That's a very unfair comparison. Servers need to be extremely cautious with drivers in order to provide the sort of 99.999% uptime expected for industry. Fedora and Debian are more comparable to MacOS or Windows XP this way, where it's easier to update and support oddball hardware configurations.
No, install CentOS or run Oracle or VMware servers on it, something with commercial support expected on it, and you're going to run into driver limitations because they've not had a year or more to test it under serious loads, and then it's safer to install in server configurations.
What you describe about Perl is quite correct. And for many odd-ball functions and forms of processing, someone has already published a CPAN module for it, and in many (not all!) cases it's good enough.
But the level you mention, almost _everything_ is written in C. Many software packages that are allegedly in C++ could be switched to ANSI C in a single afternoon with s competent programmer, and in fact gcc's quiet compilation of both without error has led to a lot of people writing mostly C when they think they're writing C++. And anyone who thinks Java, Ruby, or Python have enough power to write themselves has not looked carefully at them.
Please read again. I didn't say 'OO' is short-lived. Neither is the tendency for people to bu EXCITING! NEW! SELF-HELP BOOKS! And spend lots of money on such seminars. But the individual approaches do not seem as functionally stable as I like for a long career. C has turned out to be extremely stable.
I like Bugzilla. It works well for me, and has become much easier to install and configure (with Webmin for administering the MySQL directly, as needed). Sourceforge and RedHat both also use it, so it seems to scale well, and doesn't have the locking problems some of the other systems have.
Unfortunately, government email systems are often _not_ as secure or reliable as those of such public systems. I've seen corporate and governmental systems where the It managers regularly lose email and find it impossible to recover, where their mailbox space is extremely small, where they will be censured if they receive or send personal email from that account and where the difference between personal and work email blurs and causes confusion, where the work system cannot handle usefully large attachments, and where they are still using POP{ email with the inevitable tendency of POP clients to be configured, by default to remove _all_ email from the server, permanently.
Combine this with the stunning instability of Outlook mail folders and their tendency to corrupt themselves, and you have an unusable service best replaced, quietly, by an outside service if you want to actually get any work done.
It's not the installer. It's the packages themselves, which do not obey standards for where libraries go, where packages may be installed, how to report and manage library dependencies, and most especially how to manage that database obscenity, the Windows Registry.
Until those issues can begin to be resolved, there is no _point_ to having a nice point and click installer. It's like putting a keyboard on a Lego.
Yes, I can call my hardware emulation any Three-Letter Acronym you can think of, as well. My experience from tests with operations such as kernel compilation is that the full virtualization for VMware, as well as for Xen, is extremely poor at handling that kind of intensive disk I/O, and you were frankly better off using a network storage protocol such as NFS or iSCSI and making sure that the network for your virtualized environment was bridged, as opposed to being NAT'ed behind the virtualization server.
Xen with paravirtualization was _profoundly_ better.
Oh, yes, I agree that this is a recurring issue. I'm just saying that Mr. Obama, like every president before him, can't simply turn the entire federal government onto a new course on a dime, and it's not reasonable to expect that.
Oh, I believe it. My patch was clean on a large project, but some numbskull didn't have his changes in the source control system and compiled the new version for installation from what was on his desktop, without any of the other previously source control submitted updates. The results.... well, the results weren't pretty because my patch didn't get the full QA procedure as a "minor patch", and because they trusted _my_ code. I continued to get the blame for the situation at meetings with staff for other departments, including the department with the fool who ignored source control, and who was directly ignoring orders from his boss and mine to build only from clean source control software trees.
That was difficult to live down, and it led to a serious and harsh meeting with the QA and software developers about their development and testing environments.
You also have to have compatible hardware. ESX is on an ancient RHEL license, with a 2.2 kernel. That's quite.... well, frankly, painful to support on anything but approved ESX server compatible hardware, and it strongly limits what you can use for your backup systems or local system management on the server itself. Even the OpenSSH on it it is extremely out of date and incapable of properly handling Kerberos authentication, to pick a single example of a missing feature that an enterprise environment might want.
Xen, however, does an extremely good job of trying to optimize behavior like disk IO by providing those para-virtualized kernels for guest environments. This is a big deal for guest environments that do disk intensive operations, like web proxies or software compilation environments for beta testing.
The idea that VMware of any flavor "just works" is also.... my goodness. You've apparently not worked with it enough to notice that its "clone" operation modifies the MAC addresses without telling you, have you?
You've got it backwards. The current president is always somewhat at the mercy of the existing bureaucracy. Even if he fires all the department heads and replaces them with his own handpicked staff, it's impossible to replace the entire Supreme Court (with its Bush appointees) and the secondary leaders of the military forces, State department, SEC, Justice Department, and Treasury all in one step. But those people were mostly hired by Bush or his appointees (or by Dick Cheney and his contracting acquaintances), and they were taught to cooperate with all these nasty policies.
