I see. So if he was 18 and on his own, it would have all been ok? You're drawing a straw man fallacy. The OP said that a child of 14 years should not be playing an M rated game, and the parents should be held accountable. The key part of his argument is that the kid is 14 playing a game not suitable for his age group.
IMO and the opinion of the OP, the game maker took reasonable steps to inform the parent of what kind of game it was and who it was suitable for. The parents were negligent, not the game maker. The platiff is going after the money instead of the negligent parents. At face value, the OP seems to make a pretty cogent argument.
I think it's about damn time the parents start to take responsibility for their actions
What about parents who try their damndest to set their kid on the right path and no matter what the parent does the kid continues down the same path.
Unfortunately an adolescent has free will, and parents should not be held accountable for those kids actions unless it can be proven the parents were grossly negligent in parenting the child.
Yes, allowing a 14yo to play GTA obsessively IMO qualifies as negligent.
lawyers always figure it's worth a shot when you're dealing with 10 figure industries
Note I disclaim all liability for the use of information below, and cannot be used without the expressed written consent of the auther ^_^
Where is the Bar association? They're supposed to keep lawyers in check. Cases like this are almost barretry. Lawyer picks a stupidly high number, files suit, hopes the defendant will settle before a judgement because judges these days seem to lack any real ability to reason (see McDonalds hot coffee case for a great example).
Then the lawyer representing this case should be disbarred for bringing a frivilous case to court without first doing his homework.
It's another example of why lawyers should not be allowed to police lawyers. The Bar association is too lax about stupid cases such as this one. It's a cash grab.
FF and IE both allow that redirect to happen. The difference is that Opera is not acting smart. First of all, both sites have a valid SSL cert from a CA. Second of all, you are redirecting within the same domain -> webbroker.tdwaterhouse.ca redirects to webbroker43.tdwaterhouse.ca... both are tdwaterhouse.ca parent domains. This should be allowed. They cited some trash about.co.uk being a problem, but a smart browser would keep a list of valid TLD's in order to analyze if it's a redirect from one subdomain to another. Especially one with a valid cert.
Like I said, it's mostly because FF and IE work with their site that they have no reason at all to change their site. I can't honestly ask them to change the code of their site to support 2% of the market in Opera, especially when FF and IE work with their site.
If we had to run off highway lines like electric busses (or cars in the Super Mario Bros. movie, blech) We'd all be paying the same (likely extravegant) rate.
Hmmm... Here in Vancouver, I see busses all the time get disconnected from over head power lines. The driver has to get out, line up his connection again to the power line, before he can drive away. Traffic in the meantime gets backed up because everyone is waiting for this bus, stuck in the middle of a left turn.
While your idea is good on paper, imagine how utterly crazy it would be if we all had to do that? The sheer logistics of a city with that spec is utterly insane.
Opera is a decent browser, unfortunately it has been known to break on some pretty common javascript.
Yup - I had the very same discussionwith Opera devs about my bank's web site. I bank with one of the largest banks in Canada, and Opera devs claim the problem is with the authors of the banking site, not with Opera itself.
While I am a fan of Opera, why would any bank give a flying fart if their site doesn't work with Opera? I tried to convince the Opera devs it was a problem with their browser, and they cited it was a security problem. Like I said in my thread, all they had to do is keep a list of valid tld's in their browser and allow cross site redirects within the same TLD. It's child's play to write that really. If there's a new TLD, update the list for the next browser version. Piece of cake.
After that thread, I've lost all respect for Opera, and it deserve the fate it is dealt by the market. It saddens me because I am a fan of that browser.
I can't help feeling that the studios should call the Wal-Mart bluff here.
I'm with you on that. it's the beauty of capitalism. Wal-mart stops selling dvd's, and starts losing out to Target and K-Mart because honestly, many people don't want DRM infested video files.
Personally, I buy previously viewed from Blockbuster anyway - I can usually score them for $9.99 if I wait long enough. A rental here at Blockbuster costs $6... Four dollars more and I own the dvd if I like...
God forbid an executive be responsible for actions they approved.
I think though if you say "Just don't tell me HOW you plan to sting the reporter, I don't want to know", there's an implicit order to do whatever you deem necessary, legal or otherwise, just don't tell me about it. You should be held accountable for that as well.
In a few month's we'll all forget anyway, and Patricia Dunn will become Chairman again.
But a paper ballot (notice I'm saying ballot not reciept)
The difference? If you go into a booth, make your selections, and physically see them on a printout that you stuff into a ballot box, isn't a receipt synonymous with a ballot?
Seriously I don't see the difference...
