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QTFairUse6 Updated Hours After iTunes7 Release

Nrbelex writes "Mere hours after iTunes 7's release, QTFairUse6 has received an update which enables it to continue stripping iTunes songs of their 'FairPlay' DRM. Some features are experimental but at least it's proof that the concept still works."

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  1. I'm almost ready to buy by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    When third-party vendors start adding essential features like this, and on a timely basis, I start thinking about subscribing/installing/whatever you have to do to iTunes

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    1. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a shame when 3rd party software is required to fix a defective product (DRM is a defect).

    2. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is this?!

    3. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's called slashdot. It's a self-regulated forum of intellectuals who espouse fairness, rational discourse, wit and good fellowship above all else.

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    4. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1
      It's a self-regulated forum of intellectuals who espouse fairness, rational discourse, wit and good fellowship above all else.
      You have a fine career as a politician ahead of you!
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    5. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      No it's not. You came here for an argument!

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    6. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, arguments is down the hall. This is abuse.

    7. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Waugh!

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    8. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by blincoln · · Score: 1

      It's called slashdot. It's a self-regulated forum of intellectuals who espouse fairness, rational discourse, wit and good fellowship above all else.

      Sigged! (in abbreviated form, darn you 120 character limit).

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    9. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      No, no, it's 'Wahhh' like this *holds hands to head*

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    10. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      iTunes is just a media player that grew out of a jukebox application for the old Mac OS (I think it was introduced around 8.0). The only songs to which it applies DRM are those bought from the iTunes Store. For the MP3 files already on your hard drive, it'll just load them into its database and play them just like any other media player.

      The iTunes Store is a fee-per-download service--if you want to buy something on iTunes, you drop down your money and you download the song.

      Essentially, iTunes != iTunes Store. Furthermore, if you can find a copy of Sharpmusique, you can buy songs from iTunes without getting the DRM on them, as the DRM is applied by the local machine.

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    11. Re:I'm almost ready to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cory?

      Is that you?

  2. How it works (why it's easy) by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the linked site:

    the program attaches itself to the running itunes process and intercepts the decrypted stream as the song plays. It needs to know where in memory to grab the stream from and this is different depending on which itunes you have. It cannot just decrypt a file on its own.


    So an update to the iTunes software just means an update to the memory address offset to read the data from. Piece of cake.
    1. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by bsharitt · · Score: 1

      Removing DRM from Music is nice, but I wonder if they could adapt this to work with video as well. That would be nice.

    2. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by Xest · · Score: 1

      To some extent I hope they would fix this hole as the same technique is used to produce cheats for games such as radar for certain MMOGs. On the other hand however I hope this hole isn't closed because of this very reason - DRM circumvention.

      I'm not terribly sure whether Vista does or can properly fix this, whether hardware changes go anyway towards fixing it or not so I'd be interested to know more about this. I think overall I'd rather it was left open as freedom to use media and my (Not Microsoft's) computer as I see fit is more important than dealing with in game cheats etc. It's quite a dilemma though as to whether we let companies fix it or not.

    3. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by ifrag · · Score: 1

      Your reference to MMO's sounds a bit odd and unrelated. The only reason you would be able to circumvent that is if the client had all the information on hand, but wasn't allowed to touch some of it due to some restriction imposed when reading the data. Maybe in order to reduce network load and the like, the server might send what could be considered "too much" information and rely on client end to decide what it wants to see, but I don't think I would design it like that if it was my code.

      In the land of the DRM, the client *needs* to have all the information in hand. The media, the cypher, and the key. When you have all that on hand, there really isn't any way to be secure anymore. It's really only a matter of time to work out the details.

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    4. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by Sancho · · Score: 1

      There's no reason I can think of that compression can't be tied to DRM such that the only way you can decode it is to simultaneously decompress it. In this case, you get the unencoded, unencrypted stream meaning some form of (probably lossy) recompression is necessary.

      Of course, with the whole 'protected data path' thing, they're working on making it pretty hard to get a digital 'rip'. With watermarks and laws requiring all recording devices to respect them, they can close the analog hole, too.

    5. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have the solution to the analog hole as well. Next generation people will be required to have a Trusted Listener (TM) chip in their ears which allows reception of encrypted, copywrite sounds. It's a small price to pay to stop piracy.

    6. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by Xest · · Score: 1

      That's basically it, and not just MMOs, many games send data about players that aren't yet in view so that when they do come into view there is a smooth transition on even laggy connections instead of the case where you'd have players just randomly appear.

      A lot of FPS send data for characters that aren't quite in view, one metric is for example, say one wall away from you so that they don't suddenly appear in an opening in that wall i.e. a doorway but there is a smooth transition into the doorway from behind the wall.

      One MMO I was thinking of specifically was Dark Age of Camelot, where players compete in a wide open area, players also move at great speed and so to ensure that players enter visible range smoothly the data regarding the players is sent for players upto 2x visible range, there were radar programs that would display these players on your radar and hence give those players an advantage in flanking their opponents or making sure they avoid fights against players they know they couldn't win which was frustrating for the better players in that they miss out on a lot of fights for example. Even if it didn't send data for people outside visible range, it'd still let you see people in visible range yet behind a tree, or a wall that you might otherwise miss for example and it's unrealistic to expect an MMOG server to be able to cater for not sending data for each and every case where people may not be visible to other people due to small obstacles.

      Other cheats would include DLL injection where you'd modify a processes import address table at run time to make the game point to a proxy DLL, if you were to make it do this for say, opengl.dll for example you could take the function call from the game, change it as you please in your proxy DLL and then pass it onto the authentic DLL so that enemies were drawn in bright colours, or so that walls were rendered transparently by intercepting some function calls.

      To cut a long story short, it's inevitable that the client receive some data that it doesn't necessarily need at that point in time for the purpose of optimization. Still, again as frustrating as radar was and as game ruining as it was I still think I'd rather keep the right to keep my PC mine as much as I'd like to see these threats to fair gaming fixed! WoW's Warden program is an option but that too has it's flaws in that many people see it as an invasion of privacy, it's a tough nut to crack without going the route of locking down the hardware/OS and at the same time as mentioned already - locking down people's legitimately purchased media.

    7. Re:How it works (why it's easy) by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      The robustness of this hack (update is easy as it is merely a response to a changed memory address), combined with the originality of it (catch the decrypted AAC packets as they are sent from the "decrypt" function to the "play" function (note: I make this explanation loosely) make this the most amazing hack I've seen since the ipodlinux guys (Nils Schneider, leachbj, and DavidC_) did a dump of the flash ROM by reading the memory off to a piezo transducer, recording the subsequent noise generated by the transducer, converting it back into useful information, and using that to figure out how to make Linux work on it.

      1337, guys. Simply 1337.

  3. How much has changed? by epee1221 · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know how much the iTunes DRM scheme changed with the new release?

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    1. Re:How much has changed? by eggoeater · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      It can't be much or it would break backward-compatibility with about a zillion iPods that are out there.
      I doubt Apple is going to force iPod owners to upgrade their firmware just for DRM.
      MS, yes, they would do that kind of thing. But not Apple.

    2. Re:How much has changed? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Please. I'm sure Apple would do that; the iPods firmware may even be updatable as soon as they connect it to their computer.

    3. Re:How much has changed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Apple's new firmware update is to allow the new search feature, larger (640x480) video size, and games support, nowhere does it say new DRM.

      Besides, DRM was madated by the recording and TV/movie studios. Apple had a DRM-less iPod until their store went live.

    4. Re:How much has changed? by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Dunno, but if I were a programmer at Apple, I'd have just combined the decryption and decoding functions. They're only separated because iTunes needs to be able to decode AAC by itself as well. If they wanted to, they could just have the m4p player completely separate from the m4a player, replicating the necessary code. Of course, that would lead to a world of headaches in code maintenance.

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    5. Re:How much has changed? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      For whatever it's worth, it hasn't happened yet. All of the firmware updates for iPods have been optional.

      Potential issue? Yes. Actual issue? Not so much.

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  4. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully this keeps up. I used this to remove the DRM from the few songs I had to buy from iTunes (exclusive tracks).

  5. At what point... by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

    will the iTunes people and the Media Monopolies in general learn that they will NEVER win the DRM war and all they are doing is costing themselves money and customers?

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    1. Re:At what point... by goMac2500 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think "the iTunes people" really care. But they don't have a choice if they want to sell music. It's all about what the record labels want, not Apple.

    2. Re:At what point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The record labels would demand better DRM or pull Apple's authorization to sell their music.

    3. Re:At what point... by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      I'd mostly agree with that but not entirely. They also like thier private DRM to try to lock others out. Now yes, the iPod can play non-DRMed media but in order to legally purchase most media off the net (movies, music, etc) the content owners will only allow it if its protected with DRM so your certainly correct there. However, if Apple didn't really care they'd license thier DRM to other online stores. Apple cares a LOT about that! ;-) If they did that they'd have tons of competitors to iTMS. As it is all competitors must use other DRM because Apple won't license theirs. This is mostly the MS DRM (since they are willing to license it). From there customers must find someway to strip the MS DRM and convert to mp3, etc (since iPods funny enough don't support other DRM) before they can play it on thier iPod. So just buying from iTMS in the 1st place is just WAY easier.

      We'll see if this comes back to bite them later but they certainly have an interest in thier DRM. Basically thier DRM puts them in a position where even though the iPod can play non-DRMed media, you basically have to buy all your online media from them (unless you want to jump through a bunch of hoops).

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    4. Re:At what point... by babbling · · Score: 1

      Probably after they start using encryption well enough that programs like QTFairUse6 become impossible to create. This will happen. Once hardware supports encryption, DRM will become many times more difficult to crack.

      When programs like QTFairUse6 are around, people just "work around" the DRM. I tend to still avoid it because I don't want to purchase music and make these companies think that "consumers are okay with DRM".

    5. Re:At what point... by nbuet · · Score: 1

      You know what DRM is for? It's only because majors want you to buy the same songs again and again. The make most of their revenues with old songs, and their worst nightmare is that you buy it "once and for all". This is why they want DRM. If someone comes with an idea where good old mp3s are just good for trashcan, I bet they'll forget this DRM thing very fast to make as much profit as possible in no time.

    6. Re:At what point... by beoba · · Score: 1

      I don't believe they intend to win the DRM war by developing some sort of unbreakable lock on their content, they just want to make it enough of a hassle to rip things that most people believe they're supposed to go out and buy another version of the same content each time they get a new device.

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    7. Re:At what point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then how come same record labels let selling non-DRM'ed music through different online music shops around Globe? Even more how come some of those labels let sites to give out free copies? As long as you pay enough money to labes to subside their profit, they won't care DRM or any kind of copy protection.

    8. Re:At what point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Probably after they start using encryption well enough that programs like QTFairUse6 become impossible to create.

      It's a truism I find myself having to repeat: you cannot encrypt something to keep it from its intended recipient. You can't embed it in hardware (CSS tried that, look how trivial that is), you can't do it with online activation. At some point, you the intended recipient of the "plaintext" are going to receive that content, and barring complete end-to-end encryption through the hardware with no leakage whatsoever, some process will always be able to get at those bits.

      They're trying to lock down the hardware, but that's also a pretty doomed effort, since it just doesn't work out economically for the hardware manufacturers.

    9. Re:At what point... by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      I doubt this is costing them customers, people who have ipods and who use iTunes (on the whole) don't care or don't know about DRM, probably because "It'll never affect me" or some other such notion.... Then it does. And they'll buy their music again, maybe complain, but probably not enough to do anything about it.

      If you really cared about DRM to the point that it would make you not use the service you'd probably be using a different service which doesn't have it.

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    10. Re:At what point... by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      Not flaming you, but can you give us some examples?

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    11. Re:At what point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fundamentally, at some point, the only way a speaker can make noise is by using completely unencrypted, DRM free, PCM data on a wire to propell a magnet. That is how a speaker works. Period. What you do, is you take the magnets out of your speaker, hook measuring equipment up to the wire, and record the PCM data. ALL DRM IS BREAKABLE! Now, this is impractical for the average consumer, but theoretically, once somebody builds this sort of set up, you can just have one rig cracking all of the music, then illegally distributing cracked copies for free.

      It is impossible to completely lock down everything.

    12. Re:At what point... by Pope · · Score: 0
      will the iTunes people and the Media Monopolies in general learn that they will NEVER win the DRM war and all they are doing is costing themselves money and customers?

      LOL! The 1.5 BILLION songs that the iTunes store has sold says otherwise. It's a VERY tiny group of people who shy away from DRM-encrusted merchandise, don't exaggerate your case when real life clearly doesn't back it up.
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    13. Re:At what point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word: Uniformity.

      You can argue the same about prices and whatever, but you don't have to look up details about every songs you own to know that each cost 99 cents with the same license terms on burning and sharing. Consumers don't like to be bothered with something like that. They like simplicity. This uniformity (and less harsh DRM) is what makes iTunes popular while the previous attempts failed spectacularly.

    14. Re:At what point... by Fordiman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fun thing about that is that only one person really needs to go through the hassle. After that, the rest of humanity has it easy.

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    15. Re:At what point... by edflyerssn007 · · Score: 1

      This is where they figure out how to insert digital dignals into our minds that make us think we're hearing the music or watching the video, but instead we aren't.

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    16. Re:At what point... by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1
      I don't think "the iTunes people" really care. But they don't have a choice if they want to sell music. It's all about what the record labels want, not Apple.


      Then why won't Apple license FairPlay?
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    17. Re:At what point... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      If they license FairPlay to other MP3 players, then the iTMS ceases to be an advantage for the iPod. The only reason they're running the iTMS is to sell iPods, Macs, and now iTVs.

      On the other hand, I'm not sure what the motivation would be to license Fairplay to other media sources. Apple gains a lot of credit for ease-of-use and reliability by managing the user experience end-to-end. If Real, for example, was selling a lot of media to iPod owners, then Apple has to deal with support issues related to Real's music store. Surely it's just not worth the complication.

    18. Re:At what point... by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      I agree with you completely, I was asking the question to make a point. The previous poster made it sound like Apple didn't even care for DRM but it does provide an advantage to them as well.

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    19. Re:At what point... by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

      They do gain a benefit in that it makes it hard to use iTunes-purchased music on non-iPod MP3 players, true. However, it's also pretty well known (though I don't have a source, it's pretty well accepted as fact) that Jobs has fought with the record companies over the DRM. Jobs wanted cheap music, DRM free, at a flat fee, that could be transfered back-and-forth between the iPod and your computer. The labels wanted music with expensive variable pricing and extremely restrictive DRM. The current system, with mostly flat pricing (more expensive than what Apple wanted but cheaper than the label's intended), somewhat loose DRM, and one-way syncing from iTunes->iPod was the compromise.

      Really, when you think of it in a certain way, why would Apple care terribly about the DRM? They don't make much off of these sales, and a lot of their cost probably comes from bandwidth, which isn't used except when someone actually buys something. On their end, it's largely promotional.

    20. Re:At what point... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1
      Not flaming you, but can you give us some examples?
      He's only partially right. I read an article (can't cite where/when) saying that part of Apple's deal with some of the big record lables was that that they could only sell their music if they have some sort of DRM implemented. After all, the record labels want to contain the wildfire as much as they can (even if they're only armed with a tea cup), so preventing iTunes purchases from becoming "buy once, copy many times" helps them (as well as Apple).

      The record labels also keep trying to mess with their price agreement but that's another story alltogether.

      However, Apple also relies on their DRM to maintain a stronghold within the music biz by locking out other MP3 players from playing their music. I can't totally blame them for this, but it's the reason that if the record lables backed down they'd keep using it. By keeping this interdependent relationship between iTunes and portable players they win out.

      One could argue that by licensing FairPlay and allowing other manufacturers to use it would increase their consumer base, but there are ways that releasing it could hurt them in the long run. Or at least, that's how they could see it. But since the record labels are a bunch of greedy tards, I doubt they'll ever back down so we'll never know what Apple would do with their DRM if they did.
    21. Re:At what point... by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1

      I think you are on the wrong track. 1.5 Billion sounds like a lot. And it is a nice number of song downloads for Apple. However, compare that 1.5 billion _total_ downloads to the number of song downloads that happen on p2p every month. Just Google for it an you should find tons of numbers. I found one claim on The Register that say for every one DRM-encrusted download there are 16 DRM-Free downloads on p2p! Also, what about the DRM-Free legal downloads? I would like to know those numbers.

