console market? not so sure about that. Sony and Microsoft could easily release a better, more developed controller device with similar/even more features... and still have a console that is by far superior.
My point is... i dont think its enough. It may be... and they may have convinced themselves that its ok to be last place in gaming... But thats really the beginning of the end of Nintendo has a serious gaming company if they're happy being last.... Cause the consumers are basically saying "you're not what i really want..."
Thats not good for nintendo. That controller is going to save their console division? Thats one hell of a gamble.
Of course nintendo isnt hurting money wise too much... just not the same deep pockets. Hell the DS is doing great. Better than Sony's PSP which Sony and developers seem to have forgotten about.
Its just not good for Nintendo. This is nintendo we're talkign about... the great nintendo... they seem content with being last and less desirable? Thats bullshit. They cant compete with the hardware, so they're tyring a different strategy. It's not a bad one
It seems like nintendo is already accepting that they will be in last place... That just doesnt sound good to me. If they keep their buisness going and running, employees employed, etc... so be it. In the end that matters just as much. But dont tell me they're happy with 3rd place
Its that simple. Nintendo cant compete on the hardware level. Nintendo barely even makes their own games these days.
:)
All they did was buy motion sensing technology and designed a controller. They should just release it for PS3 and 360, and sell it for $200
The Neo Geo, while not at all succesful in the home market, has maintained a high price to this day, due to its popularity. There are games that still go for hundreds of dollars. The Neo Geo is perhaps the longest suriving console ever invented. It is still highly popular today, despite emulation, and availability of roms online. The hardware is still in demand by gamers.
I doubt the PS3 will last that long...
at one point, the brand name IPOD meant nothing also.
Blu Ray will do just fine.
everything old becomes new once again... just like bell bottoms
we could survive without china... well we could have...
But business has traded morals and ethics for profit.
We are all in trouble in the long run.
If i could only mod you +5 Funny :) I'm not sure how many got that ;)
Sammo Hung rules!
Its funny how those in power, arent interested in limiting themselves... even though that is the job we trust them with doing.
For example.. give me the power to make my own movie... huge budgets, endless cash... i'll do as i want, as i please because its what i want and what i see fit.... But whos fault is it? I was given power to make a movie... I did it my way... you dont like it? Tough. I can bullshit the guy that gave me the power to make a movie, and win him over onto my side by telling him how nice is family is, and how adorable his new baby is. I can win him over by playing around of golf with him and say i'm just like him... and yap endlessly about how i love golf, when really i only play it to make buisness deals and could careless...
Thats our government.