and still basically a nothing state on the world stage (not that it's much of anything today).
Us Greeks appreciate your insight...
Anyway, I don't hold grudges, so I will still answer your "question". Looking at the exam, the "Greek" it refers to is, of course, ancient Greek (the easiest form though, similar to what was used in the Hellenistic period). (At least written) Greek of that period (katharevousa) was actually pretty close. But in any case, ancient Greek is still a mandatory part of Greek high-school (Latin is optional) - I can read Hellenistic period works with no University level training in the subject. The difference is that in 1869, the classical languages were a big part of university education, since the ancient body of knowledge was comparable in volume to the -at the time- modern one. So if you wanted to go to the University, you had better learn your Greek/Latin well. So, even if ancient Greek is currently taught to all in high-school, students who want to study engineering or math in college, usually do the minimum and end up not learning much in those courses. But high school students who want to go into classics, literature, philology etc, will know the Latin and ancient Greek for this exam. They would find the particular test quite awkward though, as nowadays the focus is translating FROM Latin/ancient Greek, while this test is the reverse, although it tries to make it easy by translating most words for you.
Having sex and having a sex drive is a different thing. I don't know about you, but most men spent a lot of time THINKING about sex. You might be in the middle of a very important project, yet once that cute short-skirted secretary passes by, you context switch instantly and good luck getting back to your train of thought...
I tried that and it completely eliminated my sex drive.
Sorry for how you feel about that, but a drug that gives males 10x their regular productivity is an interesting side effect! If we all took the drug we would probably solve the word's problems in a couple of years... well, except for the low birth rate problem, that would actually get much worse...;)
Disney Destinations, New York & Company, AbeBooks. I'm waiting to see how these addresses (each being a different one of course) will get used. Will it be spam, trojans, nigerian princes or something new and exciting?;)
Just out of curiosity, how do you envision the root of such a bias to become genetically favored?
I imagine when you have easy access to milk and difficult access to other types of food, your survival chances are better if you can digest milk. Anyway, I guess instead of having me form hypotheses, when I am not in the field, you should best read what the researchers have to say. For example: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v39/n1/abs/ng1946.html
But, as you say yourself, the problem is not cheese, so "cheese culture" is probably irrelevant. The example paper above, researches the correlation between the lactase genes and the history of animal domestication.
Ehm, human milk is needed for feeding infants, not for you! Odds are you did not have lactose intolerance when you were an infant, as "by design" humans are supposed to be able to digest milk fine for a while after birth, and then slowly lose the ability ("lactose intolerance" - could be nature's way of protecting the mother's milk from hungry adults). Interestingly, in societies where dairy products were consumed regulardly, mutations that allowed adults to produce the required lactase to process lactose were favored, so in Europe lactose intolerance is uncommon. Until I lived in the States for a while I had no idea lactose intolerance was an issue in a big part of the world. But in any case, this topic has nothing to do with lactose.
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It was an off-site FTP server for collaboration, are they telling us none of the collaborators had the full set of data? It was "just" 300GB, meaning it could fit easily on an average hard drive. Furthermore, they say they require all the data to reconstitute the episodes, so every time they needed the episodes, they would download all those 300GB of 6000+ files from FTP and rebuild their episodes? What kind of idiocy is this. And lastly, did that employee secure erase everything? It was more than a simple rm -rf ?
According to members of his family, McCormick had used such encrypted notes since he was a boy
So, wouldn't they have more samples of the encryption to help with the decryption effort? If they have samples from when he was a boy, they might even be an earlier & easier code that evolved to the one in question...
But the financial system is based on some principles, a basic one being that the rate of returns is proportional to the risk taken. By bailing out the extreme risk takers and giving millions in payouts to the people who chose to go with these risks, you break the system. Not that related, but what I don't get is how firms like Moody's, S & P etc that rated the subprime mortgage packages as "AAA", are allowed to continue (while on the other hand they give trash ratings to EU countries etc).
