Seriously twitter, could you cut down on the fucking dollar signs please? Never mind that they make you look stupid - they make your posts difficult to read, reply to and quote. Seriously. At least avoid using them when you're replying to someone.
Are you really trying to tell me that [Microsoft] will improve Yahoo, that you like MSN better?
No, but you are pretty sure they'll "ruin" Yahoo to begin with. It's that psychic streak of yours, isn't it? And no, I don't think MSN (Live.com really) is better, at least not better than Google. As portals I'd say they're relatively close, though Yahoo beat both Microsoft and Yahoo to the punch with the "Ajaxy portal" idea.
will humble themselves
Your use of phrases like these pretty much precludes any real discussion of the topic at hand. Why in the hell would Microsoft be "humbled"? Are they "humbled" because they bought the precursor to FrontPage and added it to Office? Is Google "humbled" when they use Blogger? Is Yahoo "humbled" because they are shutting down their photos app and moving to Flickr? How do you come up with these "arguments" anyway?
will you be sad if [Microsoft] converts it all to MSN
I don't even know what this means, sorry.
Do you own a Zune?
No. I don't own an iPod either. Or an Archos. Or a Nomad. Or anything like that. I fail to see how that is relevant.
I'm predicting that a [Microsoft] owned Yahoo will suck, like many things [Microsoft] has bought out.
Please list the "many" things that "suck". Then, when you're done with that, please list all the things that Microsoft has acquired that don't. Do not include things you "hate", or have never used at all. Thanks.
Recognition
There you go, I did some creative snipping of your post to compliment yours. Hell, here's some more to close off:
Holy crap, who modded this up for the love of $DEITY.
It's so funny how Microsoft's success must be measured as an absolute when you are so trying so desperately to re-arrange reality to make them look bad. How many Microsoft products have failed, twitter? I mean, really failed? What, "Bob" and Zune? Out of thousands of them? Out of uncounted billions of dollars in revenue over the past 30 years, "Bob" and "Clippy" are your best examples of why "M$" is about to die and go away?
Seriously?
Microsoft doesn't need to dethrone Google with MSN and outsell the PS2. They don't. I'm sure they'd feel better if they did, but they quite simply don't. Their success doesn't need to be absolute. Other companies usually need to, but MS doesn't.
Consider Google. They're a two-trick pony. Their painfully inflated stock will plummet with first inkling of a problem with the online ad market (not that I would want that to happen, I love Google. But that's not the point). The same event barely makes Microsoft blink. One hiccup in iPod sales and it's pain time for Apple. Microsoft can afford to get it wrong four times with the Zune.
Microsoft doesn't have to dominate markets completely to be successful in them. It's funny that people like you have to point out "M$" does not have absolute domination of a market to prove they have "failed". Would you rather all of those markets were in the same state as the PC desktop today? Holy shit, I'm a Microsoft fanboy but I sure as hell wouldn't want that to happen. Microsoft needs all the competition it can get.
the GPL says that I have to release the modified versions of any GPL code I've used.
Not to side with twitter here, but the GPL says you have to make available the source of any modifications you've made to GPL'ed software if you are also distributing them. If you're not, then you don't have to do anything. Like Google. Although I think the GPL3 will pretty much kill that (I think?).
Now in this case obviously there is intent to distribute modifications to Linux in the device(s) the company will sell, but still.
My question here relates to the off-hand "well you should quit" argument. There's no way for anyone to know what this person's situation is, and I doubt half the people (including dear twitter here) suggesting he quit would do that.
Personally, I'd get evidence I was ordered to do something, like an email, and then just do it. Then quietly start looking for another job. The idea that I'm going to just barge into the CTO's office, throw my badge in his face and walk off into the sunset is a little ridiculous.
Then again, you have to understand twitter has never had a job where he'd be exposed to something like this, so that complicates the validity of his advice. The only reason he jumped in here was to argue that OpenOffice is "better" than Microsoft Office. He calls it "evangelism".
No, you don't understand. It's not like that at all. The I/O streams are objects themselves, and what you move through them are also qualified objects. It's just difficult to explain. I didn't "get it" either until I had one of those epyphanies like when you realize how std::vector works or how to use multiple CSS selectors or something like that. It's really cool.
I wouldn't want to write an application with it because of the overhead, but for scripting (especially complex, stateful scripting) it just rocks.
essentially confirms that PC World reviews should be thought of as no more than press releases. I know that's how I will consider links from them in the future.
