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WIPO Music Control Treaty Ratified
Greyfox writes: "Here's one that slipped through the cracks. The WIPO (You know, that unelected, unaccountable organization that lives in the Corporate back pockets) has ratified a anti-music piracy treaty which will go into effect on May 20. It apparently has anti-circumvention measures similar to the DMCA and will carry the force of law in the USA and other member countries." We had a more informative story about these two treaties a few months ago. The only new information is that the Phonograms and Performances Treaty now has enough signatures to go into effect in May.
Bush won't be pushed around by big, evil corporations!
from the referenced CNN article:
Does it have the "force of law," or does it simply mean that nations have agreed to enact laws aligned with the treaty?
Not that the intellectual "property" goons at the media empires have a prayer in the long run, anyway. They can't get away with selling bandwidth to the public on one hand and locking up content on the other. They're mutually exclusive.
(/karmawhore)
LOTR: Elijah Wood is a munchkin asshat. Yes, asshat. LOL.
they're not trying to lock up the content, they're trying to control the only means of access to it, so they can whore it like they do in every other venue
obviously this takes some doing since they didn't create the medium.. and they're using their armies of lawyers to fight their battles for them..
Who comes knocking on my door if they decide I've violated their rules/laws?
3000 dead over past 2 years, still no free Palestinians, still
(You know, that unelected, unaccountable organization that lives in the Corporate back pockets)
WIPO is a treaty. If one of the 177 countries is unhappy about being part of the WIPO treaty, they can leave. So the fact that a country is part of WIPO is indicitive of the will of the lawmaking body of the country. Furthermore, the treaty had to be ratified by each country, so it was elected. And to say that it lives in corporate back pockets indicates that you don't know much about WIPO. While it has capitalist goals, it is by no means controled by any company in any country.
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WIPO is the World Intellectual Property Organization. I don't know exactly what it is, it just sounds evil =].
Although the treaties were adopted in 1996, they are only ratified now with the signature of Honduras. The WTTP is basically the DMCA for the rest of the world. It exists to "provide protection for companies in the cultural and information industries".
I can feel my sanity, beyond my reach and slipping...
Hopefully music will get wrapped in enough red tape to drown out Britney & Westlife
The musicians are just as guilty as the record companies and the RIAA and the rest of them. No-one forces you to sign to Sony Music or Thorn EMI.
There's so much great music out there that's not distributed by the big corps you know, you don't *HAVE* to buy stuff from them.
Let them do wtf they like with their music, who cares, let them drown in their own decadence.
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The pessimist in me wants to say "bend over and kiss your ass goodbye" - the next step to a corporation-controlled digital age.
Maybe (maybe) it will get better before it gets really bad, but reality's shaping up a lot like this.
Can anybody point a link to a list of all the countries that have so far bought into this?
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And he was worried that global organizations were hurting national sovereignty, if I interpreted his speech correctly. He was talking about organizations like the World Trade Organization whose agreements bind member nations to follow their policy above their own local laws, or be punished. It isn't just the national organiztaions that we must pay attention to now, but international ones like the World Intellectual Property Organizations whose treaties bind their members to follow their laws, for better or for worse.
Are you trolling?
This treaty has been SHOVED down the throats of the "177 countries" by threats of catastrophic loss of trade agreements and obscene tolls by the USA. It's a "you're either with out entertainment industry or you're against us" treaty.
The owls are not what they seem
They don't have to accept the treaty if they don't want to. The US is dependant on these foreign countries to buy our stuff. If 80% of them decided they didn't like the way things were they could change it. It would require international cooperation and some backbone.
Do you really think, that when the 800-lb. Gorilla
USA waves the boycott-flag, you have a choice not to sign the treaty?!
johnboy
But people here seem to think that Americans are being unfairly subjected to this "unelected" body, but the U.S. could easily leave if it wanted to.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
I have no hope anymore as far as the Fair Use rights are concerned.