      I think you are _way_ off when you said "It's a VERY tiny group of people who shy away from DRM-encrusted merchandise". No, I think it is a VERY tiny group that "accept" DRM-encrusted merchandise. I bet most of the people that just "accept" DRM-encrusted merchandise are not very technical with computers. I would like to see some numbers comparing the "acceptance" of DRM-encrusted merchandise from technically-savvy people vs. non-technically-savvy people.

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    22. Re:At what point... by b00tang · · Score: 0

      Doesn't this all work out perfectly for Apple? Almost everyone who actually knows what DRM is and is actually concerned about it has a large chance of knowing about programs like this that will strip off iTunes DRM. Some people who don't like DRM will not buy from iTunes because they feel strongly against DRM, but many others who don't like DRM will just buy their songs and strip the DRM off. So the major labels let Apple sell the music because its "DRM protected" (which is crucial because the services that don't work with major labels are at a disadvantage), most people buy without knowing anything about DRM, others just buy because they know they can strip the DRM off if necessary, and a small part of the market share doesn't buy because they are against DRM. Apple gets pretty much the max possible number of customers. Apple wins, so I tend to feel like it IS about what Apple wants. Is that just a crazy idea? (as a side note: I do tend to agree that just happily going along with DRM like this is probably leading us all to our doom... but I'm not going to get into that here.)

    23. Re:At what point... by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      [Apple doesn't] have a choice if they want to sell music.

      Oh really? Companies like Emusic (and bands like They Might Be Giants) are doing just fine, and they don't sell infected files. In fact, the only companies that are really big on DRM are those who are already entrenched and have a nice little oligopoly going. Hmm.

    24. Re:At what point... by babbling · · Score: 1

      Then perhaps you can explain why the hardware manufacturers are going along with it.

      It is possible to encrypt something to keep it from its recipient. When every single program on your computer is encrypted, and people need licenses to write programs or own recording devices, how are you planning on defeating that encryption?

  6. Let the law suits begin by rlp · · Score: 1

    Only a matter of time till both Apple and MS initiate lawsuits on those that cracked their DRM. No doubt aided and abetted by the **AA. The silver lining is that if this gets to the SC, the DMCA *might* get struck down as unconstitutional.

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    1. Re:Let the law suits begin by xtracto · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only a matter of time till both Apple and MS initiate lawsuits on those that cracked their DRM. No doubt aided and abetted by the **AA. The silver lining is that if this gets to the SC, the DMCA *might* get struck down as unconstitutional.

      Cracked DRM? where? What this program does is something similar to dump some part of the memory in your machine into a file. It does not cracks anything, it does not modify any program, it is not any key generator, it just dumps a section of your computer memory into the disk.

      Guess what, Microsoft Office does exactly that when you click the "save document" function. =o)

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    2. Re:Let the law suits begin by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Except that won't happen. For the DMCA to be struck down, somebody would have to first lose a massive lawsuit against the **AA people, and who is willing to take that risk? And this is not a political climate that favors striking down the DMCA; even if it was struck down, corporate lobbyists would instantly be pushing congress to pass an even stricter law. What is really needed is to have a study publicized which demonstrates that the content industries never had anything to fear in the first place (such a study was conducted, but never made it to the press...), and press coverage about just how stupid the content industry is being. But where are these stories? I guess the media really doesn't want to criticize itself.

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    3. Re:Let the law suits begin by mrjb · · Score: 1

      I'm not in the U.S. nor a citizen, but doesn't this "Circumvent" the copy protection?

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    4. Re:Let the law suits begin by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Only a matter of time till both Apple and MS initiate lawsuits on those that cracked their DRM.

      I thought the people that develop this kind of thing live in Norway or other countries which recognize fair use and don't extradite to the US over such matters.

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    5. Re:Let the law suits begin by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1

      I am no lover of DRM or the DMCA but your arguement is a little weak. To say that this hack does the same thing as the 'Save As' function may be technically true but there is a little matter of intent to consider. A person who is involved in a horrible accident that causes a death of another is treated differently under the law because of intent. This purpose of the hack is to take away copy protection whereas the purpose of 'Save As' is to make a record of your work. They may do the cause the same process on a harddrive but they are hardly the same thing.

    6. Re:Let the law suits begin by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      An interesting question... if you recorded the analog output, would that circumvent copy protection? I mean, at that point, there's no copy protection to circumvent, right? So they are capturing a stream, it seems, after it's been formatted into something that can actually be played. In other words, they're not touching a copy protected file or stream, so how can they be circumventing the copy protection?

      I know it sounds really wishy-washy, but when mymp3 was ordered to shut down, it seems that intent of the law doesn't matter, and any little technicality can be exploited, which is why legal documents are so long and ridiculous.

      For those that don't know the story, it's one of my favorite anti RIAA ones to tell... mymp3 let you "unlock" mp3s on their servers by having their software installed on your computer and giving you access to mp3 versions of songs on a CD you had to put in your computer. So you'd put the CD in, the computer would read the ID, and unlock mp3s of those songs on their server.

      They were ordered to shut down because you are allowed to copy your CD for your own use, but you're not allowed to copy someone elses CD. It didn't matter that, with the same settings and encoder, the files were identical.

      So if they can play that game, then so can we.

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    7. Re:Let the law suits begin by Jerf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      When you play the law game, the argument of the form "Look, there's a definition of X in the dictionary, under which X didn't happen. Therefore, I didn't do X. Ha-ha! Got you!" works about as well as I've made it sound. You really don't get to pick definitions; you can do some limited advocacy if you can find some evidence, but you aren't going to get away with arguing that because one of the definitions of murder is "something very difficult or dangerous", you therefore didn't commit murder when you shot that guy that was annoying you, on the grounds that it was quite easy and involved no danger to you.

      The DMCA is pretty clear on what it means by circumvention:

      `(3) As used in this subsection--

      `(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

      `(B) a technological measure `effectively controls access to a work' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.
      If you think you can convince a judge that this isn't textbook circumvention, hey, go for it. But saying it'd be an uphill battle is putting it lightly. Especially if you go in there claiming that it's somehow impossible for a "mere memory dump" to constitute circumvention, when it is clearly one of many types of transform wherein you put a protected work in one end, and get an unprotected work out the other.

      (Do not confuse this post with DMCA advocacy. I strongly disagree with outlawing technologies and actions; I think the law in this area should merely concern itself with results. But I also think you can't fight against something you don't understand; you just make yourself sound like an idiot. You need to understand there is a distinction between what the laws says and what you wish it said. Understanding the DMCA better is a necessary step in fighting it.)
    8. Re:Let the law suits begin by killmenow · · Score: 1
      What is really needed is to have a study publicized which demonstrates that the content industries never had anything to fear in the first place (such a study was conducted, but never made it to the press...), and press coverage about just how stupid the content industry is being. But where are these stories? I guess the media really doesn't want to criticize itself.
      I once took the time to put together a cross-referenced list of news media outlets, including newspapers, magazines, radio, and television and record labels, movie studios, et. al., that very clearly showed the link in ownership. It's old, out of date, and I can't find it now; but, it suffices to say you are right in that "the media doesn't want to criticize itself" because that is precisely what it would be doing. Most major "news" providers are owned by the same folks that own most major "content" providers.
    9. Re:Let the law suits begin by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      It is still a DRM circumvention tool, and so still illegal in the US (not that I agree it should be, just pointing out the legal facts).

    10. Re:Let the law suits begin by gfxguy · · Score: 1
      A person who is involved in a horrible accident that causes a death of another is treated differently under the law because of intent.

      Yes, it's true that we should treat people differently depending on whether or not something was intentional, but besides that, intent shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter if you killed your wife because she was sleeping with someone else or simply because you wanted the life insurance money, for example. It shouldn't matter if you beat someone up because they were gay, all it matters is that you intentionally beat someone up and you should get the maximum punishment (IOW, I totally disagree with "hate crimes", people should always be subject to harsh punishment when they intentionally hurt someone).

      Back on the topic, though, intent has little to do with it. If there's a stop sign out in the middle of Oklahoma where you can clearly see for miles and miles that there are no other vehicles or people on the road, then you've still violated the traffic code by blowing that stop sign. The intent of the sign is public safety, you did nothing to make anyone unsafe, but you could still get a ticket and never be able to argue your way out of it.

      So now we go on to intent, and in a previous post I described mymp3.com, which I'll quickly repeat. MyMP3.com provided software that you installed on your computer. By putting a physical copy of a CD in your computer, the software would read the ID and "unlock" those songs on your account. Really, given the rights by congress we have to copy our own music, this does not violate the intent of the law - after all, you have provided the service proof that you at least have a physical copy of the CD, which means you are perfectly capable of making your own MP3s.

      MyMP3 was shut down on the technicality that they were providing you with a copy of their CD, and not yours. The letter of the law, not the intent, is what is judged.

      As far as your comment about intent is concerned, the fact is there are different laws written to handle different intent when committing the same crime. That's why there are hate crime laws, and why there's a difference between murder and involuntary man-slaughter, it's because the laws are actually written to take that into account.

      The laws are very specific (annoyingly so). This program does not circumvent copy protection, it accesses the stream AFTER it's already been circumvented in order to actually make the content useful.
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    11. Re:Let the law suits begin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, analog copying (with home equipment atleast) always equals loss in sound quality.
      So does recoding of already lossy files.

      But recording an analog sounstream and encoding with anything lossy results in even more loss of original sound information.

      And every time you do this it results in a copy that's less perfect than the original.
      Same with analog copying.

      So it isn't the same thing that this program seems to do.
      That is copy the digital file as is while unencrypted.
      There's a difference.

    12. Re:Let the law suits begin by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      All good except for the hate-crime analogy. So-called hate crimes codify motivation, not intent. One's intent is to purposefully cause harm, but the motivation or reason is because you're white/black/gay/whatever.

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    13. Re:Let the law suits begin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you think you can convince a judge that this isn't textbook circumvention, hey, go for it. But saying it'd be an uphill battle is putting it lightly. Especially if you go in there claiming that it's somehow impossible for a "mere memory dump" to constitute circumvention, when it is clearly one of many types of transform wherein you put a protected work in one end, and get an unprotected work out the other.
      Apple could have chosen to implement iTunes so that the data did not appear in memory in a dump-able format. For whatever business reasons, they chose not to implement that technical measure. Perhaps they thought it would make iTunes too slow, or to difficult to mass-produce. Does the DMCA protect software manufacturers from non-existant technical measures?
    14. Re:Let the law suits begin by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When you play the law game, the argument of the form "Look, there's a definition of X in the dictionary, under which X didn't happen. Therefore, I didn't do X. Ha-ha! Got you!" works about as well as I've made it sound.

      Oh yeah, as if lawyers never exploit technicalities. The technicality here, of course, is that you are gaining access to the copyrighted work with permission of the copyright owner and through the approved method. It's being decoded into memory in the correct and legal means, and you then have a legally decoded copy in memory. The user is then copying that copy in accordance with fair use. There's no circumvention of the controlled access to the work, because it's an issue of what the user who has controlled access does with that access.

      I'm not saying it's an iron-clad argument or anything, but it certainly could be argued on very technical grounds, and that's a large part of what lawyers do-- argue about the wording and meaning of laws in a very technical way. The point is, the transformation from a protected copy to an unprotected copy is done explicitly how the copyright holder has given permission for it to be done. Every time you play a song in iTunes, the program is making an unprotected copy in memory, and this program is simply a means to KEEP that copy.

    15. Re:Let the law suits begin by Mattintosh · · Score: 2

      Two things here:

      1) Descramble? No. Decrypt? Nada. Avoid? Nyet. Bypass? Nien. Remove? Iie. Deactivate? Nay. Impair? FALSE. It's not doing anything to "circumvent a technological measure." It is, in fact, accepting the output of authorized decryption, then doing "unapproved" things with that output. Thus the DMCA does not apply.

      2) This hack most certainly is handled "in the ordinary course of its operation", in that even if you don't have QTFairUse6 installed, iTunes still decrypts and stores to a memory address, thus removing the DMCA-covered "technological measure".

      So it's quite possible to argue that a "mere memory dump" does not violate the DMCA. The decryption is authorized, the "technological measure" is removed, and the DMCA is no longer an issue before QTFairUse6 ever touches the data. These facts will hold up in court if you can get them there, and it'll be all the more convincing when you get the record industry "experts" and Apple's engineers to say it.

    16. Re:Let the law suits begin by vertinox · · Score: 1

      If you think you can convince a judge that this isn't textbook circumvention, hey, go for it.

      Or jury.

      (which you might convince that Wookies on Endor are illogical so they must aquit)

      If RIAA or Apple sued you civil suite, you could in theory get your lawyer to request a trial by jury. The downside of this, it causes the case to be extended exponentially and you'd better have deep pockets to pay your team of laywers.

      Hey... It worked for OJ.

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    17. Re:Let the law suits begin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how much loss would be ok? 1 bit? 1%?

    18. Re:Let the law suits begin by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "If you think you can convince a judge that this isn't textbook circumvention..."

      Depends on how technically orient the judge is. If you go by the terms you mention in the DMCA law, it would seem that the 'memory dump' might be a valid argument.

      The encryption is not being damange, rather, the software is doing just what it is supposed to be doing. It is decrypting the audio which would normally go to the speakers to be played...clear form music to the speakers. However, you are not directing the lawfully decrypted music to the speakers, but, are directing it to a file.

      I don't thing that there is anything in DMCA or any other law that stipulates what you have to do with the data/signal once it has been lawfully decoded by the DRM software is there? I mean I don't see anywhere in here that you have to play the decoded media through a speaker and on the speaker or that you can or cannot do anything with it (within fair use) at all.

      As weird as the law works...I think this might actually be the technicality that would prove workable and legal.

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    19. Re:Let the law suits begin by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      No, you didn't get it - YOU are allowed to make an MP3 of YOUR CD. mymp3.com made MP3 of their CD. If you used the same encoder with the same settings, you would have exactly the same file because it's all in the digital realm. Then you can copy your mp3 as much as you wanted for your use with no additional loss.

      There is no difference.

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    20. Re:Let the law suits begin by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1

      Exactly what DRM is being circumvented? It is *Apple's* iTunes that does the removal of the DRM and then knowingly stores an unencrypted, non-DRM version of that paid-for work in memory. At that point no circumvention is needed. All you have to do is exercise your fair-use rights to make a backup of the legally obtained work. This tool has no ability to circumvent DRM. Period.

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    21. Re:Let the law suits begin by nahdude812 · · Score: 1
      circumvent /srkmvnt, srkmvnt/
      -verb (used with object)
      1. to go around or bypass: to circumvent the lake; to circumvent the real issues.
      2. to avoid (defeat, failure, unpleasantness, etc.) by artfulness or deception; avoid by anticipating or outwitting: He circumvented capture by anticipating their movements.
      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=circumven t&x=0&y=0

      This does bypass the DRM. This does get around the DRM. This does avoid the DRM. This does defeat the DRM.

      How exactly is this not circumvention? The fact that it captures the unencrypted stream out of memory, or that it uses iTunes' own decryption in the process doesn't affect its status as a circumvention tool. It explicitly and by purpose is a tool you stick DRM in one side, and get non-DRM out the other side; that qualifies. iTunes qualifies as circumvention too, except the statute exempts DRM circumvention w/ permission of the copyright owner (which iTunes has).

      Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of the tool, but any first year lawyer would be able to make this statute stick against this tool. I'm glad that someone's pulling it from the memory stream, because this proves that no matter how complex and "fool proof" you make DRM, at some point you need to decrypt it, and at that point (and ideally as close to the end of the decryption as possible), it exists someplace that it can be captured.
    22. Re:Let the law suits begin by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Apple claims they implement DRM not because they want to but because of contractual obligation with the record companies. If suing people who break the DRM is also a term of that contract, or otherwise interferes with their ability to continue this business, then yeah, maybe they'll sue. But that's pretty much the only motive they would have. Apple's bottom line (hardware sales) is not otherwise affected by DRM's failure; they don't really have anything at stake here.

