Seems to be a lot of changes from the press release prototype in May
Size increase, Change from in OS from Ubunutu to Debian, removal of features listed, all to meet this $25 goal, while thats nice, how about a Model C or D which is closer to the original prototype, ie: size/form factor, with more memory 1GB, and switching or offering Ubuntu,
Debians great, but the DFSG is going to cause you problems with media programs ie: no support for MP3 unless your providing your own repos's with things recompiled to include LAME, MP3 support. Ubunutu will allow for simple apt-get or synaptic use to install a much richer selection of software with a lot more ease. Considering the crowd your aiming for using Ubunutu would be a better csae.
>How many people actually reboot their Linux systems?
Desktop and servers hardly ever...
>I guess if you're on a laptop you might sometimes, but I just use >Sleep functionality
Laptop is powered off every time I am done with using it...I never use sleep, hibernate, its buggy and prone to lossing work if you don't save it every 1 uS... never had it work on Linux or any other OS *reliabably* meaning 100% operation 100% of the time, no OOOPPS! I've deceived I don't want to come back on and have to pull the battery to get the thing to even boot... and loose anything or totaly meltdown of file systems etc... pass no thanks....
Power on, do my thing, power off, pack up and move on...
" didn't realize that Ubuntu was using Pulse by default - I thought that was more of a KDE thing. But it's not like it's hard to remove Pulse itself (just don't touch libpulseaudio) and revert to ALSA."
KDE does NOT use pulse except kubutunu variants,your confusing PHONON and pulse different things.
One is trash, pulse. Phonon is now the back end with several different supporting servers from XINE to VLC to operate the sound etc...
As for ALSA... unless they fixed it Canonicial REMOVED the OSS ALSA emulation in the kernels they packaged which will break things that depend on them or require a recompiled kernel on the box to run these.
Unreadable on Konqi 3.5.10
see:
http://www.tampascanner.info/slashdot_useless.jpg
After about 2-3 minutes got a ECMAScript taking too long error.
Post comment does not work
Moderation still doesn't work in Konqi.
So I won't be able to use the site. had to use Android to post this and it was SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWW.
Worse than the last upgrade.
"Why is this the case? Why isn't it easy to go into an electronics store and buy an unlocked phone at retail, and then take it to your T-Mobile store to get a SIM-only "Even More Plus" plan?"
Becuase the in the US the cell phone purchase model is NOT even remotely close to that of the process in the UK, EU, Asia, Polynisa, AU/NZ.
In the US you have:
Post Paid
Pre-Paid
SIMS only exist for GSM, UMTS, and iDEN
iDEN is specific to one, nextell, while its a SIM in the GSM sense you can't switch it between GSM and iDEN... you can from iDEN to iDEN handset and if its a Nextel SIM from Nextel to Boost, but the reverese requires the subsidy lock.
In the US if you don't qualify for Post Paid account either deposit free or choose not to pay the VERY HIGH DEPOSITS of VZW and ATT then you have to use pre paid
How you will proceed now depends on what type of phone and YOUR WILLINGNESS to PAY for the PHONE.
The carriers in the US make it VERY DIFFICULT to IMPOSSIBLE to move from carrier to carrier pre or post paid and reuse phones from carrier to carrier. From $350 ETF's to incompatible technology, to policy(s) which refuse to service any device not in the "OFFICIAL MEID/ESN Database."
Most users in the US purchase a VERY HEAVILY subsidized phone a DROID Pro is $700 retail, a 2 year contract and you probably walk out the door with it for $200. Throw in some promotions and possiby some credits for upgrades and your down to $100-150, and recently BOGO. Same goes for every phone out there. Unless you paid 100% retail, then you got a subsidy and are subject to a $175 to $350 ETF to get out.
Its a different world in the US cell market as compared to 99% of the rest of the world.
