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Dealing With an Authoritarian Management Style In IT?

A New Cog asks: "My software development group, including my manager, was moved recently under another bigger group with different style of management. The new objective for the group is to 'speak as one person', meaning that the reasons behind management decisions are well understood and technical information is well communicated. At first, it seemed to be a very good thing to do. In reality, it was just a disguised authoritarian method of imposing information censorship and making sure there is no opposition within. We used to cooperate openly with each other and people from other groups, exchanging opinions and ideas, but after few schooling sessions in front of the bigger group, everyone is now quietly doing what they are told. Now, there is less and less satisfaction from the work I do. Is this just a sign of maturing organization and transitional pain is a necessary side effect in order to have a better future, or is this a sign of things to come. I feel that no true creativity is going to happen in place where motivation and productivity are affected by frustration and threat of loosing one's job? I like my job, but what can I do now in order to keep my satisfaction with it?"

82 comments

  1. You need a role model. by paulthomas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Might I suggest the BOFH?

  2. Look at the bright side ... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like my job, but what can I do now in order to keep my satisfaction with it?

    At least they haven't stopped you posting on slashdot ... yet.

    1. Re:Look at the bright side ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Post blocked by SmartFilter[TM]: Profanity)

  3. You're not doomed.. by Dynamoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You're not doomed.. for starters, you can always let off steam in private and off-the-record. Have a few drinks with your coworkers (and NOT the boss) once a week just to get it off your chest.

    As a management style, there will be two likely outcomes. One, it will actually succeed and bring positive things to the business - this will be a Good Thing. Probably more likely, your department will make some enormous mistakes because of the supression of internal debate and be reorganised.. in which case you need to make sure that you're out of the frame, or else this will be a very Bad Thing.

    Don't forget the ultimate sanction - if the place sucks, leave.

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    1. Re:You're not doomed.. by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have a few drinks with your coworkers (and NOT the boss) once a week just to get it off your chest.

      Nah, you should bring the boss ... this way, they pay for it! After all, they'll just write it off as a business expense anyway, and after a decade of drinking as part of the job, you can claim disability - work turned you into an alcoholic. Its the Amercian Way - sue your way to a happy retirement!

    2. Re:You're not doomed.. by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is also a good way of becoming more unhappy. Blowing off steam once in a while isn't necessarily, bad, but it also doesn't solve problems. It just makes it easier to cope with them.

      I suggest you talk to the boss - make sure he understands the atmosphere this is creating. Voice your concerns, but do it calmly and diplomatically. Also be ready to make constructive suggestions for improving the situation.

      If this fails, then you can suck it up, you can endanger your job by going over his head, or you can look for a new job. You're going to spend a good chunk of your life working - you should try to enjoy it.

    3. Re:You're not doomed.. by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'd add the recomendation that you let it be known in circles outside your own group that:
      • Decisions are wholy taken by one person without participation of the other members of the group. This also means that responsability for screwups due to those decisions fully rests with that one person
      • Several members of the group (give no names) are (becoming) unsatisfied - ie moral is (becoming) low due to them not being in any way part of the decision process


      The point of "spreading the word" is to prepare for the future:
      • If the system being imposed in your group does not negativelly impact your group's productivity and some of the people you talked to still remember your words, then you can admit that your fears where unfounded after all. No harm done, nobody will care.
      • If the system does NOT work and the productivity of your group is lower because of it (especially in comparisson with other groups), then your message will be remembered by others outside your group and quite possibly everybody in that group except the decisionmaker will be in the clear.


      In this world a lot boils down to information control. Countless situations of bad leadership keep going on in perpetuity because the only source of information which those that have the power to stop those situations (higher level managers) have is the person responsible for the problem in the first place (for example, the group's manager/lead).
      When confronted with the problem by someone higher in the hierarchy, the causer of the problem will commonly blame something/somebody else for it if he/she believes they can get away with it.

      Thus the point of this technique is to make sure that, when the shit hits the fan, higher level decision makers get to know exactly how and why the shit got there in the first place.

      When this is done really well, if indeed the decisionmaker is unqualified and/or a serial offender, it often results in said person being at the very least striped of said responsibilities, sometimes shelved and in some cases (i'm talking really incompetent here) even fired.

      I've used this twice in the past to get rid of really bad managers, so i know for sure it works.

      Also:

      If in the meanwhile you get really frustrated with the way things are going i sugest you start looking internaly (within the company) for another group. If that doesn't work start looking outside the company.
    4. Re:You're not doomed.. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This management style has no "soft skills." Suggestions that it is flawed are invariably met with contempt. It is not the same as someone who has simply become obsessed with micro-managing, who you can take aside and say "hey, let it go." Someone with a KITA attitude is only going to respond to this sort of tactic with, well, a KITA.

      Personally, I'd just leave. I'm getting too old to put up with that crap. However, I've found the best way to ease that pain is just to accept it, deal with it and not take any of it personally--and document the living hell out of everything. If you do your job as you are told and can prove it, these types back down. They're looking for weakness and any excuse to shift blame from themselves to you. ANYTHING in the "soft skills" category with these types will be viewed as a perfect weakness to label you "not a team player" or "does not work well under supervision" or just, "does not work here anymore."

      So, either leave or find a way to play by the rules... and if that means throwing back a scotch after work, so be it.

    5. Re:You're not doomed.. by KDan · · Score: 2, Informative

      That can also be a good way to test whether the boss is a good one. A good boss knows that he/she should invite his/her team out for drinks, buy a couple of rounds, and then excuse him/herself - so that the team can vent whatever they feel like venting.

      Daniel

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    6. Re:You're not doomed.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my case manager started to "collect" evidence based upon double standard. Every small issue I had was added to my review as a deadly sin, even when it was not, he made it look like it was, taking only facts and words which are backing his blame and ignoring everything else supporting the other side of the story. If some one else made a similar mistake, it was taken as a "working" issue. None of my contributions were recognized but instead they were looked from the perspective of what can support the blame case. Is this a classic management schema to get rid of the talented people?

