We do whiteboards, but during the "meeting" to discuss the design, our dba snapped at anyone who tried to talk / discuss, so ignoring all developer input / collaborative work.
So whats the point of a "design" if not all the important parties involved.
After 15 mins into the meeting of him being a pompous cock, i returned to reading a book, another stared into space, and the 3rd went back to his laptop.
All of my documentation now that refers to anything in his database says "This dumps into our DBAs design so it's his responsibility to document and write the stored procedures".
I'm not going to help someone who won't consider input, it's his ass I'm staying 10ft away from it.
DBAs = great concept
A stoner asshole grumpy old man for a DBA = lame duck of the industry aka more harm then good.
I disagree on the whole not knowing code only design being better.
"Code monkeys" at least will try to build a system that can be coded in a reasonable amount of time without inflexibility.
Our "DBA" comes up with some really whacked out designs that are just horrible, I've done both the data design and the code, but frankly our DBA is a windows dba.. not exactly anything special.
SQL Server 2k is cake to admin, it's all point and click with insane simplicity.
The screwing of salary workers is considered ok for some goofy reason. I get yelled at if I'm not here @ 8am, but if I do get here @ 8am and try to leave @ 5pm I get yelled at as they expect me to be here till 5:30 pm.
So it's ok for them to hose me for an extra half hour a day then ask for weekend time but not okay for me to leave as I have better things to do with my life then work.
"It works the other way too. Makes it much harder for a company to screw you. Say you need to work late. They decide they don't want to pay you for that time to try to claim you weren't there. Hard for them to say if there is a palm scan record of you leaving. Much easier to say if there is no record, or just a punch card. "
Except for the fact that the company has / holds the data and nobody is verifying it's accuracy. I'd feel better if a 3rd party payroll system automatically handled that data instead.
Would be nice to enforce regulations.
Now all we need is for all these exceptions for "salary" workers to go away and give us more protection from the asshole companies.
Prob is if i ditch cable then I gotta get dsl or pay extra fees, and we're planning to get rid of the house phone line so then dsl comes with fees, heh everyone screws you these days:D
I wonder if theres' a law like that in Ohio?? Where to find out, we've been living together almost a full year.
SprintPCS with contracts... just sucks, I'm probably going to pay the fee and move it to something cheaper, just cause I hardly talk to anyone anymore. Too poor to go anywhere.
Cost of wedding was main reason we put it off, no way we can afford it, my fioncee doesn't have much family so not like the father of teh bride is going to pickup the tab.
Server is tax deductable, but in the end a few deductions help but not enough to make a real dent, school for her will be another 2 years I think.
But think about it, even 1 trip to a hospital or a speeding ticket or a holiday and wham over the bills.
It's crazy how companies are constantly trying to cut salaries yet jack up prices and wonder why our economy is folding in on itself.
I know exactly where it's going, I make a take home of around $2800/mo
which goes to: $865/mo (mortgage) $199/mo (condo assoc fees) $600/mo (car payment) $120/mo (cable/internet, need internet for work cable = less money then going out to movies) $150/mo (electricity) $70/mo (cell phone, on call for work, no reimbursement but needed for side work so it is a tax deduct) $250/mo (car / home insurance for me & fioncee) $24/mo (home phone) $41/mo (pcdi school for fioncee) $60/mo (server hosting, i get $30/mo back from a friend who hosts with me, needed for development)
Grand total of all bills is around $2,400/mo, which leaves roughly $400/mo to eat on / gas / pay down cc debt ($6.4k). So as you can see any little out of the ordinary expense and I'm over budget, I'm trying to sell my car right now and we're trying to fix up the condo to sell it and move to an apartment (dog would prefer house.. I'd like to have some money in savings).
My fioncee makes maybe $200 ~ $250/wk, but most of it gets used up in trying to fix up our house / spending money / medical bills (this hurt us mass as unmarried she doesn't get my medical benefits from work).
So yeah life sucks ass here. I'm in the midwest and can barely afford to live, I don't understand how people live in other areas. My last job to this job was $8.5k/yr salary cut and increased medical expenses / driving costs etc.... I've been told flat out no raise, but we were told a 5% raise if we can get this new product to work / sell but that raise not in effect till after a customer has bought it, so it coudl be a year out and only is for moving forward, that would still only be $140/mo take home increase my bills have gone up more then that in the past year alone.
I'm in the low 50s... was in low 60s but heh pay cut to keep eating... with a fioncee that works.. we're still losing money every month, no savings for retirement.
We're in our young 20s but at this rate we'll be owing a few hundred k when we're at retirement age not living off of a fat stash.
Whats sad is we don't even have much spending cash, we're not out constantly partying.