Google tried to initially buck this method and got the cold shoulder and stiff arm, go away.... Even with the future of everyone sans Clear/Sprexhoostgin on LTE, this is not likely to improve or change in the slightest in the US. The only way this changes is if the government puts regulation in place to curb the carriers actions, which probably would not end them all, would end up in court as restraint of trade etc...
I would love to see changes in this area, its very unlikely to happen in the US.
"Do you guys in the US not have a massive prepay market?"
No.
"prepay sims"
SIMS are only used by ATT, TMobile and for iDEN on Nextel/Boost iDEN
The PREDOMINANT carrier(s) in the US are CDMA, and not GSM or UMTS: Verizon Wireless is CDMA and does NOT use SIMS or RUIM (equivalent to SIM in CDMA) in 90% of its phones. Only "world edition" phones have a SIM. Matter of fact the TOP carriers in the US, nationwide (VZW) or regional (US Cellular, MetroPCS, Cricket) are ALL CDMA.. The two GSM and UMTS carriers rate at the bottom of the scale as last or second to last.
And even with att and tmetro moving from to the other is not even remotely close to the experience in the UK, EU, and other regions. Carriers in the US make it as difficult as possible. This is true even on CDMA.. Sprint REFUSES to put CDMA phone on their system that was not originally on their system to start. So if you want a sprint CDMA phone from the used market you have to purchase one that was specifically on sprint.
The model for cell phones in the US is VASTLY different than the rest of the world.
The phone doesn't stop working because you signed up for a contract. After two years, you continue on your plan just like it was during the contract... Want a new SUBSIDIZED phone then you will sign a new 2 year contract with ETF's etc.. You can upgrade to a new phone, or not. No cost changes, nothing... You can pick a phone on EBay or other source add it to replace your current phone and not be penalized if you don't like it with an ETF.
I've had the same cell phone carrier since they were created, a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. I am not about to switch. I purchased the phones outright upfront until the last 2.. I paid a grand total of $25 for a LG VX8610 Decoy and my newest a LG VS740 Ally. Break down $20 for the VX8610 non smartphone, and $0 for the VS740 'Droid based smartphone, $5 for a extended battery cover, just in case.
I normally prefer to purchase my phones so as not be tied to any thing specific and walk away to another phone on my whim. In these cases it was just more cost effective in the long run to get them from the carrier. I am not switching... COVERAGE COVERAGE COVERAGE and no one else compares to my carrier for that.
"I don't understand why more carriers don't sell more open phones"Th
REVENUE...
They are getting PAID to include things you can NOT REMOVE like Skype, CityID, etc... Most of these require additional costs to use...thus if they are there and CAN NOT BE REMOVED your more likely to try it sign up and KACHING! Subscription and $$$$. I have ZERO INTEREST, as most do, in MANY of the applications... I use BackupAssistant and Mobile Recovery..the rest I would love to remove, as it takes up space MY CHOSEN software could use... I am not going to use any of the other software that the carrier thinks I need.. Sadly the only way to do this is root the device.
Google has/had the RIGHT methodology, but they found out REAL QUICK that the carriers, except TMetro[Mobile] are NOT going to go along with that plan, in the US. The reason TMetro[Mobile] does is its roots in EU & UK as Deutsche Telecom.. Different game plan in the EU, UK, and most other areas.
In the US you will lock the device down and include what we want or we won't sell it. Motorola and others NAND lock crap is just furthering access to the carriers. They want to make it as difficult as possible.
I would LOVE to see Google push this a LOT MORE, but they force this topic too much and the carriers will start dropping the devices for RIM, and wimp7 etc..
"Linux, as has been mentioned many, many times, is not Unix."
Didn't say it was.
"There is no reason any of those organizations would or should be interested in ownership of something that doesn't benefit them in the slightest. It just doesn't make any sense."
It makes perfect sense.. The current game in IP/trademark/copyright BS is to own anything and every thing that might be related or used against some company, some one in the future. Till this crap is eliminated, not likely in my lifetime or any of the next few generations, its best this is held by friendly hands. Friendly hands that are vetted and cleared by community and "doesn't benefit them in the slightest." Thats the goal.Their locked down, and not able to used against Linux, or any one EXCEPT when its an attack against *NIX including Linux if it helps.