The owls are not what they seem
isolate consciousness somewhere in the thalamus, and you'll just be able to get any song you want directly into your thalamus (seat of consciousness). no worry about copyright. please don't ignore me.
-- Hexadecimal.
As Bill Maher have said, Bush & Cheney are Oil companies disguised as humans.
WIPO? Why is slashdot covering a story on a new brand of toilet paper?
Oooops... should have read the article before posting.
Nevermind.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Just because the treaty was ratified by 177 countries doesn't mean it was democratic. After all, what does the US do if we don't like other countries' policies? We strongarm investors to suck all their capital out of the country until they do what we tell them to. And if they go along with our policies, we reward them (or at least their corrupt leaders) with massive loans from the World Bank or IMF.
The point is that these policies are getting more universal and more severe. Take a look at the article last week about the Chinese government's firewall built by eager US corporations. We're getting to the point where the internet no longer guarantees that information will be free (like speech or beer).
Between laws enforcing intellectual property, technology that can monitor and censor internet traffic, and governments cracking down on terrorism and digital theft, we risk losing the promise of the internet.
International treaties like this one are as important to the slashdot community as anything Bill Gates or George Bush does.
(Now we just have to find effective ways to fight back)
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Consciousness isolated with a powerful computer around it would easily dominate the UN, and the rest of humans. Why worry about the UN?
-- Hexadecimal.
There are many organizations not appointed by the public or any election, and these are called de facto organizations. Most of the time these organizations exist because the government wants to do something that the public would never support, such as a fascist war on the citizens (DEA). These organizations have their own laws and regulate themselves, and do not have to pay attention to the opinions of us peasants.
Funny now that its the right that gets the blame when the UN does something they dont like.
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Can this treaty realy be compared to the DMCA. As I see it the worst part about the DMCA - restricting the freedom of speech by outlawing the *construction* of circumvention devices (read programs) - is not present in this treaty. The clost they get to this seem to be Article 18 and 19 which I interpred solely as forbing the *use* of said devices/programs. Which of course is bad that too... but not as bad as the DMCA.
If you don't like the conditions that come along with the cd you buy then DON'T BUY IT. Record companies hold the copyrights to their music so they can do whatever they want with it. If you feel that these restrictions are too harsh then you have no right to violate them. Imagine if someone looked through your window at the wallpaper in your house, decided it was an ugly color, and then broke into your house to paint all your walls pink. Would that be cool with you??
Oh, and please save the BS about artists being exploited, blah blah blah. The arguement is stale and just wrong. If artists don't want to sign with record companies then they don't have to. The fact is that the record companies offer legitimate services that are useful to artists, which is the reason so many sign on. If artists feel they are being exploited then they won't sign the contract.
To summarize: Keep your claws off American business you stupid socialists. Instead of hating on big companies, why don't you go out and start your own business?? You can be rich too if you just try!
reply to me. i am different.
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...forcing their will upon poor innocent countries but WTO, WIPO is just like say EU, UN, NATO or any other international organization. They are completely voluntary organizations, and they make rules for how one must act to take part. The treaties they come up with are the (weighted) sum of the laws they would want individually.
As in every other case, some viewpoints will be voted down to reach a common result, but that's the reason they bothered to come together in the first place. If everybody was to it their own way anyway, what would be the point?
Of course politicans will try to blame unpopular laws on somebody else, and an international body for which constituents don't vote is a perfect excuse. If you'll let them get off the hook by saying "we had to follow WIPO policy", you've lost already.
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It's bad enough that there are some great foreign films that will be probably never viewed in the United States because they are a different region (which negates travelling and legally buying the DVD and brining it back) and distributors do not consider the films worthy enough to port over to region 1. But to think that one day people might be denied exposure to music from the world's many cultures for the same reason is barbaric.
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"Here's one that slipped through the cracks. The WIPO (You know, that unelected, unaccountable organization that lives in the Corporate back pockets)
thanks for the article, but please, leave the propaganda for the discussion.
