So we've determined that old software runs faster on newer hardware. Very good, impressive. But I think you're confused. You must be using OpenOffice or something if your word processor is not keeping up with you. Microsoft Office is lighting fast on just about any hardware, and that has been true for every release cycle the site has had so far after Office 95. I suggest you give it a try. You can get just Microsoft Word 2007 for about $80 bucks.
And I want some of what you're smoking if you consider Emacs to be "fast", or you consider an alternative to a full-fledged word processor (WTF?), especially for non-technical users. Are you going to require them to learn Lisp as well? And Latex? Emacs is confusing as hell to anyone who is not a developer. It's not an end-user application.
On the other hand, who cares if your word processor is fast or not, as long as it does what you need it to do? What, do you type at 1,200 wpm? The OO.org writer and Word can be configured with a minimal set of menus and/or toolbars, to work in full-screen mode, etc. They don't have to get in your way and they're not "slow", at least in the sense that matters.
There are also a lot of specialized full-featured editors out there, aimed at novel or script writers, for example. All you need to do is look around and the tool you want probably already exists.
And "winDOS"? A classic. Is that what you're calling it now, instead of "Windoze"?
Anyway, I have to stop writing now. I can't stop laughing at your Emacs suggestion.
Wow, not two posts ago you used that hilarious "holier than thou" tone of yours and said:
If holding opinions that contradict facts you quote for the benefit of an evil company you have little to do with makes you a fanboy, then you are a fanboy.
After being presented with proof that your "M$ is lying" tripe is in fact incorrect and hysteric at best, your response is "yeah whatever, I hateing M$ anyways". Very good. If the person you're replying to is an astroturfer, I suppose you must be a psychotic zealot then.
Last time I checked, DB2 was more scalable than Oracle
That depends entirely on the platforms you happen to run them. DB2 on NT (what used to be called "UDB") is a joke; DB2 on OS/390 is pretty much what defines a "big-iron" database. Oracle on NT is nowhere near as good as it is on Solaris. But Sybase on NT is actually quite good - almost as good as SQL Server on the same hardware. Sybase 12.x on HP-UX is also quite good.
Get over it and try adding some useful dialogue to the stories instead of bitching about things you do not understand or understand only as a result of experience with one particular vendor in Redmond.
At first I thought this was just an offtopic reference to Microsoft to get that karma up, but then I realized you're actually implying that people who use Microsoft software are incapable of judging the quality of other software. Are you serious?
Yes, I think people who curse something for weeks and then say they love it are delusioned and mind fucked.
If your infantile hatred of Microsoft fails to elicit even the lightest sense of return on investment from using a product like Office, that's fine. I know people who cursed Linux for months but ended up loving it. Hell, I cursed Emacs for weeks as well but I think it's very useful. But I guess in your world those are two very different situations, eh?
I think you are retarded.
Keep going, you're on a roll. By the way, were you planning on any follow-ups for this thread? I'm sure a lot of people would like to learn how OO.org is so much different than "M$" Office when it comes to handling macros. Looking forward to it.
It's not really better, he just got used to it and put his blinders back on. That, just like you, is a fanboy in action.
So let me see if I get this right. You think the article is useful when it says Office is not good, but you think he's delusional or lying when he says it's good. The same article.
Am I parsing that right?
Let me ask you this: Do you think people who read your posts are retarded? Because if that's not the case the only possible explanation to this "logic" you enjoy so much is that you are, and you just don't know it.
Oh LOLZ, he said "crushing" but in true "I know you are but what am I" fashion we're supposed to think it's "cursing". But you forgot to quote the article fully:
After months of working with the Ribbon and other new features of Office, I believe they are an improvement. They replace years of confusing accretions with a logical layout of commands and functions. They add easy and elegant new options for making documents look good. And they make it much simpler to find many of the 1,500 commands that Office offers, but had buried in the past.
So, Microsoft deserves credit for being bold and creative in designing Office 2007. It has taken a good product and made it better and fresher.
Did you just kinda miss that part or are you in FUD mode right now?
you are flying in the face of reviews and personal experience.
I can point to any number of positive Vista reviews. Even ones that criticize it for whatever reason but conclude that it's fine. Like the Office one you sorta forgot to quote meaningfully. The perception that Vista is "broken" is popular among class-A "M$ WINDOZE SUXXORZ" personalities like yourself, but it simply does not reflect reality. You are desperately trying to convince any half-sentient life form around you that your personal bigotry and wishes are to be trusted as facts. It's not working, really.