I got a $81k condo, a $29k car (trying to sell it, was dumb idea), and a fioncee w/1 dog.
My real estate taxes are like $1k/yr, and I find it impossible to even pay the bills every month in a tiny place.
Oh and constant salary cuts, not increases really make life great, I make less money with higher bills yearly... mmm growing debt.. isn't it wonderful?
Where do you live? I'll pack my bags and move in with you cause where I live the mortgage on my condo and just car insurance for 2 people is enough to cost more then my girl makes in a month, then add on food for 2 people, medical etc... no discussion of saving for retirement.
By the time the cost of living lowers here, we'll all be paying high rate mortgages and soo far drowned up our ass*s in debt that it won't make a hill of beans difference.
I make a lot by my friends standards and I'm LOSING money every month just to live with a fioncee and 1 dog, and my girl does work she don't make much but even it doesn't hardly make a dent anymore.
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I beat the slashdot people to checking links... what a feat... maybe I should dupe this post to be just like them.
I used to agree that truck drivers saw the road as their work place, that was before more schools then you could count started dumping out more truck drivers on the road who aren't professionals.
I very much respect good safe truck drivers, and I have had a few truck drivers put me in extremely dangerous conditions.
I've had 2 trucks deliberately box me in to the point I could not see around the truck at all, in front or back, less then 2 ft from either truck.
I had to make a blind dart out to the next lane to get out of this situation.
I've had truck drivers deliberately run me or someone else off the road.
Since that I generally when going to pass a truck hang back in his mirrors for a long time till it's clear all the way to past his front bumper, then gun it like hell to get past him before he has a chance to do something stupid.
Ever seen a 3 lane highway with a rolling road block of semis? I always thought that was cute.
But I have seen it done for good reasons before too like when an accident occurs I've seen truckers hold back traffic appropriately.
So there are a lot of good truck drivers and a lot of young new hot shot assholes.
Learn the secret... let a chick live with you, they will protest at first about doing your laundry or the dishes... ignore these complaints... eventually natures instincts will solve problem for you and they'll either leave you or start doing the laundry and dishes.
If this is ineffective start interviewing new candidates while the old model is still there, thus jealousy and competition should result in the necessary items being accomplished.
If all this has failed.... you should have enough money saved up from not having a female to pay to have your laundry done by a cleaning facility.
It works try it, I haven't done laundry in like a year and a half, they keep telling me the dryer is broken and I should replace it because it takes ages to dry things, I'll worry about it one year... or decade.
Ahh ye inexperienced developer, in time you'll learn, all management ever wants is some fun little numbers in an excel spreadsheet.
On the issue of doing nothing, most programmers are highly ADD (me too!), which means we can generally hyper focus on what we're working on and be completely spaced out the rest of the week.
I know many of the programmers around me are still trying to get a clue how to code so they look like they're doing much more, but those of us who know what we're doing aren't needing to do that quite as much.
I make sure to investigate most new major languages that come out to be familiar with their functions to see where it may be of greater use, but you have to make sure to not change till it is warranted. The latest language may not be the best solution for the job as you lose all of the knowledge & experience your work force has in the older technology already.
It'd be nice if I could fly to a location and get a car I'd be happy with as a rental for a good price... oh wait I can, just can't get a sports car for a reasonable price or dead on perfect what I drive right now but they are conveinent.
I totally agree on the freedom issue, I drive from Cincinnati to Tampa which is between 12 ~ 15 hours instead of flying in 2 hours just because I want my car with me and I enjoy the drive (crazy I know, but it's great to zone out to just the open road for no reason at all).
I've driven to maryland to buy a car before, insanely long trip but oh well it was fun.
I'm all about ditching the current public education system, the kids who do end up going to it (in Cincinnati,OH that is at least), end up with a junk education thats not worthwhile nor do they or their parents generally give a damn about it.
*Most* of our properly educated go to private schools and end up with a good yet costly education. Ditch public education, would lower overall costs of private education due to the increased mass.
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Now that sounds like a good solution for a change.
Go you funky norweigans.
We do whiteboards, but during the "meeting" to discuss the design, our dba snapped at anyone who tried to talk / discuss, so ignoring all developer input / collaborative work.
So whats the point of a "design" if not all the important parties involved.
After 15 mins into the meeting of him being a pompous cock, i returned to reading a book, another stared into space, and the 3rd went back to his laptop.
All of my documentation now that refers to anything in his database says "This dumps into our DBAs design so it's his responsibility to document and write the stored procedures".
I'm not going to help someone who won't consider input, it's his ass I'm staying 10ft away from it.
DBAs = great concept
A stoner asshole grumpy old man for a DBA = lame duck of the industry aka more harm then good.