    7. Re:You're not doomed.. by j-turkey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You're not doomed.. for starters, you can always let off steam in private and off-the-record. Have a few drinks with your coworkers (and NOT the boss) once a week just to get it off your chest.

      Actually, I'd recommend against this. If your position carries any kind of senority, complaining in front of your coworkers is pretty unprofessional, and will only serve to tear your group apart and make your new boss' job more difficult.

      If you have real concerns about your group and want to do the professional thing, then you have two options: 1: Bring up your concerns with your new boss or 2: Find another job.

      Anything else is petty, unprofessional, unfair to the new boss, and may create an unfriendly office culture. If you choose to leave, remember that it is never a good idea to burn your bridges behind you. Always leave on good faith, even if you believe that you employer is not acting in good faith or unfairly.

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    8. Re:You're not doomed.. by fdisk3hs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      `We used to cooperate openly with each other and people from other groups, exchanging opinions and ideas, but after few schooling sessions in front of the bigger group, everyone is now quietly doing what they are told.`
       
      If you are unsatisfied, you should continue the discussions that you are used to that were so satisfying. If you get "schooled" in front of the group, you will survive. They will probably get tired of "schooling" you quickly, as in not more than twice. If you don't give in, what can they do? You're not "causing problems", just doing your job in an open way.
       
      This does show signs of serious communication problems, which in relationships or business usually end up with a parting of ways, in my experience. So what? I left a job where I was written up for doing work that had been PRE-APPROVED by management. I took my lumps and had no trouble defending myself, since I had taken care to document everything. But working for folks that do such things is like slamming your hand in the door on purpose. I resigned and went back to school at age 32, and now after two years I have landed a job that I would rather have had all along. You don't HAVE to live the way they want you to, there are choices.
      Peace dude.

    9. Re:You're not doomed.. by slappy · · Score: 1

      Unless you happen to have a good boss that has moral objections to alcohol -- both for self and purchasing for others. :)

    10. Re:You're not doomed.. by edward.virtually@pob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bad advice. Letting off steam "in private and off-the-record" just gives your co-workers something to stab you in the back with. I speak from experience. Keep your mouth shut around ANYONE who might be able to use your words against you later.

      Better advice: Be glad you have a high paying, physically easy job. Remember that since you have no power over the Big Choices, you are not responsible for them. As long as you do not alienate any managers, you have no need to fear reorg. It's a fact of life in most companies, just like the stupid PHB management that causes them.

      Lastly, ignore advice to leave a job because you don't like it. It's usual to dislike your job. If it was enjoyable, they wouldn't be paying you to do it. At any rate, NEVER leave a job unless you have another one signed and sealed -- unless you want to live in the street. You don't get unemployment if you quit, so don't.

    11. Re:You're not doomed.. by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you don't go out with your cow-workers and complain about the boss, they'll complain that you're "not part of the team" and you'll end up getting the ass.

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    12. Re:You're not doomed.. by Aceticon · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't know if it is a "classic" or not - it does not seem refined enough to be a classic.

      From your description, it seems your manager is doing it in a very obvious way. I see two possible motivations behind this:
      a) Your manager is trying to get you to quit by making your life miserable. Why would that be that, i have no idea. Are you in a country were it is hard to fire people?
      b) Your manager is trying to set you up as the fall guy - maybe some project where you work(ed) and he manages/ed is about-to-go/has-gone down the drain?

      If it's a), consider finding another group withing the company or even move jobs. No point in fighting that war if the job market is good IMHO.

      If it's b) then, judging by your description, your manager is doing it in a too obvious way. If indeed ALL issues in your review are reported as "very big problems" and NONE as "smaller problem" while for everybody else it is a very different picture, then that in itself would, to any outsider, be an indication that you are being singled-out and attacked in the review process.

      I sugest you bring this up to the right ears outside your group. Go at it in a round-about way in which you come to some higher-up or side-ways person in a position of power (an HR manager for example) looking for advice on how to improve YOURSELF since your review lists lots of very big problems and you're very concerned since it never happened before and you don't know how things went so bad all of a sudden with your work.

      Consider going to your manager first to "ask for advice on how to improve yourself". This:
      • Can be a very enlightening exercise - pay special attention to things for which he has no sugestions or only has "pre-packaged" (bullshit) sugestions, since these tend to indicate wild and unfounded criticisms he has done against you
      • Serves as an excuse to go ask some other senior person (read person in position of power) for sugestions on improving yourself, since "your manager's sugestions were not enough" or "you wanted another point of view"
      • When said other person asks you if you already went to your manager with, you can say "Yes!"


      DON'T directly accuse your manager of discrimination - instead point out the exceptional negativity of your review with relation to past-reviews/reviews-for-other-group-members. Let the listener draw his/her own conclusions.

      Keep in mind that:
      - Stakeholders in the Review process (HR, your manager's manager) want it to be realistic. Misuse of this process (for example by a manager trying to cover his back) will likelly be seen as abusive and at the very least frown uppon.
      - Some of the criticism might be true (if exagerated). If you use the "asking for advice to improve myself" act, DO NOT DO IT AS AN ACT - seriously consider that you have room for improvement and really think about (and maybe follow some of) the advices you are given.

      You want to discredit your manager while at the same time fortifying your position (and if you can improve yourself in the process so much the beter).

      Keep in mind that managers are not necessarily more inteligent than "techies", they're just more experience with "social" things. Consider the whole process as a challenge to your mental abilities - you are trying to outwit your manager.
  4. Clue Train by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Pick up a cheap used copy of The Cluetrain Manifesto and leave it on the manager's desk.

    If that fails, leave. Information hoarding doesn't work.

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    1. Re:Clue Train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not defending the PRC, but if you think that's how it went down then you're misinformed. Attempting to boil the whole thing down to a soundbite undermines your argument, clouds the issue, and in the end does more harm than good because it is designed to evoke a "fuck you" kind of attitude rather than thoughtful or critical discussion (or even personal thoughts).

