So were VCRs when they first came out. My dad bought a top-loading Sony Betamax gig the size of a small fridge in 1980 that used a cable remote for about ~$2,500. Ditto for DVD players. Remember the first ones? $1,000 and up and big as a brick? Last year I bought a Samsung about two inches thick that does DTS and has an HDMI input at Costco for $60. So it goes.
I think this thing has incredible potential, and if enough people buy it it will eventually commoditize itself.
That's classic twitter, insulting people who hold a different opinion than him. Why exactly must everything be black or white in your little world? Why must I "hate" something if I don't "love" it and viceversa? Are you really that incapable of simply accepting that "M$ Windoze" is better than Linux at something?
Oh, I get it. So you're making the argument that, say, WinFS and so on didn't ship, so "Longhorn" didn't ship, although Microsoft did just ship an operating system. I guess that's a very clever argument. Wow, and I didn't see it coming.
Imagine being part of a group of people that is tolerated, at best, in many social circles. Imagine being a computer science graduate, going to a class reunion, telling people you hate "Micro$haft Windoze", and watching your former classmates slowly back away as if you'd just told them you had a venereal disease.
You said that change would have to come from the bottom. It can't. That's the point you're missing.
DiBona's hilarious anecdote refers to people who are in middle management positions at Microsoft. I never once said "coders" would suddenly become managers and change Microsoft. Your opinion is an interesting one, but an opinion nonetheless.
No, I just said that XP was crap
Crap or not (which is again your opinion), it's installed in a few hundred million computers around the world. Barring a nuclear war, so will Vista eventually. You of course realize that the same - exactly the same - argument was made against every single new version of Windows ever released. Correct?
Longhorn was the biggest software project failure of all time, at least in the private sector.
Of course, especially considering they just shipped it.
and that's not going to change until the Vista disaster
If by "vista disaster" you mean it will very likely be installed in a couple of hundred million computers in the next five years, I guess you have a point. Nothing else because of sheer inertia, Vista will be no different than Windows 95, 2000 or XP were. Let me guess, you predicted the same "disaster" when XP was released, right?
The more you bullshit them with snide post-mortem "let me tell you how it is" articles (to which they will never reply because they can't) designed to convey the idea that you have lots of "cred" with the "community", the less they will reach out to you. Change in Microsoft has to come from the bottom, not the top. The more you insult lower-level employees who won't get on their knees and celebrate you as some sort of god and talk frankly about what Ballmer said last week because they're not supposed to (or simply don't want to), the less they'll talk to you at all. Jesus christ, that's like berating a clerk at the DMV for a speech made by the governor. WTF? If you wanted to get clarification about something Ballmer said you should requested to talk to him, and skipped this "junket" thing entirely.
The more I see how the members of this "community" behave the less faith I have that the person who ends up running Microsoft in the next 10 years will bother being civil to them. Grow the fuck up.
The Dojo Toolkit is a good, real world example of how JavaScript is lacking in modularity - imports and references have to be hacked.
Having said that, it's still a fact that we're using JS in ways the original designers probably didn't envision, although I must say that from a basic design standpoint JS is certainly impressive. You're still running within the constraints of the browser, which mostly treats scripts as a sort of annoying necessity rather than an integrated part of the client experience.
ONLY A TINY PERCENTAGE of people in developing countries are starving. MOST have enough to eat. MOST have somewhere to live.
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, more than 25,000 people die of starvation every day, and more than 800 million people are chronically undernourished. On average, every five seconds a child dies from starvation. ^
NONE of the countries signed up so far have any significant starvation problem. NONE of them are among the most desperately poor.
So I guess the countries that won't be signing up any time soon are the ones that include the 800M people quoted above? Sux to be them, huh?
All you've done is yet again repeat stereotypes of the developing world that has no root in reality.
And you make the oft-repeated mistake of assuming "starvation" has to look like this to constitute a valid argument. You obviously have no idea what it is to live on 400 calories a day. But hey, at whomever does is not "starving", right?
Relying on the inherent goodness of humans (or corporations) is naive at best. You can't come up with this super-wonderful new "business model" wherein you give everything away and then sit there and pout when people don't behave the way you idealistically expected them to.
Sweet mother, you are just killer. You know, I was thinking of a polite way to say "fuck you" and deftly insert it into my response but then I gave up and posted this instead. Still, I'm sorry I ruined your afternoon.
Since you moderated squat in this thread, that's a nice theory but a theory nonetheless. Of course it always helps when you accuse people of "trolling" when their questions make you uncomfortable.
You've received enough responses here that question your honesty (or competence) in the matter that I pretty much could care less if you think I'm being a "jackass". Your "microsoft suxxorz and oracle roxxorz" and "I've found lots of bugs and I had to pay for reporting them" crap is exactly that - crap that was begging to be called out. And your "personal experiences" are of course accentuated by the obvious objectivity of your excellent website.
Look at the talk pages for pages like Srebrenica, abortion, global warming, United States, any topic related to Iraq, Turkey, Armenia, biographies of people like Ghandi, George Bush, Tony Blair, Milosevic, Abraham Lincoln. Apple pie. Latex. Hitler. There's literally thousands of them.