Does this mean the Slashvertisements will stop and you will actually start checking submissions? Never mind PC World, hooray for Slashdot!!
That photograph of the plume is one of the most amazing pictures I've ever seen. It was Voyager II that first gave us a glimpse of the Loki Patera volcano on Io and that was amazing enough, but that image just takes the cake. It has a ghostly 3-D deal going on that is simply breathtaking.
I'm not sure what you mean by "wrangle live.NET objects and complex datatypes"
Which is your problem, though not also the reason you'd dismiss something like this. Microsoft has actually come up with a way to manage system entities as full-fledged objects in a character-based environment using a simple command set, which is something they started doing six years ago with WMI. You are still stuck with the text-in-a-pipe invented thirty years ago, but of course something like this coming from "M$" is useless regardless. So why don't you just avoid sharing your insight with us? All you do is display your obnoxious arrogance and unfortunate ignorance.
They used to do it regularly. NT stood for "New Technology."
NT 3.0 was written from scratch. Please provide proof to the contrary, if you have it. Then, provide proof that *Microsoft* has claimed Vista is rewritten from scratch. And I said Vista, not Longhorn or anything else.
I can't tell you how many times they declared the "death of DOS"
I'd calculate that about the same number of times you've declared "M$ Winblows" was "dead".
But I could be wrong.
which they pay people to write
Please provide proof of this. If true, it means that Microsoft has subverted the WP editorial controls, because for a closely-watched topic like that one, no matter how many times you edit it, someone will put your changes under the microscope. The vast majority of the Microsoft articles on WP are closely watched and by definition maintained free of harmful edits.
Please explain to me how it's going to get into my "BIOS" with Vista-specific flaws, and then we'll chat. You can use all the dollar signs you want, but do me a favor and try to make at least a bit of sense.
Actually what they need to do is get rid of all that legacy crap code they have that assumes everyone on the internet is a good friend. "Banning" APIs and coming up with workarounds to fundamental design problems (seriously, an animated cursor??) is simply piling band-aids on top of each other until they forget which one did what.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, they have a hell of a lot of that sort of code in Windows and a lot of their products. The ones they've really re-engineered like IIS6 or written from scratch with security in mind like.NET are doing just fine. That should tell them something.
I guess Im getting ripped off then as I share tonnes of media but have never made a cent from it.
I guess in your mind that makes it OK, then. Very good. Maybe you should hold up a bank and give all the money to charity. No victim there either.
Perhaps because that character only exsists in your head?
Yes, of course he does.
Too bad under current law, thats a crime too
Unfortunately that's true in the age of CDs and it wasn't in the days of cassette tapes, but I'd feel safe going to court on that than a charge of distributing thousands of DVD ISOs for profit (or not).
comparing file sharing to selling dvds on a streetcorner is flamebait at best.
No, missing the point on purpose and nitpicking the concept of "sharing" to justify gross copyright violation so that you can regurgitate your tired sheep argument might be.
So it's a crime, but we can't call it "stealing". OK, and this helps how?
And if that 20 year old can do it, why can't the MPAA? In fact, I would wager that most people would rather down'oad from a legitimate site they trust, then from some warez site
Absolutely. The problem is that the *AA and friends have not gotten and probably will never get the fact that their stranglehold on the packaging and distribution of content is about to die a painful death. If they had anticipated that in the early 90s and adapted to it, they'd be rakin' it in by now from all sides.
No, making a copy of something and selling 50,000 copies of it (or putting it on a P2P network for 5 million people to download) is a crime.
Let's call it how it is, shall we? The MAFIAA is not worried about people asserting their fair use rights and making a copy of a DVD for backup purposes. I do that all the time. What they're worried about is the guy that makes a copy of the DVD, removes the protection and then puts the recompressed ISO file on the PirateBay. Their problem is that they are institutionally incapable of distinguishing between the two.
Seriously, is it that hard to understand that? The grandmothers and dads on food stamps that get sucked into the "enforcement" lawsuits are unfortunate and should not be happening, but they are a result of the overall effort by the content owners - Slashdot doesn't normally publish the plight of the 20-year old who was found running a warez FTP with half a million high-quality MP3s and making a tidy profit from them.
IBM employs almost fifty thousand of these "permatemps" from India and China on L1 visas. When they get the shaft you rarely read about it on InfoWorld. So if your theory about Microsoft is true, then I guess that balances out nicely.