I do think it's foolish right now to not let people get a proper ballot to submit as well... It's anti-democratic, and you guys should make a SCOTUS case out of it...
California has made many attempts to get automobile manufacturers to cut emissions, and have been repeatedly sued by those auto manufacturers to keep those laws from getting enforced. California is now simply returning the favor.
IIRC Cali. had a policy that 10% of vehicles sold in cali. between 2003 and 2008 had to be zero emissions. The legislation was impractical.
The better way to have done it was to set a target, average MPG that the auto manufacturers could sell in California. Say the average MPG of all vehicles sold in a given year is like 15MPG. If they started creeping that average up year after year, they could slowly force the hand of the auto industry instead of mandating a crazy rule like the zero emissions one. That would cause some interesting results.
1) In shortening the supply of gas guzzlers, you raise the prices of them. 2) By raising the price of the gas guzzlers, you increase the profit margins and could use those to subsidize the price of more fuel efficient vehicles. For example, say you raise the price of a Nissan Armada by 10k... That 10k can be spread across 5 Nissan Sentras to reduce their price.
It's just a thought, but really, if you have 33M people, and you increase their fuel efficiency, don't you in a sense reduce greenhouse gasses?
Why not simply use paper ballots as a backup system so recounts can occur?
Why not have a user go into a booth, make their election choices, and have a printout they submit? That way you have the best of both worlds - automated counting and a paper backup.
it's due to lack of necessity. It would be a luxury, one I can't afford just yet.
You can't put a price on mobility... I run Linux on my laptop, and can go work in the shitter at home if I want to ( or look up pr0n ). Now that's progress!
They should take it as a clue that if viewers are willing to spend several hundred dollars to avoid ads using specialized hardware, there is something seriously wrong with your marketing plan.
No, what they'll do instead is use your viewing space to overlay ads instead of placing commercial breaks in the show.
Personally, if I had to choose, I'd gladly take commercial breaks before I'd take overlayed commercials, which is where we'll head if everyone were to skip commercials.
Anyone who thinks the US two-party "democracy" is superior to multiparty systems in Canada, Europe, or Australia is clearly in need of education.
There's two problems in the US. One, not enough people care about democracy - they only care to fight wars over it, but don't actually exercise their vote. And of those who do get off their asses to vote, they seem to believe that any vote for a third party is a throw away vote. And because they perceive that they vote for one of the two major parties.
Don't think Canada is too far from that. Unless you are a Quebecer, until recently, it was either Liberal or Conservative. Then it became Liberal or Reform. The NDP vote was always a throw away vote to a party that didn't matter -> until recently. Now the NDP are signifigant and have a great deal of power in parliament and that's a positive thing.
I agree with you - the present state of parliament is great. It takes two parties to bring down the government, not just one, and it takes two parties to pass legislation, not just one. This is the way it should be. I really hope they can keep this to term - it works so very well. A tory majority scares the crap out of me, as it frightens many Canadians. Harper's doing a decent enough job - I like his Senate reform stuff... He's doing much better than Mr. Dithers-Martin:)
f macromedia wanted flash to be a serious tool, they should have developed a better platform for their actionscript to be developed in,
AND they wouldn't alienate operating systems like Linux. I don't take flash seriously if they are two versions behind with a linux viewer. It was a good cross platform tool, now it's a pile of crap IMO that only supports Windows and Mac./me still annoyed with that.
You cannot criticize the Israeli government without being labelled anti-semite which is probably the worst disservice to to the larger
It's an easy sword to draw - just as easy as the sword of racism. And labelling someone a Terrorist too seems to be drawn too quickly. We like to label others without first considering what we're really calling them.
What was Nelson Mandella? A terrorist no? He helped plan armed, underground resistance activities - the very definition of a terrorist in the eyes of a ruling group.
What makes him any different? Give me a fucking break with the goddamn terrorist bullshit already. What, are we in the McArthur era again?
Learn to think with an open mind, don't just sit there and call Hezbollah a terrorist org without first reading up on them.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Consider that with an open mind for a second and think. Don't just accept whatever CNN tells you.
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I see. So if he was 18 and on his own, it would have all been ok?
You're drawing a straw man fallacy. The OP said that a child of 14 years should not be playing an M rated game, and the parents should be held accountable. The key part of his argument is that the kid is 14 playing a game not suitable for his age group.
IMO and the opinion of the OP, the game maker took reasonable steps to inform the parent of what kind of game it was and who it was suitable for. The parents were negligent, not the game maker. The platiff is going after the money instead of the negligent parents. At face value, the OP seems to make a pretty cogent argument.
I think it's about damn time the parents start to take responsibility for their actions
What about parents who try their damndest to set their kid on the right path and no matter what the parent does the kid continues down the same path.
