Do Brazil, Russia, India, and South Africa (4 of the BRICS) also need to approve? All 200 or so countries of the world?
This is partly answered in the article. It says that the deal had to be approved by various regulators, and mentions Israel and Taiwan along with the US, EU and China. I'm sure there were others - China, Israel and Taiwan were mentioned in the article as they seemed to be the laggards in the approval process.
. .., and in some places like the U.K. now, things like consensual bondage/S&M pornography.
Have you got a citation for this? Being from the UK I realised that CP ('indecent images of children', whether photographic or not) and zoophilia (bestiality) were illegal, but not bondage/S&M.
OK, yes, I know it is Wikipeda, and I know the "image" is from the 70s (I remember seeing the album in the 70s in a record store), yet, as the article states, it could be (and is) considered indecent. The article itself goes into more details.
Oh, and I doubt anyone will be "done" for viewing it, but then IANAL!
Some citations would be useful. If what you say is true then it is indeed worrying. However we need to know the full details in order to confront the issue.
I know the GPLv3 is better for covering patents, but (IANAL) even with GPLv2 wouldn't it prove problematic for a patent holder to distribute GPL works covered by patents they own, and then try and enforce those patents at a later date?
If you are in a minority, it probably is quite a large (albeit silent) minority. Actually, on talking about this with people (in the flesh, face to face), I have not yet spoken to anyone who prefers the director's cut - like me, they prefer the original release version (assuming they've seen the original version).
The linked article above states the presumed "No" vote to be unofficial and according to unamed "sources". This could well go the other way and in fact be approved. Any celebration should wait until ISO offically releases the voting results.
There seem to be four committees; A, B, C, and D. There is also something called International GPLv3, although I'm not sure if this is another committee, as I couldn't find membership. Details at:
(Yes, it's Linus Torvalds saying that he thinks Tivoization is *good*.)
Interestingly, it could be argued that "Tivoization" would provide a solution to issues of controversy around "Diebold" voting mahines. I'm not in the US, but I get the impression (from posts here and elsewhere) that these machines aren't particularly trusted! One solution to "trust" would be to make the underlying code viewable, but not changeable (presumably by some form of TiVo-like "locking"). It could then be audited, but not "hacked".
But not with GPLv3 code! Oh well, I suppose there is always BSD!
Interesting to note that all the companies that have "capitulated" have been US companies (Novell, Xandros, Linspire). Of those that have said "No", One is US but Large (Red Hat), and the others are Non-US (Ubuntu, Mandriva).
A quick query. Stallman at http://gplv3.fsf.org/rms-why.html seems to imply that DVD players must be restriced by law (The DMCA). Is this so? If it is then, I can hardly see that Tivo are at fault for locking their product.
Given this, I get the impression that Stallman's argument is that this is of no concern of his! Either GPLv3 code must be non-locked-down, or not used at all.
Which is fair enough. Tivo will have to use software for which there is no restriction on them locking it down. Windows?
Which begs the question; are there applications which, under law, it will not be possible to use GPLv3 code in implementing, in that to do so would be either to fall foul of the DMCA, or the GPLv3?
Personally, I would rather Tivo used Linux, even if locked down, rather than Windows. Even if locked down, the source code would still be viewable (and auditable), whereas with windows...? Surely some freedom is better than none?
The really truthful answer is probably... it is too soon to tell!
To be honest, what needs to happen is for the situation to be monitored, and for the community (if possible) to help make it into a good thing! This may mean giving the guy some slack.
This is why, in the UK at least (I don't know about the US), when a person is on trial in a court of law, the jury do not hear about any previous convictions. Theya re not counted as evidence.
This is because each case must be decided on it's merit. There must be enough evidence in THIS case to convict, whatever the track record of the individual (or corporation) concerned. As they say; "Judge each case on its merit".
I am happy with this principle. I am also happy to apply it to Microsoft. I would want to be consistent now, wouldn't I?
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Alternatively, there is the Classpath exception that could be added to the relevant modules.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classpath_exception
10959 http://en.opensuse.org/
11772 http://www.slackware.com/
11189 http://qa.mandriva.com/
What on earth could they have against Slackware, OpenSuSE and Mandriva? There are other entries:
11304 http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
11312 http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
but these could be explained by being torrents. No Debian, CentOS or Mageia in the list. Strange.
Checking the 'Bestiality' box would have interesting consequences - it is illegal to view such material in the UK!
The judge in this case is also aware of the recent EU Court of Justice ruling, and asked to be briefed by both sides.
See http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120503175821298
Is there a full list of approval authorities?
Do Brazil, Russia, India, and South Africa (4 of the BRICS) also need to approve? All 200 or so countries of the world?
This is partly answered in the article. It says that the deal had to be approved by various regulators, and mentions Israel and Taiwan along with the US, EU and China. I'm sure there were others - China, Israel and Taiwan were mentioned in the article as they seemed to be the laggards in the approval process.
We must attack the Sun because it hates our freedom, our way of life and wants to destroy us.