Till the game and rules are changed the game will have to be played with the current rules.
All property related to *NIX needs to be in the hands of friendly *NIX companies. I prefer Linus. I'll go down from there, OIN, EFF, OSF (with the caveat that RMS is not permitted to be involved in any shape, form, factor, or even to know about it.)
IBM, Red Hat, and who ever else is trotted out.. is a bad choice if they are even in the least little bit greed oriented, err.. profit seeking.. Create an independent holder for this governed by a board of the community WITH INVOLVEMENT from ACTUAL USERS, meaning some random Linux chosen for a 2 year term or something. Other members would be Linus by default and permanent, then membership from some big Linux companies.
Till the crap of ip/trademark/copyright is killed off Linux has to protect itself on ALL FRONTS regardless of whether there is even any use of Unix code. The way Linux does this is to put the Unix IP into the hands of proper caretakers.
LICENSED Xenix from ATT... ** LICENSED ** which led to the whole SCO mess, and thus proven that ms and SCO own NOTHING.
Big difference.
They own nothing IP/trademark/copyright of Unix System 7 basis for Xenix.... LICENSED.
I reiterate that these patents/trademarks/IP etc. of Unix need to be in the hands of EFF, OSF, OIN, or preferably Linus.
I don't trust IBM with it, and most definitely NOT Red Hat. Just because RH makes a lot of contributions doesn't make them a good choice for custodians of this type of material till its completely invalidated. I can just see RH trying to make $$$ off this to which Linux is harmed... I just don't trust RH any more...and I am not willing to risk this material to them to see that they play nice in the sandbox.
Regardless of whether these are valid or not, and regardless of whether there even should be IP, trademark, or copyright... at this point in time this BS still exists and "The Unix Patents" that novell own[s|ed] need to be in the hands of FRIENDLY *NIX entities and most definitely NOT MS, EVER, PERIOD!
Turn them over to the EFF, OSF, or Linus himself, but this needs to be put to bed to kill off any more SCO Zombies in the future.
There are also needs to be disclosure on exactly what it is ms is getting.
Pretty obvious this is a way to kill off the WordPerfect litigation. But what else?
Oh... and Attachmate you STILL BLEW IT! Send monoboi packing! ! ! ! ! We don't want him or his disease! He desperately wants to work for ms, so grant his wish already.
So SUSE is still embargo'd and can't be used. Sad, really sad, for a once great distro.
Two segments which probably total 10 seconds and this woman can now cash in.... she is probably the hotest thing out there right now.
For me the theres a third segment with the redheaded bride.. but I prefer redheads. Both would be full time distractions over some stupid phone.... but unfortunately I see alot of people like that, just another reason why I don't have a smart phone.
The ad is a great hit, spot on to the lusers of the crackberry, but the disease is present on all the similar phones users.
Now... lets discuss the fines, sanctions, and penalties against the various parties for WASTING THE COURTS TIME!
QUINTSEPTILLION times the cost of all lawyers fees associated with the defendants defense.
QUINTSEPTILLION times the cost for use of the courtroom, stenographers, baliffs, judge.
Automatic DISBARMENT in ALL 50 STATES, Territories, Pacific Islands and any other country, planet, or universe for ALL LAWYERS involved! BOTH SIDES!
Forced retirement of the judge for prolonging this BS crap.
Lets follow the bouncing ball here... this is not a crime, its not an issue for the courts, civil and especially not criminial, except for the criminals at the **AA's and their cronies which includes every one from the janitors at the **AA to the president of these crime syndicates. The initials RICO come to mind!
We have more important things to be concerned with!
" None of those numbers ends in zero...all are a pain to convert."
Your lax educational system which can not offer the math skills needed to convert from various weights and measures is not a problem that needs resolved via a new system.