Now Vista might be a bust of course. I'm not enough of a fanboy to pronounce it a wild success either. But I'd suggest waiting a few more months before declaring it dead, if nothing else to avoid ridicule. Your claims that "2007 is the year of Linux" because Dell started selling it today are no different. Even a child understands these things take time.
The simple fact is that MS did not perceive F/OSS software as a threat until it was too late
That's funny, Eric Raymond told me in Halloween of 1998 that Microsoft looked at Linux as a core threat. How are they noticing it late again?
The reality is that Microsoft simply did not worry about free software until it started gaining traction with corporations. When IBM and Novell and Sony And Apple and so on get behind something you can bet good money MS will be looking closely. Before that it simply was not a "threat" at all, no matter how much a few hundred thousand hobbyists claimed that was the case.
Microsoft is not scared of free software or open source or the bazaar or penguins. They are worried about what their competitors can do with those tools, but this is no different from IBM suddenly deciding to resurrect OS/2 and striking a deal with Gateway to bundle it on their machines.
On the other hand, free software like Linux and OO.org are just about the only tools left for those companies to compete with Microsoft, especially on the desktop.
Vista does not work and is not selling. Office is being escaped by real standards based productivity
Personal value judgements that do not reflect reality, no matter how much you repeat them. "Vista does not work and is not selling" has apparently become the rallying cry of people who are frustrated at the opposite.
GPL 3 prevents them form stealing free software
I fail to see how the world will change vis-a-vis Microsoft and free software the day after the new version of the GPL is released. They couldn't "steal" it before and won't be able to after, with or without patent FUD or dodgy alliances with Novell. This is an empty "M$ fails it" argument that means absolutely nothing.
I believe that the intent is to force the people who create the applications to clean up their act and release software that does not behave that way. If you ask me, they should have done this in the 9x->2K transition and we'd be all the better for it, but backwards compatibility simply didn't allow that.
Seriously, I suggest you drop that app, and send an email to the publisher detailing why you did it. I dropped three or four apps myself when I moved to Vista. Either I can live with the hassle because of the value provided by the application, or I can drop it and go somewhere else. That's the only way software vendors will feel the heat.
While I agree that this is probably not the best device for the 1-dollar-a-day regions of the world, perhaps it's a good fit for children of low-income families in semi-industrialized countries, like Mexico, Argentina, Thailand, Taiwan, etc. Even for low-income children in first-world nations like the US.
The OLPC does not have the be the answer to all problems. Maybe there are different niches that other devices can fill.
People around here complain about the issues with "monoculture". I'd hate for OLPC to be a monoculture as well. Just the differences between the Classmate running Mandriva and OLPC running Ubuntu represent a good type of diversity.
So, you don't think Earthlink and friends want to advertise on free software desktops?
No, he knows there is no crapware for Linux. There is no Symantec crap for Linux. That's it. Do you work for Dell? How do you know what subsidizes the cost of a PC? I'm pretty sure it's not an Earthlink icon on the desktop.
free software should not cost more than Windoze. If it does, Dell is dropping the ball and missing a chance to make money.
Dell has standardized on "Windoze" since it was first created. You are intentionally ignoring the complexity of pointing Dell's operations to an entirely new operating system, dismissing it with "it should be cheaper, nyah". That's really clever.
If not, I'm going to build the machine myself for less
For people like you, I suspect that will be true no matter what.
Instead of slapping together a second rate web app yourself, you can install a good one that does not have this five year old problem.
This doesn't even make any sense. 9 out of 10 times these applications are custom commerce deals of some sort or another. How do I "install" that? And how is this five year old problem different than running a Windows server without patching it?
Nasty problems that never get corrected are a mostly a non free software problem.
Given the topic of this article, that is obviously not true.
How do you know that the purchase price does not cover the VC investment? Perhaps it does. Hell, maybe they made a killing for all you know. I doubt in this economy anyone would sell at a loss. Things are not that screwed up.
And it's always good to see Google "innovating" by buying out startups.
Your RSS reader is accessing something it really shouldn't. A lot of software does and will continue to think it has the go of the whole box. Unfortunately that will only change with time.
I can't think of a scenario where an app like an RSS reader would need admin-type access, so if possible I'd suggest you notify the creators and tell them it breaks in Vista.
What reader is this? Personally I use Google Reader so I'm not familiar with the desktop apps.
Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of a malicious device driver?
Clearly you've missed the whole point of UAC. It's designed to let you carry out an action that requires administrative rights, while running under a non-admin account. Ever see that KDE or GNOME root prompt when you open an admin tool? Same thing. If you're installing a driver, it's assumed you are already an administrator and generally know what you're doing, so there's no need for a prompt. If you're running in 32-bits, you get a warning about unsigned drivers. If you're in 64-bits you can't even install unsigned drivers at all.