Are you asking about Windows or Linux? For Linux, the AMD binary drivers have worked great for my multi-monitor setup. For Windows, there has not been an issue for a few years now, and in fact, even when the ATI drivers were lagging behind nVidia for gaming, I had to always get ATI cards due to the usually severe problems I had with nVidia for Home Theater setups. So, AFAIK, for home theater ATI/AMD still has better drivers/hardware, for Windows gaming it is mostly "take your pick", for Linux, you shouldn't have a problem with either (esp. if you go the binary blob way), but I have never played games on Linux, so I don't know how that front goes. Of course nVidia has CUDA if that is of interest, although OpenCL is a much more promising technology (heterogenous processors). I won't tell you about Macs, since most of the time Steve chooses your gpu (plus ATI does have a long history with Macs).
For example, I download and watch all movies that interest. Then, I order the DVD for the ones I really liked. So, I have hundreds of dvd's including full sets of many TV series etc. If I did not have an easy way to access movies at home, I would not have found so many that I like enough to purchase. While I might be in a minority that actually buys more due to piracy, I am sure that most people who don't want to pay for movies and just pirate, would not provide a lot of income to the movie industry anyway.
"The data" is a BAD 150+ slide presentation which might be tolerable as a lecture background, but it is certainly nothing close to being as readable as is. Perhaps a link to an actual Paper? At least the article filename is interesting "an-internal-bra.html"...;)
Anyway, my personal experience at a US top-30 CS grad school can add a data point: The CS undergrads were mostly US students. Of those, even the best ones most often did not go on to grad school, since they could find a good and well-paying job without the grad school hassle. That left around 5 US students in our grad program along with several dozen Asian students and quite a few other of assorted ethnicity. From this I got the feeling (which agrees with what other people from the CS field either in academia or the workplace tell me) that there is a demand for CS workers, so US citizens get absorbed easily, and there is also a demand for highly skilled CS workers for which US citizens that go into the trouble of getting the extra skills are too few to fill it, thus foreigners are hired, who are probably not smarter than the good US students that could go to grad school but did not. I don't know if this translates to other science fields though...
I am saying that since the '04 tsunami was 10 meters, it was no longer that unexpected. Of course hindsight is always 20/20 and it is not a bad thing that a quite old reactor design more or less survived such a catastrophe, but it is a shame that the weak point were the diesel generators...
The magnitude scale shows on the seismic energy released, so it does not depend on location. Your distance from an earthquake, and what is between you and the epicenter will affect the intensity of the earthquake at your location, and that is usually measured with the (empiric) Mercalli scale. Now, the plant appears to have been designed to withstand earthquakes to something like 8.2 magnitude, and I assume that means 8.2 magnitude even if you are close to the epicenter. Obviously, this covers you for bigger earthquakes farther away. This particular earthquake was probably far enough to not be worse than if an 8.2 magnitude earthquake occurred right there at the plant, judging by the fact that the Earthquake itself did not directly cause any significant damage. What was not expected, though, was that a much larger earthquake farther away could create an unexpectedly large tsunami. That tsunami destroyed the diesel backup power and started this whole mess. I guess after the Indian Ocean tsunami of '04 they should have considered the possibility...
Are you completely retarded, or you are deliberately not understanding just to annoy me? My last attempt at getting some things into your thick head. I will try a chronology: circa 1200 BC: Troy / Illium is destroyed, probably as a result of war circa 900 BC: Homer writes a very fictionalized account of a war involving Trojans & Greeks Classical & Hellenistic antiquity: The historicity of Troy is not questioned as it is taken as fact by all contemporaries, including historians. For example, Herodotus in Book I of his Histories, tells us that the Persians believed their hatred for Greeks originated by the sacking of Troy. If you want the "Pascal" analogy, look at the great mathematician, astronomer, geographer, poet etc Eratosthenes who based his chronology (introducing the leap year BTW) on the time of the Trojan War. So, for all the subsequent scholars who read the ancient sources, it was obvious that Troy was not a fictional place, regardless whether there was a war as described, what exactly happened etc. Blaise Pascal was a genius of a Mathematician and Physicist and it is true I have not read his later writings from when he abandoned the sciences and devoted himself to religion and Catholic philosophy. That is when he wrote the passage you mention, which obviously does not prove anything by itself. Other great men have written things that are false, and, actually, this great man was way past his prime when he shared his "thoughts" on this issue. So, no, the historians and archaeologists who were searching for the Trojan ruins where not the aberration, they were the norm in their field.