Slashdot Mirror
Seems to be a lot of changes from the press release prototype in May
Size increase, Change from in OS from Ubunutu to Debian, removal of features listed, all to meet this $25 goal, while thats nice, how about a Model C or D which is closer to the original prototype, ie: size/form factor, with more memory 1GB, and switching or offering Ubuntu,
Debians great, but the DFSG is going to cause you problems with media programs ie: no support for MP3 unless your providing your own repos's with things recompiled to include LAME, MP3 support. Ubunutu will allow for simple apt-get or synaptic use to install a much richer selection of software with a lot more ease. Considering the crowd your aiming for using Ubunutu would be a better csae.
Synergy
http://synergy-foss.org/
>How many people actually reboot their Linux systems?
Desktop and servers hardly ever...
>I guess if you're on a laptop you might sometimes, but I just use >Sleep functionality
Laptop is powered off every time I am done with using it...I never use sleep, hibernate, its buggy and prone to lossing work if you don't save it every 1 uS... never had it work on Linux or any other OS *reliabably* meaning 100% operation 100% of the time, no OOOPPS! I've deceived I don't want to come back on and have to pull the battery to get the thing to even boot... and loose anything or totaly meltdown of file systems etc... pass no thanks....
Power on, do my thing, power off, pack up and move on...
"Have IT staff ever ridiculed you for asking questions about Linux?"
NOPE! Exactly the opposite... I ridicule for use of any NON LINUX OS and software! HEAVILY!
" didn't realize that Ubuntu was using Pulse by default - I thought that was more of a KDE thing. But it's not like it's hard to remove Pulse itself (just don't touch libpulseaudio) and revert to ALSA."
KDE does NOT use pulse except kubutunu variants,your confusing PHONON and pulse different things.
One is trash, pulse. Phonon is now the back end with several different supporting servers from XINE to VLC to operate the sound etc...
As for ALSA... unless they fixed it Canonicial REMOVED the OSS ALSA emulation in the kernels they packaged which will break things that depend on them or require a recompiled kernel on the box to run these.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/579300?comments=all
Mailing list?
Does this have the optional VFP core for floating point operations??
If you want to keep the list off the public posts send it to me at s l a s h d o t AT w p a s c a n n e r DOT c o m
Unreadable on Konqi 3.5.10 see: http://www.tampascanner.info/slashdot_useless.jpg After about 2-3 minutes got a ECMAScript taking too long error. Post comment does not work Moderation still doesn't work in Konqi. So I won't be able to use the site. had to use Android to post this and it was SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWW. Worse than the last upgrade.
Definition of a patent troll:
Has patent(s)
Sues anyone over the patents
Patents are evil, wrong, and must be eliminated.
Lets look at another sector of the Motorola phone division, iDEN..
i1 - V1.5 when 2.1 was just released
i886 - About to be released, and guess what... V1.5! AGAIN!
Oh.. an update to the i1, fixes some bugs.. but STILL 1.5!
The reason... motorola is too lazy to update 2.2, 2.3 to work with the iDEN baseband.. so they just keep releasing devices with this.
The outcry from the iDEN crowd about this was not pleasant and then the efuse crap hit the Droids and the bad 'tude at M started to really kick in!
So the OS that SAVED THE PHONE DIVISION is going to RUN OFF CUSTOMERS ! ?! ?!?!?!? Is that really a good marketing strategy?
WE don't want you to purchase our phones! Go away! ! !
I was looking at a Droid Pro.. but the "go away" 'tude..
OK I will! And did... I got an LG! And saved $150!
Bad move motorola... kiss the phone division goodbye!
"Why is this the case? Why isn't it easy to go into an electronics store and buy an unlocked phone at retail, and then take it to your T-Mobile store to get a SIM-only "Even More Plus" plan?"
Becuase the in the US the cell phone purchase model is NOT even remotely close to that of the process in the UK, EU, Asia, Polynisa, AU/NZ.
