I guess this is the difference between your view and my view. I see Savage's redefinition of Santorum's name as only loosely related to what he said. If he made Rick Santorum equal closed minded homophobe much like Benedict Arnold equals traitor, that would be valid.
You're right, Santorum was immature and exceptional ignorant first, and he should have been reprimanded, in my mind removed from office, for what he said but he did it first is no excuse.
I'm not sure how you drew your conclusion. I said up front I thought what Santorum said was horrible. I don't think Santorum should get a pass, as a matter of fact as a public official I think he should be held to an even higher standard, in fact I thought Santorum should have been removed from office in 2003 for his comments and was ecstatic when he lost the election in 2006.
For some reason you make the assumption that I think what Santorum said was ok, I decidedly do not think that or that Santorum should get a pass on his comments. I think the comparison he made crossed the line so far he should have been removed from office. I’m actually somewhat disgusted that Santorum can even be making a run at the nomination. I'm totally fine with Savage's site being ranked so high and I'm fine with almost everything he said. If Savage made Rick Santorum synonymous with closed minded homophobe I'd be fine with that, but he didn't he made the name a sex term, that's line I think was crossed.
I disagree with your belief that the only way to win is to go negative or go tit for tat. Let them say their stupid things. Call them out on it. Show everyone their idiocy. You will win over new people which will bring change. Be as polarizing as they are and all you do is isolate yourself. You begin to look petty and ignorant and people stay away. Do you really want to become what you call out the Republicans for?
I don't think a lot of the posters here realize what Dan Savage is doing. As a disclaimer I think Santorum's views on homosexuality are horrible I disagree with a lot of his platform, I actively discourage people from considering him. What Savage is doing goes above and beyond what is reasonable. He's not just bashing him for his narrow minded views he took his named and turned it into a juvenile sex term. That's what goes to far. That's what takes it from political discourse to childishness. Bash Santorum, rip him apart for what he says, he deserves it, but don't go down that immature road. The trivializing of his name does more then just affect him. He has kids who have to deal with it and there are other people with the same name that have to deal with this as well. What if a conservative said I disagree with Obama on X, let's come up with a derogatory sex term for Obama and plaster it all over the web. I would bet most of the people here saying it's something he should deal with would be changing their tune, of course I think a lot of people on Santorum's side would change as well, and that's the problem. We need to hold a level of reasonable treatment whether we like a candidate or not. Treat the opposition the same way we treat our candidate of choice. Hammer them when they say something stupid, hold them to task, fight against their spread of ignorance, but don't descend into childish name calling and what is essentially bullying.
I've often wondered if it time we really need to start thinking about a shorter work week or more vacation time. For the longest time we always had a labor shortage, of varying degrees, where is we automated one job, there was another area that would sink those people, or a large chunk of them. Today, where are those people going to go? I read an article about a power company switching to smart meters that would automate meter reading and they were planning to lay off some 8000 meter readers. They're obviously not highly skilled workers, but they're also not no skill workers. I think it's one of the problems with this economic recovery and the past couple we're replacing lost jobs with increased efficiency and no organization is going to willingly become less efficient.
I really think there aren't enough jobs. There's less bloody edge research. Less bloody edge production. Technology is replacing old man in the middle work and making scientists more efficient overall. I have two examples from a friend of mine.
My friend is a hiring manager for a manufacturing division of Pfizer. They had a scientist quit and needed a replacement, which is rare for Pfizer, normally they just say do more with less, elaborated more later. They posted the job with needs at least a BS, MS preferred. They got almost 250 applicants in the first 36 hours after posting, just under 50 of them were PhDs. A couple of the PhDs were looking to swap companies but the vast majority have been unemployed or teaching the odd class at a college here or there.
Another telling sign is the division my friend works for has shrunk every year for the past 11 years. They haven't removed product from production or reduced the amounts of any product produced. They've actually more that doubled the output of a couple drugs. Which directly doubles the amount of quality testing and other work that needs to be done. Some groups have seen better than 80% reduction in staffing. There are only about 40% of the number people with engineer/scientist titles at the site then there were 10 years ago, and remember, this is a site that's only increased the amount of drug being produced, so it's not like these people left because a product got cut.