  5. Boss Style by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usually it is just the sign of the management style of your manager. The recommendations I could make is to first have an upto date resume. Second, every time you send recommendations and analysis to your manager, do it via email. Third, every time your manager talks to you, send him or her an email with a synopsis of what was discussed and thanking them for their time. Fourth, ask yourself if it is worth it. Finally, read Winning, every person who works in a corporate enterprize needs to read this.

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  6. Screw it, I've got karma to burn: by Vengeance · · Score: 4, Funny

    Working for the Bush administration, are we?

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    1. Re:Screw it, I've got karma to burn: by heinousjay · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You brave, brave man, risking your karma by putting down Bush on Slashdot. You must carry your balls in wheelbarrows.

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  7. Quit by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Quit

  8. Adios, goodbye and see ya later! by qualico · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, whenever I've been in your situation, I self destruct.
    Adios, goodbye, see ya later, so long and thanks for all the fish.

    Life is too short to work in a job where you have to compromise whatever gives you joy.

    Creativity is your most valuable asset and some company out there is not only going to recognize and encourage it, but reward it.

    I'd have to say it's time for you to look for more fertile ground.

    1. Re:Adios, goodbye and see ya later! by usrbinallen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We all have to do things at work that seem stupid to us. There are an infinite number of reasons for them. If they are temporary and not unethical, OK.

      I've worked for both good and bad organizations that used the information control approach. The difference is the target.

      If it's to improve something, you can usually see the point and can get around it in particular circumstances, like talking to the group next door or your direct users. You can also have discussions among youselves aimed at getting the boss to buy in and use his political skills to help out.

      If the point is to stifle your voice, speak up and then leave. Go for internal transfers first. There are other groups in the company that don't like this treatment any better than you do. If the "manager" leaves, test the waters to see if you aren't going, too, but be ready to go.

      Companies that don't respect their workers don't deserve our respect. In IT, we are in a far better place than auto workers and airplane mechanics. Thank your lucky stars and take advantage of it.

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    2. Re:Adios, goodbye and see ya later! by qualico · · Score: 1

      Well said.

      "In IT, we are in a far better place than auto workers and airplane mechanics."

      The only caveat to that is we don't have a union; which is of course a double edged sword anyway.

      Being an independent, I long for the backing of numbers and the promise of pension.
      On the other hand, I'm glad I don't have to pay for the privilege; especially in the case where unions are parasitic.

  9. I'd note.. by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't want to give advice about your particular situation without knowing more about it, but -- presenting a single position to the outside and allowing internal debate aren't contradictory. When a decision is made to not do things your way, not publically undercutting the plan is professionalism, not censorship. It's when you can't question things internally that there's something badly broken.

    1. Re:I'd note.. by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      Having everybody in a group speaking to the public from the same script is the way any good organization is run. I've frequently lost internal debates about one thing or another, and even when the boss has been flat-out brain-dead what-was-he-on wrong (IMHO) I've always been careful to keep that opinion "within the family". I may not personally endorse the decision, but I'll defend it if I have to. e.g. "The department has decided to do [whatever the boss chose] because [whatever his rationale was]."

      But the day I can't tell the boss that I disagree is the day I quit. Or get fired. {wry grin}

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  10. Difficult choices by hrbrmstr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really do not know how large organizations in the United States survive in the new global economy where emerging markets have businesses that aren't making themselves in the traditional molds (one might argue they aren't surviving, but I digress).

    Your situation is indicative of most departments in large US organizations. "Don't rock the boat."; "Just do your work."; "We can't give *them* that info, they might look better than *us*." Those are all sentiments that are most likely not spoken, but implied in daily interactions with management. I don't believe it's due to malice. I truly belive it's managers being afraid to look "stupid" in front of others.

    If you try to stand out in the crowd and continue open dialogues, collaboration and information dissemination you'll garner the support and respect of your peers, but you will not advance much beyond your current position. You stand more to lose by not speaking up (the whole department will be outsourced due to lack of productivity) than you do by being a leader (you are unlikely to get axed for attempting to make things better...lawyers would have a field day with your case).

    Sadly, there is little satisfaction in IT jobs in large organizations these days. You'll need to go find a small company or derive work enjoyment from non-employment activities.

    That's probably not what you wanted to hear, but unless there's a "miracle post" in this topic with a real, attainable solution, I suspect you'll get many similar replies.

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    1. Re:Difficult choices by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'd like to second this advice.

      I've put up with a lot in large corporations with their moving cheese and other management fads. Try despair.com for some demotivational support - it helps to laugh about it.

      I'm finally happy at a small plant where I am the IT department. Lower pay, but life is too short to be miserable most of your day. Oddly I have more free cash now than I did making 2x and hating my life.

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    2. Re:Difficult choices by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Informative
      Sadly, there is little satisfaction in IT jobs in large organizations these days. You'll need to go find a small company or derive work enjoyment from non-employment activities.

      Its not all sunshine and roses in the small shops, though. True you definitely get to make a difference in the way things go, but to do so will require achingly long hours at relatively-low pay. In the end, you'll be just as disillusioned because your employer is getting this Class A service from you at bush-league pricing... It will only take a few years of one and two percent salary raises to realize your fortunes lie elsewhere.

      And that isn't always a bad thing. I view my work in this small shop as hard-core education... I've been in this business for eight years now, but I've learned more in two years here than I did in the previous six years elsewhere. In a lot of ways, once you realize that "Mega-Corporate IT" really sucks to work in, and "bush-league" IT is rewarding but pays no money, you'll find yourself motivated to find the crossroads of those two extremes--satisfying work that pays enough that you might one day have a hope of retiring.

      Now, I'm using the skills I'm learning here and the contacts I'm picking up so that in a year or so I can start my own consulting shop. I've already got a few clients on the side that I do things for, and I'm working steadily to build my stable of paying customers. I definitely see where being the service shop is where the real money is at in IT, and consequently, where the really smart people will end up pooling in the next few years/decades, if they aren't already in there.