I think Microsoft has realized that they probably won't be able to continue operating as before. An aphorism for that might be "they get open source", although it might not be the ultimate expression of the changes they need to undertake to continue being the dominant entity in the software market. At some point that will have to involve a hell of a lot more open behavior than we see today.
As far as the EU is concerned, they can go fuck themselves. However, the ridiculous protectionist dickfest they've organized (at the behest of RealNetworks among others) might in the end be the catalyst for those inevitable changes at Microsoft. Maybe in that sense it's not so bad.
Vacuum tubes are expensive because its hard to make a vacuum tube that has any degree of reliability. The fact that transistors do the same job and cost dirt has little impact on the difficulty or cost of making vacuum tubes.
So that's why just about every American house had a vacuum tube radio or three before they were obsoleted by transistors? Vacuum tubes were not expensive.
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Absolute control of the hardware on which your software runs can come in handy, I guess.
IBM fires 150,000 people and someone on Slashdot manages to find a "Microsoft sux" angle. Props all around.
No, but you are pretty sure they'll "ruin" Yahoo to begin with. It's that psychic streak of yours, isn't it? And no, I don't think MSN (Live.com really) is better, at least not better than Google. As portals I'd say they're relatively close, though Yahoo beat both Microsoft and Yahoo to the punch with the "Ajaxy portal" idea.
Your use of phrases like these pretty much precludes any real discussion of the topic at hand. Why in the hell would Microsoft be "humbled"? Are they "humbled" because they bought the precursor to FrontPage and added it to Office? Is Google "humbled" when they use Blogger? Is Yahoo "humbled" because they are shutting down their photos app and moving to Flickr? How do you come up with these "arguments" anyway?
I don't even know what this means, sorry.
No. I don't own an iPod either. Or an Archos. Or a Nomad. Or anything like that. I fail to see how that is relevant.
Please list the "many" things that "suck". Then, when you're done with that, please list all the things that Microsoft has acquired that don't. Do not include things you "hate", or have never used at all. Thanks.
There you go, I did some creative snipping of your post to compliment yours. Hell, here's some more to close off:
I'm so leet!
It's so funny how Microsoft's success must be measured as an absolute when you are so trying so desperately to re-arrange reality to make them look bad. How many Microsoft products have failed, twitter? I mean, really failed? What, "Bob" and Zune? Out of thousands of them? Out of uncounted billions of dollars in revenue over the past 30 years, "Bob" and "Clippy" are your best examples of why "M$" is about to die and go away?
Seriously?
Microsoft doesn't need to dethrone Google with MSN and outsell the PS2. They don't. I'm sure they'd feel better if they did, but they quite simply don't. Their success doesn't need to be absolute. Other companies usually need to, but MS doesn't.
Consider Google. They're a two-trick pony. Their painfully inflated stock will plummet with first inkling of a problem with the online ad market (not that I would want that to happen, I love Google. But that's not the point). The same event barely makes Microsoft blink. One hiccup in iPod sales and it's pain time for Apple. Microsoft can afford to get it wrong four times with the Zune.
Microsoft doesn't have to dominate markets completely to be successful in them. It's funny that people like you have to point out "M$" does not have absolute domination of a market to prove they have "failed". Would you rather all of those markets were in the same state as the PC desktop today? Holy shit, I'm a Microsoft fanboy but I sure as hell wouldn't want that to happen. Microsoft needs all the competition it can get.
Not to side with twitter here, but the GPL says you have to make available the source of any modifications you've made to GPL'ed software if you are also distributing them. If you're not, then you don't have to do anything. Like Google. Although I think the GPL3 will pretty much kill that (I think?).
Now in this case obviously there is intent to distribute modifications to Linux in the device(s) the company will sell, but still.
Personally, I'd get evidence I was ordered to do something, like an email, and then just do it. Then quietly start looking for another job. The idea that I'm going to just barge into the CTO's office, throw my badge in his face and walk off into the sunset is a little ridiculous.
Then again, you have to understand twitter has never had a job where he'd be exposed to something like this, so that complicates the validity of his advice. The only reason he jumped in here was to argue that OpenOffice is "better" than Microsoft Office. He calls it "evangelism".
Very easy to sit there and say "just quit your job", isn't it?
Let me guess, the issue for you here is that they're not using open source as you'd like? What "better software" exists?