Well, the ex-editor of the Sun has just been charged with 'perverting the course of justice' so I suppose that the attack is well underway!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18062485
(Yes I know it's a different 'Sun' but I couldn't resist!).
Apologies for being pedantic, but it's 'Defence' in the UK, not 'Defense'. The article got it right.
. . ., and in some places like the U.K. now, things like consensual bondage/S&M pornography.
Have you got a citation for this? Being from the UK I realised that CP ('indecent images of children', whether photographic or not) and zoophilia (bestiality) were illegal, but not bondage/S&M.
I'm glad. I've never have that in my screen but it's pure luck.
Try the following link (WARNING - CONTAINS AUTHENTIC HONEST-TO-GOODNESS CHILD PORN!!!!!):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer_Controversy
OK, yes, I know it is Wikipeda, and I know the "image" is from the 70s (I remember seeing the album in the 70s in a record store), yet, as the article states, it could be (and is) considered indecent. The article itself goes into more details.
Oh, and I doubt anyone will be "done" for viewing it, but then IANAL!
In the UK you can report "illegal" sites confidentially and even anonymously if you wish, through the Internet Watch Foundation.
http://www.iwf.org.uk/
I think they may keep the IP address for three months, but that is it.
Some citations would be useful. If what you say is true then it is indeed worrying. However we need to know the full details in order to confront the issue.
and why Is a FRACKING SCADA system on the internet?
Possible answer - to allow the support team (in India?) to remote in when there are out-of-hours problems.
I know the GPLv3 is better for covering patents, but (IANAL) even with GPLv2 wouldn't it prove problematic for a patent holder to distribute GPL works covered by patents they own, and then try and enforce those patents at a later date?
Interestingly the first private variable doesn't seem to be used in the Android code. In-line strings (bad!) are used instead.
If you are in a minority, it probably is quite a large (albeit silent) minority. Actually, on talking about this with people (in the flesh, face to face), I have not yet spoken to anyone who prefers the director's cut - like me, they prefer the original release version (assuming they've seen the original version).
Like here?
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For the first part of your question, "knifes" is the plural form of the noun "knive".
As for the second part, you try to get the last pea on your plate onto the fork with out one!
There seem to be four committees; A, B, C, and D. There is also something called International GPLv3, although I'm not sure if this is another committee, as I couldn't find membership. Details at:
http://gplv3.fsf.org/discussion-committees
PJ was on A, along with Bruce Perens and Larry Rosen.
(Whether you think that they have managed to come up with a sleek thoroughbred horse, or a four-humped camel, is a matter for speculation!)
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One view on Tivoization can be found here:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/17/303
(Yes, it's Linus Torvalds saying that he thinks Tivoization is *good*.)
Interestingly, it could be argued that "Tivoization" would provide a solution to issues of controversy around "Diebold" voting mahines. I'm not in the US, but I get the impression (from posts here and elsewhere) that these machines aren't particularly trusted! One solution to "trust" would be to make the underlying code viewable, but not changeable (presumably by some form of TiVo-like "locking"). It could then be audited, but not "hacked".
But not with GPLv3 code! Oh well, I suppose there is always BSD!
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Interesting to note that all the companies that have "capitulated" have been US companies (Novell, Xandros, Linspire). Of those that have said "No", One is US but Large (Red Hat), and the others are Non-US (Ubuntu, Mandriva).
I wonder if this pattern will hold?
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To be fair, this is a not-uncommon business practice that predates Microsoft.
And Microsoft aren't the only current practitioners either! (I note Oracle has something which is called a "Restricted Use" license).
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Since when has any fuel tax collected gone towards Arab oil interests?
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A quick query. Stallman at http://gplv3.fsf.org/rms-why.html seems to imply that DVD players must be restriced by law (The DMCA). Is this so? If it is then, I can hardly see that Tivo are at fault for locking their product.
Given this, I get the impression that Stallman's argument is that this is of no concern of his! Either GPLv3 code must be non-locked-down, or not used at all.
Which is fair enough. Tivo will have to use software for which there is no restriction on them locking it down. Windows?
Which begs the question; are there applications which, under law, it will not be possible to use GPLv3 code in implementing, in that to do so would be either to fall foul of the DMCA, or the GPLv3?
Personally, I would rather Tivo used Linux, even if locked down, rather than Windows. Even if locked down, the source code would still be viewable (and auditable), whereas with windows...? Surely some freedom is better than none?
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The really truthful answer is probably ... it is too soon to tell!
To be honest, what needs to happen is for the situation to be monitored, and for the community (if possible) to help make it into a good thing! This may mean giving the guy some slack.
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Indeed.
This is why, in the UK at least (I don't know about the US), when a person is on trial in a court of law, the jury do not hear about any previous convictions. Theya re not counted as evidence.
This is because each case must be decided on it's merit. There must be enough evidence in THIS case to convict, whatever the track record of the individual (or corporation) concerned. As they say; "Judge each case on its merit".
I am happy with this principle. I am also happy to apply it to Microsoft. I would want to be consistent now, wouldn't I?
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