And back to my original objection, the above is the exact opposite of Atlantis, where it was common knowledge that Atlantis was fictional, and still is to scholars at least. And you would know too, if you were not ignorant of the writings of the Athenian fucking Plato! (hehe, I tried that nice little decoration you used, but it doesn't go well with ancient Greek names...)
Wow. Just wow. Insulting people to compensate for your ignorance. "until someone dug it up" refers to the period up to the digging, which includes the antiquity. Unless you speak a different language. But this is just semantics, the simple fact that I stated is that scholars never doubted the existence of Troy. This is the exact opposite to the Atlantis which scholars know is fictional. Now, there are always people who believe in LGM, Hollow Earth etc, and there is no point convincing those...
Nope, that is misinformed, not insightful. Troy was never a hypothetical argument. Homer gave a fictitious account of a war 300 years before his time, but no-one in antiquity at least doubted Troy or the Trojan war itself. Atlantis, on the other hand, to anyone who reads Plato, is obviously a fictional place. There was no doubt about it in antiquity, as there is no doubt about it now for people who read Plato. It might not be that obvious if you just read the translated excerpt that mentions the story of Atlantis, but if you have read some of Plato's dialogues and go on to Timaeus, you will get it.
It is not "alleged supporting evidence". Plato's dialogues are very well known works, which are available in many translations. They are very interesting works, definitely worth a read if you are the "reading" type, so you can see for yourself. I remember once I realized that "Atlantis" was first referenced in the TImaeus dialogue, I went back to the original (I can read ancient Greek, and had read Plato before), and was surprised to see how obviously it is a fictional place. So, if you want see for yourself, read some Plato to get the feel for his writing (I don't know how much is lost in Translation), and try out the Timaeus and Critias dialogues to see if it is obvious to you that Atlantis is made up. Or, if you don't want to read it yourself ask any Classical Philologist who has read Plato. For example if I ask my wife (ancient Greek philology) whether she things Atlantis is real, I will get some laughs.
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and still basically a nothing state on the world stage (not that it's much of anything today).
Us Greeks appreciate your insight...
Anyway, I don't hold grudges, so I will still answer your "question".
Looking at the exam, the "Greek" it refers to is, of course, ancient Greek (the easiest form though, similar to what was used in the Hellenistic period). (At least written) Greek of that period (katharevousa) was actually pretty close. But in any case, ancient Greek is still a mandatory part of Greek high-school (Latin is optional) - I can read Hellenistic period works with no University level training in the subject.
The difference is that in 1869, the classical languages were a big part of university education, since the ancient body of knowledge was comparable in volume to the -at the time- modern one. So if you wanted to go to the University, you had better learn your Greek/Latin well. So, even if ancient Greek is currently taught to all in high-school, students who want to study engineering or math in college, usually do the minimum and end up not learning much in those courses. But high school students who want to go into classics, literature, philology etc, will know the Latin and ancient Greek for this exam. They would find the particular test quite awkward though, as nowadays the focus is translating FROM Latin/ancient Greek, while this test is the reverse, although it tries to make it easy by translating most words for you.
I can't believe there are so few comments about Gyro! Growing up in the 80s I loved the comic books and of course DuckTales!
Drones would be much better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpsNw3oM0Q
Having sex and having a sex drive is a different thing. I don't know about you, but most men spent a lot of time THINKING about sex. You might be in the middle of a very important project, yet once that cute short-skirted secretary passes by, you context switch instantly and good luck getting back to your train of thought...
I tried that and it completely eliminated my sex drive.
Sorry for how you feel about that, but a drug that gives males 10x their regular productivity is an interesting side effect! ;)
If we all took the drug we would probably solve the word's problems in a couple of years... well, except for the low birth rate problem, that would actually get much worse...
Disney Destinations, New York & Company, AbeBooks. I'm waiting to see how these addresses (each being a different one of course) will get used. Will it be spam, trojans, nigerian princes or something new and exciting? ;)
Just out of curiosity, how do you envision the root of such a bias to become genetically favored?
I imagine when you have easy access to milk and difficult access to other types of food, your survival chances are better if you can digest milk. Anyway, I guess instead of having me form hypotheses, when I am not in the field, you should best read what the researchers have to say. For example: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v39/n1/abs/ng1946.html
But, as you say yourself, the problem is not cheese, so "cheese culture" is probably irrelevant. The example paper above, researches the correlation between the lactase genes and the history of animal domestication.
