Minus the $10K they paid you to learn, that's only $12K for an education and a job.
There is also a $15k tuition for the bootcamp. Nowhere do they say tuition is waived for people being "paid to learn".
So $27k not $12k.
But this is not comparable to a college degree. A BS-in-CS will get you a job interview, and likely a well paying job. A bootcamp certificate has NEGATIVE value in the job market. It is best to not even mention it in the interview. The skills you learn in a cram course are going to get you an entry level code-monkey job at best.
A big problem is that the students with the most earning potential (engineering, CS, MBA) are not stupid, and are the least likely to sign up. So the ISA programs are stuck with the liberal arts dregs who have little more earning potential than a high school graduate. So they end up with high default rates.
Instead of focusing on "How to fund college?" we should focus on "Why does college cost so much?" The cost of college has far exceeded inflation for decades, with no measurable increase in quality of outcomes.
what you learn in them doesn't stick very well because of the accelerated pace.
According to TFA, many of the people signing up for these bootcamps are recent college graduates. They are finding out that their degrees are worthless, so they are hoping to learn something useful in a crash course.
If they had put more thought into their college major, they could have learned to code over 4 years instead of 5 months.
It is worse than that. TFA isn't clear, but it looks like they pay you $2000 per month, yet you are still responsible for paying tuition that exceeds that. So YOU are paying THEM in net payments even while you are still taking the class. Since these are "online" courses, their net cost to educate you is near zero.
Only a complete idiot would sign up for this scam.
When my company is interviewing, and we have two candidates:
Candidate 1: I learned to code in a 3 month boot camp that cost me $15k.
Candidate 2: I learned to code in my mom's basement using free tutorials and Stackoverflow.
we will definitely prefer #2, who is not a fool parted from his money, but has also shown himself capable of self-learning.
What if someone e-mailed child pornography through gmail?
If Google assisted the kiddie porn distributors by providing a mechanism to target people likely to have a preference for pre-pubescents, then I think it would be reasonable to hold Google partially responsible.
Facebook shouldn't be fined or have to go to court unless the City of Los Angeles can be sued for "allowing" someone to post a room rental advertisement on a lamp post despite it clearly reading "Mexicans need not apply."
Poor analogy, since the City of Los Angeles is not an active participant in the discrimination, while Facebook is.
Better analogy: For a fee, the City of Los Angeles will let you put an ad on a lamppost, and station a policeman at the lamppost to make sure that no black or Hispanic people see it.
If someone misuses the advertising tools on a platform to break the law, wouldn't that person/company be responsible for breaking the law?
Yes, the advertiser is responsible. But the publisher is ALSO responsible, and this is not an "on the internet" thing. Newspapers have been held responsible for publishing illegal ads.
Why would facebook be liable for having a wide range of advertising options available to people selling an enormous range of things, in which housing is a tiny percentage.
There are specific laws about discrimination in housing, employment, and lending. The targeting that Facebook allows for other ads should not be allowed for these.
This is akin to going after google because someone sent a hate email from gmail.
No it isn't. First, sending hate mail is not illegal, while housing discrimination is. Second, Google is not providing a mechanism to specifically target hate mail at designated groups. Yet that is what Facebook is doing.
Want to fix plastic in the oceans? Simply enforce litter laws
Good luck. Nearly all the plastic in the Pacific come from Asian countries that have no cultural tradition of caring about things like litter. More than half of the plastic comes from a single country: China. And most of that enters the sea from a single river. That is why schemes to clean up the ocean are so misguided. It would make much more sense to just clean up the Changjiang (Yangtze) River.
... and the sulfur, dust, and soot don't matter, because they quickly settle onto the surface of the ocean. The ocean already contains trillions of tons of sulfur. The amount added by cargo ships is negligible, and not harmful anyway. These pollutants are only harmful if you inhale them, or if they settle on leaves or exposed metal. Terrestrial sources are a problem, oceanic sources are not.
There are several bioplastics made from starch or cellulose that are good substitutes for petro-plastics in many applications. The biggest drawback is cost. We need more R&D to bring the price down.
Some of the starch-based plastics are edible. Where I work we bought a big box of bioplastic packing peanuts. We soon had an infestation of mice in our warehouse. They were munching down on the peanuts, and had chewed through the cardboard boxes they came in. That was over a year ago, and the warehouse still smells like mouse poop.
1. Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational.
This makes no sense. Any given gas station has about a 1% chance of being exploited, and figure one euro per liter and 3000 liters per hit, that is an expected loss of 30 euros. There is no way that is worth an extra full time worker just to monitor the pumps.
Here's a more cost effective solution: Change the code to something other than 0000.
There is a difference between "money spent" and "money well spent".
That was my point. "More money" isn't the answer, because schools do a poor job with the money they already have.
In the last half century, per student spending has gone up over 300% after adjusting for inflation. The biggest portion of the increased spending went to administrative salaries.