I think it's more of break even on cost, with different drawbacks. Sure you save on gas and car costs, but that's proportional to your distance from the office. If you combine trips into your commute the savings starts to get reduced. I noticed a pretty big jump in at home costs. AC or heat on more often. I had to bump up my internet service to get more bandwidth because online apps I had to use were just too slow. All printing costs became mine. I could use the printer at work but that requires a road trip and defeats the purpose. Keeping my computers running all day at home also eats some more power, as does keeping lights on in the office. With the amount of equipment I had and the paperwork I had to do I needed a dedicated office space, which is really a hidden cost. The big drawback I found with working from home is that everyone expects you to always be working. Most people will respond just don't answer the phone, or set hours, but in practice it's a lot more difficult. Everything becomes a one off and it's just this time you need to sit on a 10PM call, or pull some files you wouldn't ordinarily have access to.
I went from an office to telecommute to my choice, which is really the best of both worlds.
Let's make sure were talking the same thing. In terms of programmer take home pay gl4ss is probably spot on, it's about what I could pay when I owned my own small shop. What I charged the company was 2-3 times more depending on the work, so in the $75 to $105/hr range.
Hanging Chad is spot on for what bigger shops charge a company, starting at $185 going up to $400 for the most senior people. Granted none of this is take home to the end programmers, the big shops don't give their people much more then I did, even though they charged significantly more.
Overall the 40-50M, as big as it seems, seems about right for a multi-year project outsource to one of the big consulting companies. I think it's way to much but that's what these companies charge. I've seen one company charge almost 100k/per month for some of their "specialists" for fixed scope work. I'm sure the likes of Nokia and other large companies in Finland pay rates like this.
For browsing general webpages Firefox seems to work quite well, however a lot of the webpages I browse for work, low volume behind corporate firewall type pages FF dies a horrible death constantly. IE seems to be the only browser that works reliably on some companies private pages probably because they were initially designed with and for the IE hegemony. Because of this I tend to switch between IE and FF fairly frequently and I really have to say while FF does tend to be faster, IE is by far more stable. Also what happen to FF not being a memory resource hog. My FF browser, just viewing slashdot consume near 300MB of memory while IE consume about 30MB, I know memory consumption numbers from task manager need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially when MSFT is involved but it's a big diff. I have pretty much the same plugins on each, nothing special. It almost seems that from some standpoints IE and FF have flopped.
I posted an update before you posted I used less than and grater then signs and inadvertently blocked out a chunk of my post. My numbers are 2010 estimates. less then 100k in the US and more then 415k worldwide. I heard that IBM actually employs more people in India now then in the US. I'm trying to find the article that had the numbers, all the numbers are estimates of course because IBM is no longer publishing any headcount information other then the worldwide number.
While IBM does charge per MIP for their hardware, from what I've seen the real cost is the software, as it seems is the case with almost all hardware/software. I heard CA makes more then 2x off Mainframe software then IBM does off hardware which is why IBM has all that zip/zap stuff for decreasing the application MIP and increasing the hardware cost. I would be curious how software would be priced per real processor MIP or per virtual MIP. I can't really imagine who would want to run a large virtual mainframe anyway, sure there might be some 1 off app some people would like to export, but the vast majority of users, I just can't see it.
>Probably very close to dropping below 50% American employees.
IBM probably started employing less then 50% US employee's in the 90's. IBM is probably employing less then 25% US employee's currently. Last I heard US headcount was 400k.
What if the car companies started using a model similar to most hardware vendors in that they separate the hardware from the software within the product. For example you buy a Honda, it costs 20k for the car and 5k for some new product called an adaptive usage system, which can be the software that assists in the control of the brakes, steering, and engine. If you sell the car, and you have every right to, you are only selling the hardware the software must be re-licensed. You have every right to sell the car, I have every right to buy it, I just don't have a right to use it unless I re-license the software.
As the contractee you are not required to file the payment with IRS if it is less the $600. As a contractor you must report all income regardless of whether the contractee filed the income or not.
I do a lot of storage work and whenever the talk comes to spindle counts I've always wondered this as well. Since the only thing no scaling in hard drives these days are the rotational and read speeds adding another head could double the single drive throughput and IOPS. I've looked into it and found 100's of patents on the idea, and one drive from 1986 that had multiple heads, it had 8 if I remember correctly, looked to be the size of a record player, held 200 MB, and cost 250k.