Ehm, human milk is needed for feeding infants, not for you!
Odds are you did not have lactose intolerance when you were an infant, as "by design" humans are supposed to be able to digest milk fine for a while after birth, and then slowly lose the ability ("lactose intolerance" - could be nature's way of protecting the mother's milk from hungry adults). Interestingly, in societies where dairy products were consumed regulardly, mutations that allowed adults to produce the required lactase to process lactose were favored, so in Europe lactose intolerance is uncommon. Until I lived in the States for a while I had no idea lactose intolerance was an issue in a big part of the world.
But in any case, this topic has nothing to do with lactose.
After nyandcompany.com and disney I got an email from abebooks:
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It was an off-site FTP server for collaboration, are they telling us none of the collaborators had the full set of data? It was "just" 300GB, meaning it could fit easily on an average hard drive.
Furthermore, they say they require all the data to reconstitute the episodes, so every time they needed the episodes, they would download all those 300GB of 6000+ files from FTP and rebuild their episodes? What kind of idiocy is this.
And lastly, did that employee secure erase everything? It was more than a simple rm -rf ?
According to members of his family, McCormick had used such encrypted notes since he was a boy
So, wouldn't they have more samples of the encryption to help with the decryption effort? If they have samples from when he was a boy, they might even be an earlier & easier code that evolved to the one in question...
But the financial system is based on some principles, a basic one being that the rate of returns is proportional to the risk taken. By bailing out the extreme risk takers and giving millions in payouts to the people who chose to go with these risks, you break the system.
Not that related, but what I don't get is how firms like Moody's, S & P etc that rated the subprime mortgage packages as "AAA", are allowed to continue (while on the other hand they give trash ratings to EU countries etc).
No, it means they will get their very own fire-breathing mecha versions in South Park!
Are you asking about Windows or Linux? For Linux, the AMD binary drivers have worked great for my multi-monitor setup. For Windows, there has not been an issue for a few years now, and in fact, even when the ATI drivers were lagging behind nVidia for gaming, I had to always get ATI cards due to the usually severe problems I had with nVidia for Home Theater setups.
So, AFAIK, for home theater ATI/AMD still has better drivers/hardware, for Windows gaming it is mostly "take your pick", for Linux, you shouldn't have a problem with either (esp. if you go the binary blob way), but I have never played games on Linux, so I don't know how that front goes. Of course nVidia has CUDA if that is of interest, although OpenCL is a much more promising technology (heterogenous processors).
I won't tell you about Macs, since most of the time Steve chooses your gpu (plus ATI does have a long history with Macs).
For example, I download and watch all movies that interest. Then, I order the DVD for the ones I really liked. So, I have hundreds of dvd's including full sets of many TV series etc. If I did not have an easy way to access movies at home, I would not have found so many that I like enough to purchase.
While I might be in a minority that actually buys more due to piracy, I am sure that most people who don't want to pay for movies and just pirate, would not provide a lot of income to the movie industry anyway.
"The data" is a BAD 150+ slide presentation which might be tolerable as a lecture background, but it is certainly nothing close to being as readable as is. Perhaps a link to an actual Paper? ;)
At least the article filename is interesting "an-internal-bra.html"...
Anyway, my personal experience at a US top-30 CS grad school can add a data point: The CS undergrads were mostly US students. Of those, even the best ones most often did not go on to grad school, since they could find a good and well-paying job without the grad school hassle. That left around 5 US students in our grad program along with several dozen Asian students and quite a few other of assorted ethnicity. From this I got the feeling (which agrees with what other people from the CS field either in academia or the workplace tell me) that there is a demand for CS workers, so US citizens get absorbed easily, and there is also a demand for highly skilled CS workers for which US citizens that go into the trouble of getting the extra skills are too few to fill it, thus foreigners are hired, who are probably not smarter than the good US students that could go to grad school but did not.
I don't know if this translates to other science fields though...
I am saying that since the '04 tsunami was 10 meters, it was no longer that unexpected. Of course hindsight is always 20/20 and it is not a bad thing that a quite old reactor design more or less survived such a catastrophe, but it is a shame that the weak point were the diesel generators...
