I'd need to see someone other than a Mac Genius (who doesn't really know much from the higher-ups who would actually know if this was a known issue) saying that this was a known issue before I'd buy that. A bunch of things can screw up your OS, but why do they hit the news page, hmm? We have maybe half a dozen scattered reports. That doesn't add up to much at all. And your quote from Jobs is from a long, long time ago. Considering how Mac sales are up, I think that his view has probably changed significantly.
This is a system update and does not write to the motherboard firmware or the PMU. Your Mac already had issues if you're seeing these kinds of problems. I've seen some things that would look like an OS update glitch until you test the hardware and find that the motherboard is messed up. An OS update doesn't do that.
Oh, yeah, there's an intelligent comment. "You're name has Mac in it, so you can't comment on this!" And you're an asshole, so you shouldn't be commenting either. Isn't it fun to throw these stupid statements around?
And it's not non-operational because you can reinstall and still continue to use it, albeit with some hassle. That is not bricked. What part of that is so difficult to grasp?
We have four or five people in a thread and it's news? Please.
In addition, this is NOT A BRICKING. Bricking means it's completely inoperable. If you can reinstall, it's not bricked. Period. I also find it hard to believe that you can't archive & install if something goes wrong, or at least do the plain old install.
That's what Kucinich is thinking. He's moving to impeach Cheney when he knows it wont happen. Even if it did, it would be too late to have much of an effect. Kucinich is posturing for the next presidential election.
And why the hell were you not using a standard copy operation instead of one that deletes the source when the (supposedly) copy is done? Very, very rarely do I ever use option-drag or an mv in the Terminal to copy files. I always do a standard copy, verify the destination, THEN delete the originals if need be.
Good thing you didn't try Leopard Server. Software Update Server and Netboot are broken, and I'm sure as hell not the only one having this problem. Did Apple bother testing Leopard server upgrades on PPC machines, or do they just not care?
Well, they can't use the excuse that all the memory is needed to pop fifty billion windows open when you only want to change a few settings. That was frustrating as hell with Server 2003. MS spread everything all over the goddamn place as much as they could.
It wont until there are fundamental changes in the open source community. Sure, you can get Ubuntu installs that are fairly painless, but what then? If you want a few pieces of little software for little things, then what? Granny doesn't want to compile her own apps. The problem lies in the fact that open source coders are just that: Coders. They're not designers. Most open source software I've used has had a crappy interface that is unusable unless you know exactly what you're doing. It's stuff made for geeks, by geeks, and that can get frustrating.
Very true. To throw in my two cents, I work at a Mac shop, and while we'll certainly recommend upgrades to those who could really use them (ie, a 12" Powerbook with the stock 256MB of RAM. Yeah, it runs like a dog. Recommended an upgrade to 768MB), we don't lie out our ass or try to cover it if we mess up. I do a fair amount of onsite work, and if it's a five minute job, I'll only charge them the trip fee, no hourly fee. We constantly make Geek Squad and ChumpUSA the butt end of jokes at our shop, because those asswads have no idea what they're doing. The idiots at ChumpUSA sold one guy an OS X Family Pack (five computer license) to a guy with one computer, then sold him iLife '08 and told him it would run on any computer that could run 10.4, which is a huge load of bullshit. We like selling stuff, but not when the customer doesn't have a good use for it.
In the first instance, most people have #6 nailed down. If you don't have an iPod, then don't buy iTunes tracks for a different brand player! Pretty simple. As for #7, guess what? The vast majority of the average comsumers barely know what Linux is, much less use it or give a damn about it. It's a pointless point that affects a small number of geeks. Most of them probably don't care much about #8. It'd be nice, but the record industry isn't too keen on it, and that sentiment is at least understandable. For most people, using iTunes or another music store is much easier than BT/P2P, especially since P2P networks are flooded with phony files. And the vast majority of consumers don't give a damn about Ogg, either. Mostly it's open source fanboys clamoring for it. Hell, most MP3 players wont support Ogg anyway!
The reason to disbelieve him is Blizzard and WoW. Blizzard has worked with Apple and did an excellent job of keeping WoW well-optimized and up to speed with OS X releases, and I guarantee you that they have provided valuable input and feedback for Apple on their OpenGL implementation. Other companies have done the same. So what is Valve doing wrong here?
Gabe is talking out of his ass. Companies like Blizzard, Aspyr, Macplay, etc have all successfully worked with Apple to help make OS X's OpenGL implementation better and to ensure that the features they want make it into OS X releases. Their games run pretty well, too, especially WoW. So what are you doing wrong, Valve, hmmm? You're either screwing up diplomatically or asking far too much of Apple. And no games for Mac? Pull your head out, Gabe. Is this the same piece of shit that cancelled Halflife for Mac while it was in fucking BETA? I'm sure a third-party porting house would have LOVED to buy that from them, finish it, and then support it, but it never happened. My guess is that Valve wants Apple to make their job a little easier while making Apple's job a helluva lot harder.
But that's the OSS nut way! It isn't the fact that they couldn't design a good UI to save their lives most of the time, it's that the darn user isn't smart enough to figure it out!
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I'd need to see someone other than a Mac Genius (who doesn't really know much from the higher-ups who would actually know if this was a known issue) saying that this was a known issue before I'd buy that. A bunch of things can screw up your OS, but why do they hit the news page, hmm? We have maybe half a dozen scattered reports. That doesn't add up to much at all. And your quote from Jobs is from a long, long time ago. Considering how Mac sales are up, I think that his view has probably changed significantly.