I disagree on the whole not knowing code only design being better.
"Code monkeys" at least will try to build a system that can be coded in a reasonable amount of time without inflexibility.
Our "DBA" comes up with some really whacked out designs that are just horrible, I've done both the data design and the code, but frankly our DBA is a windows dba.. not exactly anything special.
SQL Server 2k is cake to admin, it's all point and click with insane simplicity.
The screwing of salary workers is considered ok for some goofy reason. I get yelled at if I'm not here @ 8am, but if I do get here @ 8am and try to leave @ 5pm I get yelled at as they expect me to be here till 5:30 pm.
So it's ok for them to hose me for an extra half hour a day then ask for weekend time but not okay for me to leave as I have better things to do with my life then work.
"It works the other way too. Makes it much harder for a company to screw you. Say you need to work late. They decide they don't want to pay you for that time to try to claim you weren't there. Hard for them to say if there is a palm scan record of you leaving. Much easier to say if there is no record, or just a punch card. "
Except for the fact that the company has / holds the data and nobody is verifying it's accuracy.
I'd feel better if a 3rd party payroll system automatically handled that data instead.
Would be nice to enforce regulations.
Now all we need is for all these exceptions for "salary" workers to go away and give us more protection from the asshole companies.
Windows Server 2k3 & XP would be a better choice, as Win2k is the older release, no reason to not come all the way up to the latest for an upgrade.
I know Win2k & XP have almost the same core, but still a good idea to go up to XP.
Amen! Protecting yourself and your property should be gauranteed.
Violate the rights of my privacy and let my gun violate the heart of your thieving body.
Prob is if i ditch cable then I gotta get dsl or pay extra fees, and we're planning to get rid of the house phone line so then dsl comes with fees, heh everyone screws you these days :D
I wonder if theres' a law like that in Ohio?? Where to find out, we've been living together almost a full year.
SprintPCS with contracts... just sucks, I'm probably going to pay the fee and move it to something cheaper, just cause I hardly talk to anyone anymore. Too poor to go anywhere.
Cost of wedding was main reason we put it off, no way we can afford it, my fioncee doesn't have much family so not like the father of teh bride is going to pickup the tab.
Server is tax deductable, but in the end a few deductions help but not enough to make a real dent, school for her will be another 2 years I think.
But think about it, even 1 trip to a hospital or a speeding ticket or a holiday and wham over the bills.
It's crazy how companies are constantly trying to cut salaries yet jack up prices and wonder why our economy is folding in on itself.
I know exactly where it's going, I make a take home of around $2800/mo
which goes to:
$865/mo (mortgage)
$199/mo (condo assoc fees)
$600/mo (car payment)
$120/mo (cable/internet, need internet for work cable = less money then going out to movies)
$150/mo (electricity)
$70/mo (cell phone, on call for work, no reimbursement but needed for side work so it is a tax deduct)
$250/mo (car / home insurance for me & fioncee)
$24/mo (home phone)
$41/mo (pcdi school for fioncee)
$60/mo (server hosting, i get $30/mo back from a friend who hosts with me, needed for development)
Grand total of all bills is around $2,400/mo, which leaves roughly $400/mo to eat on / gas / pay down cc debt ($6.4k). So as you can see any little out of the ordinary expense and I'm over budget, I'm trying to sell my car right now and we're trying to fix up the condo to sell it and move to an apartment (dog would prefer house.. I'd like to have some money in savings).
My fioncee makes maybe $200 ~ $250/wk, but most of it gets used up in trying to fix up our house / spending money / medical bills (this hurt us mass as unmarried she doesn't get my medical benefits from work).
So yeah life sucks ass here. I'm in the midwest and can barely afford to live, I don't understand how people live in other areas. My last job to this job was $8.5k/yr salary cut and increased medical expenses / driving costs etc.... I've been told flat out no raise, but we were told a 5% raise if we can get this new product to work / sell but that raise not in effect till after a customer has bought it, so it coudl be a year out and only is for moving forward, that would still only be $140/mo take home increase my bills have gone up more then that in the past year alone.
I'm in the low 50s... was in low 60s but heh pay cut to keep eating... with a fioncee that works.. we're still losing money every month, no savings for retirement.
We're in our young 20s but at this rate we'll be owing a few hundred k when we're at retirement age not living off of a fat stash.
Whats sad is we don't even have much spending cash, we're not out constantly partying.
My girl works too and we have no kids, still barely meeking by with racking up some debt daily.
I haven't had a positive month in all forms of debt in over a year.
How you afford that?
I got a $81k condo, a $29k car (trying to sell it, was dumb idea), and a fioncee w/1 dog.