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  7. DRM has no place in the free market. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The free market has spoken: DRM is not wanted.

    1. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Funny

      I beleive the dignified response a consumer should give to Apple and other makers of DRM is:
      "Neener neener naw naw," coupled with happy-dancing around the computer desk.

    2. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by kalemba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ummm, 1 billion+ songs sold with DRM, and that's just from itunes. perhaps you have misinterpreted what the free market has said... [i am not advocating DRM, just commenting on the previous post]

    3. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by spun · · Score: 1

      The free market isn't really so free, is it? Where's my Drug-n-Hooker Mart? That's it, I'm making my own free market, with drugs, and hookers! In fact, forget the free market part. I'm moving to an island someplace and I'm taking all the drugs and hookers with me. All you squares can have fun with your drug-and-hooker-less so-called free market.

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    4. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by mingot · · Score: 1

      But on the other hand the free market has ALSO said they want badly the product apple is selling and are willing to put up with a lot of nonsense to get it. If "people" really wanted to send a clear message to the record companies about DRM they would simply not purchase or deal with DRM'd material.

    5. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by westlake · · Score: 1

      There are teo and only two choices when you want content from the major providers. Protected content (aka DRM) or advertising. There is no third choice when the production budget for a movie like Cars is $90 million dollars.

    6. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is relevant.

      I signed up for Vongo a couple of weeks ago. Downloaded a movie or two. Being a geek with toys, I figured, "ok, I'll download a movie and play it on my PSP".

      No dice. WMV with DRM (PlaysForSure? Riiight...), and my PSP isn't a suported player.

      So, hunting around, I came across 'FairUse4WM' - which failed to work.

      I called up Vongo and canecelled my account. The very nice girl asked me the reason, and I responded, "Your service uses DRM, and I'm just not cool with that." When she asked me to expand, I said, "Well, I wanted to play a movie on my PSP, and there was no way to do it. I'm not saying 'Get it to work on a PSP', I'm saying, 'get it to work on anything I might own that can play digital video'"

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    7. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What does a movie have to do with the discussion at hand? We're talking about music here, and it costs far less than $90 million to record an album. I've heard estimates of $100k-200k for overpriced big-label records, and I'm sure independent labels and artists can do it much cheaper with today's technology.

      Strangely enough, however, those $90-250 million movies only cost $10-20 on a DVD. Yet music CDs, which cost three orders of magnitude less to make, cost just as much money to buy. Something's fishy there.

    8. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by emamousette · · Score: 1

      Isn't that pretty much the case, though?
      Apple sells 10s of millions of iPods per quarter, but the number of units of iTunes music sold is, if I recall correctly, an order of magnitude lower than that.
      We've got lots of razors, but aren't going back to the till for so many blades, especially ones that only fit in our personal shaver and can't be shared with our closest friends [some of whom are quite hairy...]

    9. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      No, I think the free market has said in this case, "Weak DRM is ok as long as we can nullify it when we feel like it."

      I wonder what would happen to iTMS's popularity if Apple did away with burning CDs/ripping DRMless MP3s, and made their DRM airtight in iTunes 8. THe **IA's would be exuberant. And sales would plummet.

      As an ITMS customer, the only reason I buy from iTMS is because I know I can convert all my purchases to DRMless MP3--and I do, every one. If Apple makes (breaks) it such that I can't do that anymore, I just won't buy from iTMS anymore.

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    10. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "As an ITMS customer, the only reason I buy from iTMS is because I know I can convert all my purchases to DRMless MP3-"

      If I'm hearing your correctly, you actually like the idea of purchasing a song that is already in a lossy format (less quality that the original CD), and you then reconvert that in a lossy manner to mp3? You're paying for songs and degrading the quality twice, and you like this?

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    11. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, I can barely hear the difference.

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    12. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're hearing me correctly (I expect your hearing is very good). I do love music, but I don't consider myself an audiophile and such "degradations in quality" are imperceptible to my ear. Saves me money in audio equipment and headphones, too.

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    13. Re:DRM has no place in the free market. by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and just Google for how many songs are downloaded each month on p2p. That 1 billion+ looks like chump change in comparison. Compare any 12 month period of iTunes (and other DRM-encrusted downloads) to the same 12 moths of p2p downloads. The game is not even close. The *majority* of the technically savvy market have said no to DRM and it is evident every day by the millions of downloads on p2p. Sadly it is the non-technically savvy that get the short end of the stick and get stuck with DRM limitations.

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  8. DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by ControlFreal · · Score: 5, Informative

    In a DRM system, the consumer's machine needs to get both the encrypted content, and the key to decrypt this content. Otherwise, the consumer cannot listen to the audio he just purchased. As long as we listen to music with our analog ears, and watch video with our analog eyes, this will be the case.

    As any cryptographer will tell you: if you have the cyphertext and the correct key, you can decrypt the content. Therefore, DRM systems are, by their very definition, nothing more than security by obscurity. It is a cryptographical pipe dream.

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    1. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      As long as we listen to music with our analog ears, and watch video with our analog eyes, this will be the case.

      Heheh ... Just wait 'til we introduce our new BrainImplant(R) DRM-on-a-chip(TM) decoding system! We will pwn j00!

      Sincerely,
      The RIAA and MPAA Joint Cartel

    2. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by localman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with you. However it doesn't actually need to be a solid system to seemingly have the desired effect. iTunes 6 broke Hymn quite a while ago and until last week there was no way to decrypt. There still isn't on the Mac. They can keep changing things up and make it a pain. And even though there's still CD's out there and people can download from P2P, they file lawsuits to put a damper on that. So I think they believe their strategy is stopping 80% or more of the problem.

      However, I think the real reason legal music downloads is working is because iTunes is a better experience. That's it. I think they're wasting their own time and money with DRM and lawsuits and whatever. All they've ever had to do was provide a better experience and people will pay. People with money will, anyways. They've seen this but they won't believe it. And if they wanted to take it further down the "better experience" path, they'd drop DRM and lawsuits. But whatever; they won't.

      Cheers.

    3. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1

      our analog eyes

      This may be a little off topic, but it strikes me that our eyes have a finite number of rods and cones to sample the incoming light. As such, they are a natural world digital system, albeit very high fidelity.

    4. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by pegr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As any cryptographer will tell you: if you have the cyphertext and the correct key, you can decrypt the content.
       
      This is exactly correct. In the classic crypto scenario, A(lice) encrypts communication to B(ob) to protect it from attacker C(harles).
       
      But as Bruce himself would tell you, in the DRM scenario, B and C are the same person! Attempts to enable "Trustworthy" computing is simply a move to make the computer itself B, with C being the computer's owner... You own it, you pay for it, but your own computer doesn't trust you. No thanks...

    5. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I've often thought about this, and my answer is that our eyes aren't as sensitive as you'd believe. The key is that 'finite number'... How small could such a receptor be and still be useful? And there's cones and rods both, taking up space.

      My theory on this is that yes, it's pretty 'high-def' in there, but our mind takes it a step further and interpolates. Our eyes are always moving, even if by almost imperceptable amounts. And they've proven how your mind makes your 'blind spot' look just as real and detailed as the rest of your vision.

      So I think the answer is the interpolation. This also partly explain why some people notice frames per second more than others. Some peoples' brains heavily interpolate and so the information has a lag/blur effect. Others tend to use ever single bit of information as it comes in, but their perceived definition is probably not quite as good.

      Just theories of mine, and I'm a programmer not a biologist, but they sure sound good. :)

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    6. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 1

      As long as we listen to music with our analog ears, and watch video with our analog eyes, this will be the case.

      You realize, then, that you'll have to replace your ears five years from now to fix this flaw.

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    7. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by camcorder · · Score: 1

      If my ears won't catch a frequency played through the audio stream, or my eyes won't catch a color on an image, I would not care as a plain audience. That's why lossy compression algorithms are common, and more than enough for most people. If you need that fidelity you must be a professional and it's wise to pay for that content. Indeed it's ripping people off to sell lossy compressed audio or video. That's like demo of your original content.

    8. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Informative

      I like Cory Doctorow's take on the DRM issue, as explained in his talk at Microsoft. Eye-opening to anyone who isn't into cryptography, it explains just how easy it is to break DRM.

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    9. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by blugu64 · · Score: 1

      Humm...but then don't we only have a fininte number of photons, and other really small physics crap that i don't know anything about floating around?

      would that make everything Digital?

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    10. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Athrac · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is how current implementations of DRM work. But what if decrypting is done at the hardware level? Let's say, the data is encrypted with a device specific public key, and the corresponding private key is implemented in the hardware. If someone wants to decrypt the data, it would require reverse engineering the hardware. It's possible in theory, but in practice it's too expensive.

    11. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by myz24 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Low refresh rates don't bother me too much, 60 is no good, but 70 is ok for me personally. However, most DLP projection systems bother the hell out of me because I see the separate colors during motion or if I move my eyes. Lately I've found that 128kbps encoded mp3's don't sound near as good as 192kbps but AAC files from iTMS sound just fine. It depends on the person and the way their brain processes what it receives.

    12. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by ifrag · · Score: 1

      It's possible in theory, but in practice it's too expensive.

      Perhaps that's too expensive on both sides though. You have to produce and market the hardware. Users seem willing enough to purchase a portable device to play their music on, but if they need a PCI card or some such on the PC end that's another device you need to get the consumer to buy. DRM is something the normal consumer does not want. With the current situation most users already have a computer so providing a free application that allows them to purchase DRM'd music has been somewhat successful.

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    13. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Our eyes are always moving, even if by almost imperceptable amounts. And they've proven how your mind makes your 'blind spot' look just as real and detailed as the rest of your vision.

      Not only that, but most of the field of your vision look hi-res when really the only part of the eye that has good resolution covers about an area of your view equal to the size of a quarter held at arm's length. Go ahead, try it: open up Notepad or something and type a letter. Stare at it. Now don't move your eye off of it for the rest of the test. (This is actually a lot harder at first than you might think.) Start typing random letters. After just a few of them you'll stop being able to tell what they are. Yet when you're reading everything looks fine.

      I think people know this implicitly, because if you pay attention to what you do when you're reading, driving, etc, you're constantly moving your eyes to follow the focus of what you're looking at. At the same time, I don't think most people realize how poor the vision is in most of our eyes.

    14. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      See, your 'low refresh rates' is my 'high refresh rates'. 15 or 20 is kinda iffy for me, but 30 and above all look pretty much the same to me. I think part of it is what we expect our eyes to handle, also. I'm not much of an action gamer (I enjoy some, but not like others). I prefer puzzles and adventures, and programming. Not really much use for split-second vision there. If I played more FPS's and fighing games, I'd probably have developed the 'anything under 120 fps is detectable' eyesight.

      Just another instance of how adaptable humans are to their situations.

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    15. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Really?

      They tried that. It was called 'CSS', on DVDs.

      And you know what happened? Someone broke it.

      The inherent problem with 'doing everything in hardware' is that people won't buy the hardware. If you get a message from iTunes that 'You need to buy XXX hardware device to play this file', are you likely to buy that product, or are you likely to look elsewhere?

      "But they'll be including it in PCs!"

      Bullshit. That locks out owners of older PCs from content - something neither Apple nor the recording studios want. They want to be able to charge you. So? Even if they do start including it, it'll be in software.

      And let me tell you: convincing a computer that a piece of working hardware doesn't exist is a simple task. In windows it's brain-dead easy (hardware manager, disable). In linux it's harder, but not to worry: you won't ever have to worry about it in linux.

      In my mind, the best DRM would be transparent, and wouldn't affect copying at all. It would be a DCT-resistant (ie: lasts through transcoding) steganography embedded into the PCM data that would require serious damage to the content to remove. The secret text would be an encrypted set of data representing the name and address of the buyer. Meanwhile, the file would play on any device that could handle MP3s (or, preferably, OGGs).

      I'm actually working on something like this. Label me a traitor or a big brother or whatever, but if it gets copy-restriction out of the way, I'm happy about it.

      When content shows up in the wild, the Copyright Mohofas could decrypt the secrettext (using their private key), sue the original distributor (as it should be), and keep a scaled down version of their existing business model (they need a diet anyway).

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    16. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Just wait until I make a hack to use the processing power available from your BrainImplant(R) system to turn everyone into The Terminator(R) with orders to Kill You And Rape Your Corpse In Front Of A Live Studio Audience Then Feed Your Violated Remains To Rabid Wolverines(TM).

      Sincerely,

      A former paying customer

    17. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by shark72 · · Score: 1

      "However, I think the real reason legal music downloads is working is because iTunes is a better experience. That's it. I think they're wasting their own time and money with DRM and lawsuits and whatever. All they've ever had to do was provide a better experience and people will pay. People with money will, anyways. They've seen this but they won't believe it. And if they wanted to take it further down the "better experience" path, they'd drop DRM and lawsuits. But whatever; they won't."

      Agreed with you for the most part, put from a business perspective, piracy is like shoplifting; there will always people who will rationalize a way to do it. Retail stores can lower prices all they want and provide as many positive incentives not to shoplift as they can, but they still invest in screening gear and will kick your ass right proper if they catch you.

      Remember five years ago when the selection of legitimate online music was awful, tracks cost $3 each, and the DRM was hideous? Folks said that the value proposition simply wasn't good enough, and they would switch from P2P to buying online when online music was cheaper, better, and more plentiful. Today music is less than a buck, DRM is almost invisible for most people, and selection is plentiful. The iTMS has been a huge success, but the die-hard P2P (and now, Russian music site) fans claim that it's still overpriced, and $0.50 - $0.75 is a fair price. You can be sure that if Apple loosens their DRM even more, drops the price to $0.50, and offers in a dozen encoding formats and bitrates, the P2P fans will claim that $0.25 is the fair price, and that they will continue to P2P because Apple and the record companies "don't get it."

      Economics is all about incentives. There are positive incentives, like pricing and selection. There are negative incentives, like making it difficult to break the law, or pursuing those who do. Like the brick and mortar retail industry, successful online industries will continue to do both.

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    18. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by Athrac · · Score: 1

      CSS algorithm sucked badly, and it was broken by using brute force! One doesn't even have to find out the player keys to decrypt DVDs. I'm not trying to defend DRM or anything. In fact, I believe I hate it more than most people. My point was just that even though the consumer has both the encrypted content and the encryption key, it doesn't mean it will always cause the system to fail. It will fail, but not because of that. Just like you said, people won't buy it.

    19. Re:DRM is a cryptographical pipe dream by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1

      DRM a pipe dream?

      Yeah well let's see you get around a welded-on DRM helmet baby!
      http://www.oreillynet.com/1540.html

  9. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

    That was quick. Almost too quick...

    1. Re:Moo by Fordiman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah. Just register that this time, they knew what the appropriate code looked like, and found it relatively easy to find in the new binaries:

      Find the AAC stream decoding function using a subset of the old one as the 'signature bytes'. Do this many times with different sig sets until you find something that more or less consistently matches up.

      Look for references to it in other functions that also appear to be stream-decoding. There shouldn't be too many, and one of them must be the FairPlay decryptor.

      Hook into the new address you've found, and start dumping.

      QED. And, no, I'm not saying "I wish I'd done that". I havent (though, I was in the process of...). Even if I had, I live in the states, so redistribution is a no-no.

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    2. Re:Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

      Heh, thanx for the fill-in. :)

  10. Apple, a DRM company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I imagine that there whole business will solely become selling DRM data and DRM players/viewers.

    The market of re-selling/renting disposible encrypted media is very large as long as it remains legal and the public doesn't figure out what is really going on.