This is no different than any OS. There are situations where it's assumed you have measure of knowledge and responsibility (ie, a fucking clue) about the task at hand. Peppering you with questions would be downright annoying. Alternatively, you can run under an admin account and never see UAC at all. That's your choice.
Fair enough then, my criticism was really aimed more at the mods than at you. I read your clarification later and I found it refreshing to say the least.
I have to admit I also thought you were bitching about the blackout so I didn't click on your silly link. But my god, this is even more stupid. I was installing the Slammer patch on some of my machines almost 7 1/2 months before anyone had even heard of the exploit. These people allowed it to get into their network, which had not been patched to begin with.
I wonder twat, who would you blame if this was some other product? The vendor, of course, as opposed to the user? 7 1/2 months is never nearly enough, I guess.
This is even less about security or whether or not "M$ Winbloze" should be run in certain situations, it's just simple and plain incompetence and SecurityFocus just milking that incompetence for those important ad impressions.
including the later whitewashed Blackout account.
Please elaborate on this, with specifics about where, how and why you believe that report was "whitewashed". Thanks.
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Good idea, as long as it's not a Sony CD...
And I want some of what you're smoking if you consider Emacs to be "fast", or you consider an alternative to a full-fledged word processor (WTF?), especially for non-technical users. Are you going to require them to learn Lisp as well? And Latex? Emacs is confusing as hell to anyone who is not a developer. It's not an end-user application.
On the other hand, who cares if your word processor is fast or not, as long as it does what you need it to do? What, do you type at 1,200 wpm? The OO.org writer and Word can be configured with a minimal set of menus and/or toolbars, to work in full-screen mode, etc. They don't have to get in your way and they're not "slow", at least in the sense that matters.
There are also a lot of specialized full-featured editors out there, aimed at novel or script writers, for example. All you need to do is look around and the tool you want probably already exists.
And "winDOS"? A classic. Is that what you're calling it now, instead of "Windoze"?
Anyway, I have to stop writing now. I can't stop laughing at your Emacs suggestion.
After being presented with proof that your "M$ is lying" tripe is in fact incorrect and hysteric at best, your response is "yeah whatever, I hateing M$ anyways". Very good. If the person you're replying to is an astroturfer, I suppose you must be a psychotic zealot then.
And no, that last bit is not a question.
Products like Hyperion Essbase have made this argument pretty much obsolete.
That depends entirely on the platforms you happen to run them. DB2 on NT (what used to be called "UDB") is a joke; DB2 on OS/390 is pretty much what defines a "big-iron" database. Oracle on NT is nowhere near as good as it is on Solaris. But Sybase on NT is actually quite good - almost as good as SQL Server on the same hardware. Sybase 12.x on HP-UX is also quite good.
At first I thought this was just an offtopic reference to Microsoft to get that karma up, but then I realized you're actually implying that people who use Microsoft software are incapable of judging the quality of other software. Are you serious?
If your infantile hatred of Microsoft fails to elicit even the lightest sense of return on investment from using a product like Office, that's fine. I know people who cursed Linux for months but ended up loving it. Hell, I cursed Emacs for weeks as well but I think it's very useful. But I guess in your world those are two very different situations, eh?
Keep going, you're on a roll. By the way, were you planning on any follow-ups for this thread? I'm sure a lot of people would like to learn how OO.org is so much different than "M$" Office when it comes to handling macros. Looking forward to it.
So let me see if I get this right. You think the article is useful when it says Office is not good, but you think he's delusional or lying when he says it's good. The same article.
Am I parsing that right?
Let me ask you this: Do you think people who read your posts are retarded? Because if that's not the case the only possible explanation to this "logic" you enjoy so much is that you are, and you just don't know it.
Did you just kinda miss that part or are you in FUD mode right now?
I can point to any number of positive Vista reviews. Even ones that criticize it for whatever reason but conclude that it's fine. Like the Office one you sorta forgot to quote meaningfully. The perception that Vista is "broken" is popular among class-A "M$ WINDOZE SUXXORZ" personalities like yourself, but it simply does not reflect reality. You are desperately trying to convince any half-sentient life form around you that your personal bigotry and wishes are to be trusted as facts. It's not working, really.
Now Vista might be a bust of course. I'm not enough of a fanboy to pronounce it a wild success either. But I'd suggest waiting a few more months before declaring it dead, if nothing else to avoid ridicule. Your claims that "2007 is the year of Linux" because Dell started selling it today are no different. Even a child understands these things take time.