      My job as network engineer won't be heading to India--it requires too much on-site hands-on stuff, but I'd still like to make more than the assistant manager at McDonald's does, maybe have the opportunity to retire when I reach 65ish, instead of "semi-retiring" which means "I'm still working part-time but I take social security." I see the entreprenuership route as the only valid option to get there from here in IT at this point, aside from getting an MBA, holing up in some corporate IT shop and keeping my head down for the next three decades.
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    3. Re:Difficult choices by Tsunayoshi · · Score: 1
      And that isn't always a bad thing. I view my work in this small shop as hard-core education... I've been in this business for eight years now, but I've learned more in two years here than I did in the previous six years elsewhere. In a lot of ways, once you realize that "Mega-Corporate IT" really sucks to work in, and "bush-league" IT is rewarding but pays no money, you'll find yourself motivated to find the crossroads of those two extremes--satisfying work that pays enough that you might one day have a hope of retiring.


      The great thing with a smaller IT shop is you get to be more of a jack-of-all-trades type where you dabble (or maybe a little more than dabble) in almost everything becoming fairly well-rounded. In a large IT shop you get (from what I have seen) stove-piped into a particular piece of the organization where you might be the "router-guy" or the "Exchange guru" and never really get a chance to work in other areas because someone else is the "-guy".

      My work is primarily linux servers/workstations, but at the same time our little group runs multiple Windows domains, Solaris servers, web servers, Oracle, web, firewalls and routers that I know enough to work on as good as the average admin in the group. We do have our in-house experts, like the guy who was formerly an Oracle DBA who we will go to for any serious questions, but every one of us is more or less equally well-rounded.
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    4. Re:Difficult choices by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1
      The great thing with a smaller IT shop is you get to be more of a jack-of-all-trades type where you dabble (or maybe a little more than dabble) in almost everything becoming fairly well-rounded.

      Well.... It sounds like you have more people than we do. Its true I've been exposed to a lot of things, but what I know inside-out is definitely a TINY subset of those technologies. I would like it much more if I had the time to know them all really well, but I do everything except ERP development and support which is somebody else's bailiwick. I don't have time to know our phone system inside-out--I might like to because there are probably a lot of things I could do with that type of information, but I'm wearing like seven hats right now, so that just isn't in the cards.

      Part of my desire to get out is my certainty that the mountain of work isn't going to get any smaller, and I won't be getting any help anytime soon either. So my choices are: 1) Work ridiculous hours and have zero desire for self-development after-hours or on weekends, and eventually my skills date themselves. OR I could 2) Leave and do my own thing, specializing in the things I like and charging people up the ass for the privelege of using my services, and as a result of the high prices I could charge, work a sane schedule and thus have energy (and interest) to work on learning new skills and keeping myself at the top of my game.

      I would be irresponsible if I didn't consider doing this--because the long and the short of it all is that staying put is the biggest risk of all. If I fail, I still have the option of going back to work in a corporate setting. But if I succeed, I provide myself with the opportunity to provide for myself, and eventually, my family, in a way that lets me build first a client-base for myself, then others. In effect, my only option for wealth is to continually educate myself in the use of the most valuable technologies so I can sell that knowledge to others through project and consulting work...
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    5. Re:Difficult choices by jbplou · · Score: 1

      you are unlikely to get axed for attempting to make things better...lawyers would have a field day with your case

      What fantasy world are you living in? The only thing you will get is unemployment. If you continously contest the rules set forth by management you are considered a problem employee. Unless your job description says you are a policy maker, how is a lawyer going to get you money or your job back for doing something your not supposed to.

    6. Re:Difficult choices by hrbrmstr · · Score: 1

      It would be trivial to show that you were deliberately hampered from doing your job, especially since there are likely no documented, official statements making these negative practices part of the standard business operations. It would, however, also help if you actually do exceedingly well in your job (as much as the environment allows), since there could be no claim of poor job performance. Large organizations will not take the chance of a public lawsuit, at least not yet. If the economy gets any worse, however, all bets are off even if you keep your mouth shut, work extra hours and do an amazing job every day.

      Mid- and smaller-sized operations most likely would follow the course you suggested, however, and can you without a second thought.

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  11. Peopleware by famebait · · Score: 1

    Buy a few copies of "Peoplware" and leave them on strategic desks.

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  12. Obligatory grammar nazi post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Is this just a sign of [..], or is this a sign of things to come.
    I feel that no true creativity is going to happen in place where motivation and productivity are affected by frustration and threat of loosing one's job?

    Ah, the case of the migrating question marks.

    As for "loosing" your job, you should be happy if things loosen up at your job, so why are you worried about it? :-)
  13. It can be missunderstood by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people have claimed that is my style when I'm just trying to avoid whole projects springing up that are taking the wrong direction and doing the wrong thing. "Speaking as one person" helps make sure projects actaully meet the needs of the user community.

    The user community is very sensitive to change. If one of the admins sets up something "special" for an end user, what are some of the things that can go wrong?

    If one of my admins sets up a rogue FTP site "to help a user" then when I find out it's not secure and shut it down, I have to deal with dissatified end user. Then, sometimes, the admin (and the user) will turn around and call me the heavy.

    But let's say I leave it up and make sure that admin secures it. Then a whole culture springs up around this FTP site when the server isn't really suitable for the purpose (no redundency, etc). These people ignore, or maybe are ignorant of our corporate HTTP file transfer site which is purpose built for five 9s of file transfer uptime. When the FTP site goes down, everybody loses. I do, my admins do, and most of all, the end-users do.

    So basically, I can be a hard ass about admins running around doing their own thing. But have the admins bothered to think about why that is? I know it's a fun part of IT to play and be creative. I highly value very creative people on my staff. But at least come to management and make sure your creativity doesn't conflict with another objective. Try to understand the conflict. Use your creativity a little more to make sure your project can avoid the conflict ("hey boss, why don't we just put FTP services on the HTTP file transfer server?"). Then guess what? We're all "speaking as one voice" but you get your creativity too.