I think this solution is quite interesting and probably fits their needs but comparing it to the storage solutions of the vendors listed is quite ridiculous. Another thing to note, there are vendors, NEXSAN, that sell cheaper storage systems, that while still more expensive then this, would have probably meet their needs.
The first issue is high availability. There are many single points of failure on this box. There is only a single controller. The power supplies are not redundant. With the number of drives a single fan failure might lead to and high enough heat to damage components. Single port back plane. No NVRAM. The only thing that isn't a single point of failure are the drives themselves because they are in a RAID6 config but I still see a problem with that, their configuration uses no hot spares.
A high end storage system is going to have multiple controllers, redundant power supplies, be able to sustain multiple fan failures, multiple back planes with interposer cards. It's also going to have NVRAM that should a power failure occur acknowledge cached data would not be lost.
The second issue is maintenance. A high end storage system systems parts are high accessible and often hot swappable. A controller goes out, it's like changing a Nintendo cartridge. With this box if anything goes except a drive, the box is coming down. If you are a replacing a drive you'll have to slide the box out, hopefully you left enough clearance for the power cords when you slide it out, then you have to pop in a new drive, and hopefully not break the SATA connector on the back plane. Oh man, I forgot to put on a new rubber band, I mean vibration dampner.
What's the performance of this box like? With software RAID and only a single processor with no ASIC acceleration for anything I would have to imagine the processor is going to get pretty bogged down. With a high end box everything is pretty much designed, within reason, to make the drives the ultimate performance bottleneck. Can this systems fully utilize all the drives or can the drives deliver more IOPS and throughput then the controller can handle?
Extra features. What does this box offer in terms of volume copying, flash copying, and remote mirroring? The value of an enterprise solution is that it provides the features that keep it working 99.999% of the time, not just 99%. I see so many possible areas where data could possibly be lost or corrupted.
A couple of comments have suggested this just being a block in a bigger solution, treating it just like a drive. In that case you are going to have to a additional layer of redundancy, probably a mirror. With a straight mirror you are going to see a doubling in cost of hardware, infrastructure, power and cooling, which is going to start disrupting cost/benefit of this solution.
If you just want a bunch of file space accessible through HTTP with the ability to tolerate the occasional loss of data and downtime, this solution will work fine. If data loss or downtime means the loss of data or jobs, you'll go with one of the major storage vendors.
Your assessment says that US companies spend 15% more then Euro companies but doesn't address what I think the original poster was trying to get at and that is that the profits made on drugs sold to US consumers pays for drug research. In other words AmeriDrug and EuroDrug both have a blockbuster drug. Both drugs are sold in the US for $20/pill and in Europe for $2/pill. If the real cost of production and distribution is the same, say $1, both companies are only making $1/pill from European consumers and $19/pill from Americans. Both companies are also hard at work developing their next drug using the profits from their last most of which came from Americans. How true is all of this, I don't know I'm just speaking from the hypothetical, but from what I hear about Canadian drug prices I'm pretty sure there is a certain degree of validity to the statement, how much, who knows, but there is probably some sort of paper on it somewhere out there.
I have the Time Warner DVR and boy am I glad I rent and not own. I've been using the DVR for about 3 years maybe 4 and I can'tcount the number of times I've run to the Time Warner kiosk at the mall and exchanged a dead for a new one. Whenever I go to swap one out there are always several stacks of boxes 3 ft high or so of returns. On the bright side I guess I always have the best Scientific Atlanta box time warner has to offer.
My buddy had his truck stolen with EZ-Pass ( automatic toll payment system for those non-eastcoasters). He filled out the police reports and all the other crap. About a month later he realized the guys who stole his truck were still using his EZ-Pass driving around Jersey and they were going though the same toll boothes about the same time everyday. So he staked out the toll booth and at their usual time he saw them zip through the EZ-pass lane in his truck. So he went through himself and called the state troopers to report he found his stolen truck and it was on the turnpike. The cops were more concerned about whether he was using a hands free headset or not then getting the people who stole his truck. So he eventually followed the people to their house and called the cops again saying he was driving around and spotted his stolen truck, the cops said they would look into it. The next day he found they had done nothing so he drove up with another guy and stole the truck back with his spare key, which is when he learned it's a pain in the ass to get a car declared unstolen.
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Probably dead already. Zombies posting AC in order to hide the coming surge.