Public schools have one administrator for every two teachers. Private schools and charter schools have one for every five teachers.
Socialism sucks, but just a little less than capitalism.
You are likely confusing "Socialism" with "Social Democracy". Although they both contain the root word "social", they are two completely different things. Social democracy is a form of capitalism, not a form of socialism.
Actually, no, the solution to the actual problems being proposed is more spending.
America spends more per student on education than any other country in the world except Norway. If money was the solution, the problems would have been fixed long ago.
Which "alternative solution besides email receipts" can "your imagination [] fathom" instead?
You don't have to give your email to every retailer to get an emailed receipt.
If you pay with plastic, the email can be forwarded via your credit card provider, who already has your email anyway.
Home Depot does this now. I stick my card in the reader, and they recognize the CC# and auto-email the receipt. No paper, which is nice, because Home Depot is one place where you are likely to actually need the receipt a few weeks later.
The space shuttle is oft quoted at flying 250 nautical miles above Earth.
I'll leave it to pundits for why they chose a unit of measurement that's too obscure for even Americans to use.
A nautical mile is exactly one minute of arc at the equator. So it is handy for navigation, which is why it is used by ships. As long as they are using it for horizontal distances, they may as well use it for vertical distances as well.
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Minus the $10K they paid you to learn, that's only $12K for an education and a job.
There is also a $15k tuition for the bootcamp. Nowhere do they say tuition is waived for people being "paid to learn".
So $27k not $12k.
But this is not comparable to a college degree. A BS-in-CS will get you a job interview, and likely a well paying job. A bootcamp certificate has NEGATIVE value in the job market. It is best to not even mention it in the interview. The skills you learn in a cram course are going to get you an entry level code-monkey job at best.
Why don't all colleges provide free education, but in return, your wages are garnished for a period at a set percent?
Some colleges do offer these plans. There are also lenders that offer them.
Income Sharing Agreements
They have a mixed track record.
A big problem is that the students with the most earning potential (engineering, CS, MBA) are not stupid, and are the least likely to sign up. So the ISA programs are stuck with the liberal arts dregs who have little more earning potential than a high school graduate. So they end up with high default rates.
Instead of focusing on "How to fund college?" we should focus on "Why does college cost so much?" The cost of college has far exceeded inflation for decades, with no measurable increase in quality of outcomes.
what you learn in them doesn't stick very well because of the accelerated pace.
According to TFA, many of the people signing up for these bootcamps are recent college graduates. They are finding out that their degrees are worthless, so they are hoping to learn something useful in a crash course.
If they had put more thought into their college major, they could have learned to code over 4 years instead of 5 months.
It is worse than that. TFA isn't clear, but it looks like they pay you $2000 per month, yet you are still responsible for paying tuition that exceeds that. So YOU are paying THEM in net payments even while you are still taking the class. Since these are "online" courses, their net cost to educate you is near zero.
Only a complete idiot would sign up for this scam.
When my company is interviewing, and we have two candidates:
Candidate 1: I learned to code in a 3 month boot camp that cost me $15k.
Candidate 2: I learned to code in my mom's basement using free tutorials and Stackoverflow.
we will definitely prefer #2, who is not a fool parted from his money, but has also shown himself capable of self-learning.
What if someone e-mailed child pornography through gmail?
If Google assisted the kiddie porn distributors by providing a mechanism to target people likely to have a preference for pre-pubescents, then I think it would be reasonable to hold Google partially responsible.
Facebook shouldn't be fined or have to go to court unless the City of Los Angeles can be sued for "allowing" someone to post a room rental advertisement on a lamp post despite it clearly reading "Mexicans need not apply."
Poor analogy, since the City of Los Angeles is not an active participant in the discrimination, while Facebook is.
Better analogy: For a fee, the City of Los Angeles will let you put an ad on a lamppost, and station a policeman at the lamppost to make sure that no black or Hispanic people see it.
If someone misuses the advertising tools on a platform to break the law, wouldn't that person/company be responsible for breaking the law?
Yes, the advertiser is responsible. But the publisher is ALSO responsible, and this is not an "on the internet" thing. Newspapers have been held responsible for publishing illegal ads.
Why would facebook be liable for having a wide range of advertising options available to people selling an enormous range of things, in which housing is a tiny percentage.
There are specific laws about discrimination in housing, employment, and lending. The targeting that Facebook allows for other ads should not be allowed for these.
This is akin to going after google because someone sent a hate email from gmail.
No it isn't. First, sending hate mail is not illegal, while housing discrimination is. Second, Google is not providing a mechanism to specifically target hate mail at designated groups. Yet that is what Facebook is doing.
First they made a list of all the plausible explanations:
1. A shipping container lost its contents
After 3 decades of work, they narrowed this list down to:
1. A shipping container lost its contents
This is absolutely brilliant investigative work.