  11. Re:Cracking because we care. by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 0

    impediment in the way of our pursuit of doing-whatever-the-hell-we-want-with-the-music-we- purchase

    FYP

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  12. Part of it is easy by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    Later in the thread they refer to a "fast dumping" feature which does not use real-time capture. Not sure how that works; in any case the fast dumping doesn't work w/iTunes 7 yet,

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  13. Folks here don't "get" DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By listening to the rants around here ranting against DRM, you'd think all these folks also don't have locks on their doors or even use software (after all, both are imperfect and have security issues and software has stability issues not to mention usability, etc). Fact is, that the DRM does the job intended (really intended) in that it keeps the majority of users honest. OK, so there is a crack for itunes drm, fine, the majority of people don't know and don't care. They feel that they are getting fair value for their $.99, which in the end is all that matters. As another poster mentioned, the market has spoken, and it's overwhelmingly in favour of DRM (not directly of course).

    1. Re:Folks here don't "get" DRM by jimstapleton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no, because people who don't have legitimate uses find easy ways around them.

      The people who stick to legitimate uses are more likely to give up and say "forget it, I guess I won't use it for my legitimiate use because I can't", and not bother looking for a crack.

      The only people that DRM hurts is the honest people who are not technically inclined.

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    2. Re:Folks here don't "get" DRM by Lussarn · · Score: 1

      The majority of people don't have DRM-laden music at all, yet most people have hundreds or thousands of songs. Mostly downloaded. Sure, there are a few who thinks that DRM-laden music at $.99 a piece is a bargain but I can't see how the market have spoken in favour of DRM when 99% of the music on peoples hardrives don't have DRM.

    3. Re:Folks here don't "get" DRM by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      No, I don't see how.

      DRM means the vast majority of people purchasing from iTunes can't share their music on P2P. However, the vast majority of people purchasing from iTunes wouldn't P2P share their music anyway.

      Meanwhile, it does nothing to stop people who download music. The music is still out there. Yes, even ripped from iTunes.

      I can't even vaguely begin to guess what iTune's DRM is supposed to be accomplishing, what obstacles it is putting in the way.

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    4. Re:Folks here don't "get" DRM by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      So you're saying DRM is important because it keeps honest people honest.

      Yeah, I buy that. I'm going to go sell a product that keeps left-handed people left-handed.

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    5. Re:Folks here don't "get" DRM by Tacvek · · Score: 1
      DRM does mostly hurt honest people who are not technically inclined. However it does prevent dishonest people who are not technically inclined from "pirating."

      In other words: It hurts honest people, but because it prevents casual "piracy", it is deemed a success. Nobody ever expected DRM to stop "piracy" completely. DRM is also a success in that it can cause consumers to buy the same content multiple times, so that they can use it on all their devices.

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    6. Re:Folks here don't "get" DRM by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Nope. DRM just forces those non-technically inclined dishonest people to go to a technically inclined dishonest person who has already cracked the DRM and buy the media at 1/10th the face value. In the process it also creates new criminal enterprises and funds existing organized crime. Who do you think is selling those CDs full of ripped MP3s on the street corners in Brooklyn? The Girl Scouts?

      As for buying the same song multiple times, that is just stupid. Why would we accept that new technology actually works worse than the old stuff unless we were given no choice and that lack of choice was being maintained by force of law? Digital cell phones sound worse than the old analog ones, but allow the phone companies to run 100 calls on the hardware that used to support 10. Modern digital music (MP3s and other compressed formats) sounds worse than good old-fashioned CD music, while often allowing the companies to control us through DRM. Satellite radio and TV lose signal more than tradition radio and TV technologies, while making what a VCR made easy in the '80s difficult again. Modern music is sold as a $1 iPod song, a $2.99 downloadable song on my cell phone and a $1.99 ring tone (yes, on the same phone I have to buy it as a song and as a ringtone!!!), and through the wonders of DRM and the DMCA, I have little to no choice.

      All this damage occured so that we can prevent digital file sharing that was never proven to cause losses to anyone to begin with. We enacted these horrible laws and invented this horrible technology on the unfounded fear that somebody might lose some money.

  14. Re:Cracking because we care. by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

    Honestly, the reason people do this, is because most DRM, like [un-]'FairPlay', prevents a lot of valid and legitimate use.

    I have well over 200 CDs in my CD cases at home, many probably have copy protection on them, though I've never done anything special to get around it (well, one CD crashes my Windows computer no matter what I do, so I don't put it in there). I have copies of all of these on my HD. Not so I can share the music with others online, I've never shared one song, but because I don't want the cpu hogging garbage the CP puts on my computer, and because I don't want to listen to one CD at a time, and switch every time I want a new song, especially since this risks damaging the CDs. On top of that, I want to listen to it on whatever device I have, be it my notebook, my desktop, my sterio, or my portable audio player. In this last case, DRM can cause major headaches and hinderances. Kein danke.

    It restores my faith in humanity that there are people who willingly and freely help us preserve up our legitimate interests, when companies would try to take it away from us for a few extra bucks.

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  15. This is wrong by Microsift · · Score: 0

    There is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases. Apple has made great efforts to publicize how products purchased can be used (up to 5 computers, any number of iPods). So, there's no reason someone who buys music from iTunes should be surprised that there is DRM attached to the file.

    I contrast this with CDs that have attempted to prevent users from copying songs to their computers. A customer who bought a copy-protected CD could reasonably expect to be able to copy those songs to their computer, because that is the way that most CD's work. The record companies have made little effort to communicate to the public how these CDs can be used.

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    1. Re:This is wrong by rlp · · Score: 1

      here is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases

      Itunes music didn't work particularly well on my Sandisk MP3 player till I burned it to CD-R and then extracted it as MP3. It quickly got to be too much hassle, so I stopped using Itunes.

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    2. Re:This is wrong by jimstapleton · · Score: 5, Informative

      So, I could download something from iTunes, and without hassle, put it on my non-apple MP3 player, have a copy on my work (windows) PC, my home (Windows) PC, my notebook (BSD), and use it on my Audiotron player (MP3 and WMA compatable) that pipes it through my sterio?

      Somehow I doubt it, yet those are all legitimate uses.

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    3. Re:This is wrong by Deadguy2322 · · Score: 0

      Hey, jimsimpleton, learn how to spell. The word is STEREO, dumbass.

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    4. Re:This is wrong by lorenlal · · Score: 2

      Actually, I can think of a couple perfectly legit reasons involving things that I want to do.

      1. I have been unable to listen to my music on my XP x64 installation. I've been using this as my primary PC for a while now, and I've been unable to play any of my M4Ps since iTunes won't even install (until today). I spent a long time looking for an older iTunes 6 installation, but to no avail. I'll see if I can get things working again tonight. If I could strip the DRM, I'd just open up any number of other players and listen in Media Player or Winamp.

      2. I have a car MP3-CD player. I cannot convert my M4Ps to MP3 without wasting a bunch of CDs. iTunes doesn't let you create an MP3 CD with your protected songs. If iTunes allowed me to burn an MP3 CD with those protected songs, or if I stripped the DRM, I could make that MP3 CD and have my music with me in the car.

      Yes, I know that if the DRM was easily removed the *AA would be all over them... I understand that this isn't all on Apple, and they have to at least try to keep their music locked down. And no, I'm not going to go spend $400+ just to listen to music I already bought.

    5. Re:This is wrong by mondoterrifico · · Score: 1

      DRM has no legitimacy period.

    6. Re:This is wrong by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      There is also no legitimate reason to inconvenience your paying customer and lock him into protection schemes at all. Whether it's some arbitrary number of copies he may hold or other limitations imposed on him. What happens to my music when I went through 5 computers (you know the MTBF is shrinking quickly in the current hardware, yes?), not every song is fast food like current pop music. I might still want to be able to listen to it in 10 years.

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    7. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases."

      Do you still have the first 5 computers you worked on?

      Do you still have the first 5 CDs you bought?

      For me the answers are no and yes. Music has far outlasted my computers. Tie my music to my computer and I'm not buying. Ever.

    8. Re:This is wrong by Fished · · Score: 1

      uh huh. So, tell me, since I carry a Palm Treo with me, which is perfectly capable of playing MP3s (except for the DRM), how then do I play itunes files on my Treo? Why should I have to by a separate box to play my iTunes files?

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    9. Re:This is wrong by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 3, Informative
      There is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases.


      Yeah sure. Wanting to listen to purchased music on Linux systems is wrong.
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    10. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how should i play it on my palm lifedrive?
      Or my old pocket pc?
      Or my father on his creative muvo?

    11. Re:This is wrong by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think Apple has procedures for deauthorizing a computer and adding a new one in its place. Unless you're going through computers like the Flash, it shouldn't be much of a hassle.

    12. Re:This is wrong by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      There is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases.

      Some of us use MP3 players not produced by Apple, or OSes that Apple has refused to produce a player for.

      Of course, some of us also don't buy damn crippled music from Apple, but claiming there is 'no legitimate reason' for stripping DRM is idiotic. It's format shifting, and there are plenty of legitimate reasons to do it. Hell, maybe we want to use it as a ringtone.

      I find it sort of funny that it's magically okay to take a legally purchased song from a CD and copy and alter the data to get it on an iPod, but it's not okay to take a legally purchased song from Apple and copy and alter the data to get it on a different brand of portable music device.

      I mean, it was one thing when the record industry was arguing that any copying was illegal. That stance was at least consistent. Now they're letting Apple sell music using software with features explicitly designed to copy CDs, but somehow it's 'wrong' to do a different format shift.

      I guess slapping the logo 'DRM' on it makes it somehow morally different.

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    13. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases.

      Here is another legitimate reason: My Squeezebox network music player will not play DRM protected AAC files from ITunes but will play plain AAC files just fine. I strip the DRM using these tools and voila I can listen to them without any additional conversion or burn/re-rip and the loss of sonic quality that would cause.

    14. Re:This is wrong by nahdude812 · · Score: 1
      There is no legitimate reason to strip the DRM from iTunes Store purchases.
      What about playing it on my non-Apple MP3 player? What about having a shared music source for my Windows & Linux dual boot?

      What about something as simple as wanting to play it in the audio software of my choice? Personally I like MixMeister Pro, it's DJ software, and gives me the kind of control I want in a music player (which iTunes is lacking).

      iTunes DRM is purposeful incompatibility designed into the codec. Frankly, unless Apple opens this format for others to implement on non-Apple hardware/software, shortly they're going to start risking wandering into antitrust territory, as they become the vast majority player in the market. Other companies have been burned for purposely taking great lengths to make their dominant product incompatible with competetor's products in order to lock their customers in. This is no different other than that Apple is a broker and not a producer.
    15. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...and use it on my Audiotron player (MP3 and WMA compatable) that pipes it through my sterio?


      I didn't know an Audiotron player can stream music over the internet to a sterio. I'll have to invest in some of those!
    16. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you have to do if you're unable (or forget) to deauthorize your previous computer is deauthorize ALL the computers associated with your account. (I can't remember if you do this through iTunes, or through apple.com somewhere). Then you can authorize up to 5 new computers. Very snazzy, really. I just wish the number of computers was higher. I have 7 just at home, not to mention 3 at the office. But that's why I have an iPod (can play it through the computer's speakers, even if that computer's not authorized for my library).

    17. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hell, maybe we want to use it as a ringtone.

      Why don't you pay the five dollars to download your ringtone?

      Note: Yes it was a joke.

    18. Re:This is wrong by base3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That procedure requires the computer still be running. Suffer a crash that requires an OS reinstall or replacement and you're down one machine, forever. Better to preemptively strip the DRM from what you buy and not have to worry about it. It's a symptom of our corporate whore government that doing so is technically a criminal act in the United States.

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    19. Re:This is wrong by PRMan · · Score: 1

      2. Use a CD-RW.

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    20. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to download an old version of iTunes, try

      http://www.oldapps.com/

    21. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it sort of funny that it's magically okay to take a legally purchased song from a CD and copy and alter the data to get it on an iPod, but it's not okay to take a legally purchased song from Apple and copy and alter the data to get it on a different brand of portable music device.

      Magic? No. It's called paid for legislation. It just looks like magic to those of us without a stack of cash to hand to a politician.

    22. Re:This is wrong by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Hey, fucker. I don't own an iPod. I like to listen to music and watch video on my Dell Axim (w/ 2G SD card). Does that mean I'm not allowed to use iTunes?

      Yeah. Thought so. How about thinking for a second before speaking.

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    23. Re:This is wrong by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, did Apple ever promise you'd be able to? I mean, you knew what you were getting into before you bought the music, right? It's all documented, and you agreed to the EULA before you clicked the "buy" button.

      So Apple is selling the exact product they promised to you-- and you're griping that the product isn't something entirely different. At least, that's what Apple's point of view is like.

    24. Re:This is wrong by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a job for a VMWare appliance. A cut down windows install that launches iTunes, and QTFairUse6.

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    25. Re:This is wrong by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      What if Apple promised me that after 3 and a half years of useage, if I didn't write them a letter with the word "Steve" on it and send it to a special address in the Congo, they'd get to take my house?

      You see, when they say "We'll let you download and play music". People have an expectation of what that means. The courts have also spelled out some of what that means. Both of those boil down a reasonable expectation that "I can play it on any of my devices that are designed to play digital music". Apple can't simple erase that with a EULA, it's guaranteed by the constitution in the same law that guarantees copyright protection to the record labels.

      The only reason Apple gets away with DRM is that there is another law that although it doesn't change my rights to fair use, it effectively prevents my exercising that right -- the DMCA. Apple only agrees to DRM because they wouldn't get the contracts to sell the music if they didn't. Apple would be more than happy to widen the envelope of compatible music and not have to maintain a DRM system.

      BTW, nearly all EULAs in the computer world state that the software is not guaranteed to do anything useful and the vendor has no responsibility to make it work or to compensate you if the software causes any problems. If your copy of Mac OSX or Windows doesn't work, I'm sure you won't stand for "But you are getting exactly what we promised you. Read the EULA."

    26. Re:This is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like a job for a VMWare appliance. A cut down windows install that launches iTunes, and QTFairUse6.

      Fucking stupid. Why would anyone want to pay for a vmware license, a windows license, have an unecessary process consuming 256MBs minimum of ram, etc etc etc, JUST TO LAUNCH AN INFERIOR HEAP O' SHITE MUSIC PLAYER?

  16. Apple - "whoops" by HatchedEggs · · Score: 1

    I hope Apple didn't spend too much time and effort on that, being that it only took a few hours for people to undo it. DRM is a pain. I don't particularily believe in downloading content I haven't paid for... but if I own something I should not be limited in how I want to use it. Kind of reminds me of Sony's shady DRM system on some of their CDs that you have to install their spyware to be able to use. And to think I'd purchased it and I still had all those restrictions on what I could do with it. I think that media companies don't seem to want to do themselves any favors with fans in all of this. At least it would appear so.

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    1. Re:Apple - "whoops" by misleb · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I hope Apple didn't spend too much time and effort on that, being that it only took a few hours for people to undo it. DRM is a pain. I don't particularily believe in downloading content I haven't paid for...


      Slightly off topic, but I wonder how you feel about downloding content that was on broadcast TV. Take the show "Lost" for example. Lets say you missed it when it was broadcast. Now, you could have recorded it for free and stripped out the commercials. But you didn't for whatever reason. You could wait a year for the DVD to come out, but you don't want to wait. You could pay some "legit" online service for the convenience of downloading, but why should pay for something that was broadcast for free just yesterday? Is there anything wrong with downloading it or getting it from a friend?

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    2. Re:Apple - "whoops" by azuravian · · Score: 1

      According to the law, my understanding is "yes, there is something wrong with doing this."\

      According to my own personal ethics, absolutely not. It is no different than me Tivoing it and FFWing the adverts.

    3. Re:Apple - "whoops" by Abreu · · Score: 1

      but why should pay for something that was broadcast for free just yesterday?

      Well, not that I agree with them, but probably their rationale is that you are paying for the convenience of downloading and watching the show in your own time.

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    4. Re:Apple - "whoops" by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      I'm actually kinda fine with that.

      I mean, technically, it's infringement, but I've also got a DVR. Last week, my bro deleted something I wanted to watch, so I hopped on BT and grabbed a copy, grumbling the whole time about the disregard recieved from siblings.

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    5. Re:Apple - "whoops" by madcow_bg · · Score: 1

      The way you describe it seems like it is a typical fair use case. I believe there was some kind of court ruling that explicitly said it is fair use.