    1. Re:It can be missunderstood by renoX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > If one of my admins sets up a rogue FTP site "to help a user" then when I find out it's not secure and shut it down

      Well, why don't you warn them before that they have made something not acceptable and find a replacement solution before 'shutting it down' (or at least warning them before doing so).
      If you loose say a 1Mi$ contract because you stopped the rogue FTP site without warning, I'd find normal that *you'd* be fired (not the other guys).

      And finding a replacement solution is not necessarily having 10 custom FTP site around. Also you have to ask yourself, if the admin made a rogue FTP site, maybe your IT service is not responsive enough to users needs?

      Note that all this doesn't prevent providing a warning to the admin who did it, that he will be fired next time he does this kind of thing (well if he did this without trying to use the 'normal' way, if he did and your services were too slow to react, well that's your damn fault, don't put the blame on others).

    2. Re:It can be missunderstood by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      Note that all this doesn't prevent providing a warning to the admin who did it, that he will be fired next time he does this kind of thing

      Or why not just fire him on the spot? I don't know about where you work, but punching a hole through the firewall without proper security measures is a pretty serious thing at my company. Yes, we get a $1M contract, but the next day our employee records and customer list is owned by random hacker #278 who then goes around signing up for VISA cards in everyone's names.

      Your "it's ok to go around you because you're not fast enough" methodology works just fine on a multilane highway, but not on a modern corporate network. Admins and users who play fast and loose expose others to danger. Maybe you've never gotten a virus or been hacked and you think it can't happen to you, but we know better. Because of the potential consequences, and because our admins should know about them, the admin who sets up such a server on our network might not get a warning before seperation.

      TW

    3. Re:It can be missunderstood by lanner · · Score: 1

      Hi! Good points, but I'm going to argue with you. =)

      You've got a couple of issues here.

      First, you've got a problem because that junior admin wasn't comfortable coming to you to seek approval/advice to set up the FTP server. That's not good. People are not comfortable going to you with issues.

      Suppose the person didn't know that setting up the FTP server was a bad thing, or that they needed approval. Then you made a mistake by failing to document policy about setting up a new "supported" service and advertising that policy.

      Finally, it's your job to be an enabler of users and other administrators. It's not you're job to horde the HTTP server -- it's your job to give it's functionality away. If the junior admin didn't know it was a service that he could use, or it wasn't convenient to use, then you've failed to meet his needs. It's not a problem that the admin is trying to do his job, that's an opportunity to help the organization succeed!

      You forgot -- the admin doesn't work for you. YOU WORK FOR HIM. It's management's job to support their staff and you've failed to advertise that support.

      Often as IT departments grow, there needs to be mentoring and internal infrastructure groups that serve the front line admins by giving them support, tools, and guidance to help manage the work load. This is a level of management.

      Finally, I should note that I agree with you about supporting services. This is why I encourage the groups that I work with to maintain a list of "supported services" that we are approved by funding management to support. If it's not on that list, people know that we are going to need to seek funding approval to support it, because supporting anything means more resources to support it.

      It also makes it easy to tell Bob in accounting that I won't help him install his Logitech webcam because it isn't supported, nor is his attempts to set up an armature porn studio in his office.

    4. Re:It can be missunderstood by renoX · · Score: 1

      > Or why not just fire him on the spot?

      Well, I tend to be understand this kind of thing: in my (big) enterprise, it took me 9 month to buy a CD writer (they were still "expensive" at around 300$ at the time), when you have to deal with that kind of stupidity (everything done by our IT department take ages, is expensive, give ridiculous little resources, etc), the temptation to say "f*, I'll do it myself" is high..

      My point was more that as an administrator, your job is to communicate with the user to solve his problem, not just remove a 'rogue FTP site on the spot' because it may harm security.

    5. Re:It can be missunderstood by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      This is all good and fine, but what kind of an admin thinks it's ok to set up publicly accessable services without approval?

      I mean, seriously, a guy is bright enough to set up the FTP site either on our outside network, on the DMZ or on the inside with a hole punched through the firewall, but he doesn't realize this could be some kind of an issue?

      This is probably not a case for mentoring. It's more like a case for the kind of reality check where you're forced to ask, "is this guy really right for this job?" In this case, "me working for him," is more of a case of setting him free to find a job where he'll do less damage as he learns.

      Let me put it another way. You're a manager of a grocery store. One of your clerks starts selling steak for a dollar a pound less than you have it marked. He figures the store can sell more this way. He changes the price at the register. He doesnt' bother to tell you about this.

      This guy would have to be one hell of a great clerk to get mentoring over fireing.

      TW

  14. Get new admins by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Policy is different than the 'speaking with one voice'. If there is a policy about how FTP is setup, that should be sufficient, unless a signifigant number of clients (or signifigant clients) want something else. I would hope that you are in touch with your admins and your userbase, to make sure that the best course is taken.

    Sometimes, customers want something configured to be broken, or their misunderstanding of how the tools work make them DEMAND something be setup wrong, insecure, or improper. I would hope that you would evaluate those issues with your admins (and customer service people).

    (When I was an admin at an ISP, my boss said "make. people. stop. calling." Prolly the best customer service/admin instructions I've ever had from any boss in 10 years.)

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    Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
  15. Shape up or Ship out! by sysadmn · · Score: 1

    Managers set the tone of an organization. Either you like your job enough to stay, or you don't. One of the benefits of a not-too-sucky-job is that you can look for something better, and be picky about what you choose.

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    Envy my 5 digit Slashdot User ID!
    1. Re:Shape up or Ship out! by sionki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Managers do set the tone of a company but good managers listen to their employees and are willing to discuss how things are done. I've been working for a large state agency in the US for the past nine years and for four of those years, we had a CIO who only wanted "Yes" men around him.. I bucked enough from it to not be included in that group and gained the rep of a rebel. Then we got a new CIO in who had a completely different approach and I get along great with him. He sees the value of listening to new ideas, incorporating the ones that are viable and the IT Department has been more productive because of that.