The magnitude scale shows on the seismic energy released, so it does not depend on location. Your distance from an earthquake, and what is between you and the epicenter will affect the intensity of the earthquake at your location, and that is usually measured with the (empiric) Mercalli scale.
Now, the plant appears to have been designed to withstand earthquakes to something like 8.2 magnitude, and I assume that means 8.2 magnitude even if you are close to the epicenter. Obviously, this covers you for bigger earthquakes farther away.
This particular earthquake was probably far enough to not be worse than if an 8.2 magnitude earthquake occurred right there at the plant, judging by the fact that the Earthquake itself did not directly cause any significant damage. What was not expected, though, was that a much larger earthquake farther away could create an unexpectedly large tsunami. That tsunami destroyed the diesel backup power and started this whole mess. I guess after the Indian Ocean tsunami of '04 they should have considered the possibility...
Are you completely retarded, or you are deliberately not understanding just to annoy me?
My last attempt at getting some things into your thick head. I will try a chronology:
circa 1200 BC: Troy / Illium is destroyed, probably as a result of war
circa 900 BC: Homer writes a very fictionalized account of a war involving Trojans & Greeks
Classical & Hellenistic antiquity: The historicity of Troy is not questioned as it is taken as fact by all contemporaries, including historians. For example, Herodotus in Book I of his Histories, tells us that the Persians believed their hatred for Greeks originated by the sacking of Troy. If you want the "Pascal" analogy, look at the great mathematician, astronomer, geographer, poet etc Eratosthenes who based his chronology (introducing the leap year BTW) on the time of the Trojan War.
So, for all the subsequent scholars who read the ancient sources, it was obvious that Troy was not a fictional place, regardless whether there was a war as described, what exactly happened etc.
Blaise Pascal was a genius of a Mathematician and Physicist and it is true I have not read his later writings from when he abandoned the sciences and devoted himself to religion and Catholic philosophy. That is when he wrote the passage you mention, which obviously does not prove anything by itself. Other great men have written things that are false, and, actually, this great man was way past his prime when he shared his "thoughts" on this issue.
So, no, the historians and archaeologists who were searching for the Trojan ruins where not the aberration, they were the norm in their field.
And back to my original objection, the above is the exact opposite of Atlantis, where it was common knowledge that Atlantis was fictional, and still is to scholars at least. And you would know too, if you were not ignorant of the writings of the Athenian fucking Plato! (hehe, I tried that nice little decoration you used, but it doesn't go well with ancient Greek names...)
Wow. Just wow. Insulting people to compensate for your ignorance.
"until someone dug it up" refers to the period up to the digging, which includes the antiquity. Unless you speak a different language.
But this is just semantics, the simple fact that I stated is that scholars never doubted the existence of Troy.
This is the exact opposite to the Atlantis which scholars know is fictional.
Now, there are always people who believe in LGM, Hollow Earth etc, and there is no point convincing those...
Nope, that is misinformed, not insightful.
Troy was never a hypothetical argument. Homer gave a fictitious account of a war 300 years before his time, but no-one in antiquity at least doubted Troy or the Trojan war itself.
Atlantis, on the other hand, to anyone who reads Plato, is obviously a fictional place. There was no doubt about it in antiquity, as there is no doubt about it now for people who read Plato. It might not be that obvious if you just read the translated excerpt that mentions the story of Atlantis, but if you have read some of Plato's dialogues and go on to Timaeus, you will get it.
It is not "alleged supporting evidence". Plato's dialogues are very well known works, which are available in many translations. They are very interesting works, definitely worth a read if you are the "reading" type, so you can see for yourself.
I remember once I realized that "Atlantis" was first referenced in the TImaeus dialogue, I went back to the original (I can read ancient Greek, and had read Plato before), and was surprised to see how obviously it is a fictional place.
So, if you want see for yourself, read some Plato to get the feel for his writing (I don't know how much is lost in Translation), and try out the Timaeus and Critias dialogues to see if it is obvious to you that Atlantis is made up. Or, if you don't want to read it yourself ask any Classical Philologist who has read Plato. For example if I ask my wife (ancient Greek philology) whether she things Atlantis is real, I will get some laughs.