    6. Re:Apple - "whoops" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the fact that you can strip out commercials gives you the right to strip out DRM? Interesting thought.

      Does the fact that you can kill someone with a gun give you the right to kill someone with a knive?

    7. Re:Apple - "whoops" by drcagn · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was recently in this predicament--I downloaded an episode of HBO's Entourage and I forgot to have PeerGuardian on. HBO contacted my ISP, Cox, and had my internet access disabled. I called Cox up and they had no clue why my internet was out, and after jumping through hoops with an idiot tech who kept wanting me to change router settings, a tech was scheduled to come out a week later, until a day before he was supposed to come they called me up and said they disabled my acccess. Idiots. I had a legit subscription to HBO, but I was penalized. I don't blame HBO because they had my IP address, not my full contact information, so I doubt they could know that I was indeed paying them, but it was still very annoying nonetheless.

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    8. Re:Apple - "whoops" by mclaincausey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I believe the argument is that the show in fact is not free, that it is payed for by advertisements, and that you "pay" to see the show by sitting through those advertisements.


      I don't have a problem with downloading and viewing sans commercials (do it myself with DVR and fast-forward, which is legal), I'm just letting you know what I think they would retort with. I happen to think that corporate-owned media is in violation of the spirit of my nation (USA). I believe the airwaves should belong to the public, and that the corporate/advertising model is fundamentally flawed. So even if such activities were illegal, I wouldn't look negatively upon them. Who needs more protection: the broadcaster or the consumer? I think the latter.

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    9. Re:Apple - "whoops" by HatchedEggs · · Score: 1

      It really depends on the situation Matthew. I do believe that content providers should make their content more accessible to their subscribers. On the other hand, I don't think it would be right to download music you don't have (unless the author has said that was fine), or a movie, etc. As far as content that comes from television, the lines in that have definitely become more blurred over time. Back in the day, you could tape something on your VCR. Now you can tape and store things easily with DVR and its really fine to do so. It is certainly borderline whether it is okay to download stuff from the internet and disperse it amongst your friends. I have preferred to stay away from that dilemna by just not doing it at all. If it were okay for instance to download a video and show it to your friends, then would you also think it is okay to lend software that you own to your friends? If you can lend it to your friends, what kind of step would it take to then put it up on the internet and do people a favor by allowing them to have access to it? Rights are an important part of society (well, in most countries), and ownership is an important part of that. I really don't have a solid answer to where exactly to draw the line in what is ethical or not. I just try and make it easier on myself by stearing clear from those things which are borderline.

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    10. Re:Apple - "whoops" by urbaneassault · · Score: 1

      Good god, what ISP do you have? That's awfully fast turn around from an ISP to pull access.

    11. Re:Apple - "whoops" by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

      I do think that the uploader of a recording of a copyrighted broadcast is in the wrong (see below). However I don't have much problem with the downloader of the recording (if that makes me a hypocrite, so be it). However, I do NOT agree with you that it's "Fair Use". "Fair Use" applies to the fair use of copyrighted material that you *already* obtained legitimately, so how can the downloader claim "Fair Use"? I see no way a downloader can claim "Fair Use" regarding something he hasn't yet obtained. So I don't see downloading copyrighted broadcasts as "Fair Use"; I just don't think of it as "bad" in a practical sense.

      As for the uploader:
      The uploader is definitely violating the copyright (at least for NFL games - "Reproduction and distribution of this broadcast without consent of the NFL and NBC is expressly prohibited - GRRRR!!!". ;-)). You have implicit consent to record a broadcast yourself, but not to distribute or rebroadcast the recording. And you are allowed to loan that one particular recording to a friend (i.e. real "borrowing", where one copy is being passed back and forth among friends without extra copies being made so that at any given time, only one person has a copy (that being the original recording)). That being said, I don't have a problem with people copying recorded broadcsts among friends, aquaintences, etc. It might be illegal, but such small scale sharing, I don't care about. Uploading it for millions of strangers to copy or even stream (which is like a rebroadcast) is a different matter. This why YouTube is having to guard against uploading of copyrighted content.

      Personally, I can see why uploading unedited material is illegal. But I would like the ability to upload edited copyright material (so one could upload short hilights, spoofs, mixes, etc (See Lessig's writings on the "mixing culture")). But it's tricky crafting a law prohibiting one while allowing the other.

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    12. Re:Apple - "whoops" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "paid" sigh

    13. Re:Apple - "whoops" by ppz003 · · Score: 1
      Slightly off topic, but I wonder how you feel about downloding content that was on broadcast TV. Take the show "Lost" for example. Lets say you missed it when it was broadcast. Now, you could have recorded it for free and stripped out the commercials. But you didn't for whatever reason. You could wait a year for the DVD to come out, but you don't want to wait. You could pay some "legit" online service for the convenience of downloading, but why should pay for something that was broadcast for free just yesterday? Is there anything wrong with downloading it or getting it from a friend?

      Just following your logic... Since almost all of pop music is just broadcasted at any point in time, do you think RIAA would mind if I just downloaded all of those songs (not that I'd want to) and play them at my leisure?
    14. Re:Apple - "whoops" by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      and that you "pay" to see the show by sitting through those advertisements.

      Hmm, I can't recall the last time I sat through an entire set of commercials without changing the channel to watch music videos or something else...

      Nay, I rarely, if ever watch a commercial, so what's the difference then?

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    15. Re:Apple - "whoops" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, his logic was that it was *recorded* from TV and made into a torrent. To make your analogy work, either the song would have to be recorded from a broadcast radio station and then made into an mp3, or the TV show put up online would have to be ripped from a DVD. I think the logic is as follows:

      Ripping from DVD/CD = Bad
      Recording from TV/Radio = Fair Use

      The above statements may not be legally correct, but I think it's the point of the orig post.

    16. Re:Apple - "whoops" by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1
      However, I do NOT agree with you that it's "Fair Use". "Fair Use" applies to the fair use of copyrighted material that you *already* obtained legitimately, so how can the downloader claim "Fair Use"? I see no way a downloader can claim "Fair Use" regarding something he hasn't yet obtained. So I don't see downloading copyrighted broadcasts as "Fair Use"; I just don't think of it as "bad" in a practical sense.
      That makes no sense to me. Copyright doesn't restrict *obtaining* it restricts _distributing_.

      Would you have a problem with the me going to a store and buying a DVD and then lending it to a friend? I believe most people would claim that is Fair-Use. Would you have a problem with a friend recording a TV show on his DVR and then lending me a copy to watch? I believe most people would claim that is Fair-Use. Now just extend it one step further. Someone records a TV show that aired on tv and puts it on the web for people who missed the episode. How is it any different if I get a copy of the TV show from someone I do not know vs. getting the copy myself or from a friend? What if the copy on the internet left in the commercials? Would that make it OK?

      The whole commercial argument to me is just FUD. At home I can (and almost always do) change the channels during commercials or I can get up and get a drink, etc. I pay for TV via my overpriced cable bill. I do watch some commercial. Some commercial are well done IMO. However most are just pure smut that tries to sell every product with sex. I have a wife and three small children. Don't put smut in your commercials and expect me to watch them. I can selectively pick the TV shows my family and I watch, however I have no control over what commercials come on. My only option is to change the channel during commercials.

      I personally don't see anything wrong with downloading a TV show that aired on TV. If the show aired on pay-per-view then maybe that should not be available online. Maybe people who copy and upload public TV shows should just leave the commercials in?

      The media companies want a pay per view/listen world. Every time you hear a song, you pay. Every time you view a movie/TV show you pay. Forget about being able to buy your favorite Star Wars movie and watch it several times. You will need to pay for each viewing. The media companies continue to dump millions into the coffers of our corrupted politicians. I wouldn't be surprised to see copyright law head this way over the next 10 years. Copyright has become too one-sided and is no longer a balanced deal between the people and the copyright owner. Until copyright is fair again, I couldn't care less about the media companies and their crying over "pirates".

      I recently seen a commercial from the media companies about "piracy". They showed the average-Joe media workers, the costume makers, set builders, etc. All of them were saying things like "piracy" takes away our health benefits and food from our families. What a load of bull. The real "pirates" are the middle men execs of the media companies who take the largest part of profits while contributing nothing to the creation process. Does anyone really believe that if _all_ copyright infringement stopped for the next year, and *profits* doubled, that the average-Joe worker in the media industry would see any of those extra profits? Nope. It would go to a small percentage at the "top". The best thing that could happen to the media industry is its collapse. Maybe then it would be rebuilt around small independent companies competing to make the best media content instead of a few big corps controlling it all.
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    17. Re:Apple - "whoops" by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1

      Your an idiot. No wonder you posted as an AC. Copyright infringement doesn't even come close to *murder*, you moron.

      There is nothing wrong with stripping out crappy DRM. It is your copy of the content. Do what you want with it. As long as the media companies continue to fight their customers and try to control what their legitimate customers can do, people will fight back. And I say long live the revolution :-)

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    18. Re:Apple - "whoops" by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I think the exact thing you mention is the same reason people don't give a damn about downloading music off the net. The RIAA's promotional tactics have really shot them in the foot. A lot of people already see music as free: it's on the friggin radio playing (usually) in it's entirety all day long, and before the net, a lot of people *GASP* recorded songs from the radio.

      Now the process is even easier, and the copies come out perfect every time, but those caveats aren't going to sway the opinion of many people. They've seen music as being free for years and years now, and a technology that simply makes things easier isn't going to change their mind.

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    19. Re:Apple - "whoops" by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....I believe the airwaves should belong to the public, and that the corporate/advertising model is fundamentally flawed......

      Maybe you would like the European Model (Germany) where everyone who owns a TV set (and next year a PC) must pay a monthly fee (tax). In the beginning of this fee system, that paid for the programming and there were NO commercials. Now they have commercials and you STILL pay the fee. I'd just as soon have the commercials and watch TV for "free". Besides, some of the commercials are more entertaining than the programs.

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    20. Re:Apple - "whoops" by mclaincausey · · Score: 1
      Well, since that isn't what I was endorsing, I don't think it's a valid critique. What this system sounds like is a corrupted public system.


      Even here in the US, the minority of people who get their news from public television are better informed than people who get their news from corporate media in any form: newspapers, TV, radio. It is a fundamental injustice to divvy up the airwaves and distribute them to a handful of powerful corporations who have vested interests in presenting a certain viewpoint.

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    21. Re:Apple - "whoops" by mclaincausey · · Score: 1

      The difference is that a percentage of people DO watch the commercials, or at least some of the brandings represented in the commercials seep into their subconscious. They wouldn't be putting commercials on TV if they didn't drive sales. Advertisers never expect ALL people to watch, much less, to be influenced by, their commercials. It's more of a scatter approach, like a shotgun instead of a sniper rifle, though they can focus by using gender- or culture-specific cues.

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    22. Re:Apple - "whoops" by misleb · · Score: 1
      Well, not that I agree with them, but probably their rationale is that you are paying for the convenience of downloading and watching the show in your own time


      What's not to agree with? That is a perfectly reasonable rationale. That's not to say that you must pay for the convenience. Just that you could if you wanted that particular convenience.

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    23. Re:Apple - "whoops" by misleb · · Score: 1
      Just following your logic... Since almost all of pop music is just broadcasted at any point in time, do you think RIAA would mind if I just downloaded all of those songs (not that I'd want to) and play them at my leisure?


      Of course they would "mind." They don't even want you to record it directly from teh radio. But that wasn't the quesiton. Just because the RIAA doesn't like something doesn't make it wrong.

      My feeling is that a publisher more of less forfeits exclusive ownership by the act of broadcasting. Sure, they still hold copyright which means that you can't claim it as your own. But once it is voluntarily broadcast, it is out there. They can't take it back or prevent you from making copies unless you sign an agreement that says you won't. At least in my own little moral world.

      -matthew

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    24. Re:Apple - "whoops" by drawfour · · Score: 1

      If you had a TiVo, you could recover the deleted show. It's a great feature.

    25. Re:Apple - "whoops" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could pay some "legit" online service for the convenience of downloading, but why should pay for something that was broadcast for free just yesterday?

      Because you can't afford a time machine.

  17. So basically... by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

    They're capturing the unencrypted and unencoded audio stream? That means that they're transcoding if they store it as an AAC file, right?

    1. Re:So basically... by SteveEast · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just the decrypted audio stream. No transcoding. AAC in, AAC out. No loss of fidelity.

    2. Re:So basically... by TortiusMaximus · · Score: 4, Informative

      iTunes unencrypts the m4p file to AAC, then transcodes the AAC file to .wav before sending to the sound card driver. QTFairUse6 just intercepts the AAC datastream before it gets transformed to .wav and writes it to disk.

  18. The Future Looks Dim with DRM by mitchell_pgh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really do fear that the future will be riddled with incompatibilities from DRM.

    I'm an "Apple Fanboy" but have limited my iTunes purchases to a few albums. CDs are still considerably more flexible regarding how and where I can use the music. Sure I own an iPod, but I also own a phone and PSP that can both play music. I also have a device that will play MP3s through my TV. None of those last three will play my FairPlay music. While I accept the limitations of the player, it's simply frustrating at times.

    Regarding the new Apple Movie Store, let me get this right... we pay $9.99 (to $14.99) for a movie... that's of a lower quality than DVD and can't really be moved outside of your local network (it's not like you can take it over to a friends house without unauthorizing their computer and authorizing their computer under your username). Just trying to explain this to my fiance made her eyes glaze over. Her exact words: "sounds compleicated... why not just go to the movie store."

    1. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by rthille · · Score: 1

      CD's are no more flexible than music purchased from the iTunes Media Store.

      That's right no more flexible!

      That's because you can create a CD from music purchased from the iTMS. What's different is cost and quality. I can buy a used CD that will rip just fine, often for less than the $10 for the album on iTunes. And the CD I can create from iTMS music is already lossfully compressed, so the quality is lower. However, it's still a 'redbook' CD and can be ripped and compressed.
      Alternatively, you can look at the DRM'd music as just having a size penalty. I can convert the DRM'd iTMS music to losslessly compressed (flac or ALE) format without DRM, and without _additional_ loss in quality.

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    2. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by humina · · Score: 1
      "None of those last three will play my FairPlay music. While I accept the limitations of the player, it's simply frustrating at times."

      Limitations of the player? I think it would be more accurate to describe it as a limitation of the music files. Those music files are designed to be as limited as possible so that they only work on ipods. If apple sold mp3s then people could buy other players. Apple doesn't let other companies decode their protected format in order to keep their monopoly.

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    3. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Here's a little exercise for you.

      Grab any MP3.

      Grab LAME.

      run 'lame --decode my.mp3 my.wav'

      now, run 'lame -b 320 -m s my.wav my-gen1.mp3'

      Rinse, repeat.

      After two generations, what do you notice that's different about the 4th or 5th generation file?

      There's a reason it's called 'lossy' compression. And no, you don't keep losing the same bits.

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    4. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can give you two reasons behind this move.

      1. Apple wants a box under your TV so that they can have total control of your "entertainment". How can they have control, if you can just burn a DVD and use your existing DVD-player?

      2. It's Apple... Apple Fanboys would buy an iChair from Apple, even if it had an anal probe that had to be inserted. Apple could then make extra money selling you iLubricant...

    5. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >CD's are no more flexible than music purchased from the iTunes Media Store.
      > What's different is cost and quality.

      That's a good way to think of it. If CD audio is quality A, iTMS is quality B1, your own MP3 rip from CD is quality B2, and an MP3 rip of the iTMS track is quality C...

      If you buy a CD, you get songs at quality A. You can
      1) play quality A songs in any CD player.
      2) play quality B2 songs in any MP3 player.

      If you buy from iTunes, you get songs at quality B1. You can
      1) play quality B1 songs in any CD player
      2) play quality B1 songs in an iPod
      3) play quality C songs in any MP3 player

      I've heard it said that quality B1 is slightly better than quality B2 (at same bitrate) because Apple goes to the original tapes instead of to the CD, AAC compresses better than MP3, or whatever. But anyway, you can do anything with what you get from iTunes that you can do with what you get on the CD, it's just that what you get from iTunes is B1 quality instead of A. So you decide whether it's worth getting quality B1 instead of A for the added convenience of getting single tracks for 99 cents, instant gratification, quick searching, etc. Most people get hung up on the fact that there is compression at all, but you're right that they should just think of iTMS songs as WAV/AIFFs that sound a little different (probably scarcely perceptibly) than what's on the CD - since it's trivial to turn them into such - and they'll be OK.

