So when they're on your doorstep, you'll run their thumb over your scanner and compare it to their driver's license? Which would at best prove that they used their real thumbprint when creating the fake driver's license.
Automated spam reporting that actually works is a huge undertaking. SpamCop only just does a tolerable job of it and they still screw up a lot, and they've been working on it for years.
I have several hundred megs of saved E-mail. I save most non mailing list non recurring system log message mail I receive, and virtually every message I send. I don't save attachments.
Every night my system full-text indexes all this mail using CNIDR's full text indexing tools.
I can search all my mail in seconds for any string or combinations of strings. It has saved my butt many a time.
>How long does it take someone to figure out that >they need to configure a box right to make it >secure?
Considering the hundreds of thousands of systems infected by Nimba, I guess it takes Windows admins quite a while to figure that out.
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This has been tried before. I was the original creator of ORBS, and operated it for less than a year. In that time I had the RCMP contact me once because some idiot accused me of criminal acts in association with testing open relays.
I don't recall exactly, but I believe it was due to something very similar on some pos Mac mail server. Although I think it was the notices I was sending them (to postmaster@[ipaddress]) that caused the problem.
Fortunately, after I explained exactly what I was doing and why, the officer was nice enough to blow off the investigation. I guess the cops down south aren't as smart.
Having said that, in this case, given that the test in question is fairly useless in most cases (of all open relays, I'd guess 99.9% can be identified with a single simple test), I personally would have just stopped sending that particular test to Domino servers.
It's too bad. ORBZ was by far the most effective open relay list out there. I hope ORDB and Osirusoft can make up for the loss.
My biggest question on this matter is this - what does Ian hope to accomplish by closing? If he's already been accused of committing a criminal act, does he think it will go away if he just stops doing it? I really don't think that's how these things work. I certainly do hope things work out well for him, though.
Fossil fuel production kills people every day. Fossil fuel waste products kill thousands of people every day. They are most likely changing the entire climate of the earth, which may kill millions of people in the near future.
Nuclear power, used in the US, Japan, France, Canada, etc., has killed maybe a couple hundred people total, ever. No, I am not counting Chernobyl. I wouldn't want the moronic 12-year old bully down the block running a nuclear power plant, and the people running the Soviet Union cared even less about my welfare. But done correctly, it's pretty safe. Not cheap, but safe. And it's only expensive because fossil fuel is basically a giveaway - mother nature did all the hard work a long time ago. Sooner or later we will run that well dry.
Since these are the only 2 scaleable power sources we have available with current technology (as we've already exploited most of our hydro possibilities), I really fail to see why people consider nuclear unsafe.
By driving their people like slaves for 40 years to achieve industrialization, and killing anyone who tried to resist (many tens of millions of them). By putting the output of all that forced work into particular national goals, like building a huge military and building a space program, while their people stood in line for hours to buy bread, let alone consumer luxuries.
Yes, the Soviet space program was more advanced than the Americans in many ways. They did some very nice thing. But don't forget the price their people paid, involuntarily, to do it.
They don't. There's no tie to the spammer past the first relay. The operator of the open relay gets dinged for 10 bucks (which is probably good), but the spammer still only gets charged one cent.
Besides, lots of people send a large amount of legitimate E-mail. Should I have to pay more to run my jokes list because spammers abuse their 'net privileges? I don't think so.
Charging for bandwidth would not stop relay-hijacking spammers. They only transmit the message body once to the relay, accompanied by thousands of E-mail addresses. E-mail addresses are not large.
A spammer could send millions of spams for only a few megabytes of traffic.
On the other hand, the open relay site would certainly be affected by bandwidth charges and that might force them to finally take action.
Here in Canada we pay exhorbitant gas taxes too. But that money just goes into general revenue. Less than 10% of it is ever returned to the provinces for road construction/maintainance.
Are you sure your gas taxes are used for what they were intended? Are they separately accounted for and distributed to road budgets? I would be very surprised if they are.
Yeah, that'll be wonderful. Instead of you volunteering foreign aid to Africa or Asia, you'll be taxed at 75% to pay for equalization payments to them. Everyone can become equally poor.
Just remember how fucked up most of the world is. Do you really want them to have control over you?
Earthlink's problem was that they used UUNet dialups and allowed relay from all UUNet dialups. So any user on any ISP using UUNet dialups (UUnet outsources dial pools for a lot of ISP's) could relay mail through Earthlink's servers.
Unlike most UUNet ISP's, or UUNet themselves for that matter, Earthlink did eventually take steps to stop this problem.
Because taken to it's logical conclusion, spam will make E-mail useless.
There are 10 million businesses in the US alone. If each of them sent you only one message per year, you would receive >27,000 messages per day.
How useful would your E-mail be to you if that were happening?
The only reason this isn't happening is because people like me who fight spam every day have kept mainstream businesses from adopting spam as a normal marketing practice.
So dismiss our concerns all you want. But every time you use E-mail for something productive, thank the anti-spammers of the world for making that possible.
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So when they're on your doorstep, you'll run their thumb over your scanner and compare it to their driver's license? Which would at best prove that they used their real thumbprint when creating the fake driver's license.
Good plan.
Bet whoever hit you had a driver's license. Yet, oddly enough, that state certification didn't prevent them from being an idiot.
Automated spam reporting that actually works is a huge undertaking. SpamCop only just does a tolerable job of it and they still screw up a lot, and they've been working on it for years.
I have several hundred megs of saved E-mail. I save most non mailing list non recurring system log message mail I receive, and virtually every message I send. I don't save attachments.
Every night my system full-text indexes all this mail using CNIDR's full text indexing tools.