I guess this is the difference between your view and my view. I see Savage's redefinition of Santorum's name as only loosely related to what he said. If he made Rick Santorum equal closed minded homophobe much like Benedict Arnold equals traitor, that would be valid. You're right, Santorum was immature and exceptional ignorant first, and he should have been reprimanded, in my mind removed from office, for what he said but he did it first is no excuse.
I'm not sure how you drew your conclusion. I said up front I thought what Santorum said was horrible. I don't think Santorum should get a pass, as a matter of fact as a public official I think he should be held to an even higher standard, in fact I thought Santorum should have been removed from office in 2003 for his comments and was ecstatic when he lost the election in 2006.
For some reason you make the assumption that I think what Santorum said was ok, I decidedly do not think that or that Santorum should get a pass on his comments. I think the comparison he made crossed the line so far he should have been removed from office. I’m actually somewhat disgusted that Santorum can even be making a run at the nomination. I'm totally fine with Savage's site being ranked so high and I'm fine with almost everything he said. If Savage made Rick Santorum synonymous with closed minded homophobe I'd be fine with that, but he didn't he made the name a sex term, that's line I think was crossed. I disagree with your belief that the only way to win is to go negative or go tit for tat. Let them say their stupid things. Call them out on it. Show everyone their idiocy. You will win over new people which will bring change. Be as polarizing as they are and all you do is isolate yourself. You begin to look petty and ignorant and people stay away. Do you really want to become what you call out the Republicans for?
I don't think a lot of the posters here realize what Dan Savage is doing. As a disclaimer I think Santorum's views on homosexuality are horrible I disagree with a lot of his platform, I actively discourage people from considering him. What Savage is doing goes above and beyond what is reasonable. He's not just bashing him for his narrow minded views he took his named and turned it into a juvenile sex term. That's what goes to far. That's what takes it from political discourse to childishness. Bash Santorum, rip him apart for what he says, he deserves it, but don't go down that immature road. The trivializing of his name does more then just affect him. He has kids who have to deal with it and there are other people with the same name that have to deal with this as well. What if a conservative said I disagree with Obama on X, let's come up with a derogatory sex term for Obama and plaster it all over the web. I would bet most of the people here saying it's something he should deal with would be changing their tune, of course I think a lot of people on Santorum's side would change as well, and that's the problem. We need to hold a level of reasonable treatment whether we like a candidate or not. Treat the opposition the same way we treat our candidate of choice. Hammer them when they say something stupid, hold them to task, fight against their spread of ignorance, but don't descend into childish name calling and what is essentially bullying.
I wonder if they used their own patent archives to train Watson to recognize junk patents?
I've often wondered if it time we really need to start thinking about a shorter work week or more vacation time. For the longest time we always had a labor shortage, of varying degrees, where is we automated one job, there was another area that would sink those people, or a large chunk of them. Today, where are those people going to go? I read an article about a power company switching to smart meters that would automate meter reading and they were planning to lay off some 8000 meter readers. They're obviously not highly skilled workers, but they're also not no skill workers. I think it's one of the problems with this economic recovery and the past couple we're replacing lost jobs with increased efficiency and no organization is going to willingly become less efficient.
This sounds so very IBM. How can I help you help me make money.
I really think there aren't enough jobs. There's less bloody edge research. Less bloody edge production. Technology is replacing old man in the middle work and making scientists more efficient overall. I have two examples from a friend of mine. My friend is a hiring manager for a manufacturing division of Pfizer. They had a scientist quit and needed a replacement, which is rare for Pfizer, normally they just say do more with less, elaborated more later. They posted the job with needs at least a BS, MS preferred. They got almost 250 applicants in the first 36 hours after posting, just under 50 of them were PhDs. A couple of the PhDs were looking to swap companies but the vast majority have been unemployed or teaching the odd class at a college here or there. Another telling sign is the division my friend works for has shrunk every year for the past 11 years. They haven't removed product from production or reduced the amounts of any product produced. They've actually more that doubled the output of a couple drugs. Which directly doubles the amount of quality testing and other work that needs to be done. Some groups have seen better than 80% reduction in staffing. There are only about 40% of the number people with engineer/scientist titles at the site then there were 10 years ago, and remember, this is a site that's only increased the amount of drug being produced, so it's not like these people left because a product got cut.