I'm not suggesting that Mr. Obama shouldn't try to do a clean sweep and open up government: I'm saying that he's going to have one hell of a time with the entrenched bureaucrats and war criminals of the old Bush administration, and they're probably fighting him as much as they can on such policies.
His appointees in the executive branch, his Supreme Court appointments, and the federal bureaucracies he guided most certainly are. They've been battening down the hatches for the last six months or so to protect themselves and continue their current programs and policies. Opening them up is not going to be easy.
I'm looking at the Wikipedia entries on this, quoting from his letter to Abbé Grégoire. It's quite clear that he expected that as the blacks were educated, that their skills would increase to be at least sufficient to justify treating them with the same rights as others.
Yes, I've used them all. The user interface was DOS based, for many reasons. But the kernel, especially memory management, was stolen wholesale from DEC by David Cutler.
Do not mistake the user shell with the underlying kernel.
Such tools already exist. Even the venerable "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" is extremely efficient at flushing a drive well beyond the ability of any but the most well-equipped recovery services, and it's a lot faster than the "overwrite with zeroes, then ones, then 101010..., then 010101..., then random data" approach used by some people with too much time on their hands and too much paranoia for casual data.
For rights for women? I'm afraid ou're right. The correspondence of John Adams with his wife reveals the disdain of at least some of the founding fathers for such ideals. That's consistent with how long it took to free the slaves, then permit women the right to vote.
I'm afraid that "inheriting" the presidency is how we got George Bush, the lesser. His father was a corrupt liar to Congress about the Iran Contra mess: the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
And you both could not be more wrong. While many states at the time of the American Revolution relied on slavery for their economy, many of the founding fathers (especially Thomas Jefferson) sought to abolish it. They were certainly aware that blacks could be the intellectual and educational equals of whites, because they met some such people in business and from African nations.
Some of the founding fathers would be delighted at how far Mr. Obama has come, and see it as a vindication of their dreams of liberty and justice for all.
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That's a very unfair comparison. Servers need to be extremely cautious with drivers in order to provide the sort of 99.999% uptime expected for industry. Fedora and Debian are more comparable to MacOS or Windows XP this way, where it's easier to update and support oddball hardware configurations.
No, install CentOS or run Oracle or VMware servers on it, something with commercial support expected on it, and you're going to run into driver limitations because they've not had a year or more to test it under serious loads, and then it's safer to install in server configurations.
Second comment on the thread, and it's already been Godwin'ed. I _am_ impressed.
What you describe about Perl is quite correct. And for many odd-ball functions and forms of processing, someone has already published a CPAN module for it, and in many (not all!) cases it's good enough.
But the level you mention, almost _everything_ is written in C. Many software packages that are allegedly in C++ could be switched to ANSI C in a single afternoon with s competent programmer, and in fact gcc's quiet compilation of both without error has led to a lot of people writing mostly C when they think they're writing C++. And anyone who thinks Java, Ruby, or Python have enough power to write themselves has not looked carefully at them.
Please read again. I didn't say 'OO' is short-lived. Neither is the tendency for people to bu EXCITING! NEW! SELF-HELP BOOKS! And spend lots of money on such seminars. But the individual approaches do not seem as functionally stable as I like for a long career. C has turned out to be extremely stable.
If I had serious text processing, I'd use Perl. And do.
That sounds like an unfortunate step into another layer of short-lived languages. Learn how to actually program: learn C.
I like Bugzilla. It works well for me, and has become much easier to install and configure (with Webmin for administering the MySQL directly, as needed). Sourceforge and RedHat both also use it, so it seems to scale well, and doesn't have the locking problems some of the other systems have.
That's why Sarah Palin did. She got hacked, too.
Unfortunately, government email systems are often _not_ as secure or reliable as those of such public systems. I've seen corporate and governmental systems where the It managers regularly lose email and find it impossible to recover, where their mailbox space is extremely small, where they will be censured if they receive or send personal email from that account and where the difference between personal and work email blurs and causes confusion, where the work system cannot handle usefully large attachments, and where they are still using POP{ email with the inevitable tendency of POP clients to be configured, by default to remove _all_ email from the server, permanently.
Combine this with the stunning instability of Outlook mail folders and their tendency to corrupt themselves, and you have an unusable service best replaced, quietly, by an outside service if you want to actually get any work done.
It's not the installer. It's the packages themselves, which do not obey standards for where libraries go, where packages may be installed, how to report and manage library dependencies, and most especially how to manage that database obscenity, the Windows Registry.
Until those issues can begin to be resolved, there is no _point_ to having a nice point and click installer. It's like putting a keyboard on a Lego.