    6. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by rthille · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of generational loss issues. However that's not what my post was addressing. My post was addressing the _FLEXIBILITY_ of the format. Also, if you _read_ my post you'll see that I addressed the loss issue and the size issue.

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    7. Re:The Future Looks Dim with DRM by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

      " I also have a device that will play MP3s through my TV. None of those last three will play my FairPlay music."

      Why try to play the FairPlay music as is? Burn the files to CD, RIP. and you end up with UnDRM'd files in any format, all done with iTunes.

      "I also have a device that will play MP3s through my TV."

      Yes, it's called an iPod, you own one. Buy an AV cable and you can play your tunes and movies/TV shows whatever, via your iPod on your TV, either directly or through your receiver.

      "but I also own a phone and PSP that can both play music."

      But, you own an iPod, so why would you need to use those to play your music? FairPlay allows you to burn CDs and have your music on 5 computers. If you need more than this then... interesting...

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  19. Sounds familiar by killmenow · · Score: 1
    ...it just dumps a section of your computer memory into the disk.
    Hmm, isn't that precisely what the swapping mechanism of the OS itself does?
    1. Re:Sounds familiar by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1

      Not only that, it is what every program does when you do "File -> Save As".

      I wish I were a millionaire to try to fight something like this out in court. I think it would have a good chance of standing up. The DMCA prevents circumvention of copy protection mechanism. However, this technique doesn't do any circumvention at all. It just makes a copy of an unprotected work you paid for. Technically it is no different then having an unprotected work on your computer and doing CTRL+c CTRL+v to make a copy.

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  20. What the authors don't get by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that by stripping the DRM, they're actually supporting the iTunes model and therefore the record labels because people will continue to buy from them instead of switching to the non DRM competition.

    It's the same reason MS don't come down too hard on piracy of their OS and office suites. It actually supports their business.

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    1. Re:What the authors don't get by SensitiveMale · · Score: 1

      It's the same reason MS don't come down too hard on piracy of their OS and office suites. It actually supports their business.

      Apparently, you haven't heard of the WGA.

      A few years ago you were correct. MS didn't give a damn since it increased market share. Due to Vista being a clusterfuck and years late, ms needs to crack down on piracy in order to get their revenues back up.

    2. Re:What the authors don't get by SkipRosebaugh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      people will continue to buy from them instead of switching to the non DRM competition.

      And that'd be what, exactly? Emusic just has indie stuff, allofmp3.com is still in a legal grey area as far as most people are concerned, and has some other issues (audible pops in the music, incorrect id3 tags (Everything I get is tagged 'Blues' for genre, for instance), strangely limited selection for many artists; the list goes on). I'd like to know where there's a legal service of the same quality as iTunes, but without the DRM.

    3. Re:What the authors don't get by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Actually, iTunes DRM, while serving to pacify the RIAA, is in fact a mechanism to lock its users into using iPods - a far more desirable goal for Apple.

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  21. Never by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Simple answer. Also a simple reason.

    How many people use iTunes? How many of them know about and use the circumvention tool? No matter how many it may be, the answer is invariably "not all of them". I.e. some cannot copy their songs for friends. And those friends will thus also buy the songs.

    Copy protection does work. Not flawlessly, not against everyone, but at least SOME people will be kept from copying. Whether those people would have copied altogether and whether inconveniencing your paying customers is a viable business practice is a different question, though.

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  22. Why iTunes works by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iTunes works not because you can't copy the song or because of DRM. It works because of two simple reasons:

    1. price
    2. easy to use

    Fairly simple. 99 cents is a sum that convinces people it's more convenient to click and pay than to fire up a filesharing system or phone 'round with their friends. It downloads quickly and it's guaranteed to work with your iPod, no need to wonder what format or how to transfer it, the software is built to fit.

    That's what makes it popular and that's why people pay for it. I bet a sizable sum that most of them didn't even notice yet that it contains DRM. Simply because nobody bothered to try to copy it instead of simply clicking and paying the buck.

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    1. Re:Why iTunes works by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      Fairly simple. 99 cents is a sum that convinces people it's more convenient to click and pay

      it has to be said, though, that 99 cents for a whole DRM-free album (all of mp3 dot com) is an even better deal.

      yeah yeah, tell me about the russian mafia. we have our own mafia, its called the riaa. I see zero diff between them.

      oh, wait, there is a diff. the russian mob has never tried to take me (or my fellow americans) to court.

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    2. Re:Why iTunes works by AhtirTano · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bet a sizable sum that most of them didn't even notice yet that it contains DRM. Simply because nobody bothered to try to copy it instead of simply clicking and paying the buck.

      I can give anecdotal support to that (for whatever that's worth). Everyone in my work group uses iTunes to manage their music. Some of us use the iTunes store heavily, some of us only use it for free stuff. A couple weeks ago we decided to make a master playlist so all of our musical preferences could be equally represented in the shuffle. Some people were quite shocked and a little angry to find out that some of their favorite tracks could not be put in the mix. A couple people swore of iTunes forever. (Though I have real doubts that they'll stick to that.)

    3. Re:Why iTunes works by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Buying at allofmp3 is just plain dumb. It's equally legal to just download the whole junk for free.

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    4. Re:Why iTunes works by hkroger · · Score: 1
      oh, wait, there is a diff. the russian mob has never tried to take me (or my fellow americans) to court.

      The russian mafia doesn't need courts. If you have disagreements with them, then you end up six (or more) feet under. At least with RIAA you know what hit you...

    5. Re:Why iTunes works by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      the point IS - the russian mob (if that's really who owns allofmp3) is NOT hostile to their customers! if I'm buying from the .ru site, there is no issue and no 'six feet under'. not sure WHERE that came from! I'm not trying to go AROUND them; I'm simply buying FROM them.

      otoh, the riaa IS hostile to its very customer base.

      technically, even if I buy music from the riaa in the US - if I try to move that DRM-laden stuff to a non-DRM host or player, they CAN come after me. that's why I say they are STILL hostile to their own paying customers!

      finally, the russians do claim that they are sending a percent of the fees to the artists. I can trust that as much as I trust the riaa sending its 'cut' to its artists. the artists do see some money from the riaa, but I don't think they are getting anything close to a fair deal. in that respect, the riaa is also hostile to its SUPPLIER base, as well.

      I can't blame the russians for having a loophole in their laws that consider mp3s over the net to be equivalent to radio play. we have 'funky' laws here, too, which benefit the rich and not the poor. we are not any more moral than they are - or any less, when it comes down to it.

      at the end of the day, to me, its still about the product. I will always choose unencumbered files over 'locked' ones. so there it ends, for me.

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    6. Re:Why iTunes works by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. It only costs $1-3 or so for an album from allofmp3.com. You might be able to get that album on a P2P network, but it'll probably take forever to download, IF it even downloads completely without leaving out sections, and IF you can even find it in the first place (not all of us listen to the Top 40). With allofmp3, you can find exactly what you want and download it quickly and conveniently. For many people, that's probably worth the small cost.

    7. Re:Why iTunes works by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This is just a stupid thing to say. The Russian mafia isn't going to travel to the US to assassinate someone here. Besides, the other person replying to your post was right: the Russians aren't hostile to their own customers. They provide a quality product at a good price, and don't have any kind of record of treating their customers badly. The RIAA has a terrible record with their customers.

    8. Re:Why iTunes works by shark72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "finally, the russians do claim that they are sending a percent of the fees to the artists. I can trust that as much as I trust the riaa sending its 'cut' to its artists."

      The licensing fees that the Russian sites pay are estimated to be on the order of a few hundred bucks a month. Divide that by the tens of thousands of tracks they sell per month, and it's hundredths of a cent. However, the Russian sites refuse to divulge which tracks are being downloaded. Some indie artists have asked. They refuse to tell.

      By comparison, an iTunes sale will net the artist around $0.15. And, yes, iTunes reports and pays. Sell a thousand tracks a month and that's $150 per month, vs. zero for sales on the Russian sites.

      Now, you might think that $150 means nothing to your average recording artist, and that they can easily eat this loss. But the reality is that the typical recording artist has a standard of living that's much closer to your own (and quite likely worse) than the image you might have from watching MTV. If you would miss that $150 a month -- or, better put, if you would be angry if somebody cheated you out of $150 on the rationale that they thought you didn't need it -- then it's a safe assumption that your favorite artist would, too.

      Make no mistake -- it's perfectly acceptable to say something like "I don't give fuck all if an artist makes $15 or $150 or $1500 a month. Just give me all the DRM-free music I can handle, baby!". As the Electric Company pointed out, the most important person in the world is YOU, and not some random artist. Pirate all you want if that works with your moral code. But it is intellectually dishonest to state that you use a Russian site for your music because it is no worse a deal for the artist than buying it legitimately.

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    9. Re:Why iTunes works by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're going to go to Allofmp3.com, why not just pirate the damned music? It's the same thing, except cheaper for you.

    10. Re:Why iTunes works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can't necessarily get whatever you want at decent speeds, and encoded with LAME's --preset extreme :)

    11. Re:Why iTunes works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.mp3sugar.com/ recently raised their price for albums/CD 91%. From $0.99 to ~$1.87 I think. For an outfit that pretends to pay royalties that takes balls. Anyone have a cheaper alternative? Especially for Trance lovers? http://allofmp3.com/ is not on my top of the list.

    12. Re:Why iTunes works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By comparison, an iTunes sale will net the artist around $0.15.

      Assuming the artist didn't sign a stupid contract with their record company.

    13. Re:Why iTunes works by Elias+Ross · · Score: 1

      15 on the dollar is a rip off.

    14. Re:Why iTunes works by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the russians give me a choice of the ENCODING (sometimes I want direct .flac and sometimes 160k is good enough).

      they are also always complete. never a partial/fragment song.

      the mp3 id tags are accurate and pre-set for me.

      at a dollar an album, its not even worth hacking around with poor quality pirate rips and encodes.

      (any other questions?)

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    15. Re:Why iTunes works by ObjetDart · · Score: 1
      I'm with you. Allofmp3 != P2P.

      In addition to what you said, it's also safer. Unlike with the P2P pirate networks, (presumably) the RIAA cannot find you through allofmp3.com and sue you for copyright infringement.

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    16. Re:Why iTunes works by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      Unlike with the P2P pirate networks, (presumably) the RIAA cannot find you through allofmp3.com and sue you for copyright infringement.

      I didn't think of that, actually! very good point.

      you can try to 'ban' p2p all you want, but unless you ban every damned tcp/udp port possible, point to point direct traffic will never be trackable by riaa. even better: allofmp3 terminates in .ru. I'd like to see the riaa 'ask' the russian mob to turn over their web/ftp logs. ha! I'd buy a ticket to THAT event ;)

      "what happens in .ru, stays in .ru"

      heh.

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    17. Re:Why iTunes works by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      The reason the RIAA can track P2P is simple, there is no trust between peers.

      You can create a 100% safe/secure torrent simply by restricting access to known and trusted contacts. It's only once you share with strangers that you're risking the RIAA noticing.

      Of course if all you want is to trade with friends, why not just do that?

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  23. We just said NO to such entertainment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM has been a fantastic thing for me and my family. Just over a year ago, we were much like most other American families when it came to entertainment. We'd listen to a lot of music, and we'd rent and buy DVDs fairly frequently. We'd go to the cinema maybe twice a month. But that all changed quite rapidly.

    About two years ago we had gotten a new DVD/VCR/TV combo. Off we went to the local video store, to rent some videos for our daughters. One of the videos happened to be on a VHS tape. We went to play it, but it wouldn't play right in the new VCR. It'd had lines running through the pictures, for some reason. It worked fine in our older player, so the tape itself wasn't damaged. We tried with some of our home videos, that we had taken with our own VHS recorder years back. Again, the same problem. They'd work fine in our older player, but not in our newer one. The only VHS video tape I could get to play was one of the James Bond movies we had lying around.

    Several days later while talking to some coworkers, and they mentioned that it was likely Macrovision that was causing the problems. I wasn't aware of Macrovision at the time, so I asked them to explain it to me, and they did. Put simply, I was quite irrate after finding out that I couldn't play my home videos on my new VCR/DVD/TV combo because of this anti-piracy technology. We're not pirates. We weren't playing pirated media. We want nothing to do with that sort of junk.

    Later on, my oldest daughter received an iPod from a relative for Christmas, and so we tried out iTunes. Long story short, we were quite disappointed with the whole system, and all of the restrictions. It reminded us of the Macrovision hassles. And we just got to the point where we didn't want to use the products from companies that assumed us to be criminals.

    At that point, we decided as a family that we were not going to be victims any longer. We went to our local library, and each got library cards. Every week, we take out several books and read them instead of listening to music, watching TV, or going to the cinema. We have taken the money we saved, and invested it building a quality home book library. It's amazing how many great books you can get on sale at your local bookstore, especially when you don't spend money on mainstream Hollywood entertainment. Unlike DRM'ed media, we will be able to read these books decades from now. We will be able to let our grandchildren read and enjoy them, just as much as we can today. Just saying "No!" to this type of nonsense technology was the best thing we have done.

  24. No by goldcd · · Score: 1

    I'm supporting the digital distibution model. I buy m4p tracks and convert them to m4a.
    Record companies don't notice, they got their money and I'm not sharing the unprotected files.
    Only person that should care is Apple, as I can now shift from ipod when the whim takes me. Currently I'm not in a huge rush, I'm perfectly happy with it by and large, but I hated the feeling of being trapped.

    1. Re:No by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1
      Record companies don't notice, they got their money and I'm not sharing the unprotected files.


      Record companies did notice. The noticed that you bought a DRM-crippled format, which only serves to encourage them to add more DRM in the future. After all, it sells. Add more.
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  25. Nope, but Apple told you so before you bought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legitimate uses or not, Apple specifically states how these downloads can be used, and what restrictions are placed on them. If you buy music from iTunes expecting to be able to do the things you mentioned (copy them to a non-Apple MP3 player easily etc.) then you're a moron for not reading the terms of sale beforehand and you only have yourself to blame.

  26. What might have been.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It occurs to me that right now the industry is being reactionary because of what happened when people started ripping and sharing files illegally. If people hadn't started ripping and sending through Napster their whole CD collections, the industry wouldn't have thought of "DRM" and perhaps instead their efforts would be focused on accomdating 'fair use' Instead we now have an arms race of people crying 'fair use' against an industry trying to stop people from doing things that in no way approach the idea of 'fair use'

    1. Re:What might have been.... by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      I won't argue; that is a very valid point. However, DRM is the wrong route.

      The pirates are breaking the law - lawsuits are fine, government action is fine, but inhibiting non-theft useage is just wrong.

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  27. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you failed miserably

  28. Re:Nope, but Apple told you so before you bought.. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1
    Legitimate uses or not, Apple specifically states how these downloads can be used, and what restrictions are placed on them.
    You cannot be obliged to sacrifice your firstborn at midnight, even if there is a clause requiring you to do exactly that in a contract you sign. Some people think that quite a few rights, fair use among them, are important enough that they should fall under the same category (i.e. you cannot be deprived of them, wilfully or not). I'm not sure what the U.S. law says in that regard, but there are some jurisdictions where this is indeed the case.

    Besides, even when something is illegal, it does not mean that something is not a right thing to do.

  29. Why you are all wrong by rockhome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a lot of arguments about how bad DRM is and why it is stupid and how it restricts one's fair use.

    The arguments lack one perspective, that the purchase of music from iTunes, et. al., comes with certain conditions. There is no fundamental right to purchase anything free of conditions, so when music companies and online retailers decide that they will offer music that is ensconced in DRM, that is a business and marketing decision that they make, assuming that people will forgo some freedoms in order to have the convienience.