      Sometimes dedication to a job means sticking with it even when you don't like what is going on. Sometimes it even turns out for the beter.

  16. A Couple of Possibilities by richg74 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There are a couple of possibilities here, in terms of what the management is trying to achieve:

    • Avoid being blindsided by unofficial or ad hoc projects that, while possibly fine in isolation, conflict with some larger goal. (Security policy, which other posters have mentioned, is an example of this.)
    • Control information for PR or propaganda purposes, to allow only "favourable" information to be given outside the group. (Think political "spin doctors".)

    It's hard to tell, from the limited amount you're able to post here, which case applies. It may be productive to suggest a conversation with the group and management to try to clarify this, if you can figure out a non-confrontational way of suggesting that. (Just the reaction to such a suggestion might tell you quite a bit.)

    The first objective is a reasonable one; perhaps it's just the approach or implementation that's ham-fisted. If you think that's the case, then perhaps you and your co-workers can come up with some ideas that will help toward the objective.

    On the other hand, if this is a classic "information is power" political strategy, then you basically have to evaluate whether the good points of staying with the group you like outweigh the bad points of working for a jerk. (Do keep in mind, though, that jerks sometimes don't last -- keep your head down.)

  17. What bright side? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Is this just a sign of maturing organization and transitional pain is a necessary side effect in order to have a better future, or is this a sign of things to come.

    It's a sign of things to come. Start putting feelers out for another job already. Take it from someone who has learned this the hard way...

  18. Be a worker by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    It took me quite some time to realize it, but basically -- you're a worker. You get paid to produce something, and the manager gets paid to control what you do, and very often, how you do it.

    As IT has become more of an integral part of operations for more companies, they've shifted how they handle it. No longer is it a "results-only" department with a wide margin for error, since IT has such an impact on the bottom line. The net effect is that many companies no longer accept the risk of maverick actions by their IT staff.

    The owner of my company got some complaints from sales staff about their sales database being offline, because they could not effectively sell (a tech had changed the memory allocations on the server to try to speed up other software on the same server). The immediate consequence? The owner ripped into the CFO, who ripped into the IT manager, who ripped into the consaulting firm who provided the techs, who fired the tech. The long-term effect? IT is now ruled by an iron hand.

    EVERY task is now reviewed by the IT manager before the ticket gets handled. The ticket is forwarded to the appropriate tech, who proposes a solution. The IT manager then reviews, signs off, and returns for execution. Anything more complicated than setting up an email address also has to be approved by the CFO.

    Is it elegant and cost-effective? No.

    Does it minimize the risk of catastrophic or very expensive failures? Yes.

    In short, my answer to you is that you need to change roles if you want autonomy. Work for yourself, or consult for small firms through an agency or consulting firm.

    If you stay in the same role, then welcome to corporate America... best of luck.

    --
    "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    1. Re:Be a worker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think, that you need to have a draconian rule management when you operations are not stable. But after that you can't keep it, since this style of management will make people unhappy and result in decrease of productivity while talented folks will leave or will be forced out of the company.

    2. Re:Be a worker by lowe0 · · Score: 1

      What do you do when your authoritarian boss actually dictates a lack of order? When the word from on high is "wing it"?

      I'm actually dealing with a boss who doesn't appear to see any value in any sort of up-front design. The guy mocks stuff up in Excel and then says "just look on the internet... I'm sure someone's already written code to do this." NO THEY HAVEN'T!!!

  19. moving cheese and other management fads by dpilot · · Score: 1

    What's "moving cheese"? If it's a management fad, no doubt I'm going to hear about it and live it sometime in the next few years. A heads-up would be truly helpful.

    Hey, real value from Slashdot. Or at least anti-anti-value.

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    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    1. Re:moving cheese and other management fads by Ibix · · Score: 1
      What's "moving cheese"?

      It's derived from a book titled "Who moved my cheese?", apparently about management of change in your life. I understand that it's becoming a buzz-book (to coin a neologism). Whether it's anything revolutionary or just more re-packaged obviousness, I have no idea. Amazon and Google are your friends.

      I

    2. Re:moving cheese and other management fads by TXG1112 · · Score: 1

      It is presumably a reference to the book, "Who Moved My Cheese?"

      It is a motivational book about dealing with change, and is frequently used by managers. It's been around for a while, so it's not the next big thing.

      --
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.
    3. Re:moving cheese and other management fads by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You're correct. I think it is an annoying and obvious book full of puffed-up advice, aimed at people with a 4th-grade education. I'd have no problem with it if it hadn't become so trendy. I had a job I liked that got bought by an evil tulsa-based corporation. The new management kept trying to convince me that my job hadn't become far less enjoyable, they had simply moved my cheese and I had better get used to it.

      I am fine at adjusting to change. I think it is crucial to be honest about change. If change makes things worse, it is imperative to recognize and express it. Stupid cheese book doesn't mean things aren't going down the drain.

      At the denver library they bought a copy for every single employee and had special "cheese moving" parties. Complete with actual cheese. To introduce draconian budget cuts. Morons.

      --
      Man, you really need that seminar!
  20. "make. people. stop. calling." by dpilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When did William Shatner do a stint in the ISP business?