I'm curious... how practical are disposable utensils made of wood, anyway? I've never seen anyone using them in the US.
I have seen them many times in the SF Bay Area. They work fine. Many are made from bamboo.
The problem is cost. They are several times the cost of plastic.
And use the spoons to dig ditches. That'll create the hell of of some jobs.
That is just silly. Metal spoons would work far better than plastic for digging ditches.
Want to fix plastic in the oceans? Simply enforce litter laws
Good luck. Nearly all the plastic in the Pacific come from Asian countries that have no cultural tradition of caring about things like litter. More than half of the plastic comes from a single country: China. And most of that enters the sea from a single river. That is why schemes to clean up the ocean are so misguided. It would make much more sense to just clean up the Changjiang (Yangtze) River.
In sulfur, dust/soot, yes. CO2, nope!
... and the sulfur, dust, and soot don't matter, because they quickly settle onto the surface of the ocean. The ocean already contains trillions of tons of sulfur. The amount added by cargo ships is negligible, and not harmful anyway. These pollutants are only harmful if you inhale them, or if they settle on leaves or exposed metal. Terrestrial sources are a problem, oceanic sources are not.
I want my stuff made of new virgin plastic.
There are several bioplastics made from starch or cellulose that are good substitutes for petro-plastics in many applications. The biggest drawback is cost. We need more R&D to bring the price down.
Some of the starch-based plastics are edible. Where I work we bought a big box of bioplastic packing peanuts. We soon had an infestation of mice in our warehouse. They were munching down on the peanuts, and had chewed through the cardboard boxes they came in. That was over a year ago, and the warehouse still smells like mouse poop.
Instead, perhaps we could focus on reducing our practice of shipping raw materials via cargo ships
Why "instead"? Why not do both? The two actions would be independent, and in no way whatsoever are they alternatives.
I have, but that was in EU.
That is because they have a Garbage-Gestapo going around checking everyone's bins, and issuing fines.
This, of course, raises the cost of already uneconomical recycling even more.
It is better to just not use so much plastic crap in the first place.
Wouldn't that be 3000 Euros?
€3000 * 1% probability = €30 expected loss
And in France, gas is more expensive than 1€/l...
Gas stations don't pay the full retail price.
1. Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational.
This makes no sense. Any given gas station has about a 1% chance of being exploited, and figure one euro per liter and 3000 liters per hit, that is an expected loss of 30 euros. There is no way that is worth an extra full time worker just to monitor the pumps.
Here's a more cost effective solution: Change the code to something other than 0000.
There is a difference between "money spent" and "money well spent".
That was my point. "More money" isn't the answer, because schools do a poor job with the money they already have.
In the last half century, per student spending has gone up over 300% after adjusting for inflation. The biggest portion of the increased spending went to administrative salaries.
Public schools have one administrator for every two teachers. Private schools and charter schools have one for every five teachers.
You have to stop burning coal.
We also need to start treating CO2 as a global problem.
A solar panel in Arizona is going to offset half as much CO2 as a solar panel in Rajasthan.
We need to deploy renewables first where they will do the most good.
Socialism sucks, but just a little less than capitalism.
You are likely confusing "Socialism" with "Social Democracy". Although they both contain the root word "social", they are two completely different things. Social democracy is a form of capitalism, not a form of socialism.
Social democracy: Denmark
Socialism: Venezuela
Actually, no, the solution to the actual problems being proposed is more spending.
America spends more per student on education than any other country in the world except Norway. If money was the solution, the problems would have been fixed long ago.
Before anyone claims that is because we spend too much on rich kids while poor kids do without, I will preemptively point out that this is not true. America's school funding is a lot more progressive than many assume.
Which "alternative solution besides email receipts" can "your imagination [] fathom" instead?
You don't have to give your email to every retailer to get an emailed receipt.
If you pay with plastic, the email can be forwarded via your credit card provider, who already has your email anyway.
Home Depot does this now. I stick my card in the reader, and they recognize the CC# and auto-email the receipt. No paper, which is nice, because Home Depot is one place where you are likely to actually need the receipt a few weeks later.
just pointing out that it's a little elitist.
There is nothing "elitist" about cell phones.
95% of American adults have a cell phone.
87% of adults in Bangladesh have a cell phone, twice as many as have a toilet in their home.
For the few people that don't have a phone or email, they can still ask for a paper receipt.
The space shuttle is oft quoted at flying 250 nautical miles above Earth.
I'll leave it to pundits for why they chose a unit of measurement that's too obscure for even Americans to use.
A nautical mile is exactly one minute of arc at the equator. So it is handy for navigation, which is why it is used by ships. As long as they are using it for horizontal distances, they may as well use it for vertical distances as well.
It does not make sense to have a senior-level employee doing entry-level work.
You are assuming that old==senior-level.
Your level should be based on your ability, not your age.
You need SOME senior level talent.
Sure, but IBM is laying off the chaff not the wheat.