    The sort of "active" protest over DRM that is represented by tools to strip the DRM merely confirms that the market for the music exists and offers no reason for the music companies to move away from DRM. A better protest would be to boycott the entire DRM scheme altogether and only seek music from outlets that provide it free of DRM.

    Will you still be able to get all of the CCR and Radiohead from other, non-DRM outlets? No, but if you want to make a point with a corporation, you need to do it by removing yourself from the market. The problem that I see is that many people want to have it both ways; they want all of the convience of an iTunes or Rhapsody, or similar, none of the DRM and want all of this without any real sacrifice.

    A major problem today is the erroneous sense of entitlement that pervades so much. Too many people think that they are entitled to market for products that suits their needs and are willing to resort to unethical, if not blatantly criminal, activity to create that market. The truth is that the online music market will only change when providers are losing money because their markets have shrunk and they must retool the offering. AS long as people buy the DRM'ed music, that won't happen.

    1. Re:Why you are all wrong by ambrosen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, the European Comission does consider that there is a right to purchase things free of conditions, and in the case of any transaction that looks like a sale, it is a sale, and the constraints the seller can put on the purchaser are very limited.

    2. Re:Why you are all wrong by Yetihehe · · Score: 1
      A better protest would be to boycott the entire DRM scheme altogether and only seek music from outlets that provide it free of DRM.
      In a country, where more people vote in American Idol than USA Elections? You can say in other countries it's similar (I live in Poland where in last elections only slightly over 50% people voted), but I think USA people are the most influential here.
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    3. Re:Why you are all wrong by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      "The sort of "active" protest over DRM that is represented by tools to strip the DRM merely confirms that the market for the music exists and offers no reason for the music companies to move away from DRM. A better protest would be to boycott the entire DRM scheme altogether and only seek music from outlets that provide it free of DRM."

      Ok. *goes to bittorrent for his music from now on* Well, that's saving me money.

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    4. Re:Why you are all wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CCR (as in folgerty) is available on Emusic, no DRM (variable mp3 format), so yea you can get CCR from non DRM outlets.

    5. Re:Why you are all wrong by ClamIAm · · Score: 1
      There is no fundamental right to purchase anything free of conditions,

      I sincerely hope that you are not an American. Why? Well, it sounds like you haven't read a little document that was rather important:

      When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

      We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. ...


      Even if you are not an American, many other countries have laws that stem from this idea. For example, another poster mentioned the EU.
    6. Re:Why you are all wrong by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I disagree and I think in general most areas of property law do as well. The law just has not quite established whats what in the DRM situation and in terms of digital media in general.

      If I buy something from you: You no longer own it. You no longer have any right to dictate how I use it. This is the definition of buy. I give you something in exchange for something our agreement covers the transaction only after that its complete.

      We need to stop mudding up the whole debate with out poor use of language.

      I would argue most software/music/digital is not purchased but leased or rented for an indefinate period. Almost all typically come with restrictions on your use.

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    7. Re:Why you are all wrong by Rimbo · · Score: 1

      Well, you're perfectly welcome to purchase my CD for just $2.38 more than the cost of the same thing with DRM and gain the benefits.

      Or you can just use QTFairPlay and strip the DRM off once you've bought the iTunes version.

      I don't care either way.

      Enjoy the music!

    8. Re:Why you are all wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The arguments lack one perspective, that the purchase of music from iTunes, et. al., comes with certain conditions

      And those conditions can simply be ignored, as reality demonstrates. The buyer just has to start placing his own interests above those of others (i.e. quit being stupid).

      There is no fundamental right to purchase anything free of conditions

      There doesn't need to be. There's no fundamental right that guarantees an ability to enforce any such conditions.

    9. Re:Why you are all wrong by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      First year law student here, so IANAL (yet). However, the Uniform Commercial Code in the US does make certain stipulations about contracts; chiefly among them is that a contract that makes some super-ridiculous (called "unconscionable") assertion upon one party may be struck down as an invalid contract because of the unconscionability of it. I am of the opinion that signing away one's rights to fair use is enough to make the contract invalid. Of course, I doubt courts would see it my way, but if enough people believe this, perhaps the culture in the US will change enough that courts will start to agree to this line of argument (after all, courts are subject to the sway of public opinion).

      For example, see UCC 2-302 - Unconscionable Contract or Clause
      Definition of "unconscionable"

  30. Troubled times. by DoctorDyna · · Score: 1

    I think it's a symptom of technology, personally. We love technology as good little consumer whores. Well, just so happens, so do the greedy bastards at record labels. Just as much as we like to use technology, in increasingly grave amounts to make our lives easier, faster, dumber, cheaper, smoother, so do they. Unfortunatly, it's become far too easy for them to screw with our lives as far as consumption of entertainment goes.

    Perhaps it's time for them to be taught that their product is simply not as valuable as they think it is and try to sue us into thinking it is as well.

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    1. Re:Troubled times. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "We love technology as good little consumer whores."

      Got a mouse in your pocket?

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  31. I'm obviously not a Mac user.... by xoundmind · · Score: 1

    I read that headline and thought that Trolltech had adjusted the QT license in response to the new iTunes.

    1. Re:I'm obviously not a Mac user.... by RPoet · · Score: 1

      Qt is spelled "Qt", not "QT".

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    2. Re:I'm obviously not a Mac user.... by xoundmind · · Score: 1

      I'm not a KDE user either, but perhaps you would like to inspect my pronunciation of Gnome via mp3?
      I'll supply as is required.

    3. Re:I'm obviously not a Mac user.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was trying to tell you that Qt is not the same as QT (QuickTime). The QT in the application name is a reference to the latter.

  32. Re:Nope, but Apple told you so before you bought.. by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 1

    Besides, even when something is illegal, it does not mean that something is not a right thing to do.

    amen brother, lets go to boston and throw a bunch of AAC's in the harbor!!

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  33. Re:Nope, but Apple told you so before you bought.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You cannot be obliged to sacrifice your firstborn at midnight
    Nor is Apple obligated to support anything other then what they want to support with their service and software.
  34. DRM is not about copy protection by Freestyling · · Score: 1

    As I see it (in my own cynical way) DRM is not really about copy protection, it is for profit protection. Many people absolutely love itunes, the interface is highly intuitive and it is a nice, easy, hassle free way to buy music. The caveat is of course you have to buy one of Apple's players to use it, and of course when your player dies, or when new content comes out your player can't handle you have to use - another apple branded player!!

    It boils down to the fact that once you have bought into Apple's DRM you are stuck having to either stick with apple branded players for the rest of your life, or resort to something like hymn or QTFairPlay to listen to your music, and end up breaking laws. Plus of course most people won't bother with the hassle of decrypting music and just buy another ipod anyway. Either way the upshot is, the industry wins the customer loses.

  35. DRM for Apple is about hardware by Aesiq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple does not care one way or another about how the RIAA/MPAA view DRM as long as they can get content. Apple wants to keep DRM so you have to buy iPods. If you could easily strip iTunes DRM and put it on any player then Apple's bread and butter high margin hardware business has to deal with much more competition (their margins on media sales are garbage). Right now if you like iTunes - you either only listen/view on your Mac/PC or iPod. Apple owns the DAP market and has a small though not completely insignificant workstation and laptop market percentage.

    1. Re:DRM for Apple is about hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is easy to strip iTunes DRM. Just burn the music onto a CD. You can do this ten times from a playlist before you have to change the list.

      Take one of the up to ten CDs you have burned, and rip it. Presto, DRM gone.

      Oh, you want the original sound quality? Oh, that...

  36. QTFairUse6/myFairTunes does NOT break DRM! by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, but QTFairUse6 does NOT break DRM in the same way that Hymn, et. al. do it. Hymn breaks DRM by getting the keys and decrypting the files itself. What QTFairUse does is... use iTunes to break it (relying on the fact that you have ciphertext, a key, and a black box (iTunes) that can take those two inputs and produce unencrypted audio).

    If you examine the source code, you'll see why it hasn't been ported to Mac - it isn't portable. It relies on the fact that for a brief period of time, there will be a frame of decrypted AAC data. It first attaches to the iTunes process, then it attaches a breakpoint inside of iTunes. You play your audio, and when iTunes finishes decrypting a frame of m4p, it hits the breakpoint. Then QTFairUse, acting as a debugger, grabs a copy of the AAC memory buffer, and writes it to a file, which is (surprise) unencrypted. (This was how the first iTunes hack was done, too).

    What QTFairUse6/MyFairTunes does is make it entirely automated by faking out a debugger. If you knew where to set the breakpoint, and where in memory to find the unencrypted data, you could basically do the same thing with your bog-standard VisualStudio debugger (albeit more slowly).

    The iTMS 6 format wasn't broken, just an alternate attack vector was found. And it might be more difficult in OS X, since a process can prevent itself from being debugged by setting permissions to do so.

    That's why QTFairUse is version specific - it needs to know where to find the memory buffer, and where to set the breakpoint.

    1. Re:QTFairUse6/myFairTunes does NOT break DRM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this sounds like something the likes of palladium would take care of.

    2. Re:QTFairUse6/myFairTunes does NOT break DRM! by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Actually. it's a matter of interpretation whether it violates the DMCA or not. At one extreme we have products that use encryption keys obtained without authorization and by reverse engineering the process. At the other end of the spectrum is simply recording the output of your speakers.

      Most people will agree that using the keys should be considered "breaking the encryption" and recording the sound should not. But, where is the line? If you picked up the analog signal to the speakers with an RCA cable, most people would still stay that it's not breaking the encryption. However, one approach is to write a sound driver that records the digital data stream. Another is to grab the data inside the application like QTFairUse. The next level deeper would be to use portions of the ligitimate application, but control them from an application that ignores the DRM restrictions.

      The funny part is that the recording industry was fine with some level of fair use as long as it was cumbersome. As soon as it was easy, they freaked out. The law shouldn't gaurantee them a market, but that's what they are trying to do. 99% of the money is in the distribution business. Until the late 1990's, it was difficult to succeed in the music distribution business and those who did got rich. When Napster was unveiled, suddenly it was easy to be a music distributor. Capitalism should have dictated that people who distributed music for a living should have gone broke. Good thing they made it a law that any mechanism that makes it easy to be a music distributor is now illegal.

      That's the spirit that the DMCA was written in and that's how it will be interpreted. Since QTFairUse is easy, it is "circumvention" and thereforew illegal.

      My opinion is that we shouldn't be building solutions that solve our short term problems like QTFairUse does. Instead, we should be building application that shine a spotlight on how insane these laws are. Anything that blurs the line enough to get the courts to really think about the issue is good. For example, a P2P client that doesn't exchange actual copyrighted music, but instead exchanges many very small snippets of public domain music along with instructions on how to piece them together to get the overall sound you want. Maybe add to that a small patch file to change the critical section that are difficult to get right. Or maybe break a song into 100 "layers". Each layer is meaningless on its own, but if all 100 are XORed with each other you get the right end product. No client would ever offer more than 10 layers of the same original. Just to be fun, make a few of the layers public domain text, like Shakespeare. To be really fun, require that the Shakespeare layer be applied last. That way you have total garbage until the last layer and the one magic piece you add to it is obviously not the property of the RIAA's clients.

    3. Re:QTFairUse6/myFairTunes does NOT break DRM! by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      Your post got me thinking: does this even break the DRM? I mean, putting a microphone next to a speaker and recording the output isn't breaking DRM, and this is just a digital version of this: iTunes is doing the decrypting. The metaphorical microphone is QTFairUse, and the metaphorical speaker is the memory address of the decrypted AAC frame(s). This may not even violate the DMCA, as it does not seem to actually be a direct circumvention of DRM any more than recording the output from my speakers is!

  37. Ah... by LKM · · Score: 1

    Thanks, that explains it.

  38. DRM by justaj · · Score: 1

    To say the DRM has no legitimacy is just plain stupid. Reminds me of the similarly moronic 'All music should be free' line around in the Napster days. Apple was the first company to give us a decent model of legal music downloads. I'm happy that Apple instituted something that prevents(or at least slows down) music from appearing on P2P networks. People have a right to be paid for their work. I understand that people want to put their music on whatever they want and they should be able to. But technically iTunes isn't selling you that. You are allowed to authorize 5 computers, burn it 5 times (or something like that), and put it any iPod you want. They tell you that. None of that is hard to read fine print. If you don't like it don't buy it from them. DRM, or something like it, is a necessity in preventing the average person from being able to share their whole library with the world. Anyone here could get around it. Many outside of slashdot cyberwalls can't. At least not without effort or help. DRM isnt perfect and apple should improve it. But eliminating it completely just isnt the answer.

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    1. Re:DRM by 787style · · Score: 1

      In addition, after you burn a song to CD can't it be ripped back DRM free?

    2. Re:DRM by edbob · · Score: 1

      DRM may be legitimate, but it is still stupid and should be eliminated. If one were to buy content from an online store (like iTunes), why would one want to put the content on a file-sharing network in the first place? I realize that there may be a few people who would do it because they can, but these are probably in the minority. After all, if I paid for something why should you get it for free? A better system might consist of uniquely watermarking the file with the purchaser's details. If the content finds its way to a file-sharing network, it would be easy to track down the person responsible and cut off his/her access to the online store. I don't currently subscribe to any online content provider because of the DRM.

    3. Re:DRM by justaj · · Score: 1

      "If one were to buy content from an online store (like iTunes), why would one want to put the content on a file-sharing network in the first place?"
      Are you kidding? Napster didn't get popular because a 'minority' were sharing their unprotected music. Everyone and their mom had their entire libraries shared. While I think record labels are greedy and fairly unscrupulous they still have a right to have their product protected in some way. Leaving the music completely unprotected obviously didn't work and I seriously doubt the populace magically gained ethics in the last 5 years.
      Watermarking the file is a good idea. However what if someone gets a hold of a file and cracks the watermark? What information would they have about that person?
      In any case as the previous commenter mentioned the DRM can be removed by the burn-rip method which Apple in fact tells you.
      Wait until the government discovers newsgroups...

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    4. Re:DRM by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      DRM has no legitimacy in a world where a Better Idea (tm) exists. For example, why not steganographically embed the buyers encrypted information in each and every downloded file? If found in the wild, the buyer would be culpable. Meanwhile, he can format shift as much as he feels is necessary.

      So, yeah. elimination of DRM *IS* the answer. Just no one at Apple or in the content industry seems to be asking the question.

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    5. Re:DRM by justaj · · Score: 1

      You said it right there. Where a better idea exists. I haven't heard of one yet.
      If the file was found in the wild not only Apple would know but so would everyone else. It wouldnt take long for someone to get that person's private information. Apple would have another lawsuit on their hands.
      Your method also doesn't do anything to actually prevent distribution of it. You could still give it to 50 of your closest friends. Which in some ways defeats the point of protecting it in the first place.

      DRM isn't the answer in its current form, but it's still better than some of the half baked ideas out there.

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    6. Re:DRM by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point. DRM is not there to make sure the artists get paid. As the grandparent said, that is the responsibily of the courts and the police, not Apple. If the courts can find out who leaked the music, the proper person can be held accountable. It's very easy to do this in a way that protects privacy. Just use transaction IDs and keep the details at the store until it needs to go to court.

      DRM exists to perpetuate a business model. 20 years ago it was hard to be a distributor. Content producers had little leverage and were sunk without a good distributor. So, content producers grudgingly signed contracts that allowed exclusive distribution by one distributor and gave that distributor most of the money.

      Today, it is much easier to be a distributor. You still can't get your stuff on the Best Buy and WalMart shelves without a being big distributor, but you can get rich. Well, at least you should be able to. Here is where DRM comes in. DRM creates the lock-in that the distrubutors need. Arbitrary rules can now be put in place to make sure that you go through iTunes and buy iPods, which in turn means you'll buy only content distributed by Sony, BMG, and a handful of others. Now, the big distributors get to keep the near monopoly they've always had and continue to rape and pillage the artists.

      See, DRM is bad for artists in the long run, but is being sold as good for them. Guys like Metallica that no longer really need a distributor get sweet deals and don't stand gain much if the distribution cartels are broken up. So, Metallica only sees the bad end of the spectrum, the potential for copyright violation. Thousands of smaller artists would get a far better deal if there was more competition among distributors and they had the power to get their stuff out there without signing an exclusive contract. Sure, there would be more illegal file sharing, but the American public has always shown that they will throw their disposable income at whatever they like listening to.