OBDisclaimer: I am not a lawyer, I picked all this up from "Ally McBeal."
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Pat Buchanan speaks about the same thing. Global organizations invading our national sovereignty would be the worst thing that could happen to our (or any) country. It would mark the destruction of the United States.
Is that there is nowhere to flee too. If you want a country with electricity, medical resources, and lack of local warfare then you're stuck with the vast majority of these crappy treaties.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
Since when does a law outside the United States apply to us? Especially when our Constitution overrules it.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
That's it, since most of my personal effects are music recordings, I now OWN virtually nothing.... and since I'm a musician, did I mention that any attempt to gain a wider audience will result in some huge, monolithic corporation dictating what I can play.... Just licensed to a slimy tentacle of the great machine that'll control all of us in 10 years or so...
In the meantime, I plan to move somewhere out of the way and raise sheep. Call me when it's time to mechanically tattoo the barcode on my forehead.
This is becoming a real problem. I know (TIC) that we are all law abiding citizens. As long as 'The Anonymous' lets the cat out of the bag as happened with DeCSS, the general population can't be judged as criminals, IMHO. (I personally don't think Jon was the one who did the decryption.) I do see the DMCA and the WIPO tripe, et al, causing one of the largest underground movements of all time in the cause of Intellectual Freedom. Some will get nailed for sure but they can't put everyone in jail.
"...has ratified a anti-music piracy treaty"
;-)
I assume you meant "anti-music-piracy" or "anti music-piracy" but I like your version better.
Seems like all these damned laws are anti-music.
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Sorry, but you have the right to preserve your investment by backing up media that you buy. This steps all over that by making it illegal to own or make devices capable of making legitimate backups.
Why is Grand Theft Auto a much more serious crime than Reckless Driving?
Anyone know what we, the lowly geeks and freedom-fighters, can do to either..."stop" this mess or find a nice way to inform these "leaders" that these kinds of treaties and laws are not only evil but (in the USA) unconstitutional?
Or let me guess..it's just something we have to live with?
I've written my letters to Gloria Blue back when this was being thought about way back when. What else can we do, PEACEFULLY...?
I'm not up on the WIPO treaties, but my take from the CNN article (which may be inaccurate) is that the treaties lack operative clauses. Think about it as the content provider's version of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. It looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but when push comes to shove, the Chinese whack all the dissidents they want anyway.
;)
So the WIPO treaties may recognize rights, but they don't offer significant remedies to enforce them.
I can't imagine a treaty with operative anti-circumvention provisions couldn't get through WIPO without more noise than we've heard... though I'll have to take a look at them.
Besides, if it was really bad, we would be knee-deep in indignant press releases from the EFF.
Your argument is missing some distinctions.
First, "countries" are not atomic entities. There are interest groups within them. The RIAA/MPAA + media giants have their allies within many of the signatory countries. They would like nothing more than to control content and the means of distributing content completely. They would also like to control prices, limit competition, and some guranteed income in the form of hardware taxes.
These groups have the advantage of money and organization, but the disadvanatge that many of them live in democratic countries. So to get what they want, they have to do an end run around the democratic process. One way to do this is with economic treaties, which are negotiated in secret, by the very groups who will benefit most from them, and are then passed on to legislatures to be rubber stamped.
Why do the legislatures rubber stamp them? Well, for one thing, the lawmakers tend to be predisposed to favor this stuff in the first place, due to a variety of filters. For instance, in the US, to even be eligable to make a run for congress requires that you raise about $1,000,000/year from wealthy individuals. This means that our representatives are not exactly a "cross-section" of the population. So the lawmakers don't view the public as some group to be served, but as an annoying constituency which should be kept quiet and under control. I'm generalizing here, but the principle is fairly accuarate. In other countries there are other filters, of varying restrictiveness.
