i will explain it to you. ASP.NET attempts to morph the web development paradigm into the desktop development paradigm and in doing so adds a horribly complicated and inelegant structure to the whole process
Ahhhh... the event model. The ViewState thing. Yes. Of course an elitist retard like yourself would consider those to be "complicated and inelegant", but since you continue to post your uninformed idiotic bullshit 'opinions', I'll explain it to you. The WebForm model in ASP.NET is built on top of a bunch of HTTP request handler interfaces, which can use regex or wildcard-based pipe redirection and processing depending on context or content. So you can always design your own paradigm on top of that infrastructure. Or, you can get one of the frameworks out there that already do that. The WebForm thing is the entry-level, target the 80% developer base and make them productive. It's called 'the OOB experience', I'm sure you've heard of it. For the rest of us there's the powerful stuff underneath that can be easily extended.
Heck, maybe even you could come up with something that has your three fav buzzwords - "elegance coherence and beauty", though I seriously doubt you've written a line of non-application code in your life.
You can do it all by hand... with notepad or vim or Emacs if that's your thing. Visual Studio is not required for ASP.NET development - not even for debugging. You never have to actually deal with the designer if you don't want to.
Oh... you didn't know that, did you? Just blabbering out of your ass to prove that anything related to Microsoft is a 'pile'.
A few hundred million PCs disagree with you, "the interest of the citizens" (whatever the fuck that means) notwithstanding. And of course it's the "same deal" with Microsoft... except that your "illegal monopoly" theory falls apart since AMD owns approximately 50% of the PC market, not to mention chipsets and embedded stuff. Intel is not a monopoly.
The 1 billion fab they built here in Phoenix (Chandler actually) and the next one should be paid for by... erm... the government? The Red Cross? The Boy Scouts?
This is exactly the same argument used with commercial software. OMFG THEY SELL IT FOR $300 A MILLION TIMES!!1! OMFG!!
Besides, the chips cost whatever the market will bear. No more, no less. Get used to it - it's called "capitalism" and it seems to have worked until now.
This type of 'article' with interesting 'statistics' only gets play here with the slashbots. No one else finds it scandalous, trust me.
Whomever is even remotely considering using a weapon of that sort against this country must be absolutely, unconditionally assured that we are willing to blow his (or his sponsors') ass back to the beggining of time when there was no toilet paper or tamagotchi. This (I hope) has been the basic unspoken doctrine after 9/11.
What many people who giggle at the idea of the 'giant being killed by a thousand mosquito bites' forget is that asymmetric warfare works both ways.
Yeah... except that that only applies to your account. Other accounts on the box can't use the fonts. And for some reason I had to reboot the box (!) in order for the fonts to show up anywhere.
I tried doing the su -> copy fonts to/usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/TTF (or wherever) -> mkttfontdir (or whatever) ->/sbin/service xfs restart but I kept getting a segfault from mkttfontdir and I gave up.
I'm no Unix newbie - I used CDE on HP-UX for a long time. But that was an 'utilitarian' who-cares-about-the-eyecandy desktop. Sure as heck never tried to install a font on CDE, jeeperz.
It's a basic thing that's just to fucking difficult.
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All the GNOME screenshots I've ever seen look absofuckinglutely fantastic - so fantastic in fact that I've never been able to duplicate them in my own machines. Ever.
I've always found that to be interesting, because I'm either stupid, they're cheating, or getting useable fonts in X is just too fucking hard. Much more than it needs to be.
get over it man, mysql in 2005 isn't what it was in 1998
Really. That's interesting, because I distinctly remember people (as in the religious advocates) telling me in no uncertain terms that MySQL was "better" in some nebulous way than Oracle and MSSQL. In 1999. And 2000. And 2001. And 2002. You get my drift, eh?
does calling mysql a "toy" make you feel like a guru or something?
No... nope. Just the facts ma'am.
IMHO ms access is the toy
Never said it wasn't. And yet Access has supported SPs (nee 'queries') since version 1. Referential integrity since version 2. And so on. Weird, huh? That doesn't make it less of a toy, of course.
There you go with that smart ass 'tude again
Well, I have a sort of fondness for SPs and triggers and UDFs and built-in diagramming and transformation services and meaningful metadata support and built-in scheduling and push/pull replication subscription systems and force-commit transaction recoverable stable storage and the like. I'm just weird that way.
I guess that pretty much puts your arguments to bed
I guess it does. I mean, ON UPDATE CASCADE was added to version 4.0.8. You only get row-level locking with InnoDB, which carries other problems if you wanted to use MyISAM to begin with. Come to think of it, Neither Oracle nor Sybase nor MSSQL asks me what 'type' of table I want to use... WTF? But anyway, these typical "OMFG MYSQL IS TEH BOMBZ" semi-sentient rants have been par for the course for many years. Why should I expect that to change? Sure, your database is the best in the world. Nothing even comes close to it. Happy?
You need a "shill" to tell you that OO is an unstable, ugly, slow piece of crap? The last time I tried it I could go more than 30 minutes on Write without it freezing on me for some reason. The presentation program (I forget the name) sucks rocks. A lot of shops use the version/change tracking feature in Word - where's that? Where's the interoperability with other applications, like portals (SharePoint)? Where's the half-decent desktop database (Access) that doesn't suck? Where's the collection of non-sucky clipart? Where's the non-sucky automation (VBA)? All of these things are dismissed by the other shills as "unecessary" "fluff" and "bloat", but businesses use them, and heavily. The reality is MS Office gets the job done, for $400 or whatever a pop.
OO is fine if you want to write letters and do simple spreadsheets. It's a perfectly fine office suite for the price. The OO folks have made great strides, but they have a long way to go. Yes, they unfortunately carry the onus of compatibility, adn they have to play catch up all the time. That's what happens when you enter a market, and whining about it will do you no good. Kill Microsoft on features and you'll see how robust your document conversion capabilities need to be.
It's not enough (no, it's not) to just sing the Open And Free Standards Song when I have to tell a user that there's no built-in research feature, the help system sucks to high heaven and the template system is kind of iffy. It's not enough because I'm essentially telling them that they need to choose between a shitload of crap and a crapload of shit. Since most simply don't care about open formats and the price is not an issue when you can't get half the stuff you used to done, chances are they'll stick with the smelly tried and true.
You don't need to be a "shill" to face reality - or ignore it.
Well yes.. um, that for the past six years it hasn't while all other 'real' databases had? Maybe?
I like MySQL, and I think 5 will be even better. Just don't give me that 'tude, please. Right now it's a toy database good for running blogs and the like.
you have heard of slashdot, no?
Yes, and given the amount of time the site spends spewing 503's I'd say that's not a great endorsement. But yes, MySQL scales very well.
not every database has to be oracle
No, just the one that requires SPs, triggers, referential integrity, UDFs, replication, row-level locking... you know. Things like that.
The "Windoze" (haw, haw!) version of MySQL 4.1 is an excellent product. Assuming one can get over MySQL's inherent problems, if you don't need niceties like SPs, UDFs, triggers and the like MySQL is perfect for those small departamental apps that were saddled by badly-designed Access databases.
The admin interface is great, though the other tools are not that hot. But since you can get to MySQL via ODBC, you can actually use any ODBC-compliant query/management tool to work with the data.
So don't worry about the "Windoze" version of MySQL, it's doing fine. We've replaced a few Access and MSDE setups with it, and I'm happy. We're also running a few applications internally (blogs and portals) that use it, and it also shines. No need to retrain devs/admins on Linux (though that's the ultimate objective, to move a lot of stuff over to it). It's not going to replace out MSSQL or Oracle databases, but then that's not the point.
In my planet there's a difference between a compile error and a defect. In the case of markup validation, a parser error is analogous to a compile error because, again, validation must be absolute. The fact that a page fails validation can be considered a defect, which while not my cup of tea I suppose is something people like you do. But then there's no point on generating "valid markup" and adding that DOCTYPE dec to begin with, is there?
So... what planet are you from? I hear that in Uranus compilers are allowed to generate object files if the developer merely wishes that to occur. That would be freakin' swheet.
ROFL. You know, I was talking to GCC the other day and I said comon now you evil compiler, it was just a typo! One letter in a 300,000 line app! Why don't you try being nicer for a change and go ahead and finish so Mr. Linker can take over, huh?
Validation is absolute. A page either validates or it doesn't.
So go buy your "support the troops" stickers or whatever, and I'll continue to keep saying "NUKE THE TROOPS."
You are what my old sociopolitics professor would call a "simplistic retard" - the kind of person who thinks the world should function and behave in a certain way, finds that it doesn't and then blames some vague geopolitical factor on the fact that reality is not what it should be - while becoming hopelessly radicalized in the process.
The world is full of little 'yous', arguing about how the US is evil because it doesn't do what you think it should and how unfair it all is to everyone else.
Ah, another diminished individual that thinks everyone who doesn't hate Bush must love Bush and all things republican. And Limbaugh, too!
How does it feel to go through life in this constant state of hysterical anger? Does it hurt when you laugh?
"Partisan fuck" indeed. You've got me all figured out. I was even going to feel slightly insulted when I noticed your link to Air America Radio. "Boo-hoo, don't give me your 'Limbaugh-Fu', but here's a link to the next worst thing". How utterly pathetic and sad.
I'll presently go "chew on a shotgun" as you so succintly recommend. I'm sure it's better than living with a damaged liver. But then again I'm sure your brain also secretes bile by now.
I suppose you had more information than the president by Tuesday morning about how bad it really all was. You have a crystal ball, right? Tuesday morning even the big news orgs were saying they didn't know what the fuck was happening out there. But by god, the president should have flown to New Orleans with a wetsuit and a shovel the moment the hurricane made landfall. Fuck me, how can we not see that.
budget to handle homeland security
The problem with this stupid argument is that whatever had happened you'd still be trying to make it stick. When it's 9/11, the government new about it and didn't stop it. If it had been a killer tornado that wiped out half of Oklahoma, you'd dig up an article about how the Evil Bush cut funding on research about tornados and prairie dogs -> ergo, Bush is to blame for the effects of the tornado. No, what am I saying - Bush is to blame for the hurricane as well. And if there's an earthquake tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be at fault as well. Because we all know that Bush can predict hurricanes and earthquakes and play guitar while they strike. Because he's evil.
or people closing their eyes to truth
Or retards trying to rationalize blaming things like these on the fucking president of the united states. You are the quintessential bullshit merchant - "the president smirked and played guitar while bodies floated". Praise the lord and pass the ammo. Oh, and here's a picture to prove it. Holy fucking shit.
You and all the million other quack Master Of Conspiracy do nothing but waste bandwidth in a pathetic effort to convince yourselves you're "informing" all of us poor innocent sods that live in denial about Bush's evilness. I suggest that if and when you have something more than some really innovative massaging of timelines and newsbytes to impress, you come back and try again. Until then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
This is interesting, but first, since you're attacking all americans with your ad-hominem bullshit, please tell us where you're from. Then we'll proceed.
Slashdot Mirror
Ahhhh... the event model. The ViewState thing. Yes. Of course an elitist retard like yourself would consider those to be "complicated and inelegant", but since you continue to post your uninformed idiotic bullshit 'opinions', I'll explain it to you. The WebForm model in ASP.NET is built on top of a bunch of HTTP request handler interfaces, which can use regex or wildcard-based pipe redirection and processing depending on context or content. So you can always design your own paradigm on top of that infrastructure. Or, you can get one of the frameworks out there that already do that. The WebForm thing is the entry-level, target the 80% developer base and make them productive. It's called 'the OOB experience', I'm sure you've heard of it. For the rest of us there's the powerful stuff underneath that can be easily extended.
Heck, maybe even you could come up with something that has your three fav buzzwords - "elegance coherence and beauty", though I seriously doubt you've written a line of non-application code in your life.
Hope that helps.
Oh... you didn't know that, did you? Just blabbering out of your ass to prove that anything related to Microsoft is a 'pile'.
I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
A few hundred million PCs disagree with you, "the interest of the citizens" (whatever the fuck that means) notwithstanding. And of course it's the "same deal" with Microsoft... except that your "illegal monopoly" theory falls apart since AMD owns approximately 50% of the PC market, not to mention chipsets and embedded stuff. Intel is not a monopoly.
Nice try though.
This is exactly the same argument used with commercial software. OMFG THEY SELL IT FOR $300 A MILLION TIMES!!1! OMFG!!
Besides, the chips cost whatever the market will bear. No more, no less. Get used to it - it's called "capitalism" and it seems to have worked until now.
This type of 'article' with interesting 'statistics' only gets play here with the slashbots. No one else finds it scandalous, trust me.
Hey, somebody actually modded you up to show you were 'right'. So, you must be 'right'. Congratulations!
So we agree then. Thanks.
If you can convince terrorists to "speak softly" I'll lobby the government to "play nice". Deal?
Holy fucking shit, when did we make the transition to "let's nuke Mecca"? Are you crazy?
No.
The problem with this whole idea is that it is going to hasten the creation of another arms race
And the alternative is... what? Unilateral disarmament? What?
What many people who giggle at the idea of the 'giant being killed by a thousand mosquito bites' forget is that asymmetric warfare works both ways.
I TRIED THAT!! It doesn't work. I'm running RH9 with XFCE. It just does not work. I must be doing something wrong.
Fuck you, you ridiculous elitist turd. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
Cheers.
Yeah... except that that only applies to your account. Other accounts on the box can't use the fonts. And for some reason I had to reboot the box (!) in order for the fonts to show up anywhere.
I tried doing the su -> copy fonts to /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/TTF (or wherever) -> mkttfontdir (or whatever) -> /sbin/service xfs restart but I kept getting a segfault from mkttfontdir and I gave up.
I'm no Unix newbie - I used CDE on HP-UX for a long time. But that was an 'utilitarian' who-cares-about-the-eyecandy desktop. Sure as heck never tried to install a font on CDE, jeeperz.
It's a basic thing that's just to fucking difficult.
Wow, when was that - in 2004? Yep.
Even OSX and Windows haven't done this yet
I don't know about OS X, but Windows does. Since 1999 (W2K).
which I find bemusing
Of course.
I've always found that to be interesting, because I'm either stupid, they're cheating, or getting useable fonts in X is just too fucking hard. Much more than it needs to be.
Really. That's interesting, because I distinctly remember people (as in the religious advocates) telling me in no uncertain terms that MySQL was "better" in some nebulous way than Oracle and MSSQL. In 1999. And 2000. And 2001. And 2002. You get my drift, eh?
does calling mysql a "toy" make you feel like a guru or something?
No... nope. Just the facts ma'am.
IMHO ms access is the toy
Never said it wasn't. And yet Access has supported SPs (nee 'queries') since version 1. Referential integrity since version 2. And so on. Weird, huh? That doesn't make it less of a toy, of course.
There you go with that smart ass 'tude again
Well, I have a sort of fondness for SPs and triggers and UDFs and built-in diagramming and transformation services and meaningful metadata support and built-in scheduling and push/pull replication subscription systems and force-commit transaction recoverable stable storage and the like. I'm just weird that way.
I guess that pretty much puts your arguments to bed
I guess it does. I mean, ON UPDATE CASCADE was added to version 4.0.8. You only get row-level locking with InnoDB, which carries other problems if you wanted to use MyISAM to begin with. Come to think of it, Neither Oracle nor Sybase nor MSSQL asks me what 'type' of table I want to use... WTF? But anyway, these typical "OMFG MYSQL IS TEH BOMBZ" semi-sentient rants have been par for the course for many years. Why should I expect that to change? Sure, your database is the best in the world. Nothing even comes close to it. Happy?
Feel free to go study up on the subject
Sure thing.
You need a "shill" to tell you that OO is an unstable, ugly, slow piece of crap? The last time I tried it I could go more than 30 minutes on Write without it freezing on me for some reason. The presentation program (I forget the name) sucks rocks. A lot of shops use the version/change tracking feature in Word - where's that? Where's the interoperability with other applications, like portals (SharePoint)? Where's the half-decent desktop database (Access) that doesn't suck? Where's the collection of non-sucky clipart? Where's the non-sucky automation (VBA)? All of these things are dismissed by the other shills as "unecessary" "fluff" and "bloat", but businesses use them, and heavily. The reality is MS Office gets the job done, for $400 or whatever a pop.
OO is fine if you want to write letters and do simple spreadsheets. It's a perfectly fine office suite for the price. The OO folks have made great strides, but they have a long way to go. Yes, they unfortunately carry the onus of compatibility, adn they have to play catch up all the time. That's what happens when you enter a market, and whining about it will do you no good. Kill Microsoft on features and you'll see how robust your document conversion capabilities need to be.
It's not enough (no, it's not) to just sing the Open And Free Standards Song when I have to tell a user that there's no built-in research feature, the help system sucks to high heaven and the template system is kind of iffy. It's not enough because I'm essentially telling them that they need to choose between a shitload of crap and a crapload of shit. Since most simply don't care about open formats and the price is not an issue when you can't get half the stuff you used to done, chances are they'll stick with the smelly tried and true.
You don't need to be a "shill" to face reality - or ignore it.
Well yes.. um, that for the past six years it hasn't while all other 'real' databases had? Maybe?
I like MySQL, and I think 5 will be even better. Just don't give me that 'tude, please. Right now it's a toy database good for running blogs and the like.
you have heard of slashdot, no?
Yes, and given the amount of time the site spends spewing 503's I'd say that's not a great endorsement. But yes, MySQL scales very well.
not every database has to be oracle
No, just the one that requires SPs, triggers, referential integrity, UDFs, replication, row-level locking... you know. Things like that.
For everything else, MySQL is fine.
The admin interface is great, though the other tools are not that hot. But since you can get to MySQL via ODBC, you can actually use any ODBC-compliant query/management tool to work with the data.
So don't worry about the "Windoze" version of MySQL, it's doing fine. We've replaced a few Access and MSDE setups with it, and I'm happy. We're also running a few applications internally (blogs and portals) that use it, and it also shines. No need to retrain devs/admins on Linux (though that's the ultimate objective, to move a lot of stuff over to it). It's not going to replace out MSSQL or Oracle databases, but then that's not the point.
"Windoze"? Haw, haw!
In my planet there's a difference between a compile error and a defect. In the case of markup validation, a parser error is analogous to a compile error because, again, validation must be absolute. The fact that a page fails validation can be considered a defect, which while not my cup of tea I suppose is something people like you do. But then there's no point on generating "valid markup" and adding that DOCTYPE dec to begin with, is there?
So... what planet are you from? I hear that in Uranus compilers are allowed to generate object files if the developer merely wishes that to occur. That would be freakin' swheet.
Validation is absolute. A page either validates or it doesn't.
You are what my old sociopolitics professor would call a "simplistic retard" - the kind of person who thinks the world should function and behave in a certain way, finds that it doesn't and then blames some vague geopolitical factor on the fact that reality is not what it should be - while becoming hopelessly radicalized in the process.
The world is full of little 'yous', arguing about how the US is evil because it doesn't do what you think it should and how unfair it all is to everyone else.
Why am I not shocked.
How does it feel to go through life in this constant state of hysterical anger? Does it hurt when you laugh?
"Partisan fuck" indeed. You've got me all figured out. I was even going to feel slightly insulted when I noticed your link to Air America Radio. "Boo-hoo, don't give me your 'Limbaugh-Fu', but here's a link to the next worst thing". How utterly pathetic and sad.
I'll presently go "chew on a shotgun" as you so succintly recommend. I'm sure it's better than living with a damaged liver. But then again I'm sure your brain also secretes bile by now.
Run along now.
I suppose you had more information than the president by Tuesday morning about how bad it really all was. You have a crystal ball, right? Tuesday morning even the big news orgs were saying they didn't know what the fuck was happening out there. But by god, the president should have flown to New Orleans with a wetsuit and a shovel the moment the hurricane made landfall. Fuck me, how can we not see that.
budget to handle homeland security
The problem with this stupid argument is that whatever had happened you'd still be trying to make it stick. When it's 9/11, the government new about it and didn't stop it. If it had been a killer tornado that wiped out half of Oklahoma, you'd dig up an article about how the Evil Bush cut funding on research about tornados and prairie dogs -> ergo, Bush is to blame for the effects of the tornado. No, what am I saying - Bush is to blame for the hurricane as well. And if there's an earthquake tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be at fault as well. Because we all know that Bush can predict hurricanes and earthquakes and play guitar while they strike. Because he's evil.
or people closing their eyes to truth
Or retards trying to rationalize blaming things like these on the fucking president of the united states. You are the quintessential bullshit merchant - "the president smirked and played guitar while bodies floated". Praise the lord and pass the ammo. Oh, and here's a picture to prove it. Holy fucking shit.
You and all the million other quack Master Of Conspiracy do nothing but waste bandwidth in a pathetic effort to convince yourselves you're "informing" all of us poor innocent sods that live in denial about Bush's evilness. I suggest that if and when you have something more than some really innovative massaging of timelines and newsbytes to impress, you come back and try again. Until then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
Thanks.