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    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    1. Re:"make. people. stop. calling." by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      Not William Shatner, but Ed DeHart. Good call, though =_)

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      Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
  21. What To Do by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Join a trade union.
    2. Wait statutory 24 hours.
    3. Order your "Strike In a Box" pack. This contains everything you need to organise an effective industrial dispute:
      • 200 blank ballot forms seeking approval for industrial action
      • 200 pre-crossed ballot forms approving industrial action
      • 20 assorted placards
      • 2 loud-hailers
      • CD of protest chants, songs and slogans (incl. "Maggie Thatcher Has One, Ian McGregor Is One" and "Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle All the Way, I'd Sooner Be a Picket Than a Scab on Christmas Day")
      • 200 matching song sheets
      • 1 Easy-Light Brazier
      • 500m. "Official Picket Line - Do Not Cross" tape
      • 1 Order form for additional items incl. extra ballot forms, flying pickets (available by the coachload) &c.
      • 1 voucher for support from local Socialist Worker
    4. Go on strike
    5. Claim strike pay
    NB. You must become a member of a Trade Union at least 24 hours in advance of any industrial action. You will not be eligible for strike pay unless a ballot has been conducted and voted in favour of action. A picket line is not official unless a brazier is kept alight at all times.
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    Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
  22. Communication is the key to good management by raider_red · · Score: 1

    It's never good to put bottlenecks in the communications process. If the manager wants everything funnelled through him, then funnel EVERYTHING through him, including service tickets, requirements, information inquiries, etc. He'll eventually get tired of playing traffic cop.

    Also, if it's causing enough grief that you're no longer able to enjoy your job, it would be best for you to find another one. I see no gain in staying in a job you don't like.

    --
    It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
  23. Natural evolution. by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    You're just noticing a trend that's been going on for a little while now. IT has evolved into a service that most companies can't do business without. If you lose e-mail or your website goes down these days, you're pretty much out of business until it gets fixed. Accordingly, IT is being folded into the same kind of authoritarian rule that the rest of the business experiences. It's the same reason all the metrics and outsourcing have become so popular...upper management can't judge progress without measurements because they don't see what happens every day.

    IT's natural progression has been something like this:
    - 60s, 70s and 80s -- BOFH era. Computer guys were scary nerd types, no one wanted to deal with them; they just kept the reports flowing and the paychecks printed.
    - Early 90s -- Transition era. PCs have fully caught on, and computer guys are starting to lose their grip on all things IT.
    - Late 90s -- "Free for all" era. Technology at all costs. IT departments were often allowed to run rampant.
    - 2000s -- Recession mode, massive IT staff and spending cuts. At the same time, IT is now absolutely essential, and increasingly visible on mamagement's radar.

    Truth is, we have to get used to it. IT needs to be run more like an engineering discipline anyway.

  24. just leave them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sounds like the place i left a few months back because i was sick of how things were being managed. now i have a job i actually look forward to while i'm having my breakfast. colleagues that are just normal human beings.

    regardless of how "normal" the situation you describe might be, chances are, if it bothers you, you'll be happier somewhere else.

    oh, and it's not normal. it's bloody stupid. happy employees work better. that's the very first rule of sucessful management.

  25. Mod parent the _fuck_ up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's far too much of that authoritarian crap going on. Working conditions have historically only been improved through industrial action. Management is a very very important part of the working conditions, especially in IT and R&D departments and/or roles. Consider how much your manager(s) can interfere with the work that you are there to do? That's how important proper management is.

    Get in the union, already. Why? I'll give you a reason: union lawyers. These people specialize in employment-related law and offer their services to members of the union for free; that's what the union uses a part of your fees to pay. If you aren't in the union, then which lawyer can you afford to go to when (and not if; needing a lawyer's opinion is inevitable if you're at a company for more than six months) things go sour?

    "But I don't want to pay". Well, shit. Over here union membership fees are capped by the unions themselves. Mine is a few cents over 31 EUR per month, the limit. Considering the union's unemployment fund and its benefits for when things go seriously south, that's like a fly farting in the desert. (31 EUR also buys you 31 separately bought 0,33l bottles of rather nice beer, two weeks of food supplies (tops) if you cook your own, or a third of a night's drinks at an ordinary downtown Helsinki bar.) The price is definitely not too high.

    1. Re:Mod parent the _fuck_ up by nasch · · Score: 1

      "needing a lawyer's opinion is inevitable if you're at a company for more than six months"

      Huh? Why?

    2. Re:Mod parent the _fuck_ up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because that's the general time when employers start trying shit on their employees, especially in an under-unionized area like the computer-related professions are. In general it takes at least half a year for a previously (i.e. when you signed your contract) perfectly fine company's policies to swing around.

  26. Sigh by Arandir · · Score: 1

    It's too bad your place is like that. But fret not, while it is somewhat common, it isn't the norm. Out of all my friends working in technology, only one has a job vaguely resembling this.

    I am really starting to loathe my own company, and will be leaving soon. But as much as I don't like them, stifling legitimate expression is not one of their sins. It wasn't for lack of trying. This is a US division of a German company, and I get this attitude from most of the German executives. But we don't stand for it. We let our professional opinions be known, and it has never been counted against us. Pure negativity is frowned on, but legitimate opinions and expressions are encouraged. Sometimes <gasp> they will even heed our professional advice!

    --
    A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
  27. Sign of Organizational Immaturity by BStorm · · Score: 1

    It is not the sign of a maturing organization. It is the sign of the managers in the larger group consolidating their power. Has this bit of organizational idiocy been committed to paper as being offical policy? It is not in the interest of the larger organization, no matter how it has been spun as being for the greater good.

    That is the nature of the problem that you have. Despite the edicts from the 'larger group' there are things that can do keep your satisfaction. Continue to network with people in other departments but only in an informal context. If asked for information in your department let them know what the offical position of the managers are. Do not complain but stick to the facts.

    If queries come to you and others in your group via email about work and information that your shared previously unfettered, reply that any queries have to be directed to whomever the gatekeeper is. Check with your immediate supvervisor about the exact wording so that you do not unintentionally violate any of the gag orders.

    It is a CYA situation. When doing your work and you hit an informational roadblock that would of been easily taken care of by alternate communication, email the gatekeeper and request the information and of course cc your supervisor. Try and be proactive by requesting the information before you need it, but be detailed in the questions that you need answered and by whom and when you need the information by. Encourage your coworkers to do likewise.

    Review and update your C.V. and consider opprotunities that are presented. Enjoy your life outside of work. Consider starting up a personal project at home that challenges and engages you.

