Your example was for a 50 user mail server. That certainly doesn't require 8 drives. IT has a purpose of providing the most cost effective solution, not the solution that is slight better for a lot more money. If you were talking a high performance database server or application server than yeah use scsi but if your talking file servers or mail servers use SATA with a hot spare drive.
The odds against 2 drives in a SATA RAID-5 array breaking before you can get one replaced is highly unlikely. It is more than redunant enough for 50 user exchange.
This arguement makes no sense. You imply that C# is somehow better than VB.NET, they compile to the same code if you set your compile options correctly. What good does knowing C/C++ style coding do for you? A person who knows VB6 and C# is not going to be able to program in C they will know nothing of memory management. VB.NET syntatically is actually very similar to VB6 what is different is the object orientation is now complete. But in the end whats important is that you train up for your job, if your job is using VB.NET than learn VB.NET as your primary.NET lang if C# is used by your work use C# as your primary. If your good you can atleast read both languages well and be able to write one of them well.
you are unlikely to get axed for attempting to make things better...lawyers would have a field day with your case
What fantasy world are you living in? The only thing you will get is unemployment. If you continously contest the rules set forth by management you are considered a problem employee. Unless your job description says you are a policy maker, how is a lawyer going to get you money or your job back for doing something your not supposed to.
You could still probably run 4 active in a raid-5 with a hot spare 5th drive cheaper with more storage than a scsi solution. If the server goes down of course you need at least a cold server you can bring up relatively quickly.
I think it is incorrect to say RAID5 is not acceptable in any backup strategy
I think the problem is that the RAID is not a back solution at all. RAID is a redundancy solution. RAID won't let you roll back to a point of time if there is a massive configuration problem or an admin deletes all your files. Nor will RAID do anything for you if your server dies outside of the disks. No RAID-1, 5, 10 just provide you with disk redundancy. This is not a backup solution; this is for maximum uptime and also can provide performance advantages.
Last time I was admin it was 50 users, Exchange 2000 and the biggest e-mail boxes were 2 Gb or so
Get all the costs necessary for a proper setup: RAID-5 or RAID-10 SCSI
While 500 Gb IDE drives may be cheap, a corresponding RAID array of server-class SCSI drives
Looking at your message I wonder why it needs to be scsi. I know not ide but SATA raid could easily handle 50 users. You could easily take 3 or 4 SATA 160GB drives and slam then into a raid5 config and not have any performance problems and have greater storage at a lower cost than scsi.
It made me rethink the need for storage space in our company
It should have made you rethink how files of this type should be distributed to users. I mean you could use file server, role your own solution, use share point, ftp accounts, file shares, many other solutions. They would all make more sense than distributing files via email of that size. What a waste. Just because something can be done does not mean its a good solution, that is why companies have IT departments to create IT solutions that are effective.
I remember a few years ago around 2003/2004 reading article after article that IT in USA is finished all the jobs will go to India, CHina and other. But here we are few years later and the IT job market is pretty good, atleast I think so. Its probably still tougher for somebody with no expierence than it was around 1999/2000. But I am no longer afraid I won't have a job in the IT sector... atleast under current conditions.
Your a moron. If I thought Google was getting the data from my Company and I was in the CIO positon that is basically the gatekeeper of all Information I would block google so tightly it you wouldn't even be able to open a work document with the wolrd google in it.
Plus your thesis that employees can get at data better using google desktop search is crazy. Lets see I could set up a data warehouse and some OLAP cubes or I could use a crapy free desktop download. I can't imagine you work in a position any higher than help desk.
Now that might be a bit more extreme then what I would really do. But just because a company claims to do no evil is no reason to risk losing corprate data that may be used for competitive advantage or copy righted to Google. I suspect if Google keeps on doing things like this they will crash harder than pets.com. They are gonna be in a mess of trouble about thier image search after their recent law suit loss. Plus they are gonna get slammed on thier foolish book search. Just because you can make a powerful search engine that will help people find things quickly doesn't mean you can bypass laws and morals just to catalog data.
Mac Mac Mac. People ought to forget about it, Microsoft could make an OS that deletes all your files every 5 minutes and Macs still would not break the 3% market share barrier.