My real estate taxes are like $1k/yr, and I find it impossible to even pay the bills every month in a tiny place.
Oh and constant salary cuts, not increases really make life great, I make less money with higher bills yearly... mmm growing debt.. isn't it wonderful?
Where do you live? I'll pack my bags and move in with you cause where I live the mortgage on my condo and just car insurance for 2 people is enough to cost more then my girl makes in a month, then add on food for 2 people, medical etc... no discussion of saving for retirement.
By the time the cost of living lowers here, we'll all be paying high rate mortgages and soo far drowned up our ass*s in debt that it won't make a hill of beans difference.
I make a lot by my friends standards and I'm LOSING money every month just to live with a fioncee and 1 dog, and my girl does work she don't make much but even it doesn't hardly make a dent anymore.
You must be a developer....
Ever notice you run out of junk to read at the end of the day? Maybe I should update my personal website again... or take up drawing...
Nobody ever said the public was intelligent....
if they were would we really have this government?
Softpedia Link with 4 mirrors Yes yes karma whorin.... but hey its got winamp5 with working link :)
I beat the slashdot people to checking links... what a feat... maybe I should dupe this post to be just like them.
I used to agree that truck drivers saw the road as their work place, that was before more schools then you could count started dumping out more truck drivers on the road who aren't professionals.
I very much respect good safe truck drivers, and I have had a few truck drivers put me in extremely dangerous conditions.
I've had 2 trucks deliberately box me in to the point I could not see around the truck at all, in front or back, less then 2 ft from either truck.
I had to make a blind dart out to the next lane to get out of this situation.
I've had truck drivers deliberately run me or someone else off the road.
Since that I generally when going to pass a truck hang back in his mirrors for a long time till it's clear all the way to past his front bumper, then gun it like hell to get past him before he has a chance to do something stupid.
Ever seen a 3 lane highway with a rolling road block of semis? I always thought that was cute.
But I have seen it done for good reasons before too like when an accident occurs I've seen truckers hold back traffic appropriately.
So there are a lot of good truck drivers and a lot of young new hot shot assholes.
Learn the secret... let a chick live with you, they will protest at first about doing your laundry or the dishes... ignore these complaints... eventually natures instincts will solve problem for you and they'll either leave you or start doing the laundry and dishes.
If this is ineffective start interviewing new candidates while the old model is still there, thus jealousy and competition should result in the necessary items being accomplished.
If all this has failed.... you should have enough money saved up from not having a female to pay to have your laundry done by a cleaning facility.
It works try it, I haven't done laundry in like a year and a half, they keep telling me the dryer is broken and I should replace it because it takes ages to dry things, I'll worry about it one year... or decade.
Ahh ye inexperienced developer, in time you'll learn, all management ever wants is some fun little numbers in an excel spreadsheet.
On the issue of doing nothing, most programmers are highly ADD (me too!), which means we can generally hyper focus on what we're working on and be completely spaced out the rest of the week.
I know many of the programmers around me are still trying to get a clue how to code so they look like they're doing much more, but those of us who know what we're doing aren't needing to do that quite as much.
I make sure to investigate most new major languages that come out to be familiar with their functions to see where it may be of greater use, but you have to make sure to not change till it is warranted. The latest language may not be the best solution for the job as you lose all of the knowledge & experience your work force has in the older technology already.
Wow thats nuts, sounds like some blind management, any product that makes $1 billion euros... hrmm yeah I wouldn't complain about it being late.
Germans are famous for over engineering, so heres the solution bid the project for a 4 year out launch date so you'll be fine.
If they want on time, then double your estimate, it's standard practice.
If they want when it's done as soon as it's done, give them a baseline estimate and a bonus structure related to completion dates.
It'd be nice if I could fly to a location and get a car I'd be happy with as a rental for a good price... oh wait I can, just can't get a sports car for a reasonable price or dead on perfect what I drive right now but they are conveinent.
I totally agree on the freedom issue, I drive from Cincinnati to Tampa which is between 12 ~ 15 hours instead of flying in 2 hours just because I want my car with me and I enjoy the drive (crazy I know, but it's great to zone out to just the open road for no reason at all).
I've driven to maryland to buy a car before, insanely long trip but oh well it was fun.
I'm all about ditching the current public education system, the kids who do end up going to it (in Cincinnati,OH that is at least), end up with a junk education thats not worthwhile nor do they or their parents generally give a damn about it.
*Most* of our properly educated go to private schools and end up with a good yet costly education. Ditch public education, would lower overall costs of private education due to the increased mass.
Priorities should be:
1. American White Males
2. American White Females
3. American Others
4. India / Foreign Labor