Unfortunately an adolescent has free will, and parents should not be held accountable for those kids actions unless it can be proven the parents were grossly negligent in parenting the child.
Yes, allowing a 14yo to play GTA obsessively IMO qualifies as negligent.
lawyers always figure it's worth a shot when you're dealing with 10 figure industries
Note I disclaim all liability for the use of information below, and cannot be used without the expressed written consent of the auther ^_^
Where is the Bar association? They're supposed to keep lawyers in check. Cases like this are almost barretry. Lawyer picks a stupidly high number, files suit, hopes the defendant will settle before a judgement because judges these days seem to lack any real ability to reason (see McDonalds hot coffee case for a great example).
This is barretry and it's frivilous.
This suit has absolutely no chance of success
Then the lawyer representing this case should be disbarred for bringing a frivilous case to court without first doing his homework.
It's another example of why lawyers should not be allowed to police lawyers. The Bar association is too lax about stupid cases such as this one. It's a cash grab.
The Lables
:)
Is that French for Labels?
What you wrote looked like a woman's body part
FF and IE both allow that redirect to happen. The difference is that Opera is not acting smart. First of all, both sites have a valid SSL cert from a CA. Second of all, you are redirecting within the same domain -> webbroker.tdwaterhouse.ca redirects to webbroker43.tdwaterhouse.ca ... both are tdwaterhouse.ca parent domains. This should be allowed. They cited some trash about .co.uk being a problem, but a smart browser would keep a list of valid TLD's in order to analyze if it's a redirect from one subdomain to another. Especially one with a valid cert.
Like I said, it's mostly because FF and IE work with their site that they have no reason at all to change their site. I can't honestly ask them to change the code of their site to support 2% of the market in Opera, especially when FF and IE work with their site.
If we had to run off highway lines like electric busses (or cars in the Super Mario Bros. movie, blech) We'd all be paying the same (likely extravegant) rate.
Hmmm... Here in Vancouver, I see busses all the time get disconnected from over head power lines. The driver has to get out, line up his connection again to the power line, before he can drive away. Traffic in the meantime gets backed up because everyone is waiting for this bus, stuck in the middle of a left turn.
While your idea is good on paper, imagine how utterly crazy it would be if we all had to do that? The sheer logistics of a city with that spec is utterly insane.
Opera is a decent browser, unfortunately it has been known to break on some pretty common javascript.
Yup - I had the very same discussionwith Opera devs about my bank's web site. I bank with one of the largest banks in Canada, and Opera devs claim the problem is with the authors of the banking site, not with Opera itself.
While I am a fan of Opera, why would any bank give a flying fart if their site doesn't work with Opera? I tried to convince the Opera devs it was a problem with their browser, and they cited it was a security problem. Like I said in my thread, all they had to do is keep a list of valid tld's in their browser and allow cross site redirects within the same TLD. It's child's play to write that really. If there's a new TLD, update the list for the next browser version. Piece of cake.
After that thread, I've lost all respect for Opera, and it deserve the fate it is dealt by the market. It saddens me because I am a fan of that browser.
I can't help feeling that the studios should call the Wal-Mart bluff here.
I'm with you on that. it's the beauty of capitalism. Wal-mart stops selling dvd's, and starts losing out to Target and K-Mart because honestly, many people don't want DRM infested video files.
Personally, I buy previously viewed from Blockbuster anyway - I can usually score them for $9.99 if I wait long enough. A rental here at Blockbuster costs $6... Four dollars more and I own the dvd if I like...
God forbid an executive be responsible for actions they approved.
I think though if you say "Just don't tell me HOW you plan to sting the reporter, I don't want to know", there's an implicit order to do whatever you deem necessary, legal or otherwise, just don't tell me about it. You should be held accountable for that as well.
In a few month's we'll all forget anyway, and Patricia Dunn will become Chairman again.
But a paper ballot (notice I'm saying ballot not reciept)
The difference? If you go into a booth, make your selections, and physically see them on a printout that you stuff into a ballot box, isn't a receipt synonymous with a ballot?
Seriously I don't see the difference...
I do think it's foolish right now to not let people get a proper ballot to submit as well... It's anti-democratic, and you guys should make a SCOTUS case out of it...
California has made many attempts to get automobile manufacturers to cut emissions, and have been repeatedly sued by those auto manufacturers to keep those laws from getting enforced. California is now simply returning the favor.
IIRC Cali. had a policy that 10% of vehicles sold in cali. between 2003 and 2008 had to be zero emissions. The legislation was impractical.