The point isn't that the NES was technically better than the Sega Mastersystem it just never made an indent in the market. Remember the Turbo Graphic 16 it was as good as the Sega Genisis, but only 6 people bought it so it died.
Also Quark runs on Windows, you can believe it or not but it Windows is used for graphics editing. Now I'll be the first to admit that Macs are good for image editing but thats all they are good for so they are a fringe OS. By the way the top computer users run FreeBSD.
Perhaps you have never heard of Silicon Graphics or realized that those huge boxes made by Sun, HP, and IBM are used for other things than databases. If you think that most graphic work is being done on Macs you are sadly mistaken.
Lets see I believe Mac is down to 3% market share, if Vista has 35% it will out shine Mac by almost a factor of 12.
By the way five million Mac users wouldn't even be 15% of the users in the USA let alone the world.
95% of apps could be served perfectly well by mysql, postgresql, msaccess, filemaker etc.
I would disagree with this statement. Have you ever worked in an organization that created hundreds of access applications then a few years later they wanted to have most of them have more users than msaccess can realistically support. MSAccess is good for single user and barable for a very small number of users, but it is not good enough for 95% of apps
Well you are skipping a few other features that some might find useful such as Java integration or.Net in the case of SQL Server 2005. More scability options. Also it may be easier to find qualified DBAs for the big name databases, you can never underestimate the cost of labor.
Well my problem might just be my region. I do know of contractors that make that much but I am trying to stay away from the contract route. I like a little more job security and full benefits.
I am a.Net developer and I don't where I can go to make 75k - 85k developing in.Net, I know of positions managing.Net developers for that amout but I haven't seen an actual development position that pays that amount.
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Your example was for a 50 user mail server. That certainly doesn't require 8 drives. IT has a purpose of providing the most cost effective solution, not the solution that is slight better for a lot more money. If you were talking a high performance database server or application server than yeah use scsi but if your talking file servers or mail servers use SATA with a hot spare drive.
The odds against 2 drives in a SATA RAID-5 array breaking before you can get one replaced is highly unlikely. It is more than redunant enough for 50 user exchange.
"on error resume next" is still alive and kicking! w00t!
Thats just a hold over for converted code and coders who don't understand good error handling. Try/Catch is the recommended method.
This arguement makes no sense. You imply that C# is somehow better than VB.NET, they compile to the same code if you set your compile options correctly. What good does knowing C/C++ style coding do for you? A person who knows VB6 and C# is not going to be able to program in C they will know nothing of memory management. VB.NET syntatically is actually very similar to VB6 what is different is the object orientation is now complete. But in the end whats important is that you train up for your job, if your job is using VB.NET than learn VB.NET as your primary .NET lang if C# is used by your work use C# as your primary. If your good you can atleast read both languages well and be able to write one of them well.
you are unlikely to get axed for attempting to make things better...lawyers would have a field day with your case
What fantasy world are you living in? The only thing you will get is unemployment. If you continously contest the rules set forth by management you are considered a problem employee. Unless your job description says you are a policy maker, how is a lawyer going to get you money or your job back for doing something your not supposed to.
You could still probably run 4 active in a raid-5 with a hot spare 5th drive cheaper with more storage than a scsi solution. If the server goes down of course you need at least a cold server you can bring up relatively quickly.
I think it is incorrect to say RAID5 is not acceptable in any backup strategy
I think the problem is that the RAID is not a back solution at all. RAID is a redundancy solution. RAID won't let you roll back to a point of time if there is a massive configuration problem or an admin deletes all your files. Nor will RAID do anything for you if your server dies outside of the disks. No RAID-1, 5, 10 just provide you with disk redundancy. This is not a backup solution; this is for maximum uptime and also can provide performance advantages.
Last time I was admin it was 50 users, Exchange 2000 and the biggest e-mail boxes were 2 Gb or so Get all the costs necessary for a proper setup: RAID-5 or RAID-10 SCSI
While 500 Gb IDE drives may be cheap, a corresponding RAID array of server-class SCSI drives
Looking at your message I wonder why it needs to be scsi. I know not ide but SATA raid could easily handle 50 users. You could easily take 3 or 4 SATA 160GB drives and slam then into a raid5 config and not have any performance problems and have greater storage at a lower cost than scsi.