In the US you have:
Post Paid
Pre-Paid
SIMS only exist for GSM, UMTS, and iDEN
iDEN is specific to one, nextell, while its a SIM in the GSM sense you can't switch it between GSM and iDEN... you can from iDEN to iDEN handset and if its a Nextel SIM from Nextel to Boost, but the reverese requires the subsidy lock.
In the US if you don't qualify for Post Paid account either deposit free or choose not to pay the VERY HIGH DEPOSITS of VZW and ATT then you have to use pre paid
How you will proceed now depends on what type of phone and YOUR WILLINGNESS to PAY for the PHONE.
The carriers in the US make it VERY DIFFICULT to IMPOSSIBLE to move from carrier to carrier pre or post paid and reuse phones from carrier to carrier. From $350 ETF's to incompatible technology, to policy(s) which refuse to service any device not in the "OFFICIAL MEID/ESN Database."
Most users in the US purchase a VERY HEAVILY subsidized phone a DROID Pro is $700 retail, a 2 year contract and you probably walk out the door with it for $200. Throw in some promotions and possiby some credits for upgrades and your down to $100-150, and recently BOGO. Same goes for every phone out there. Unless you paid 100% retail, then you got a subsidy and are subject to a $175 to $350 ETF to get out.
Its a different world in the US cell market as compared to 99% of the rest of the world.
Google tried to initially buck this method and got the cold shoulder and stiff arm, go away.... Even with the future of everyone sans Clear/Sprexhoostgin on LTE, this is not likely to improve or change in the slightest in the US. The only way this changes is if the government puts regulation in place to curb the carriers actions, which probably would not end them all, would end up in court as restraint of trade etc...
I would love to see changes in this area, its very unlikely to happen in the US.
"Do you guys in the US not have a massive prepay market?"
No.
"prepay sims"
SIMS are only used by ATT, TMobile and for iDEN on Nextel/Boost iDEN
The PREDOMINANT carrier(s) in the US are CDMA, and not GSM or UMTS: Verizon Wireless is CDMA and does NOT use SIMS or RUIM (equivalent to SIM in CDMA) in 90% of its phones. Only "world edition" phones have a SIM. Matter of fact the TOP carriers in the US, nationwide (VZW) or regional (US Cellular, MetroPCS, Cricket) are ALL CDMA.. The two GSM and UMTS carriers rate at the bottom of the scale as last or second to last.
And even with att and tmetro moving from to the other is not even remotely close to the experience in the UK, EU, and other regions. Carriers in the US make it as difficult as possible. This is true even on CDMA.. Sprint REFUSES to put CDMA phone on their system that was not originally on their system to start. So if you want a sprint CDMA phone from the used market you have to purchase one that was specifically on sprint.
The model for cell phones in the US is VASTLY different than the rest of the world.
"What good is your old phone without a contract?"
The phone doesn't stop working because you signed up for a contract. After two years, you continue on your plan just like it was during the contract... Want a new SUBSIDIZED phone then you will sign a new 2 year contract with ETF's etc.. You can upgrade to a new phone, or not. No cost changes, nothing... You can pick a phone on EBay or other source add it to replace your current phone and not be penalized if you don't like it with an ETF.
I've had the same cell phone carrier since they were created, a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. I am not about to switch. I purchased the phones outright upfront until the last 2.. I paid a grand total of $25 for a LG VX8610 Decoy and my newest a LG VS740 Ally. Break down $20 for the VX8610 non smartphone, and $0 for the VS740 'Droid based smartphone, $5 for a extended battery cover, just in case.
I normally prefer to purchase my phones so as not be tied to any thing specific and walk away to another phone on my whim. In these cases it was just more cost effective in the long run to get them from the carrier. I am not switching... COVERAGE COVERAGE COVERAGE and no one else compares to my carrier for that.
"I don't understand why more carriers don't sell more open phones"Th
REVENUE...