    7. Re:DRM by justaj · · Score: 1

      I do not agree at all. The fact of the matter is independent artists now have a distributor that requires no exclusivity and does not sensor their music. They are free to sell it as is. As of right now you are not able to go to Walmart and buy every newly released album.(or movie for that matter) There are certain standards that the music must meet in order for them to even carry the album.

      I dont dispute the fact that Apple created the DRM partially in order to be able to lock it with the iPod. It was an enforcer of their business model, like you said. However, they also realized that no one would buy an mp3 player that couldnt play music from someone other than themselves. So they added the ability to accept MP3s. You don't ever have to visit the iTunes store to use your iPod. This fact alone is should be enough to appease most. It's not, but it should be.

      While it may just be a biproduct, DRM does make sure artists get paid because it does make mass distribution more of a chore. As i wrote before, it can/should definitely be improved upon. Transaction ID's are all well and good but again this doesnt prevent you from giving it to all of your friends.

      The fact is Napster showed us that if people can steal music, they will. The only reason it closed was because the government started arresting its users. Do you honestly think that any music service would be successful today (including iTunes) if the government hadn't stepped in?

      Jump on to any Gnutella client or music newsgroup, and look up any artist and guaranteed you will find some of their work. If it was downloaded 10 times, the artist got paid once. If it was downloaded 10000 times the artist got paid once. How is this fair? How can something that at the very least tries to stop people from doing this a completely bad thing? You are just looking at things in a black and white way.

      For the final time DRM is not the total answer. However any future technology should include barriers to distribution. I absolutely believe that.

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    8. Re:DRM by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      "You don't ever have to visit the iTunes store to use your iPod"

      Ok, that's sussed. So what do I have to do to use iTunes with my Dell Axim?

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    9. Re:DRM by justaj · · Score: 1

      Click your heels together three times

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    10. Re:DRM by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Meh. I'd prefer to use the Python based Fair Use tool found referenced in this article.

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  39. Props by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, mad props...

  40. In Other News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot crowd unanimous in praise of the GPL. All proclaim that the GPL is still the best thing ever to hit copyright law. By protecting the rights of content producers, the GPL ensures that people will still put time and effort into creating products that people want to use. "Hooray for the noble programmers!"

    In a related story:
    Slashdot crowd unanimous in condemnation of Apple's DRM. FairPlay seen as a way to punish people from lawfully breaking the copyright laws that keep them from distributing music for free. Musicians' rights seen as quaint and outdated. "Hooray for the noble hackers!"

    1. Re:In Other News by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      The GPL uses copyright law to prevent greed. DRM uses copyright law to force greed. See the difference?

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  41. No Right for DRM infinite copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct, there is no right for a consumer to purchase free of conditions.

    But the seller is also not free to restrict purchaces in ways that are illegal or immoral.

    DRM attempts to enforce an infinite copyright, and will eventually lead to lost information and art, when the encrypted information is no longer profitable.

    "A major problem today is the erroneous sense of entitlement"

    And of course you should view this statement for companies as well.

    A company is not entitled to hoard infinite publishing rights for no other purpose than profit.

    Consumers need protection from corporations, not usually the other way around. The trend to view corporate rights to profit above individual rights in dangerous.

    "Fascism ought to more properly be called corporatism since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

  42. Yes, you can. by msauve · · Score: 1

    Use iTunes to make an audio CD, then rip that CD to whatever form of digitized audio you want. You'll also have created a backup in the process. If you don't want any quality loss, rip to PCM or lossless format. If you're willing to sacrifice a decrease in quality similar to when you rip standard CDs, then rip to MP3.

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    1. Re:Yes, you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed the "without hassle" part. Why should I have to waste a CD and the time it takes to burn it? If I want a backup, I'll just copy it over to a backup hard drive.

  43. Is this necessary? by stapedium · · Score: 1

    Can someone please explain why this is necessary? Can't you still just play the song with itunes and record from the wav source with a tool like Audacity?
    Maybe I'm missing something.

    1. Re:Is this necessary? by frogstar_robot · · Score: 1

      Your method decompresses lossy audio then (more than likely) recompresses it with a lossy codec. This tool strips the DRM off the original AAC file.

  44. iTunes works but NOT if you want to podcast... by crovira · · Score: 1

    Even if you have the artists' permission in writing or by email.

    iTunes is an end-consumer content delivery platform. Its not meant for people who want to do anything beyond just playing the piece.

    I podcast so the contents is useless to me.

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  45. Re:Nope, but Apple told you so before you bought.. by Fordiman · · Score: 1

    Nah. I think you're the moron for adhering to anything that restricts fair and honest use of something you've paid for. Me? TOS or not, if I'm gonna use iTunes (which I started doing since QTFairUse6 came out), I'm going to do it freely.

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  46. You were distributing, that's illegal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well, if you were using BitTorrent you were also uploading to others, not all of whom necessarily have paid for that episode. That's pretty clearly against the fundamental tenet of copyright law - you don't have the right to distribute that episode (this applies even if you do have the right to download it). So, cutting off your internet access was pretty reasonable in that case.

    P.S. Don't take this as an indication that I personally approve of copyright laws. Sneakernet FTW!

  47. What I can't figure out... by Captain+Rotundo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    is why won't iTunes let you copy music from the iPod to the computer? - It's insane!

    I have had an iPod for quite a while now, and have always used gtkpod. I wanted to purchase an audiobook s oI installed iTunes to get the audible file onto my iPod. Well since I now had it, although on a windows prtition I never use, I fiugred I would give it a shot, maybe buy a game and take advantage of the album art feature for the albums I dont have art for, well lo and behold I can't seem to population my iTunes library from my iPod.... the most assinine thing I've ever seen, its a basic feature why wont it do it?

    1. Re:What I can't figure out... by ajdowntown · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, looks like someone was not paying attention too well to the keynote yesterday. With itunes 7, you can now sync your ipod with all authorized computers, meaning, itunes will now grab all the songs off of the ipod and copy them over to the computer, across multiple machines. Again, the caveat is that each machine (mac or pc) needs to be running itunes 7, and needs to be authorized with an apple account...

    2. Re:What I can't figure out... by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      why won't iTunes let you copy music from the iPod to the computer? - It's insane!

      It's not insane, but it is a bit annoying. Luckily, the music on an iPod is unencrypted, and simply arranged openly as files on its file system. Mount the device, read the files, simple as that. Or use one of any number of simple utilities that do that for you. Job jobbed.

  48. But their music still SUCKS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are not buying that audio excrement because they are stealing the music,
    they don't buy most new music because it sucks.

    They can keep adding more DRM to their product,
    what the market want is added talent!

  49. No... by msauve · · Score: 1

    I didn't miss the "without hassle" part. I made the obviously incorrect assumption that since you post to /., you're competent and proficient in such things. Maybe you can have your mommy do it for you.

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  50. From yet another Apple DRM thread some time ago by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 0

    To quote myself:

    DRM, lack of WMA compatiblity, ITMS files can't play on other players, "this here no name plastic player from China is cheaper and plays Ogg and... yadda yadda yadda".

    OK, sit down, shut up and pay attention.

    The overwhelming majority of people who buy iPods and KEEP buying iPods don't care a fat rat's ass about ANY OF THAT. Not one little bit do they care.

    They want something that simply works. They don't care about ITMS DRM. They DO care about the fact that they can get music they want right now for a modest sum. They know they'll get a quality file.

    They buy iPods because the interface is simple and it works well.

    They buy iPods because they are small, sturdy and hold an amazing amount of music.

    The overwhelming majority of the buying public is who Apple is targetting the iPod line to.

    Not you smelly Linux hippies with your handmade machines and having to config it. And then you have to write some shell scripts. Update your RPMs. You have to partition your drives. And patch your kernel. Compile your binaries. Check your version dependencies. Probably do that once or twice.

    Just to install an MP3 player. (and after all that, you STILL won't have more friends!)

    You are not the consumer Apple cares about.

    You have never been the consumer Apple cares about.

    You will never be the consumer Apple cares about.


    Get over yourself and welcome your new, Jonathan Ive designed, overlords!

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    1. Re:From yet another Apple DRM thread some time ago by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      DRM isn't really about directly screwing the consumers. It's no surprise that most iTunes customers aren't inconvenienced that much. But, you should be pissed that you are pawns in a game to screw the artists.

      You are being gently but persistently rounded up into a group that works best if you buy iPods, use iTunes, and most importantly, buy content from the big distributors that sell via iTunes. If this were ever to not become the case, then the artists might actually get anough clout to get a decent contract.

      No one is doing anything to outright prevent you from straying form the group, but it's happening. You have less choices of players due to DRM (there are ways around, but it's easiest if you stay in the group). You have less choices of download stores because of DRM (try using the Windows friendly services with your iPod). Also, anyone that makes software that makes it easy to stray from the group is punished as a violator of the DMCA, due to the need to remove the DRM.

      Sure there are alternatives, but they are really just one big alternative group being hearded together with WMA based DRM.


      Your apathy towards DRM isn't all that different than an apathy toward a company that uses child labor to bring you good prices. Only in this case, you're helping forge the chains that bind the artists of the world. In the clothing industry, your argument would amount to "XYZ company gives us the styles we want at the prices we want. Why all this talk about Malaysian children working 16 hours a day?"
      BTW, iPods would still be the wonderful devices you claim they are without DRM. DRM adds nothing. So why should we put up with any amount of DRM on our devices?

    2. Re:From yet another Apple DRM thread some time ago by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      You make valid points. And you are inferring what I never said nor implied.

      I said exactly DICK about any of the topics you mentioned. Artists getting screwed by the record companies. Mate, that's been happening since the days of Edison max cylinders. If musicians are getting themselves screwed by a record company, here in the 21st Century, fuck 'em! It's their own fault. Change companies when the contract is up and learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of every sodding musician who got screwed by a record company.

      Why the hell would I want to use a Windows music service? iTunes PWN3D the digital music industry the day it became the iTunes Music Store.

      Some of us, get our music legally from sources other than iTunes. We still put those files on our iPods, along with the files we buy from the iTunes store. And in my own case, every file I buy from ITMS gets run through Audio Hijack Pro and converted to an MP3 file. No hassle at all.

      To reitierate: The vast majority of iPod users and repeat buyers DO NOT CARE! They don't give a fat rat's ass about DRM or anything else you mentioned.

      They want an easy to use service. ITMS is that easy to use service.

      You are not the target audience for ITMS.

      You have never been the target audience for ITMS.

      You will never be target audience for ITMS.


      Get over yourself and welcome you new, Jonathan Ive designed, overlord!

      Or use that POS, OEM plastic player from China that plays WMA and Ogg, like the other few thousand people that use them.

      Sorry about how your Concern Beam is no match for my unbreechable Barrier of Cynical Reality.

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  51. By the way... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

    ...no need to burn iTunes purchased music to a CD and then rip to MP3. (if you're using OS X, that is.)

    Audio Hijack intercepts the audio stream, stores it, and then gives you the option to safe it in diverse formats, including MP3 or a lossless format.

    It also does the same thing with any streaming audio source, as well. Real, WMA, et al.

    US$16.00. Worth every cent, in my opinion.

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    1. Re:By the way... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      Whoops! The save as MP3, et al functions are in Audio Hijack Pro.

      The pro version is US$30 or so, as I recall.

      Still worth it, though, if for no other reason than it's still so much faster than burning and ripping to/from a CD.

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    2. Re:By the way... by ibennetch · · Score: 1
      Audio Hijack intercepts the audio stream, stores it, and then gives you the option to safe it in diverse formats, including MP3 or a lossless format.
      But even if you save the Audio Hijack file losslessly, you still only end up with the quality of the origial .aac iTunes Music Store file (while wasting a bunch of space). Saving it as an .mp3 results in re-compressing an already compressed file which will probably give noticable artifacts.

      The beauty of QTFairUse is that it grabs the compressed .aac file and re-writes it as the same file, only un-encrypted -- so you maintain the compressed file size while not loosing any more quality.

      I'm not nitpicking you -- your post is accurate and you may already understand this, but I'm posting for others who might not realize...
    3. Re:By the way... by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      I quite understand what you're saying, and I agree with you 100%. That's an important clarification and something that I should have noted. Thanks!

      I will say, though, that it's likely that most files via the iTMS are either played on an iPod or via the computer speakers, any signal degredation is not likely to be noticed.

      Certainly I can't tell with my somewhat bad hearing.

      If/when QTFairUse is ported to OS X and can strip FairPlay faster than it does now, preferably as a batch function, I'll likely use it in place of AudioHijack.

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  52. Re:Cracking because we care. by k2r · · Score: 1

    > Kein danke.

    {\nitpick Actually this means Not a thank you!. You likely wanted to say Nein, Danke! (No, thanks!).}

  53. The free iTunes songs this week is called... by bwooster0 · · Score: 1

    "Yours to Keep"

    How ironic!

  54. iPod. by Xenex · · Score: 1
    "... can't really be moved outside of your local network (it's not like you can take it over to a friends house without unauthorizing their computer and authorizing their computer under your username)."
    Apple have this neat little device for taking the movie with you. You may have heard of it. It even connects to your friend's TV!
  55. wouldn't burn and rip be faster? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1
    This thing runs in real-time. Wouldn't it be faster to just burn an audio CD-R and then rip it? Say you have 60 minutes of music. Burn at 20x, rip at 20x, and we are talking maybe 10 minutes (I threw in some time for overhead). That's a lot better than 60 minutes!

    Quality would be the same, too.

  56. Absolutely disagree by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    If you think the 2-minute snippets of news you get from PBS (or any other TV news service) are more informative than a multiple-page article in almost any major print publication, that's just nuts. Despite disclaimers to the contrary, public broadcasters are just as much in the "business" of drawing eyeballs as commercial stations, with the concomitant bias towards cheap sound-bites, pandering to the bread-and-circuses crowd, and pop-psych "analysis." They may not be drawing money from traditional advertisers, but their revenue stream is at least partly based on market share; how many people are listening during the next funding drive and if big sponsors think getting their name attached to a show is likely to help their public image.

    At no time has television news (of any kind-public or private) appeared interested in or able to expend the time necessary to give background information and in-depth coverage of complex issues. This is especially true when it comes to situations where there's some horrific video to show. You'll find the PBS cameras pan the carnage just as lovingly as the cameras of "commercial" organizations, with the same cliched phrases and the same trite wrap-up.

    While not every printed news source does better (USA Today is like a printed version of TV news) far and away the majority regularly bring a depth and breadth to news that television news just doesn't match. In my opinion, this is likely to continue to be the case for the foreseeable future.

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  57. Re:Nope, but Apple told you so before you bought.. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1
    Nor is Apple obligated to support anything other then what they want to support with their service and software.
    Certainly (though again that depends on the laws of a specific country). Yet again, even if what they do is completely legal, it can nonetheless be wrong.
  58. So stick with iTunes and DRM by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    What I'm saying is. Tough cheese.

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  59. You're absolutely wrong by mclaincausey · · Score: 1
    First of all, you didn't substantiate a thing you just said.

    Secondly, obviously you've never seen programs like Frontline, the McLaughlin Group, or Now, or seen the surveys about how well-informed people who take in different sorts of media are. Take, for example, this survey, which found that viewers of PBS and/or listeners of NPR are less than half as likely as readers of print media to have misconceptions about the Iraq war (and less than a quarter as likely as FoxNews viewers). Newspapers and magazines are usually corporate media, and as Goebbels said, a great propaganda news organization should give viewers less and less of a sense of what is going on the more they engage it. I can't tell you how many times I've seen absolute lies spawned or repeated by supposedly progressive and reliable newspapers such as the NY Times and the Washington Post (to which I subscribe). Occasionally, a retraction is later issued, but by then the damage is done. I also can't tell you how many times those newspapers have been complicit in burying or not following up on important stories.

    Public broadcasting is only as good as the government will allow it and fund it to be, so it isn't perfect--but it's a damn sight better than any corporate media, print or otherwise, in the US.

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