I see you didn't reply to my post. It's very convenient to hide behind the "you're trolling" ad hominem instead of owning up to the fact that you're a liar and a karma whore.
Next time, avoid making claims that someone might question. You'll look a lot less stupid.
but to illustrate the fact that to many "laymen," the "experts" often come off as narrow-minded fanatics.
That's true for large sections of Wikipedia, and that's one of the many reasons why it sucks as a primary reference source. You can be pretty much assured that any "hot button" topic will be a veritable mess of crap created by borderline "expert" well-organized editor cliques aggressively pushing POV agendas. This is an interesting ecosystem to observe, actually, as an example of how online communities work. It makes for interesting reading but terrible content. Of course it's the direct result of the way the thing is supposed to work - the problem is the constant harping and "buzz" about how well it works. It doesn't. And it never will. But that doesn't mean it's useless or pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like WP. But I would never consider it an encyclopedia. It's more like an interesting mass of relatively well categorized information.
Really? Why? Because I dared question what you said?
I don't know the details. I was told we had the highest level contract outside of government agencies.
I find it hard to believe that as a DBA having to support a database server within your organization you were not told what support level you had access to from the vendor. Normally you're given a fixed point of contact (for regional contracts this can be your TAM) and documentation as to what you can and cannot count on when you pick up the phone. You realize this sounds suspicious, correct? Or do you think I'm "trolling" here?
I have personally stumbled across at least a dozen undocumented bugs in MS SQL Server and VB
Well now, it gets interesting. Please, off the top of your head cite one undocumented bug in VB that you found that then went on to be part of a KB article. Please be specific. I'm sure if you found "a dozen" you must remember at least one, right? For example, a compiler problem? An issue with COM+? One of the common control libraries?
I'm reporting personal experience. By definition it's not FUD.
And since my personal experience differs greately from yours, and my knowledge of how PSS works within Microsoft negates your claims, I must be "trolling".
And msversus.org is my own site. It's not FUD either, because it's documentation of my own experiences and analysis.
Fair enough. I'm going to add a link to Microsoft on my Slashdot sig and see what effect it has on my "trolling".
Microsoft and Sybase were working together on it, then Microsoft gave Sybase the boot as they usually do.
Microsoft and Sybase were not "working together" on anything. Microsoft bought the source code for the Sybase RDBMS engine core and a royalty-free license to do anything they wanted with it, including competing with Sybase.
Microsoft has added some features to SQL Server, but all in all, it is probably still very much a Sybase product at its core.
Yes, it hasn't changed at all since version 6.5. Just like Vista is really not different than Windows 95.
What was your "high" contract with Microsoft? What level? Was it a regionally-supported contract (through your TAM) or was it direct with PSS? Was it part of an MSDN subscription? If so, what MSDN level, and whom did you purchase it from?
How many "bugs" did you find that Microsoft had to "charge" you for them? On a product that has existed for seven years, you or someone on your organization managed to find actual, undocumented "bugs" and then Microsoft actually went ahead and charged you for reporting them, even though you had this "high" contract with them. Correct?
I find it hard to believe that obvious disingenious FUD like this gets modded up to +5 - even considering the link to "msversus.org" on your user profile.
Another thing that's wrong with the "community" is writing an article detailing what's wrong with the community and then bashing a project like GNOME, which for all its failings does what it needs to do, is very much active and has a large user and developer following. So I guess this guy must be a "KDE fanboy"... and so it goes.
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So were VCRs when they first came out. My dad bought a top-loading Sony Betamax gig the size of a small fridge in 1980 that used a cable remote for about ~$2,500. Ditto for DVD players. Remember the first ones? $1,000 and up and big as a brick? Last year I bought a Samsung about two inches thick that does DTS and has an HDMI input at Costco for $60. So it goes.
I think this thing has incredible potential, and if enough people buy it it will eventually commoditize itself.
That's classic twitter, insulting people who hold a different opinion than him. Why exactly must everything be black or white in your little world? Why must I "hate" something if I don't "love" it and viceversa? Are you really that incapable of simply accepting that "M$ Windoze" is better than Linux at something?
Oh, I get it. So you're making the argument that, say, WinFS and so on didn't ship, so "Longhorn" didn't ship, although Microsoft did just ship an operating system. I guess that's a very clever argument. Wow, and I didn't see it coming.
That was too good to pass up.
jcr here seems to subscribe to that logic. And of course, the mods have spoken, so he's absolutely right! =)
A "danger" that is eliminated with a rinky $25 NAT router.
DiBona's hilarious anecdote refers to people who are in middle management positions at Microsoft. I never once said "coders" would suddenly become managers and change Microsoft. Your opinion is an interesting one, but an opinion nonetheless.
Crap or not (which is again your opinion), it's installed in a few hundred million computers around the world. Barring a nuclear war, so will Vista eventually. You of course realize that the same - exactly the same - argument was made against every single new version of Windows ever released. Correct?
Of course, especially considering they just shipped it.
And I said something different?