They are getting PAID to include things you can NOT REMOVE like Skype, CityID, etc... Most of these require additional costs to use...thus if they are there and CAN NOT BE REMOVED your more likely to try it sign up and KACHING! Subscription and $$$$. I have ZERO INTEREST, as most do, in MANY of the applications... I use BackupAssistant and Mobile Recovery..the rest I would love to remove, as it takes up space MY CHOSEN software could use... I am not going to use any of the other software that the carrier thinks I need.. Sadly the only way to do this is root the device.
Google has/had the RIGHT methodology, but they found out REAL QUICK that the carriers, except TMetro[Mobile] are NOT going to go along with that plan, in the US. The reason TMetro[Mobile] does is its roots in EU & UK as Deutsche Telecom.. Different game plan in the EU, UK, and most other areas.
In the US you will lock the device down and include what we want or we won't sell it. Motorola and others NAND lock crap is just furthering access to the carriers. They want to make it as difficult as possible.
I would LOVE to see Google push this a LOT MORE, but they force this topic too much and the carriers will start dropping the devices for RIM, and wimp7 etc..
"Do you even know what the CSIRO does?"
Yes.. and the BLEW all that when they played the PATENT CARD on 802.11a/b.
Find another way to fund your research. Patent trolling is not the way.
"Using your definition every company that takes another company to court for patent violations is a "patent troll"."
Correct! Patents, IP, copyright and trademark ALL need to be ABOLISHED. May have suited the 18th century but the 21st century they need to go!
No it means exactly what I think it does.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/22/csiros-patent-lawsuits-conclude-with-the-final-13-companies-set/
This was purely a move to make $$$ when 802.11b/g/n took off.
You don't get to have it both ways of being in good standing in the community and sue over patents.
No rewards for those who use patents against the community.
Hello... lest we forget this is from CSIRO!
PATENT TROLLS!
No thanks.
Don't care how great an idea it is, if it even leaves AUS, its from CSIRO and thus should be shunned for their patent trolling ways.
"Linux, as has been mentioned many, many times, is not Unix."
Didn't say it was.
"There is no reason any of those organizations would or should be interested in ownership of something that doesn't benefit them in the slightest. It just doesn't make any sense."
It makes perfect sense.. The current game in IP/trademark/copyright BS is to own anything and every thing that might be related or used against some company, some one in the future. Till this crap is eliminated, not likely in my lifetime or any of the next few generations, its best this is held by friendly hands. Friendly hands that are vetted and cleared by community and "doesn't benefit them in the slightest." Thats the goal.Their locked down, and not able to used against Linux, or any one EXCEPT when its an attack against *NIX including Linux if it helps.
Till the game and rules are changed the game will have to be played with the current rules.
All property related to *NIX needs to be in the hands of friendly *NIX companies. I prefer Linus. I'll go down from there, OIN, EFF, OSF (with the caveat that RMS is not permitted to be involved in any shape, form, factor, or even to know about it.)
IBM, Red Hat, and who ever else is trotted out.. is a bad choice if they are even in the least little bit greed oriented, err.. profit seeking.. Create an independent holder for this governed by a board of the community WITH INVOLVEMENT from ACTUAL USERS, meaning some random Linux chosen for a 2 year term or something. Other members would be Linus by default and permanent, then membership from some big Linux companies.
Till the crap of ip/trademark/copyright is killed off Linux has to protect itself on ALL FRONTS regardless of whether there is even any use of Unix code. The way Linux does this is to put the Unix IP into the hands of proper caretakers.
ms, is not one
IBM is not one
Red Hat is NOT ONE.
"Like... Microsoft? (Xenix, remember?)"
LICENSED Xenix from ATT... ** LICENSED ** which led to the whole SCO mess, and thus proven that ms and SCO own NOTHING.
Big difference.
They own nothing IP/trademark/copyright of Unix System 7 basis for Xenix.... LICENSED.
I reiterate that these patents/trademarks/IP etc. of Unix need to be in the hands of EFF, OSF, OIN, or preferably Linus.