Moreover, the media doesn't highlight these amendments. Where was the huge public debate about the Telecommunications Act? Where was the public debate about the DMCA? Why do these agreements slip under the radar? There is little discussion of them in the media -- unless through leaks or lack of control word spreads anyways, and then there is a rush to defend them. So the Nafta debate, which was caused only because Perot -- who can buy his own air time -- forced the issue onto the airwaves. And then there was a rush by the NYTimes, Washington Post, etc. to villify him and to not present the opposing views.
Finally there is the method of bundling, by which these agreements are presented to congress without possibility to amend them, as part of a larger package, for a straight up or down vote. Threats of boycotts, higher tariffs, cutting of loans/aid are big clubs than can be used against other countries to get them to sign. But the key point is that the legislatures generally want to sign these things, and the aforementioned threats are provided as cover for them to say to their citizens -- "we had to do it."
At the end of the day, you end up paying taxes when you buy a hard drive, and the police can arrest you for reverse engineering, even if your goal is to interoperate, or just provide a lower price substitute.
I recommend reading an article about the derailed Multilateral Agreement on Investements to see this dynamic at work. In the case of the MAI, media leaks, mostly on the internet, launched a grassroots effort to oppose the provisions of the MAI. This resulted in derailing the agreement as more and more of the provisions came to light, and public hearings in several countries were called. A brief excerpt:
The [Wall Street] journal goes on to urge that it will be necessary "to drum up business support" so as to beat back the hordes [of people opposed to the MAI]. Until now, business hasn't recognized the severity of the threat. And it is severe indeed. "Veteran trade diplomats" warn that with "growing demands for greater openness and accountability," it is becoming "harder for negotiators to do deals behind closed doors and submit them for rubber-stamping by parliaments." "Instead, they face pressure to gain wider popular legitimacy for their actions by explaining and defending them in public," no easy task when the hordes are concerned about "social and economic security," and when the impact of trade agreements "on ordinary people's lives...risks stirring up popular resentment" and "sensitivities over issues such as enviromental and food safety standards." It might even become impossible "to resist demands for direct participation by lobby groups in WTO decisions, which would violate one of the body's central principles": "'This is the place where governments collude in private against their domestic pressure groups,' says a former WTO official."
When in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand.
This was lobbyed for very heavily by the IFPI and the RIAA. Jason Berman is the head of the IFPI (and the former head of the RIAA, he reccommended Hilary Rosen to replace him. He is based out out New York and has been a steady fixture at the WIPO meeting and debates. One has to ask why the head of an organization based in London, lives in New York, unless this was the plan all along. He is a former Warner Bros exec and a Senate aide. While we were watching the Hilary, Berman was expanding US copyright policy to the world. More on Berman.
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You know, for a country that is supposed to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people," this doesn't sound like something most Americans want.
Did you? Or your neighbors? Or your family?
I didn't.
So why aren't our elected representatives doing their job of representing the people's wishes? After all, that's what they're supposed to do in a REPresentative PUBlic...
Oh wait -- hello RIAA and fuck you! And take those Congressmen out of your pockets!
I'm starting to think those seemingly-loony Black Bloc folks may actually have a point - if you can't save your country by friendly debate and politicizing and writing your Congressman and all that, then what's left?
If you're against this, release your music for free. If you're not an artist, learn to play an instrument and redo from start. Nobody can force you to eat if you bring your own lunch.
"International organizations probably do hurt your national sovereignty if you are American. But for the many smaller or poorer countries in the world, the international organizations at least allow them to negotiate as a block rather than bidirectionally with the much more powerful western countries. That increases their ability to strike deals in their own favour. Of course the US can always refuse to ratify any that they don't like, such as the Kyoto protocol or the UN Convention on the Rights of Children."
So were's the evidence of "poorer" countries enpowerment over the "powerful" US. Seems to me that the scales are tilted in the US's favour.
The US is much like a black hole. Influencing the surrounding environment all out of proportion to its size.
Never forgive? For something that started almost one thousand years ago.....dude you got issues.
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- the performer shall, as regards his live aural performances or perfomances fixed in phonograms, have the right
... to object to any distortion, mutilation or other modification of his performances that would be prejudicial to his reputation.