If by "vista disaster" you mean it will very likely be installed in a couple of hundred million computers in the next five years, I guess you have a point. Nothing else because of sheer inertia, Vista will be no different than Windows 95, 2000 or XP were. Let me guess, you predicted the same "disaster" when XP was released, right?
The more I see how the members of this "community" behave the less faith I have that the person who ends up running Microsoft in the next 10 years will bother being civil to them. Grow the fuck up.
Having said that, it's still a fact that we're using JS in ways the original designers probably didn't envision, although I must say that from a basic design standpoint JS is certainly impressive. You're still running within the constraints of the browser, which mostly treats scripts as a sort of annoying necessity rather than an integrated part of the client experience.
NONE of the countries signed up so far have any significant starvation problem. NONE of them are among the most desperately poor.
So I guess the countries that won't be signing up any time soon are the ones that include the 800M people quoted above? Sux to be them, huh?
All you've done is yet again repeat stereotypes of the developing world that has no root in reality.
And you make the oft-repeated mistake of assuming "starvation" has to look like this to constitute a valid argument. You obviously have no idea what it is to live on 400 calories a day. But hey, at whomever does is not "starving", right?
Not at all - the great thing about standards is that there's so many of them to choose from.
Relying on the inherent goodness of humans (or corporations) is naive at best. You can't come up with this super-wonderful new "business model" wherein you give everything away and then sit there and pout when people don't behave the way you idealistically expected them to.
Sweet mother, you are just killer. You know, I was thinking of a polite way to say "fuck you" and deftly insert it into my response but then I gave up and posted this instead. Still, I'm sorry I ruined your afternoon.
Last week Dvorak was an idiot, but today he's the best tech columnist in the world.
Since you moderated squat in this thread, that's a nice theory but a theory nonetheless. Of course it always helps when you accuse people of "trolling" when their questions make you uncomfortable.
You've received enough responses here that question your honesty (or competence) in the matter that I pretty much could care less if you think I'm being a "jackass". Your "microsoft suxxorz and oracle roxxorz" and "I've found lots of bugs and I had to pay for reporting them" crap is exactly that - crap that was begging to be called out. And your "personal experiences" are of course accentuated by the obvious objectivity of your excellent website.
Have a great life.
Look at the talk pages for pages like Srebrenica, abortion, global warming, United States, any topic related to Iraq, Turkey, Armenia, biographies of people like Ghandi, George Bush, Tony Blair, Milosevic, Abraham Lincoln. Apple pie. Latex. Hitler. There's literally thousands of them.
Next time, avoid making claims that someone might question. You'll look a lot less stupid.
That's true for large sections of Wikipedia, and that's one of the many reasons why it sucks as a primary reference source. You can be pretty much assured that any "hot button" topic will be a veritable mess of crap created by borderline "expert" well-organized editor cliques aggressively pushing POV agendas. This is an interesting ecosystem to observe, actually, as an example of how online communities work. It makes for interesting reading but terrible content. Of course it's the direct result of the way the thing is supposed to work - the problem is the constant harping and "buzz" about how well it works. It doesn't. And it never will. But that doesn't mean it's useless or pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like WP. But I would never consider it an encyclopedia. It's more like an interesting mass of relatively well categorized information.
Who plays Junis? Kevin Federline?
ROFLMAO, that's rich. Well, here's another chance to mod me down as a "troll". Knock yourselves out.
Really? Why? Because I dared question what you said?
I find it hard to believe that as a DBA having to support a database server within your organization you were not told what support level you had access to from the vendor. Normally you're given a fixed point of contact (for regional contracts this can be your TAM) and documentation as to what you can and cannot count on when you pick up the phone. You realize this sounds suspicious, correct? Or do you think I'm "trolling" here?
Well now, it gets interesting. Please, off the top of your head cite one undocumented bug in VB that you found that then went on to be part of a KB article. Please be specific. I'm sure if you found "a dozen" you must remember at least one, right? For example, a compiler problem? An issue with COM+? One of the common control libraries?
And since my personal experience differs greately from yours, and my knowledge of how PSS works within Microsoft negates your claims, I must be "trolling".
Fair enough. I'm going to add a link to Microsoft on my Slashdot sig and see what effect it has on my "trolling".
Microsoft and Sybase were not "working together" on anything. Microsoft bought the source code for the Sybase RDBMS engine core and a royalty-free license to do anything they wanted with it, including competing with Sybase.
Yes, it hasn't changed at all since version 6.5. Just like Vista is really not different than Windows 95.
Any other anecdotes?
How many "bugs" did you find that Microsoft had to "charge" you for them? On a product that has existed for seven years, you or someone on your organization managed to find actual, undocumented "bugs" and then Microsoft actually went ahead and charged you for reporting them, even though you had this "high" contract with them. Correct?
I find it hard to believe that obvious disingenious FUD like this gets modded up to +5 - even considering the link to "msversus.org" on your user profile.
Another thing that's wrong with the "community" is writing an article detailing what's wrong with the community and then bashing a project like GNOME, which for all its failings does what it needs to do, is very much active and has a large user and developer following. So I guess this guy must be a "KDE fanboy"... and so it goes.