The better way to have done it was to set a target, average MPG that the auto manufacturers could sell in California. Say the average MPG of all vehicles sold in a given year is like 15MPG. If they started creeping that average up year after year, they could slowly force the hand of the auto industry instead of mandating a crazy rule like the zero emissions one. That would cause some interesting results.
1) In shortening the supply of gas guzzlers, you raise the prices of them.
2) By raising the price of the gas guzzlers, you increase the profit margins and could use those to subsidize the price of more fuel efficient vehicles. For example, say you raise the price of a Nissan Armada by 10k... That 10k can be spread across 5 Nissan Sentras to reduce their price.
It's just a thought, but really, if you have 33M people, and you increase their fuel efficiency, don't you in a sense reduce greenhouse gasses?
Why not simply use paper ballots as a backup system so recounts can occur?
Why not have a user go into a booth, make their election choices, and have a printout they submit? That way you have the best of both worlds - automated counting and a paper backup.
You cannot get that kind of coolness from a CD and a jewel box.
Although some of the artwork that has gone into Pearl Jam's CDs has been pretty cool, that Alice Cooper record was awesome...
Hm, if people think Gentoo is hard, I wonder what they think of a distro like LFS?
We're calling LFS a distro now? That's like saying the instructions to make a cake are an actual cake now... Well kinda sort of in a way anyway...
it's due to lack of necessity. It would be a luxury, one I can't afford just yet.
You can't put a price on mobility... I run Linux on my laptop, and can go work in the shitter at home if I want to ( or look up pr0n ). Now that's progress!
They should take it as a clue that if viewers are willing to spend several hundred dollars to avoid ads using specialized hardware, there is something seriously wrong with your marketing plan.
No, what they'll do instead is use your viewing space to overlay ads instead of placing commercial breaks in the show.
Personally, if I had to choose, I'd gladly take commercial breaks before I'd take overlayed commercials, which is where we'll head if everyone were to skip commercials.
Anyone who thinks the US two-party "democracy" is superior to multiparty systems in Canada, Europe, or Australia is clearly in need of education.
:)
There's two problems in the US. One, not enough people care about democracy - they only care to fight wars over it, but don't actually exercise their vote. And of those who do get off their asses to vote, they seem to believe that any vote for a third party is a throw away vote. And because they perceive that they vote for one of the two major parties.
Don't think Canada is too far from that. Unless you are a Quebecer, until recently, it was either Liberal or Conservative. Then it became Liberal or Reform. The NDP vote was always a throw away vote to a party that didn't matter -> until recently. Now the NDP are signifigant and have a great deal of power in parliament and that's a positive thing.
I agree with you - the present state of parliament is great. It takes two parties to bring down the government, not just one, and it takes two parties to pass legislation, not just one. This is the way it should be. I really hope they can keep this to term - it works so very well. A tory majority scares the crap out of me, as it frightens many Canadians. Harper's doing a decent enough job - I like his Senate reform stuff... He's doing much better than Mr. Dithers-Martin
I just like to go to http://www.regular-expressions.info/ myself - I seem to find all the stuff I forget from time to time there...
and that you "pay" to see the show by sitting through those advertisements.
Hmm, I can't recall the last time I sat through an entire set of commercials without changing the channel to watch music videos or something else...
Nay, I rarely, if ever watch a commercial, so what's the difference then?
Flash is supported in all browsers, given the right plugin,
Hmm... I'm looking for flash support in Firefox on my Linux box and can't seem to get anything beyond 7.
Some cross platform support huh? Adobe has really screwed with flash IMO by doing that...
f macromedia wanted flash to be a serious tool, they should have developed a better platform for their actionscript to be developed in,
/me still annoyed with that.
AND they wouldn't alienate operating systems like Linux. I don't take flash seriously if they are two versions behind with a linux viewer. It was a good cross platform tool, now it's a pile of crap IMO that only supports Windows and Mac.
Look what happened the last time we put a corporate officer in jail, he had a heart attack.
Martha Stewart had a heart attack?
You cannot criticize the Israeli government without being labelled anti-semite which is probably the worst disservice to to the larger
It's an easy sword to draw - just as easy as the sword of racism. And labelling someone a Terrorist too seems to be drawn too quickly. We like to label others without first considering what we're really calling them.
Hezbollah is a terrorist org.
What was Nelson Mandella? A terrorist no? He helped plan armed, underground resistance activities - the very definition of a terrorist in the eyes of a ruling group.
What makes him any different? Give me a fucking break with the goddamn terrorist bullshit already. What, are we in the McArthur era again?
Learn to think with an open mind, don't just sit there and call Hezbollah a terrorist org without first reading up on them.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Consider that with an open mind for a second and think. Don't just accept whatever CNN tells you.