Yes, I can call my hardware emulation any Three-Letter Acronym you can think of, as well. My experience from tests with operations such as kernel compilation is that the full virtualization for VMware, as well as for Xen, is extremely poor at handling that kind of intensive disk I/O, and you were frankly better off using a network storage protocol such as NFS or iSCSI and making sure that the network for your virtualized environment was bridged, as opposed to being NAT'ed behind the virtualization server.
Xen with paravirtualization was _profoundly_ better.
Or IBM's new 'take a step to the right' body armor. Can you imagine putting that on sailors and watching them fall overboard when you shoot at them?
Maybe they're suing Microsoft for publishing it as the OOXML specification?
Oh, yes, I agree that this is a recurring issue. I'm just saying that Mr. Obama, like every president before him, can't simply turn the entire federal government onto a new course on a dime, and it's not reasonable to expect that.
Oh, I believe it. My patch was clean on a large project, but some numbskull didn't have his changes in the source control system and compiled the new version for installation from what was on his desktop, without any of the other previously source control submitted updates. The results.... well, the results weren't pretty because my patch didn't get the full QA procedure as a "minor patch", and because they trusted _my_ code. I continued to get the blame for the situation at meetings with staff for other departments, including the department with the fool who ignored source control, and who was directly ignoring orders from his boss and mine to build only from clean source control software trees.
That was difficult to live down, and it led to a serious and harsh meeting with the QA and software developers about their development and testing environments.
Her husband's a chiropractor. What do you expect besides nonsense from her?
You also have to have compatible hardware. ESX is on an ancient RHEL license, with a 2.2 kernel. That's quite.... well, frankly, painful to support on anything but approved ESX server compatible hardware, and it strongly limits what you can use for your backup systems or local system management on the server itself. Even the OpenSSH on it it is extremely out of date and incapable of properly handling Kerberos authentication, to pick a single example of a missing feature that an enterprise environment might want.
Xen, however, does an extremely good job of trying to optimize behavior like disk IO by providing those para-virtualized kernels for guest environments. This is a big deal for guest environments that do disk intensive operations, like web proxies or software compilation environments for beta testing.
The idea that VMware of any flavor "just works" is also.... my goodness. You've apparently not worked with it enough to notice that its "clone" operation modifies the MAC addresses without telling you, have you?
You've got it backwards. The current president is always somewhat at the mercy of the existing bureaucracy. Even if he fires all the department heads and replaces them with his own handpicked staff, it's impossible to replace the entire Supreme Court (with its Bush appointees) and the secondary leaders of the military forces, State department, SEC, Justice Department, and Treasury all in one step. But those people were mostly hired by Bush or his appointees (or by Dick Cheney and his contracting acquaintances), and they were taught to cooperate with all these nasty policies. I'm not suggesting that Mr. Obama shouldn't try to do a clean sweep and open up government: I'm saying that he's going to have one hell of a time with the entrenched bureaucrats and war criminals of the old Bush administration, and they're probably fighting him as much as they can on such policies.
His appointees in the executive branch, his Supreme Court appointments, and the federal bureaucracies he guided most certainly are. They've been battening down the hatches for the last six months or so to protect themselves and continue their current programs and policies. Opening them up is not going to be easy.
I'm looking at the Wikipedia entries on this, quoting from his letter to Abbé Grégoire. It's quite clear that he expected that as the blacks were educated, that their skills would increase to be at least sufficient to justify treating them with the same rights as others.
Yes, I've used them all. The user interface was DOS based, for many reasons. But the kernel, especially memory management, was stolen wholesale from DEC by David Cutler. Do not mistake the user shell with the underlying kernel.
Such tools already exist. Even the venerable "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" is extremely efficient at flushing a drive well beyond the ability of any but the most well-equipped recovery services, and it's a lot faster than the "overwrite with zeroes, then ones, then 101010..., then 010101..., then random data" approach used by some people with too much time on their hands and too much paranoia for casual data.
And the plural of axes is chainsaw.
For rights for women? I'm afraid ou're right. The correspondence of John Adams with his wife reveals the disdain of at least some of the founding fathers for such ideals. That's consistent with how long it took to free the slaves, then permit women the right to vote.
I'm afraid that "inheriting" the presidency is how we got George Bush, the lesser. His father was a corrupt liar to Congress about the Iran Contra mess: the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
And you both could not be more wrong. While many states at the time of the American Revolution relied on slavery for their economy, many of the founding fathers (especially Thomas Jefferson) sought to abolish it. They were certainly aware that blacks could be the intellectual and educational equals of whites, because they met some such people in business and from African nations.
Some of the founding fathers would be delighted at how far Mr. Obama has come, and see it as a vindication of their dreams of liberty and justice for all.