I can search all my mail in seconds for any string or combinations of strings. It has saved my butt many a time.
>How long does it take someone to figure out that
>they need to configure a box right to make it
>secure?
Considering the hundreds of thousands of systems infected by Nimba, I guess it takes Windows admins quite a while to figure that out.
This has been tried before. I was the original creator of ORBS, and operated it for less than a year. In that time I had the RCMP contact me once because some idiot accused me of criminal acts in association with testing open relays.
I don't recall exactly, but I believe it was due to something very similar on some pos Mac mail server. Although I think it was the notices I was sending them (to postmaster@[ipaddress]) that caused the problem.
Fortunately, after I explained exactly what I was doing and why, the officer was nice enough to blow off the investigation. I guess the cops down south aren't as smart.
Having said that, in this case, given that the test in question is fairly useless in most cases (of all open relays, I'd guess 99.9% can be identified with a single simple test), I personally would have just stopped sending that particular test to Domino servers.
It's too bad. ORBZ was by far the most effective open relay list out there. I hope ORDB and Osirusoft can make up for the loss.
My biggest question on this matter is this - what does Ian hope to accomplish by closing? If he's already been accused of committing a criminal act, does he think it will go away if he just stops doing it? I really don't think that's how these things work. I certainly do hope things work out well for him, though.
wtf does a penn state law have to do with a bush white house? It was Clinton that passed the communications decency acts federally, you might recall.
Fossil fuel production kills people every day. Fossil fuel waste products kill thousands of people every day. They are most likely changing the entire climate of the earth, which may kill millions of people in the near future.
Nuclear power, used in the US, Japan, France, Canada, etc., has killed maybe a couple hundred people total, ever. No, I am not counting Chernobyl. I wouldn't want the moronic 12-year old bully down the block running a nuclear power plant, and the people running the Soviet Union cared even less about my welfare. But done correctly, it's pretty safe. Not cheap, but safe. And it's only expensive because fossil fuel is basically a giveaway - mother nature did all the hard work a long time ago. Sooner or later we will run that well dry.
Since these are the only 2 scaleable power sources we have available with current technology (as we've already exploited most of our hydro possibilities), I really fail to see why people consider nuclear unsafe.
By driving their people like slaves for 40 years to achieve industrialization, and killing anyone who tried to resist (many tens of millions of them). By putting the output of all that forced work into particular national goals, like building a huge military and building a space program, while their people stood in line for hours to buy bread, let alone consumer luxuries.
Yes, the Soviet space program was more advanced than the Americans in many ways. They did some very nice thing. But don't forget the price their people paid, involuntarily, to do it.
Here in BC our education system now actually refers to students as future "consumers", not citizens.
Be afraid.
> Green Party are the only real liberals
Sorry, you mispelled communist.
They don't. There's no tie to the spammer past the first relay. The operator of the open relay gets dinged for 10 bucks (which is probably good), but the spammer still only gets charged one cent.
Besides, lots of people send a large amount of legitimate E-mail. Should I have to pay more to run my jokes list because spammers abuse their 'net privileges? I don't think so.
For your firewalls
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SMTP AUTH. Anyone with a POP-3 account can be authenticated to send via SMTP with the same account information, without allowing others to relay.
Though with the number of ISP's blocking outbound port 25, you might also need your server to listen to a different port.
Nope. It's generally the only way to make them fix the problem.
Besides, you bounce it. The sender knows the message didn't get through.
Charging for bandwidth would not stop relay-hijacking spammers. They only transmit the message body once to the relay, accompanied by thousands of E-mail addresses. E-mail addresses are not large.
A spammer could send millions of spams for only a few megabytes of traffic.
On the other hand, the open relay site would certainly be affected by bandwidth charges and that might force them to finally take action.
Yep. Even the Soviets didn't try to track their citizens this carefully.
Here in Canada we pay exhorbitant gas taxes too. But that money just goes into general revenue. Less than 10% of it is ever returned to the provinces for road construction/maintainance.
Are you sure your gas taxes are used for what they were intended? Are they separately accounted for and distributed to road budgets? I would be very surprised if they are.
Yeah, that'll be wonderful. Instead of you volunteering foreign aid to Africa or Asia, you'll be taxed at 75% to pay for equalization payments to them. Everyone can become equally poor.
Just remember how fucked up most of the world is. Do you really want them to have control over you?
I'm no scientist, but AFAIK all elements heavier than hydrogen are created in stars and during the deaths of stars as part of stellar evolution.
Hydrogen is the only element thought to have existed shortly after the big bang.
Earthlink's problem was that they used UUNet dialups and allowed relay from all UUNet dialups. So any user on any ISP using UUNet dialups (UUnet outsources dial pools for a lot of ISP's) could relay mail through Earthlink's servers.
Unlike most UUNet ISP's, or UUNet themselves for that matter, Earthlink did eventually take steps to stop this problem.
There are lots of free blacklists.
p ://relays.osirusoft.com/
http://www.orbz.org/
http://www.ordb.org/
htt
just for starters
Even worse, the Internet would be running OSI protocols, and of course it would never have taken off.
Because taken to it's logical conclusion, spam will make E-mail useless.
There are 10 million businesses in the US alone. If each of them sent you only one message per year, you would receive >27,000 messages per day.
How useful would your E-mail be to you if that were happening?
The only reason this isn't happening is because people like me who fight spam every day have kept mainstream businesses from adopting spam as a normal marketing practice.
So dismiss our concerns all you want. But every time you use E-mail for something productive, thank the anti-spammers of the world for making that possible.
Wow, anyone doing that will think I _only_ buy pr0n, and occassionally gas. The only things I don't normally pay cash for ;)