I don't trust IBM with it, and most definitely NOT Red Hat. Just because RH makes a lot of contributions doesn't make them a good choice for custodians of this type of material till its completely invalidated. I can just see RH trying to make $$$ off this to which Linux is harmed... I just don't trust RH any more...and I am not willing to risk this material to them to see that they play nice in the sandbox.
Here is the MISSING LINK:
http://www.novell.com/company/ir/message.html
And this is still NOT GOOD.
Regardless of whether these are valid or not, and regardless of whether there even should be IP, trademark, or copyright... at this point in time this BS still exists and "The Unix Patents" that novell own[s|ed] need to be in the hands of FRIENDLY *NIX entities and most definitely NOT MS, EVER, PERIOD!
Turn them over to the EFF, OSF, or Linus himself, but this needs to be put to bed to kill off any more SCO Zombies in the future.
There are also needs to be disclosure on exactly what it is ms is getting.
Pretty obvious this is a way to kill off the WordPerfect litigation. But what else?
Oh... and Attachmate you STILL BLEW IT! Send monoboi packing! ! ! ! ! We don't want him or his disease! He desperately wants to work for ms, so grant his wish already.
So SUSE is still embargo'd and can't be used. Sad, really sad, for a once great distro.
"an essential for me as my biz is an MS shop."
Fanboi... Done... Next...
You've drank the Flavor-Ade... so its too late.
The phone is a flop as expected from the Janey Come Lately, no surprise there....
but the BIG success is the AD...
Few ads generate as much talk about the ad over the product than this...
Two segments in particular are generating a lot of posts on web sites... thats the Mystery Woman in the Black Lingerie...
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-windows-7-phone-commercial-and-a-lingerie-clad-woman-a303721
Two segments which probably total 10 seconds and this woman can now cash in.... she is probably the hotest thing out there right now.
For me the theres a third segment with the redheaded bride.. but I prefer redheads. Both would be full time distractions over some stupid phone.... but unfortunately I see alot of people like that, just another reason why I don't have a smart phone.
The ad is a great hit, spot on to the lusers of the crackberry, but the disease is present on all the similar phones users.
A+ Marketing, F- phone, F- OS
This is not the phone you want! Android!
$0 is correct!
Now... lets discuss the fines, sanctions, and penalties against the various parties for WASTING THE COURTS TIME!
QUINTSEPTILLION times the cost of all lawyers fees associated with the defendants defense.
QUINTSEPTILLION times the cost for use of the courtroom, stenographers, baliffs, judge.
Automatic DISBARMENT in ALL 50 STATES, Territories, Pacific Islands and any other country, planet, or universe for ALL LAWYERS involved! BOTH SIDES!
Forced retirement of the judge for prolonging this BS crap.
Lets follow the bouncing ball here... this is not a crime, its not an issue for the courts, civil and especially not criminial, except for the criminals at the **AA's and their cronies which includes every one from the janitors at the **AA to the president of these crime syndicates. The initials RICO come to mind!
We have more important things to be concerned with!
"ounces in a pound"
16lbs
"how many pounds in a hundredweight"
112lbs
"how many pounds in a ton?"
2000lbs to the ton.
" None of those numbers ends in zero...all are a pain to convert."
Your lax educational system which can not offer the math skills needed to convert from various weights and measures is not a problem that needs resolved via a new system.
Its Toast!
Its going now where except to being a very PRICEY not up to the task PAID software that is not even on par with VMWare Player/Server/ESXi.
Suse was ruined the minute novell purchased it and then made the deal with the devil and its posterboi monoboi miguel.
No thanks!
You'd be wrong. Sort of.
NO thanks on the DRM...
NO thanks on the flash....just like on every other OS... if there is something that crashes, causes a crash... this is it!
NO thanks on the H.264...
NO thanks on the disease either... miguel and novell can peddle that crap elsewhere.
This disease is just as bad for Linux as H.264, no thanks.