Explaining WPS to you would be like trying to explain calculus to a cockroach. Except that the cockroach would probably find it mildly interesting.
I wouldn't want to write an application with it because of the overhead, but for scripting (especially complex, stateful scripting) it just rocks.
Does this mean the Slashvertisements will stop and you will actually start checking submissions? Never mind PC World, hooray for Slashdot!!
That photograph of the plume is one of the most amazing pictures I've ever seen. It was Voyager II that first gave us a glimpse of the Loki Patera volcano on Io and that was amazing enough, but that image just takes the cake. It has a ghostly 3-D deal going on that is simply breathtaking.
Which is your problem, though not also the reason you'd dismiss something like this. Microsoft has actually come up with a way to manage system entities as full-fledged objects in a character-based environment using a simple command set, which is something they started doing six years ago with WMI. You are still stuck with the text-in-a-pipe invented thirty years ago, but of course something like this coming from "M$" is useless regardless. So why don't you just avoid sharing your insight with us? All you do is display your obnoxious arrogance and unfortunate ignorance.
NT 3.0 was written from scratch. Please provide proof to the contrary, if you have it. Then, provide proof that *Microsoft* has claimed Vista is rewritten from scratch. And I said Vista, not Longhorn or anything else.
I'd calculate that about the same number of times you've declared "M$ Winblows" was "dead".
But I could be wrong.
Please provide proof of this. If true, it means that Microsoft has subverted the WP editorial controls, because for a closely-watched topic like that one, no matter how many times you edit it, someone will put your changes under the microscope. The vast majority of the Microsoft articles on WP are closely watched and by definition maintained free of harmful edits.
So, let's see some proof of your claim.
Please explain to me how it's going to get into my "BIOS" with Vista-specific flaws, and then we'll chat. You can use all the dollar signs you want, but do me a favor and try to make at least a bit of sense.
Wow twitter, so what you are telling me here is that if I allow my operating system to be compromised, it will be compromised?
Unfortunately for Microsoft, they have a hell of a lot of that sort of code in Windows and a lot of their products. The ones they've really re-engineered like IIS6 or written from scratch with security in mind like .NET are doing just fine. That should tell them something.
Really, I mean "I have not won anything but hope."?? Give me a break...
I guess in your mind that makes it OK, then. Very good. Maybe you should hold up a bank and give all the money to charity. No victim there either.
Yes, of course he does.
Unfortunately that's true in the age of CDs and it wasn't in the days of cassette tapes, but I'd feel safe going to court on that than a charge of distributing thousands of DVD ISOs for profit (or not).
No, missing the point on purpose and nitpicking the concept of "sharing" to justify gross copyright violation so that you can regurgitate your tired sheep argument might be.
Absolutely. The problem is that the *AA and friends have not gotten and probably will never get the fact that their stranglehold on the packaging and distribution of content is about to die a painful death. If they had anticipated that in the early 90s and adapted to it, they'd be rakin' it in by now from all sides.
No, making a copy of something and selling 50,000 copies of it (or putting it on a P2P network for 5 million people to download) is a crime.
Let's call it how it is, shall we? The MAFIAA is not worried about people asserting their fair use rights and making a copy of a DVD for backup purposes. I do that all the time. What they're worried about is the guy that makes a copy of the DVD, removes the protection and then puts the recompressed ISO file on the PirateBay. Their problem is that they are institutionally incapable of distinguishing between the two.
Seriously, is it that hard to understand that? The grandmothers and dads on food stamps that get sucked into the "enforcement" lawsuits are unfortunate and should not be happening, but they are a result of the overall effort by the content owners - Slashdot doesn't normally publish the plight of the 20-year old who was found running a warez FTP with half a million high-quality MP3s and making a tidy profit from them.
IBM employs almost fifty thousand of these "permatemps" from India and China on L1 visas. When they get the shaft you rarely read about it on InfoWorld. So if your theory about Microsoft is true, then I guess that balances out nicely.
As far as the EU is concerned, they can go fuck themselves. However, the ridiculous protectionist dickfest they've organized (at the behest of RealNetworks among others) might in the end be the catalyst for those inevitable changes at Microsoft. Maybe in that sense it's not so bad.
Time will tell.
Yes, yes. And Windows has not changed since 1990, etc.
The expression "WHOOOOSH" comes to mind here.
You're right, I meant "ESR", not RMS. Sorry about that.