I think it's more of break even on cost, with different drawbacks. Sure you save on gas and car costs, but that's proportional to your distance from the office. If you combine trips into your commute the savings starts to get reduced. I noticed a pretty big jump in at home costs. AC or heat on more often. I had to bump up my internet service to get more bandwidth because online apps I had to use were just too slow. All printing costs became mine. I could use the printer at work but that requires a road trip and defeats the purpose. Keeping my computers running all day at home also eats some more power, as does keeping lights on in the office. With the amount of equipment I had and the paperwork I had to do I needed a dedicated office space, which is really a hidden cost. The big drawback I found with working from home is that everyone expects you to always be working. Most people will respond just don't answer the phone, or set hours, but in practice it's a lot more difficult. Everything becomes a one off and it's just this time you need to sit on a 10PM call, or pull some files you wouldn't ordinarily have access to. I went from an office to telecommute to my choice, which is really the best of both worlds.
Let's make sure were talking the same thing. In terms of programmer take home pay gl4ss is probably spot on, it's about what I could pay when I owned my own small shop. What I charged the company was 2-3 times more depending on the work, so in the $75 to $105/hr range. Hanging Chad is spot on for what bigger shops charge a company, starting at $185 going up to $400 for the most senior people. Granted none of this is take home to the end programmers, the big shops don't give their people much more then I did, even though they charged significantly more. Overall the 40-50M, as big as it seems, seems about right for a multi-year project outsource to one of the big consulting companies. I think it's way to much but that's what these companies charge. I've seen one company charge almost 100k/per month for some of their "specialists" for fixed scope work. I'm sure the likes of Nokia and other large companies in Finland pay rates like this.
You obviously don't play with Philly rules.
You make the assumption when I say IE I mean IE8, so your assumption is wrong.
For browsing general webpages Firefox seems to work quite well, however a lot of the webpages I browse for work, low volume behind corporate firewall type pages FF dies a horrible death constantly. IE seems to be the only browser that works reliably on some companies private pages probably because they were initially designed with and for the IE hegemony. Because of this I tend to switch between IE and FF fairly frequently and I really have to say while FF does tend to be faster, IE is by far more stable. Also what happen to FF not being a memory resource hog. My FF browser, just viewing slashdot consume near 300MB of memory while IE consume about 30MB, I know memory consumption numbers from task manager need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially when MSFT is involved but it's a big diff. I have pretty much the same plugins on each, nothing special. It almost seems that from some standpoints IE and FF have flopped.
I posted an update before you posted I used less than and grater then signs and inadvertently blocked out a chunk of my post. My numbers are 2010 estimates. less then 100k in the US and more then 415k worldwide. I heard that IBM actually employs more people in India now then in the US. I'm trying to find the article that had the numbers, all the numbers are estimates of course because IBM is no longer publishing any headcount information other then the worldwide number.
While IBM does charge per MIP for their hardware, from what I've seen the real cost is the software, as it seems is the case with almost all hardware/software. I heard CA makes more then 2x off Mainframe software then IBM does off hardware which is why IBM has all that zip/zap stuff for decreasing the application MIP and increasing the hardware cost. I would be curious how software would be priced per real processor MIP or per virtual MIP. I can't really imagine who would want to run a large virtual mainframe anyway, sure there might be some 1 off app some people would like to export, but the vast majority of users, I just can't see it.
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Last I heard US headcount was less then 100k while worldwide headcount was greater then 400k.
>Probably very close to dropping below 50% American employees.
IBM probably started employing less then 50% US employee's in the 90's. IBM is probably employing less then 25% US employee's currently. Last I heard US headcount was 400k.
What if the car companies started using a model similar to most hardware vendors in that they separate the hardware from the software within the product. For example you buy a Honda, it costs 20k for the car and 5k for some new product called an adaptive usage system, which can be the software that assists in the control of the brakes, steering, and engine. If you sell the car, and you have every right to, you are only selling the hardware the software must be re-licensed. You have every right to sell the car, I have every right to buy it, I just don't have a right to use it unless I re-license the software.
As the contractee you are not required to file the payment with IRS if it is less the $600. As a contractor you must report all income regardless of whether the contractee filed the income or not.
I do a lot of storage work and whenever the talk comes to spindle counts I've always wondered this as well. Since the only thing no scaling in hard drives these days are the rotational and read speeds adding another head could double the single drive throughput and IOPS. I've looked into it and found 100's of patents on the idea, and one drive from 1986 that had multiple heads, it had 8 if I remember correctly, looked to be the size of a record player, held 200 MB, and cost 250k.