So, for example, if I take a video of Eminem and pick out the more inflammatory parts, under the rules of fair use, to demonstrate his use of hate speechI/O Error G-17: Aborting Installation
Here is the only language in the treaty concerning anti-circumvention measures:
A Contracting Party is a country that has signed the treaty. Note that the above language only requires countries to punish people who used a technological measure to violate a performer's rights, that is, to punish people who use technological measures to do piracy. A signer is not obliged to implement something like the DMCA; a far narrower law would suffice to comply with the treaty.
I am so happy I chose to stay here, in Moscow, where you can pay $2 at a newsstand for a CD full of MP3s or warez!!! Really, f#ck the corporations - I do not feel guilty for countless GBs of music on my harddisk or all the warez I knowingly choose to use. Not at all. I refuse to accept the set of values that evil american corps try to instill upon me, I refuse to recognise so called "intellectual property" - this is not within my set of beliefs and I will not change them to protect somebody's profits. From now on, I will be actively participating in any anti-globalist event I am able to. Before you start bashing me please note that I am a fully grown up person, I earn my living by managing software projects and play guitar in a real band in the evenings.
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Although I largely concur with the concerns over globalization and treaties like WTTP, I think most are missing the positive other side of the coin that will be necessitated by globalization itself: Global democracy, with actual world leadership and representatives. And direct democracy movements have recently been growing stronger, esp. in Europe. It's only a matter of time before corporations will have nowhere to escape from the world's huddled masses except maybe the planet Mars.
Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
anybody else find this statement funny?
anti-music piracy treaty
Sounds like they're finally calling it for what it really is...
..and then let's clarify "who's" rights we are protecting in the next section of definitions:
So, to convery legalese to english, this is intended to make US copyright law the de facto standard throughout the world to protect the interests of corporations (and other "legal entities").
Whew, I'm glad we aren't protecting persons' rights, I'd have been confused by this sudden 180 in Intellectual Property Law!
Show me a news source that ISN'T filled with propoganda, overt, or covert... why should /. hide its biases behind a facade of "balance"
Imagine if someone looked through your window at the wallpaper in your house, decided it was an ugly color, and then broke into your house to paint all your walls pink. Would that be cool with you??
Oh yeah? How would YOU like it if every time someone flew a white helicopter over your father's tomato farm, a rhinoceros shows up and steps on his bicycle? Yeah, would that be cool with you??
Yeah, I didn't THINK so!
I think I'll make a special effort to rip and share another gig of my music. All of us reading Slashdot should make a special effort to share MORE music and movies!
"The more you tighten your grip, Hilary, the more music will slip through your fingers."
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Protect the children from phonography! Phonography is all over the internet, and the League for Moral Turpitude will stop at nothing to destroy this exploitative industry!
DOWN WITH PHONOGRAPHY!
WIPO sucks.
Here's an interesting little snipped from Article VI of the US Constitution that most of you probably didn't know about (emphasis mine):
This Constitution... and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land.
The Supreme Court has interpreted this to mean that international treaties hold the same weight as the Constitution. This means that if a WIPO treaty trumps the First Amendment, you're up a creek.
Back in the 1950's there was a bill floating around Congress known as the Bricker Amendment that would have forbade Congress from ratifying a treaty (only requires 2/3 of the Senate) that would require a constituational amendment to do otherwise (which requires 2/3 of both houses and then 2/3 of the states). It didn't pass. Do a Google for more info.
This means that a group of people who we don't have any control over for six years at a time can trump the Constitution whenever 67 of them agree to. (Yet another reason to repeal the 17th, probably.)
There's been a new interest in the Bricker Amendment in recent years from the political right and other groups, but I don't think anything's been really done about it.
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Perhaps if we all wrote to our Congresscritters and Senators and bitched about the lack of such a law protecting us from abuses in WIPO and WTO something might get done about it.
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Doesn't the constitution specify that no treaty
is effective or binding unless ratified by Congress?