It made me rethink the need for storage space in our company
It should have made you rethink how files of this type should be distributed to users. I mean you could use file server, role your own solution, use share point, ftp accounts, file shares, many other solutions. They would all make more sense than distributing files via email of that size. What a waste. Just because something can be done does not mean its a good solution, that is why companies have IT departments to create IT solutions that are effective.
I doon'tt feall the neeed to spelll check thingss ona glofifiedd blog site. Seriously spelling here matters not.
Thats right they won't build in the backdoors. Governments will have to find the security holes like everyone else. Its like Easter Eggs.
I remember a few years ago around 2003/2004 reading article after article that IT in USA is finished all the jobs will go to India, CHina and other. But here we are few years later and the IT job market is pretty good, atleast I think so. Its probably still tougher for somebody with no expierence than it was around 1999/2000. But I am no longer afraid I won't have a job in the IT sector... atleast under current conditions.
Your a moron. If I thought Google was getting the data from my Company and I was in the CIO positon that is basically the gatekeeper of all Information I would block google so tightly it you wouldn't even be able to open a work document with the wolrd google in it.
Plus your thesis that employees can get at data better using google desktop search is crazy. Lets see I could set up a data warehouse and some OLAP cubes or I could use a crapy free desktop download. I can't imagine you work in a position any higher than help desk.
Now that might be a bit more extreme then what I would really do. But just because a company claims to do no evil is no reason to risk losing corprate data that may be used for competitive advantage or copy righted to Google. I suspect if Google keeps on doing things like this they will crash harder than pets.com. They are gonna be in a mess of trouble about thier image search after their recent law suit loss. Plus they are gonna get slammed on thier foolish book search. Just because you can make a powerful search engine that will help people find things quickly doesn't mean you can bypass laws and morals just to catalog data.
Thats if you are running a single SATA drive. Don't most people run SATA RAID-10 on thier desktops?
Mac Mac Mac. People ought to forget about it, Microsoft could make an OS that deletes all your files every 5 minutes and Macs still would not break the 3% market share barrier.
The point isn't that the NES was technically better than the Sega Mastersystem it just never made an indent in the market. Remember the Turbo Graphic 16 it was as good as the Sega Genisis, but only 6 people bought it so it died.
Upgrading Windows 98 to Windows 98SE was free.
I don't think you can prove that MySQL outperforms Oracle in most situations on good hardware.
I can't imagine anyone editing a feature film on Windows XP Professional.
I can't imagine many feature length films are being done on macs either.
Heres weta they use SGI Linux stations for the Lord of The Rings Trilogy.
http://newssearch.looksmart.com/p/articles/mi_go2
Also Quark runs on Windows, you can believe it or not but it Windows is used for graphics editing. Now I'll be the first to admit that Macs are good for image editing but thats all they are good for so they are a fringe OS. By the way the top computer users run FreeBSD.
all the graphics you see,
Perhaps you have never heard of Silicon Graphics or realized that those huge boxes made by Sun, HP, and IBM are used for other things than databases. If you think that most graphic work is being done on Macs you are sadly mistaken.
Lets see I believe Mac is down to 3% market share, if Vista has 35% it will out shine Mac by almost a factor of 12.
By the way five million Mac users wouldn't even be 15% of the users in the USA let alone the world.
Yes why not switch to a fringe system that can't run any of your current software and won't run most the software you want to purchase in the future.
95% of apps could be served perfectly well by mysql, postgresql, msaccess, filemaker etc.
I would disagree with this statement. Have you ever worked in an organization that created hundreds of access applications then a few years later they wanted to have most of them have more users than msaccess can realistically support. MSAccess is good for single user and barable for a very small number of users, but it is not good enough for 95% of apps
Well you are skipping a few other features that some might find useful such as Java integration or .Net in the case of SQL Server 2005. More scability options. Also it may be easier to find qualified DBAs for the big name databases, you can never underestimate the cost of labor.
Well my problem might just be my region. I do know of contractors that make that much but I am trying to stay away from the contract route. I like a little more job security and full benefits.
I am a .Net developer and I don't where I can go to make 75k - 85k developing in .Net, I know of positions managing .Net developers for that amout but I haven't seen an actual development position that pays that amount.