I think this solution is quite interesting and probably fits their needs but comparing it to the storage solutions of the vendors listed is quite ridiculous. Another thing to note, there are vendors, NEXSAN, that sell cheaper storage systems, that while still more expensive then this, would have probably meet their needs. The first issue is high availability. There are many single points of failure on this box. There is only a single controller. The power supplies are not redundant. With the number of drives a single fan failure might lead to and high enough heat to damage components. Single port back plane. No NVRAM. The only thing that isn't a single point of failure are the drives themselves because they are in a RAID6 config but I still see a problem with that, their configuration uses no hot spares. A high end storage system is going to have multiple controllers, redundant power supplies, be able to sustain multiple fan failures, multiple back planes with interposer cards. It's also going to have NVRAM that should a power failure occur acknowledge cached data would not be lost. The second issue is maintenance. A high end storage system systems parts are high accessible and often hot swappable. A controller goes out, it's like changing a Nintendo cartridge. With this box if anything goes except a drive, the box is coming down. If you are a replacing a drive you'll have to slide the box out, hopefully you left enough clearance for the power cords when you slide it out, then you have to pop in a new drive, and hopefully not break the SATA connector on the back plane. Oh man, I forgot to put on a new rubber band, I mean vibration dampner. What's the performance of this box like? With software RAID and only a single processor with no ASIC acceleration for anything I would have to imagine the processor is going to get pretty bogged down. With a high end box everything is pretty much designed, within reason, to make the drives the ultimate performance bottleneck. Can this systems fully utilize all the drives or can the drives deliver more IOPS and throughput then the controller can handle? Extra features. What does this box offer in terms of volume copying, flash copying, and remote mirroring? The value of an enterprise solution is that it provides the features that keep it working 99.999% of the time, not just 99%. I see so many possible areas where data could possibly be lost or corrupted. A couple of comments have suggested this just being a block in a bigger solution, treating it just like a drive. In that case you are going to have to a additional layer of redundancy, probably a mirror. With a straight mirror you are going to see a doubling in cost of hardware, infrastructure, power and cooling, which is going to start disrupting cost/benefit of this solution. If you just want a bunch of file space accessible through HTTP with the ability to tolerate the occasional loss of data and downtime, this solution will work fine. If data loss or downtime means the loss of data or jobs, you'll go with one of the major storage vendors.
Your assessment says that US companies spend 15% more then Euro companies but doesn't address what I think the original poster was trying to get at and that is that the profits made on drugs sold to US consumers pays for drug research. In other words AmeriDrug and EuroDrug both have a blockbuster drug. Both drugs are sold in the US for $20/pill and in Europe for $2/pill. If the real cost of production and distribution is the same, say $1, both companies are only making $1/pill from European consumers and $19/pill from Americans. Both companies are also hard at work developing their next drug using the profits from their last most of which came from Americans. How true is all of this, I don't know I'm just speaking from the hypothetical, but from what I hear about Canadian drug prices I'm pretty sure there is a certain degree of validity to the statement, how much, who knows, but there is probably some sort of paper on it somewhere out there.
I have the Time Warner DVR and boy am I glad I rent and not own. I've been using the DVR for about 3 years maybe 4 and I can'tcount the number of times I've run to the Time Warner kiosk at the mall and exchanged a dead for a new one. Whenever I go to swap one out there are always several stacks of boxes 3 ft high or so of returns. On the bright side I guess I always have the best Scientific Atlanta box time warner has to offer.
My buddy had his truck stolen with EZ-Pass ( automatic toll payment system for those non-eastcoasters). He filled out the police reports and all the other crap. About a month later he realized the guys who stole his truck were still using his EZ-Pass driving around Jersey and they were going though the same toll boothes about the same time everyday. So he staked out the toll booth and at their usual time he saw them zip through the EZ-pass lane in his truck. So he went through himself and called the state troopers to report he found his stolen truck and it was on the turnpike. The cops were more concerned about whether he was using a hands free headset or not then getting the people who stole his truck. So he eventually followed the people to their house and called the cops again saying he was driving around and spotted his stolen truck, the cops said they would look into it. The next day he found they had done nothing so he drove up with another guy and stole the truck back with his spare key, which is when he learned it's a pain in the ass to get a car declared unstolen.