That's funny, Eric Raymond told me in Halloween of 1998 that Microsoft looked at Linux as a core threat. How are they noticing it late again?
The reality is that Microsoft simply did not worry about free software until it started gaining traction with corporations. When IBM and Novell and Sony And Apple and so on get behind something you can bet good money MS will be looking closely. Before that it simply was not a "threat" at all, no matter how much a few hundred thousand hobbyists claimed that was the case.
Microsoft is not scared of free software or open source or the bazaar or penguins. They are worried about what their competitors can do with those tools, but this is no different from IBM suddenly deciding to resurrect OS/2 and striking a deal with Gateway to bundle it on their machines.
On the other hand, free software like Linux and OO.org are just about the only tools left for those companies to compete with Microsoft, especially on the desktop.
Personal value judgements that do not reflect reality, no matter how much you repeat them. "Vista does not work and is not selling" has apparently become the rallying cry of people who are frustrated at the opposite.
I fail to see how the world will change vis-a-vis Microsoft and free software the day after the new version of the GPL is released. They couldn't "steal" it before and won't be able to after, with or without patent FUD or dodgy alliances with Novell. This is an empty "M$ fails it" argument that means absolutely nothing.
Seriously, I suggest you drop that app, and send an email to the publisher detailing why you did it. I dropped three or four apps myself when I moved to Vista. Either I can live with the hassle because of the value provided by the application, or I can drop it and go somewhere else. That's the only way software vendors will feel the heat.
While I agree that this is probably not the best device for the 1-dollar-a-day regions of the world, perhaps it's a good fit for children of low-income families in semi-industrialized countries, like Mexico, Argentina, Thailand, Taiwan, etc. Even for low-income children in first-world nations like the US.
The OLPC does not have the be the answer to all problems. Maybe there are different niches that other devices can fill.
People around here complain about the issues with "monoculture". I'd hate for OLPC to be a monoculture as well. Just the differences between the Classmate running Mandriva and OLPC running Ubuntu represent a good type of diversity.
No, he knows there is no crapware for Linux. There is no Symantec crap for Linux. That's it. Do you work for Dell? How do you know what subsidizes the cost of a PC? I'm pretty sure it's not an Earthlink icon on the desktop.
Dell has standardized on "Windoze" since it was first created. You are intentionally ignoring the complexity of pointing Dell's operations to an entirely new operating system, dismissing it with "it should be cheaper, nyah". That's really clever.
For people like you, I suspect that will be true no matter what.
Obviously?
This doesn't even make any sense. 9 out of 10 times these applications are custom commerce deals of some sort or another. How do I "install" that? And how is this five year old problem different than running a Windows server without patching it?
Given the topic of this article, that is obviously not true.
And it's always good to see Google "innovating" by buying out startups.
What you say?
I can't think of a scenario where an app like an RSS reader would need admin-type access, so if possible I'd suggest you notify the creators and tell them it breaks in Vista.
What reader is this? Personally I use Google Reader so I'm not familiar with the desktop apps.
No, the 'default' is to ask you what you want to do.
If you are running under an admin account, it's by choice. Office (and Windows) works perfectly well under non-admin accounts.
This is relevant because...?
Sure. If you're going to admit you're wrong then by all means. If you're going to keep doing the "well M$ is teh worse" logic, then no.
Why don't you just admit you're wrong? Is that so painful?
Clearly you've missed the whole point of UAC. It's designed to let you carry out an action that requires administrative rights, while running under a non-admin account. Ever see that KDE or GNOME root prompt when you open an admin tool? Same thing. If you're installing a driver, it's assumed you are already an administrator and generally know what you're doing, so there's no need for a prompt. If you're running in 32-bits, you get a warning about unsigned drivers. If you're in 64-bits you can't even install unsigned drivers at all.
This is no different than any OS. There are situations where it's assumed you have measure of knowledge and responsibility (ie, a fucking clue) about the task at hand. Peppering you with questions would be downright annoying. Alternatively, you can run under an admin account and never see UAC at all. That's your choice.
And this is different from "M$" Office in what way?
That sounds more like littering than exploration.
Cheers.
I wonder twat, who would you blame if this was some other product? The vendor, of course, as opposed to the user? 7 1/2 months is never nearly enough, I guess.
This is even less about security or whether or not "M$ Winbloze" should be run in certain situations, it's just simple and plain incompetence and SecurityFocus just milking that incompetence for those important ad impressions.
Please elaborate on this, with specifics about where, how and why you believe that report was "whitewashed". Thanks.
Well, maybe next time he can use his own mom =)