Now I know that much of the Constitution is
an irrelevant theoretic excercise, since Roosevelt
established an autocratic presidency by threatening
to pack the supreme court in order to get the
grotesquely unconstitutional ruling of washburn
in 1942, but surely this core element of the
document is still in force!
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
from Article 2: Definitions...
(b) "phonogram" means the fixation of the sounds of a performance or of other sounds, or of a representation of sounds other than in the form of a fixation incorporated in a cinematographic or other audiovisual work;
(c) "fixation" means the embodiment of sounds, or of the representations thereof, from which they can be perceived, reproduced or communicated through a device;
(d) "producer of a phonogram" means the person, or the legal entity, who or which takes the initiative and has the responsibility for the first fixation of the sounds of a performance or other sounds, or the representations of sounds;
If would appear that if a musician were to make a cassette recording of a song before going into the studio, their producer would in fact not have intellectual property rights to it.
IF this is the case, then the WIPO just managed to shoot themselves in the foot.
Article 21
Reservations
Subject to the provisions of Article 15(3), no reservations to this Treaty shall be permitted.
It would also appear, juding from article 21, that if any section of the treaty conflicts with national law and is struck down, that the entire treaty is rendered null and void. OR (depending on how you read it) that the treaty in fact overrides any national law (DMCA) and in agreeing to this treaty, the nationality agrees to either reform or abolish any law that conflicts with it.
Article 28
Signature of the Treaty
This Treaty shall be open for signature until December 31, 1997, by any Member State of WIPO and by the European Community.
Also going on to Article 28, did the treaty get the required 30 signatures before December 31, 1997?
If not then it would appear that the entire teaty is null and our lawmakers have been wasting our money and time
(like this is anything new).
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But isn't there something in the rules and regulations about our country (the USA) which says that only the government may enter into treaties with other governments? I remember reading this somewhere....
rofl... quality.
That's just silly. You don't see "Though Shalt Not Kill" engraved on each hand gun; do you?
Hmm. If they can put on cans of insecticide and air freshener, "Do not point at people", why don't they put it on handguns?
Man, it seems like only yesterday that I saw him on some low-rent teeth-whitening infomercial. Show me that smile, indeed.
The artists are hooked on the RIAA, and us consumers (well, not me), are hooked on this weird notion that we just MUST have whatever our favorite artists happen to produce. Everyone's in it together.
You KNOW that the artists aren't going to get clean- they've got too much at stake. The question is, when are the consumers ever going to get clean?
It seems to me that the author of the cited article as well as the referenced publication are missing a few salient facts.
1). In the US anyway all treaties must be ratified by Congress. It's specified as such in the US Constitution. Anything WIPO does cannot have force of law in the US without ratification by the US Congress. The last time I looked the US Congress was both accountable and elected.
2). The article clearly states that the WIPO treaty does not override national laws.
Try Cuba. Seriously.
Cuba has electricity, a better medical system than the USA and has a complete lack of local warfare.
You can also buy the best cigars in the world and the government is more linux friendly than communist china.
What more could a slashdot user want? democracy?
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You failed to mention why he died of a typical homosexual linux inspired death: http://www.linux.org.uk/~telsa/index.html
It might just be me, but if my wife looked like that, I would take a severe disinterest in sex.
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
The whole idea of having different branches of government is for accountability and potential abuse of power. Its called checks and balances. Other governments besides the American one state that the police and FBI may only enforce laws only! Not make laws. And the legislative branch may only write laws but NOT enforce them. This protects governments from dictators.
But is there any branch of government that the wipo can be checked and balanced from? The EU also scares me. The officials are not elected but appointed and have no checks or balances either. They could write a dmca equalivant and it WILL NEVER BE APPEALED. Globalization in this style could be disaster. But the scariest of this whole mess is I am conservative and not one of the anti globalization zealots. I hate government interaction but it seems that extreme corporatism is making the governments move so far to the right that they began to resemble the left. