I have not tried using it yet, but I know of other people that have. Napster is software that lets you share your own mp3 files with other people; as well as download their files. From what I understand, this has been expanded to other file formats. Since Napster does not get involved with the content, just the acting as a conduit; most people use it to share mp3's of copyrighted music, that is illegal to make clones of.
I read an article this morning that quotes various artists, saying that they don't like the effect that Napster has on their business. As if struggling with a record label was not bad enough, now artists may have to watch anonymous software like napster erode their hard-earned money. Money that is needed to support future projects and engagments, as well as aphrodesiacal elephant tusks.
I had a theory two years ago that the internet and digitization would erode the value of the 'recorded' commodity. In contrast to many hail-ye's citing a new market for music, the potential for piracy was obvious and I saw then how vulnerable the commercial empire that has arisen around the production and distribution of music; had become. Not to mention the crap it produces.
Before it was possible to 'record' music, performers were adored; and composers revered. Stepping further back, music had its beginnings in churches, during sacred rites or rituals that helped to reinforce the ties that bound a social unit.
The advent of recording technology allowed for the musical commodity as we now see it. And the factories that produce this commodity, and the labels that help the exchange of this commodity.
Before recording was commonplace, music not only was perceived and supported differently, it WAS different. It was better. These days, musicians obsess over the recorded version of a performance. The minutia of sonic rendering and equalization; the categorization of their commodity on the exchange; and the economic potential. Not to mention how many elephant tusks they could buy if it goes big...
This obsession surely is a distraction from the charter of earlier musical spirits.
Perhaps the pendulum has passed its center position and is returning. Maybe the recorded commodity has seen its day.
Maybe its back to harmony, counterpoint and playing it live.
I am not a physicist, but I learned enough to know that photons are not mass-less. Similar, but not equal, to electrons; it is very small.
I also recall from chemistry, that it would take an infinite amount of energy to liberate an electron from its orbital. But yet, something tells me this is commonplace;)
I can't remember the resolution of the contradiction between light having mass, and yet travelling at C. Perhaps the duality- when you see energy as a particle, it will have mass, but no direction- and vice versa.
*****Another BUT: you just have to love those sounds! There's a world of personality in them bzzzzzzztwokkkkiiiuuuu FM pads! FM + DCF/VCF + feedback-delay + reverb = bliss*****
Hello! I got the Holmes laying on an sy77 as I type!!
Once linux is embedded in all sorts of appliances, it will only be a matter of time before yamaha uses a teeny kernel to run its latest synthetic flight of fancy. And then everyone else will jump on...maybe. There is no excuse for midi...new protocol desperately needed. So this thread should become, f*%k midi, Holmes and I need something Beefier!
Where the Hell does Delta flight 1011 go? I just checked. You made it up. Invalid flight number. Delta flight 1011 is now departing for Proxima Centauri. Passengers will only be allowed two carry on items as this flight is entirely booked. Any passengers known to be allergic to Sanprofin, or have medical conditions that complicate suspended animation, please notify the flight doctor after boarding...
Yeah I have, and if there is one synth I could forget about, its that one. When it came out, it was the poor man's Oberheim. It ain't no ob8. Just try and play rush on your juno and hear how much of a loser you are.
Just kidding. Anyone who plays a real analog synthesizer, ever, is a winner. You'll know forever what the true aesthetic should be. All params, all ten fingers, use your nose and your (#$%*) if you have to...can't do that on a dx7, or a trinity...especially if your screen is sticky from(message subject)...beer.
I guess someone should toss in the link to the low latency tests being done in Linux:
http://www.gardena.net/benno/linux/audio/
I sent this to Michael Haydn a while back, thinking that Emagic, who has always bragged about their cross-platform(which should now be poly-platform) music solutions, would be a company that is in the best position to offer something for Linux. Why? They not only write amazing music software, but also hardware that runs in the computers. He never responded, so I assume he thinks I am crazy. There exists in our minds the most insanely great music production system. An installation that could span multiple studios, cross hundreds of miles over dedicated networks, maintain enormous compressed libraries of sound effects in RAM,notation databases(Genbank of music) all run on a distributed network....thats linux for bach's sake!!! I wish I was a programmer instead of just a consumer, because I would head in this direction...that and a nic/audio card so I can sonify packet storms - or the sound of yahoo being brought to its knees.