    --
    Research is what I doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner von Braun
  28. Buy in by scottjpearson · · Score: 0

    They're trying to force you to "buy into" the company's values. Study what management wants all you can. Then if you have something to contribute to their goals (including discussing about the company's goals), raise them with your manager. If he/she is actually interested in the company and not just in saving face, they'll listen to you. If they're just about prideful self-advancement, you may want to consider working elsewhere. "If the gold rusts, what will happen to the iron?" - Chaucer

  29. Google? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds like the start of the slippery slope that most small companies transitioning up tend to do.. It's a symptom of insecure (and thus poor) management.

    There _is_ a hard balance between 'too much information' interfering with a group's concentration, vs. the kind of open communication that is constructive and can lead to 'your chocolate is in my peanut butter' serendipity moments.

    Good, confident management will define expectations for work within and outside the group. It has the confidence of the group to be the point of contact for official communications with other groups. It has the confidence to not worry about informal communications outside the group. It has the confidence to know when it's wrong (for changing circumstances, mistaken assumptions, etc) and change course, and give credit where credit is due. A great manager has great people who do great things, and gets credit by giving it appropriately.

    If a company undercuts that, that company is ultimately fucked, unless it has a monopoly.

  30. Office Space by prescor · · Score: 1

    Have you seen "Office Space"?

    "It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't CARE."

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  31. Document Everything by cgreuter · · Score: 1

    I've been fortunate enough to never have had to work in a seriously disfunctional workplace. However, from what I've read, the best way to combat this sort of management style (or at least to avoid getting shafted when they start handing out blame) is to make sure you have everything in writing and then make sure you have a complete set of copies.

    Every time you have some objection to a decision, inform the manager of this in writing as a memo or email. If your company has some kind of system that automatically archives all project-related communication, that's ideal. But every time the manager asks you to do something that you consider a bad idea, you should make sure that there are records of

    1. Your objections to the order.
    2. Your manager's admitting to having read your objections and deciding to do it anyway.

    Remember to be polite and clear. Your intent should be to inform the manager of potential pitfalls with this decision, not to criticize. Any sort of rudeness will get you fingered as a malcontent and not a team player and it's vital that you come across as a perfect little cog in these records.

    Finally, make sure you have your own copies of all of this communication and that you them it at home, out of reach of any possible after-hours doctoring.

    Disclaimer: I've never yet had to do this, but I've read about it on USENET. Your mileage may vary.

    1. Re:Document Everything by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1
      Disclaimer: I've never yet had to do this, but I've read about it on USENET.

      A 'no experience AT ALL' disclaimer would be more reassuring than "I've read about it on USENET."

      --
      "It doesn't cost enough, and it makes too much sense."
    2. Re:Document Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother with all the documentation? In most states, you are an at-will employee which means that management can fire you at any time for any reason other than those covered by civil rights laws. The fact that you documented management incompetence will not gain you any leverage in a court of law in an at-will state and will not protect you from firing and will not get you your job back if they want to fire you.

      Just leave and be done with it.

  32. Girl Drink Drunk (apologies to Kids in the Hall) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boss: Ray, I'm sorry to have to tell you this... but you missed a whole week's work.

    Ray: But I can 'splain.

    Boss: No, Ray - no 'splanations necessary. It's your drinking. It's got out of control. Let's face it, Ray - you're a girl-drink drunk. We've got to let you go.

    Ray: Tsk!

    Russell: But you know, Ray, I can't help feeling responsible for your condition. But then, I can't help not caring. It's who I am! And I refuse to apologize for it. NOW GET OUT OF MY OFFICE before you start throwing up... little fruity things!

    Ray: Fine! But you know, you're not the only cardboard packaging company in town!

    Boss: Yes we are, Ray.

    Ray: [surprised] Oh? Oh well...

  33. Need More Info by oldCoder · · Score: 1

    We need to know exactly what they are doing. At least tell us what you mean by "information censorship" as this term is new to me. Do they censor technical information or is the database filtered for dirty words?

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    I18N == Intergalacticization
  34. Re:Clue Train online book url :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.cluetrain.com/book/index.html

    enjoy!

  35. Since nobody else mentioned it. by frogstar_robot · · Score: 1

    If in addition to being authoritarian, your higher-ups are stupid as well then do EVERYTHING EXACTLY like they tell you do to it. Document thoroughly and always be sure lines such as "TPS reports filed in quadruplicate as per J. Bossly's policy expressed in policy meeting of 3-2-06". Don't complain or whinge in this documentation. Simply make it clear that you were doing as you were told and who told you do it. It may not help but if a total asshole is making a mess of your department then chances are he's pissing off a bigger fish than he is. Hand those bigger fish every weapon they can use. You'll be fine because you were doing as your management instructed.

    Also, keep whinging to co-workers to a minimum or non-existent. Smile brightly and act as though things are just peachy. Don't hand others weapons to use on YOU.

    If none of this helps start quietly lining up another job; preferably at a smaller organization. Most management tomfoolery is a function of bureaucracy and bureaucracy is a function of size. Unless you yourself have pull then there is very little you can do when the management gets cute ideas.

  36. Do I work with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you my senior? You sound like my PM...

    We have the same problem of authoritarian management (unsurprisingly, our manager is a diehard religious nut and Dubya fan). Our company is a purely top-down organizational model -- just like any socialist bureaucracy, and just like most corporations actually. Nobody likes it, nobody's happy with it, and the supposed benefits of planning and organization that come with such an organizational model have yet to materialize outside the main development areas (and even there, we fall behind other major multinationals in our level of process/procedural standards).

    But, people stay because it's a job in an industry that few people actually *want* to work in, which keeps management in check and prevents us from working 80+ hours/week like game developers do.

    It's like working as a janitor or a horse fluffer or a biology teacher in Kansas -- the job sucks, but the stability of the company and/or pay and/or benefits and/or our own inability to compete for more-desireable jobs keeps us where we are...

    (I'm a regular posting as an AC for obvious reasons.)

  37. whaa whaa whaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Grow up

    2) you are getting paid, cash the fucking check and quit whining

  38. Um.. dude? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WAH.