This is a system update and does not write to the motherboard firmware or the PMU. Your Mac already had issues if you're seeing these kinds of problems. I've seen some things that would look like an OS update glitch until you test the hardware and find that the motherboard is messed up. An OS update doesn't do that.
Read the headline, dumbass! It's right there! Are you selectively illiterate or something?
Oh, I'm not saying it isn't a pain in the ass, but bricking is far from accurate. It's like someone just copied a Digg headline to Slashdot.
Oh, yeah, there's an intelligent comment. "You're name has Mac in it, so you can't comment on this!" And you're an asshole, so you shouldn't be commenting either. Isn't it fun to throw these stupid statements around?
And it's not non-operational because you can reinstall and still continue to use it, albeit with some hassle. That is not bricked. What part of that is so difficult to grasp?
Yeah, because I'm SURE it was deliberate. *rolleyes*
We have four or five people in a thread and it's news? Please. In addition, this is NOT A BRICKING. Bricking means it's completely inoperable. If you can reinstall, it's not bricked. Period. I also find it hard to believe that you can't archive & install if something goes wrong, or at least do the plain old install.
The best part are the poor guys that have to service them. Laptops can be a complete and utter pain in the ass to fix.
Probably Diggers who only recently created a Slashdot account.
That's what Kucinich is thinking. He's moving to impeach Cheney when he knows it wont happen. Even if it did, it would be too late to have much of an effect. Kucinich is posturing for the next presidential election.
And why the hell were you not using a standard copy operation instead of one that deletes the source when the (supposedly) copy is done? Very, very rarely do I ever use option-drag or an mv in the Terminal to copy files. I always do a standard copy, verify the destination, THEN delete the originals if need be.
Good thing you didn't try Leopard Server. Software Update Server and Netboot are broken, and I'm sure as hell not the only one having this problem. Did Apple bother testing Leopard server upgrades on PPC machines, or do they just not care?
Unless you just added 5GB of video and changed another gig's worth of files.
Airdisk probably isn't fast enough for it to be feasible.
Well, they can't use the excuse that all the memory is needed to pop fifty billion windows open when you only want to change a few settings. That was frustrating as hell with Server 2003. MS spread everything all over the goddamn place as much as they could.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Time Machine drives/partitions are formatted to ZFS.
Supported PPC Mac + Firewire Target Disk Mode. There you go.
Yep, and now they can spam people to see the new Big Gay Bubba Showercam! Hot prison bitch action!
Yep. Digg is going to completely ruin this idea.
It wont until there are fundamental changes in the open source community. Sure, you can get Ubuntu installs that are fairly painless, but what then? If you want a few pieces of little software for little things, then what? Granny doesn't want to compile her own apps. The problem lies in the fact that open source coders are just that: Coders. They're not designers. Most open source software I've used has had a crappy interface that is unusable unless you know exactly what you're doing. It's stuff made for geeks, by geeks, and that can get frustrating.
Very true. To throw in my two cents, I work at a Mac shop, and while we'll certainly recommend upgrades to those who could really use them (ie, a 12" Powerbook with the stock 256MB of RAM. Yeah, it runs like a dog. Recommended an upgrade to 768MB), we don't lie out our ass or try to cover it if we mess up. I do a fair amount of onsite work, and if it's a five minute job, I'll only charge them the trip fee, no hourly fee. We constantly make Geek Squad and ChumpUSA the butt end of jokes at our shop, because those asswads have no idea what they're doing. The idiots at ChumpUSA sold one guy an OS X Family Pack (five computer license) to a guy with one computer, then sold him iLife '08 and told him it would run on any computer that could run 10.4, which is a huge load of bullshit. We like selling stuff, but not when the customer doesn't have a good use for it.
In the first instance, most people have #6 nailed down. If you don't have an iPod, then don't buy iTunes tracks for a different brand player! Pretty simple. As for #7, guess what? The vast majority of the average comsumers barely know what Linux is, much less use it or give a damn about it. It's a pointless point that affects a small number of geeks. Most of them probably don't care much about #8. It'd be nice, but the record industry isn't too keen on it, and that sentiment is at least understandable. For most people, using iTunes or another music store is much easier than BT/P2P, especially since P2P networks are flooded with phony files. And the vast majority of consumers don't give a damn about Ogg, either. Mostly it's open source fanboys clamoring for it. Hell, most MP3 players wont support Ogg anyway!
The reason to disbelieve him is Blizzard and WoW. Blizzard has worked with Apple and did an excellent job of keeping WoW well-optimized and up to speed with OS X releases, and I guarantee you that they have provided valuable input and feedback for Apple on their OpenGL implementation. Other companies have done the same. So what is Valve doing wrong here?
Gabe is talking out of his ass. Companies like Blizzard, Aspyr, Macplay, etc have all successfully worked with Apple to help make OS X's OpenGL implementation better and to ensure that the features they want make it into OS X releases. Their games run pretty well, too, especially WoW. So what are you doing wrong, Valve, hmmm? You're either screwing up diplomatically or asking far too much of Apple. And no games for Mac? Pull your head out, Gabe. Is this the same piece of shit that cancelled Halflife for Mac while it was in fucking BETA? I'm sure a third-party porting house would have LOVED to buy that from them, finish it, and then support it, but it never happened. My guess is that Valve wants Apple to make their job a little easier while making Apple's job a helluva lot harder.
But that's the OSS nut way! It isn't the fact that they couldn't design a good UI to save their lives most of the time, it's that the darn user isn't smart enough to figure it out!