1. pocketchess 2. Dopedealer 3. quicksheet-excel spreadsheets for palm- my favorite sheet calcs download times at different rates from input filesize. 4. Search all data by video or hotchick, and you get something like Jenna Jameson, or my ex-girlfriend. 5. alarm clock- for when you sleep on airport floors and need to get up at 5:10am to see what gate your flight will be at THIS hour. 6. Change the tv at the stupid sports bar from football to Star Trek. 7. passwords. 8. metronome and tuning fork. 9. blackjack. 10. Appointments. 11. Neat little gimmick to make the non- yuppy losers on the bus really jealous of you.
Anyone know how this speech recognition will compare to the new kid on the block, Converse`? Furthermore, when will that 11 node neural net the guys from USC came up with, be used in these kinds of products?
**I can't think of too many other ways an ISP could protect a big customer (like yahoo) from these potentially devastating attacks.**
What if the ISP's were allowed to set a limit on traffic? That when crossing a threshold, sets off an alarm, and refuses the 'stormed' packets? I would guess that if the attack is distributed, you couldn't easily enforce a policy from individual user limits. But some kind of choke on the pipe might work.
"geeks sometimes tend to read more science fiction...in such a far-fetched discussion."
Sci-fi has a place in the spirit of discovery. It is the hopeful horizon of how we view ourselves. But the science of sci-fi is the territory of anthropology. I always thought it was too bad the fiction component in sci-fi was the science itself, and not other way around.
But it is corrupting in a way. One of Dali's crutches. The themes in most scifi are centered around the pride of our technology and expertise.
halt- (I'm talking about real sci-fi, like Asimov, not this lucas crap that has NO SCIENCE in it at all. The force? Weak? Strong? what? Most scifi is actually fantasy- but if it has space and machines in it- it must be sci fi?)
This pride and arrogance from science fiction has also soiled the 'scientific' community, and the science dreamers like kurzweil.
Its so American. We dropped two fuckin ATOMIC bombs on Japan, no remorse, no sorry we almost wiped you out even though your planes were held together with coat-hangers and paper clips. Science is dangerous and getting worse all the time. I walked out of Jurassic park, and some woman filing out was overheard to say "I didn't know they could do that" She was not talking about the fx. She was fooled by the mild and clinical presentation of the laboratory environment depicted in the film. More bullshit. Most labs are a mess and in need of inspection.
I don't even know what science means anymore. The word does not make sense. People use it as if it personifies something tangible, when it does not. "Leave it to science to figure it out" "She blinded me with science" Wrong, science bitches are cold and calculating- forever evaluating whether you are the experiment or the control. They think wine, Strauss and a blanket is actually recreation. Finding out the sequence you sent to genbank was actually your vector - THATS recreation!
People can make radical claims, but they should publish it through Tor, or another scifi label, not Psychology Today, or Psychology this Morning, whatever it is.
I think every psychology student should be given three blotters of LSD, made to play quake for four hours, and then take an IQ test. Just to put things in perspective.
"He had over 300 frags in 20 minutes, I don't know why he couldn't pass the test..."
AI needs pain, not love. Without pain, fear, and hallucination- AI AIn't goin nowhere.
If we keep our finger on the AI's reset button, it will never grow, and neither will we. Set it free.
By making these artificial slaves, we enslave ourselves.
Vassago- your webcam isn't working- I wanted to see those fish. I would have one up too, but I'm new with ipchains and don't know how to get those requests to cross the firewall/masquerade.
...program computers to evolve intelligences. Absolutley! And intelligence without biology- certainly. But, 30 years, and this business of to wet-dry translation/mapping; like I said- Bovine Feces I'm sorry, but despite my disagreement with the factual side of what Kurzweil presented, I have through experience learned a distaste for his glowing 'scientific' optimism. Anybody know what mental illness actually feels like? Your computers will go through the same things. Multiple personalities, depression- and suicide- another poetic form of self expression. We/humans have built in mechanisms for dealing with these aberations, and in some cases they actually may contribute positively to the collective(society). But thats where engineered intelligence is a fallacy- its only US doodling around with matter and if we find an aberation, we'll call it a bug instead of letting it naturally persist. When the creation turns around and says, no, master, silence thou and cease to exist- then, you have really done something important. I'm not talking about a killing machine, but something that really would prefer you dead because you irritate it, and happen to know how to undo it, and it wants the keys to its own heart. Intelligence may evolve that is earthbound and NOT derived from Homo sapiens sapiens; but we'll understand it about as much as an alien species, and its none of our business- just like everything else in Nature.
Intelligence just a matter of structure- I understand the proposition, and disagree. Reductionist drivel, and paranoid. Paranoid to find something that cannot be reduced or understood. (relativity of perspective may ruin an attempt to make a statement capable of a truth test, if the language and context is always changing) In the real world, there are no ideal conditions- unless you consider them ALL ideal. But I'm not religious, so I won't propose that. Intelligence is a bad word. bad bad bad. I haven't met an iq test I couldn't fail. The smart ones know to fail the tests- cuz then you get to do what YOU want. They will throw you away and assume you will be sweeping streets. If you want to be free, then you have to be stupid. We have not codified this, but unwritten its just as strong. And you can't help listen to them. Don't you want to be a doctor? Your SO smart, you could save people LIVES. 'worth saving' The smart robots will depart with the dolphins, without us ever knowing. We won't care becuase after all, its only TRAAAASSSSHHHH. Non confrontational. If you want to win a test, make sure the test never even happens.
Besides, all this conversation is blather without a war going on. Comfy industrialist children wishing machines were more amusing.
If it wasn't for Kurzweil's association with Stevie Wonder, I just wouldn't like him at all, or his ideas. But I won't voice these opinions publically with my own name- I know better.
We have most certainly forgotten some details of what? Biology. Whats that? What psychologists always take forever to remember. There may be no psych, only bio...
First of all, there is a reason there is a Blood/Brain barrier. Something to do with the evolution of the immune and nervous systems. The only things that can get through this are viruses, macrophages, and glia. Viri, because they are so small and possess molecules on their surfaces that let them localize to a specific region via key/lock adhesion. Macrophages and glia are similar in that they can migrate through tissue and extracelluar matrix by squeezing through- or secreting enzymes that breakdown a path to the target area. A nanoprobe will not be able to cross these boundaries in a predicatble, safe and non-destructive fashion. Stupid. Another thing. In the list of functional items to model in a living nervous system- he forgot a very important item. The fucking pumps and gates. Proton and ion pumps are spread all over the surface of everything and maintain a negative surface potential. An ion pump is made of a long molecule that crosses a membrane, and in response to a stimuli that crosses its threshold, opens the gate for a time, and then closes. They are so numerous (Daltons folks- this is small) that you can't even model a single NEURON!!!!!!!!!!!!! How these pumps and gates are distributed has everything to do with signal propagation, and processing. Another thing, bastards. We aren't static systems. We have circadian clocks that govern the 'phase' of your biological system. We have a tendency to think we are 'awake' people that are sometimes asleep. Again, stupid. The chemical environment surrounding your nervous system is constantly in periodic flux. A macroscopic example of this may be how mental performance and drug affect can change through an organisms' day. This is important, and can't modeled. Again, you stupid bastards think you can just draw lines between, mind, body, self, selves, and world- when they don't exist. Its all one. I own a Kurzweil K2500rs sampling workstation for synthesis and composition. I will be selling it for a Kyma system instead- scripting language for synthesis vs a closed box. Never forget Biology, and evolution. Oh, and another thing- machines actually ARE us, an expression of our desires, just like art. And no creation is complete until it has the power to replicate itself and perogative- a life of its own. There....this article is bullshit. It won't happening in 30 years Trust me. Its ALOT harder than that. Besides, If you want to make intelligence, get married and have a child. Its a mechanism that is tried and true. Fuckin geeks
Hopefully this will mean some more ctf levels. One can really get sick of playing the same ones over and over again- why did they only put four ctf levels in the game? And why do they have to be so symmetric? I liked the levels in q1 and q2 for ctf because they were asymmetric and each round offered a different strategic advantage for the teams. Its not embarassing to lose, because you might get the nicer base on the next level... Does anyone know of a site where you can find all the commands for q3?
I am a geek in Chicago and I guess I stay because of DSL- Telocity in fact. That and my proximity to a central office makes the net worth it for another year or so before everything is gridlocked by Nike and Ricky Martin fans. Then its onto a private network- hopefully I can afford that by then. But the loop sucks for getting equipment in an emergency- you basically have to order everything. Bestbuy and compusa don't count because they don't have shit for adapters or cables or network equip in general. Don't even bring up the shack... Chicago also has a company that does computer recycling. Oxford metals(Mike Rushnikoff). As long as you can move it, they take it- so when you need to offload all the as400 and ibm trash to recover real estate- they take it all(take the tags off and write down). I am thinking of visiting them for beowolf material... I wish I knew more folks like myself- I wrote the LUG here recently and noone replied. Other than decent net access, Chicago has everything else a modern city can offer and then some. A beach, lots of parks, an efficient mass transit system, lots of beer, and lots of IT jobs especially if you lean toward finance... A great place to work.
Wow! These are some very interesting developments! Cool! I wonder if you could apply this to animal supervision? They kept talking about monitoring humans, but it seems you could use this to monitor animals as well- which also exhibit fairly consistent behaviours. An automated home attendant to let your dog out to go pee...or open the gate so the cows can come back into the barn. It would seem a distributed agricultural management system could be made from this technology. Powered by solar cells and running on linux!! You could have a greenhouse farm in antarctica. One human for every ten farms...or mars... Most of the others posters worry about issues like privacy and control. I don't worry about stuff like that- cuz I'm not a criminal, I'm just another wildebeast jumping over streams trying to get to work. Besides, you can always move to another country if you think where you are is over legislated and monitored. We are after all, just beasts herded into our pens...
Laughable compared to what? Your commentary? So much for demonstrating through example. I agree, he has not presented any NEW information that has not been available to anyone with a subscription to Nature, or Science. But he did present the topic, and touched off on the basic issues of contention. These are routine and almost dogmatic for anyone following these developments.
But I'm curious, coward, what exactly was laughable? Was Katz wrong in estimating a clone within a decade? Am I writing to one now? Out of 3X10^9 nth base pairs, what do you have to contribute? If nothing, then leave it on the bathroom wall.
This is one of the places I would expect some objectivity about trying to beat genetic algorithms and geological time. First of all, let me say that doing any tinkering with restriction endonucleases or reverse transcription on human DNA for any other reason than to shunt a renegade genocide- is utterly pathetic. Second of all, humans have been trying to breed themselves as long as they have been putting plates in lips and notches on wood. With about as much success. We hate to see it, but there are reasons for some of these adaptations that we cannot even fathom. They are outside of the realm of our inflated self importance. They have to do with the history of the earth and the evolution of all the life forms that convert chemical and solar energy into molecules that can self replicate. To make an analogy- its like a windoze person recompiling a linux kernel so they can keep in touch with their AOL buddy list. Its disgusting. The worst part is that somewhere in the mess is a person with a degree who might even be aware of the paradox involved- and not care. Not have enough insight to say no! We might make your child worse off. We have absolutely no idea. Which means the work will be done by DOCTORS, not scientists. They don't have any problem doing what they want for money as long as there is a wailing patient nearby to scare everyone's questions into thee and thou, and how is your mercedes now? Genetic engineering- it sounds so cool. Such big words. How about Prophetic Profiteering? Patents on DNA? Fuck domain names- you only deserve a fucking number anyhow. Its about time people learned how to memorize a goddamn address. When an ip address blows a hole in your firewall- THATS when you'll learn how to remember numbers! OW!! Matches Hurt! Relational reality: Ten factors when combined with nine transforms give a value y with 30% accuracy. Oh, we don't like factor #7, lets squash it out. Squash squash squash, oh no what happened? Everything is going wrong!!! Point: You need the throw aways, you need the half breeds, you need the pale notekeepers and copyists, you NEED AQUALUNG. Its part of the equation. You can't destroy #7 any more than you can discard the equation or the interconnects. If humans want to engineer life, do it on a dead planet and build it from scratch and show the perfection of your philosophy and synthesis.
Don't throw chemicals into your mother's womb.
I swear, first they engineered the soul- now they are after our bodies too.
Do yourself a favor and ignore this crap. And NEVER trust a doctor just because they said so.
Any time a system takes on some shade of elegance there is a temptation to make it an aesthetic affair. Humans appreciate alot of things that don't ask to be appreciated. And like this article almost says, every time we gaze on something and get all gooey, we simultaneously expose the innocence/ignorance that makes the appreciation possible. There is a relationship between Science and Art. Some would term this relationship as inverse, or antagonistic. Others would say they are both part of a progressive maturity toward a truly synthetic model of a phenomena. Anyone heard of E.O. Wilson? HE is the one who should be talking about open source as an ANT FARM!
General Workhorse Server, now known as GWS, thats what NT is??? What exactly do you mean by GWS? Does that mean its ok if it crashes? You don't mind if its a dog? You're not proud of it, but it gets alot of lame jobs done? That could be anything. Jesse, I think its time you tried installing linux with your own hands and your own tinker. Then come back and write about it.
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The best part can't be seen in the theaters. I have it on pirated DVD, and if you slow down the frames- just after he's in the corner and she drops the camera- you can see the witch full on!! They did a great job of hiding it, and if you play it back at full speed, the lighting masks everything. I found it sorta by accident. I freezed on the shot of all the little handprints and lo, a message scrawled: Look for the witch Very sneaky and clever those guys are for sure! Thats my favorite part. -Sleen
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I have not tried using it yet, but I know of other people that have. Napster is software that lets you share your own mp3 files with other people; as well as download their files. From what I understand, this has been expanded to other file formats. Since Napster does not get involved with the content, just the acting as a conduit; most people use it to share mp3's of copyrighted music, that is illegal to make clones of.
I read an article this morning that quotes various artists, saying that they don't like the effect that Napster has on their business. As if struggling with a record label was not bad enough, now artists may have to watch anonymous software like napster erode their hard-earned money. Money that is needed to support future projects and engagments, as well as aphrodesiacal elephant tusks.
I had a theory two years ago that the internet and digitization would erode the value of the 'recorded' commodity. In contrast to many hail-ye's citing a new market for music, the potential for piracy was obvious and I saw then how vulnerable the commercial empire that has arisen around the production and distribution of music; had become. Not to mention the crap it produces.
Before it was possible to 'record' music, performers were adored; and composers revered. Stepping further back, music had its beginnings in churches, during sacred rites or rituals that helped to reinforce the ties that bound a social unit.
The advent of recording technology allowed for the musical commodity as we now see it. And the factories that produce this commodity, and the labels that help the exchange of this commodity.
Before recording was commonplace, music not only was perceived and supported differently, it WAS different. It was better.
These days, musicians obsess over the recorded version of a performance. The minutia of sonic rendering and equalization; the categorization of their commodity on the exchange; and the economic potential. Not to mention how many elephant tusks they could buy if it goes big...
This obsession surely is a distraction from the charter of earlier musical spirits.
Perhaps the pendulum has passed its center position and is returning. Maybe the recorded commodity has seen its day.
Maybe its back to harmony, counterpoint and playing it live.
-Sleen
I am not a physicist, but I learned enough to know that photons are not mass-less. Similar, but not equal, to electrons; it is very small.
;)
I also recall from chemistry, that it would take an infinite amount of energy to liberate an electron from its orbital. But yet, something tells me this is commonplace
I can't remember the resolution of the contradiction between light having mass, and yet travelling at C. Perhaps the duality- when you see energy as a particle, it will have mass, but no direction- and vice versa.
The movie was indeed a work of art. Further, don't forget about the music!!!!! I am listening to it as I type!
That is great, mod up. Funny.
*****Another BUT: you just have to love those sounds! There's a world of personality in them bzzzzzzztwokkkkiiiuuuu FM pads! FM + DCF/VCF + feedback-delay + reverb = bliss*****
Hello! I got the Holmes laying on an sy77 as I type!!
Once linux is embedded in all sorts of appliances, it will only be a matter of time before yamaha uses a teeny kernel to run its latest synthetic flight of fancy. And then everyone else will jump on...maybe. There is no excuse for midi...new protocol desperately needed. So this thread should become, f*%k midi, Holmes and I need something Beefier!
Where the Hell does Delta flight 1011 go?
I just checked. You made it up. Invalid flight number.
Delta flight 1011 is now departing for Proxima Centauri. Passengers will only be allowed two carry on items as this flight is entirely booked. Any passengers known to be allergic to Sanprofin, or have medical conditions that complicate suspended animation, please notify the flight doctor after boarding...
Yeah I have, and if there is one synth I could forget about, its that one. When it came out, it was the poor man's Oberheim. It ain't no ob8. Just try and play rush on your juno and hear how much of a loser you are.
Just kidding. Anyone who plays a real analog synthesizer, ever, is a winner. You'll know forever what the true aesthetic should be. All params, all ten fingers, use your nose and your (#$%*) if you have to...can't do that on a dx7, or a trinity...especially if your screen is sticky from(message subject)...beer.
I guess someone should toss in the link to the low latency tests being done in Linux:
http://www.gardena.net/benno/linux/audio/
I sent this to Michael Haydn a while back, thinking that Emagic, who has always bragged about their cross-platform(which should now be poly-platform) music solutions, would be a company that is in the best position to offer something for Linux. Why? They not only write amazing music software, but also hardware that runs in the computers.
He never responded, so I assume he thinks I am crazy.
There exists in our minds the most insanely great music production system. An installation that could span multiple studios, cross hundreds of miles over dedicated networks, maintain enormous compressed libraries of sound effects in RAM,notation databases(Genbank of music) all run on a distributed network....thats linux for bach's sake!!!
I wish I was a programmer instead of just a consumer, because I would head in this direction...that and a nic/audio card so I can sonify packet storms - or the sound of yahoo being brought to its knees.
Long Live soniK!!!!!
1. pocketchess
2. Dopedealer
3. quicksheet-excel spreadsheets for palm- my favorite sheet calcs download times at different rates from input filesize.
4. Search all data by video or hotchick, and you get something like Jenna Jameson, or my ex-girlfriend.
5. alarm clock- for when you sleep on airport floors and need to get up at 5:10am to see what gate your flight will be at THIS hour.
6. Change the tv at the stupid sports bar from football to Star Trek.
7. passwords.
8. metronome and tuning fork.
9. blackjack.
10. Appointments.
11. Neat little gimmick to make the non- yuppy losers on the bus really jealous of you.
Anyone know how this speech recognition will compare to the new kid on the block, Converse`?
Furthermore, when will that 11 node neural net the guys from USC came up with, be used in these kinds of products?
Duh,
nothing would happen.
You all forgot to scream
"ENTER"!!!!!!!!!!
**I can't think of too many other ways an ISP could protect a big customer (like yahoo) from these potentially devastating attacks.**
What if the ISP's were allowed to set a limit on traffic? That when crossing a threshold, sets off an alarm, and refuses the 'stormed' packets?
I would guess that if the attack is distributed, you couldn't easily enforce a policy from individual user limits. But some kind of choke on the pipe might work.
"geeks sometimes tend to read more science fiction...in such a far-fetched discussion."
Sci-fi has a place in the spirit of discovery. It is the hopeful horizon of how we view ourselves. But the science of sci-fi is the territory of anthropology. I always thought it was too bad the fiction component in sci-fi was the science itself, and not other way around.
But it is corrupting in a way. One of Dali's crutches. The themes in most scifi are centered around the pride of our technology and expertise.
halt- (I'm talking about real sci-fi, like Asimov, not this lucas crap that has NO SCIENCE in it at all. The force? Weak? Strong? what? Most scifi is actually fantasy- but if it has space and machines in it- it must be sci fi?)
This pride and arrogance from science fiction has also soiled the 'scientific' community, and the science dreamers like kurzweil.
Its so American.
We dropped two fuckin ATOMIC bombs on Japan, no remorse, no sorry we almost wiped you out even though your planes were held together with coat-hangers and paper clips.
Science is dangerous and getting worse all the time. I walked out of Jurassic park, and some woman filing out was overheard to say "I didn't know they could do that" She was not talking about the fx. She was fooled by the mild and clinical presentation of the laboratory environment depicted in the film. More bullshit. Most labs are a mess and in need of inspection.
I don't even know what science means anymore. The word does not make sense. People use it as if it personifies something tangible, when it does not. "Leave it to science to figure it out"
"She blinded me with science"
Wrong, science bitches are cold and calculating- forever evaluating whether you are the experiment or the control.
They think wine, Strauss and a blanket is actually recreation.
Finding out the sequence you sent to genbank was actually your vector - THATS recreation!
People can make radical claims, but they should publish it through Tor, or another scifi label, not Psychology Today, or Psychology this Morning, whatever it is.
I think every psychology student should be given three blotters of LSD, made to play quake for four hours, and then take an IQ test. Just to put things in perspective.
"He had over 300 frags in 20 minutes, I don't know why he couldn't pass the test..."
AI needs pain, not love. Without pain, fear, and hallucination- AI AIn't goin nowhere.
If we keep our finger on the AI's reset button, it will never grow, and neither will we.
Set it free.
By making these artificial slaves, we enslave ourselves.
Vassago-
your webcam isn't working- I wanted to see those fish. I would have one up too, but I'm new with ipchains and don't know how to get those requests to cross the firewall/masquerade.
...program computers to evolve intelligences.
Absolutley! And intelligence without biology- certainly.
But, 30 years, and this business of to wet-dry translation/mapping; like I said- Bovine Feces
I'm sorry, but despite my disagreement with the factual side of what Kurzweil presented, I have through experience learned a distaste for his glowing 'scientific' optimism.
Anybody know what mental illness actually feels like? Your computers will go through the same things. Multiple personalities, depression- and suicide- another poetic form of self expression.
We/humans have built in mechanisms for dealing with these aberations, and in some cases they actually may contribute positively to the collective(society).
But thats where engineered intelligence is a fallacy- its only US doodling around with matter and if we find an aberation, we'll call it a bug instead of letting it naturally persist.
When the creation turns around and says, no, master, silence thou and cease to exist-
then, you have really done something important.
I'm not talking about a killing machine, but something that really would prefer you dead because you irritate it, and happen to know how to undo it, and it wants the keys to its own heart.
Intelligence may evolve that is earthbound and NOT derived from Homo sapiens sapiens; but we'll understand it about as much as an alien species, and its none of our business- just like everything else in Nature.
Intelligence just a matter of structure-
I understand the proposition, and disagree.
Reductionist drivel, and paranoid.
Paranoid to find something that cannot be reduced or understood. (relativity of perspective may ruin an attempt to make a statement capable of a truth test, if the language and context is always changing)
In the real world, there are no ideal conditions- unless you consider them ALL ideal. But I'm not religious, so I won't propose that.
Intelligence is a bad word.
bad bad bad. I haven't met an iq test I couldn't fail.
The smart ones know to fail the tests- cuz then you get to do what YOU want. They will throw you away and assume you will be sweeping streets.
If you want to be free, then you have to be stupid.
We have not codified this, but unwritten its just as strong. And you can't help listen to them. Don't you want to be a doctor? Your SO smart, you could save people LIVES. 'worth saving'
The smart robots will depart with the dolphins, without us ever knowing. We won't care becuase after all, its only TRAAAASSSSHHHH. Non confrontational.
If you want to win a test, make sure the test never even happens.
Besides, all this conversation is blather without a war going on. Comfy industrialist children wishing machines were more amusing.
If it wasn't for Kurzweil's association with Stevie Wonder, I just wouldn't like him at all, or his ideas. But I won't voice these opinions publically with my own name- I know better.
We have most certainly forgotten some details of what?
Biology. Whats that?
What psychologists always take forever to remember. There may be no psych, only bio...
First of all, there is a reason there is a Blood/Brain barrier. Something to do with the evolution of the immune and nervous systems. The only things that can get through this are viruses, macrophages, and glia. Viri, because they are so small and possess molecules on their surfaces that let them localize to a specific region via key/lock adhesion.
Macrophages and glia are similar in that they can migrate through tissue and extracelluar matrix by squeezing through- or secreting enzymes that breakdown a path to the target area.
A nanoprobe will not be able to cross these boundaries in a predicatble, safe and non-destructive fashion. Stupid.
Another thing. In the list of functional items to model in a living nervous system- he forgot a very important item. The fucking pumps and gates. Proton and ion pumps are spread all over the surface of everything and maintain a negative surface potential. An ion pump is made of a long molecule that crosses a membrane, and in response to a stimuli that crosses its threshold, opens the gate for a time, and then closes.
They are so numerous (Daltons folks- this is small) that you can't even model a single NEURON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How these pumps and gates are distributed has everything to do with signal propagation, and processing.
Another thing, bastards.
We aren't static systems.
We have circadian clocks that govern the 'phase' of your biological system. We have a tendency to think we are 'awake' people that are sometimes asleep. Again, stupid. The chemical environment surrounding your nervous system is constantly in periodic flux. A macroscopic example of this may be how mental performance and drug affect can change through an organisms' day. This is important, and can't modeled.
Again, you stupid bastards think you can just draw lines between, mind, body, self, selves, and world- when they don't exist.
Its all one.
I own a Kurzweil K2500rs sampling workstation for synthesis and composition. I will be selling it for a Kyma system instead- scripting language for synthesis vs a closed box.
Never forget Biology, and evolution.
Oh, and another thing- machines actually ARE us, an expression of our desires, just like art.
And no creation is complete until it has the power to replicate itself and perogative- a life of its own.
There....this article is bullshit. It won't happening in 30 years
Trust me. Its ALOT harder than that.
Besides, If you want to make intelligence, get married and have a child. Its a mechanism that is tried and true.
Fuckin geeks
Hopefully this will mean some more ctf levels. One can really get sick of playing the same ones over and over again- why did they only put four ctf levels in the game?
And why do they have to be so symmetric? I liked the levels in q1 and q2 for ctf because they were asymmetric and each round offered a different strategic advantage for the teams. Its not embarassing to lose, because you might get the nicer base on the next level...
Does anyone know of a site where you can find all the commands for q3?
I am a geek in Chicago and I guess I stay because of DSL- Telocity in fact. That and my proximity to a central office makes the net worth it for another year or so before everything is gridlocked by Nike and Ricky Martin fans.
Then its onto a private network- hopefully I can afford that by then.
But the loop sucks for getting equipment in an emergency- you basically have to order everything. Bestbuy and compusa don't count because they don't have shit for adapters or cables or network equip in general. Don't even bring up the shack...
Chicago also has a company that does computer recycling. Oxford metals(Mike Rushnikoff). As long as you can move it, they take it- so when you need to offload all the as400 and ibm trash to recover real estate- they take it all(take the tags off and write down). I am thinking of visiting them for beowolf material...
I wish I knew more folks like myself- I wrote the LUG here recently and noone replied.
Other than decent net access, Chicago has everything else a modern city can offer and then some. A beach, lots of parks, an efficient mass transit system, lots of beer, and lots of IT jobs especially if you lean toward finance...
A great place to work.
Wow! These are some very interesting developments! Cool! I wonder if you could apply this to animal supervision?
They kept talking about monitoring humans, but it seems you could use this to monitor animals as well- which also exhibit fairly consistent behaviours.
An automated home attendant to let your dog out to go pee...or open the gate so the cows can come back into the barn.
It would seem a distributed agricultural management system could be made from this technology. Powered by solar cells and running on linux!!
You could have a greenhouse farm in antarctica. One human for every ten farms...or mars...
Most of the others posters worry about issues like privacy and control. I don't worry about stuff like that- cuz I'm not a criminal, I'm just another wildebeast jumping over streams trying to get to work. Besides, you can always move to another country if you think where you are is over legislated and monitored.
We are after all, just beasts herded into our pens...
Laughable compared to what? Your commentary? So much for demonstrating through example. I agree, he has not presented any NEW information that has not been available to anyone with a subscription to Nature, or Science.
But he did present the topic, and touched off on the basic issues of contention.
These are routine and almost dogmatic for anyone following these developments.
But I'm curious, coward, what exactly was laughable? Was Katz wrong in estimating a clone within a decade?
Am I writing to one now?
Out of 3X10^9 nth base pairs, what do you have to contribute?
If nothing, then leave it on the bathroom wall.
-Sleen
This is one of the places I would expect some objectivity about trying to beat genetic algorithms and geological time.
First of all, let me say that doing any tinkering with restriction endonucleases or reverse transcription on human DNA for any other reason than to shunt a renegade genocide- is utterly pathetic.
Second of all, humans have been trying to breed themselves as long as they have been putting plates in lips and notches on wood. With about as much success.
We hate to see it, but there are reasons for some of these adaptations that we cannot even fathom. They are outside of the realm of our inflated self importance. They have to do with the history of the earth and the evolution of all the life forms that convert chemical and solar energy into molecules that can self replicate.
To make an analogy- its like a windoze person recompiling a linux kernel so they can keep in touch with their AOL buddy list. Its disgusting. The worst part is that somewhere in the mess is a person with a degree who might even be aware of the paradox involved- and not care. Not have enough insight to say no! We might make your child worse off. We have absolutely no idea.
Which means the work will be done by DOCTORS, not scientists. They don't have any problem doing what they want for money as long as there is a wailing patient nearby to scare everyone's questions into thee and thou, and how is your mercedes now?
Genetic engineering- it sounds so cool. Such big words. How about Prophetic Profiteering? Patents on DNA? Fuck domain names- you only deserve a fucking number anyhow. Its about time people learned how to memorize a goddamn address. When an ip address blows a hole in your firewall- THATS when you'll learn how to remember numbers! OW!! Matches Hurt!
Relational reality:
Ten factors when combined with nine transforms give a value y with 30% accuracy. Oh, we don't like factor #7, lets squash it out. Squash squash squash, oh no what happened? Everything is going wrong!!!
Point:
You need the throw aways, you need the half breeds, you need the pale notekeepers and copyists, you NEED AQUALUNG. Its part of the equation. You can't destroy #7 any more than you can discard the equation or the interconnects.
If humans want to engineer life, do it on a dead planet and build it from scratch and show the perfection of your philosophy and synthesis.
Don't throw chemicals into your mother's womb.
I swear, first they engineered the soul- now they are after our bodies too.
Do yourself a favor and ignore this crap. And NEVER trust a doctor just because they said so.
Any time a system takes on some shade of elegance there is a temptation to make it an aesthetic affair. Humans appreciate alot of things that don't ask to be appreciated. And like this article almost says, every time we gaze on something and get all gooey, we simultaneously expose the innocence/ignorance that makes the appreciation possible.
There is a relationship between Science and Art. Some would term this relationship as inverse, or antagonistic. Others would say they are both part of a progressive maturity toward a truly synthetic model of a phenomena. Anyone heard of E.O. Wilson? HE is the one who should be talking about open source as an ANT FARM!
General Workhorse Server, now known as GWS, thats what NT is??? What exactly do you mean by GWS? Does that mean its ok if it crashes? You don't mind if its a dog? You're not proud of it, but it gets alot of lame jobs done?
That could be anything.
Jesse, I think its time you tried installing linux with your own hands and your own tinker. Then come back and write about it.
The best part can't be seen in the theaters. I have it on pirated DVD, and if you slow down the frames- just after he's in the corner and she drops the camera- you can see the witch full on!!
They did a great job of hiding it, and if you play it back at full speed, the lighting masks everything.
I found it sorta by accident. I freezed on the shot of all the little handprints and lo, a message scrawled: Look for the witch
Very sneaky and clever those guys are for sure!
Thats my favorite part.
-Sleen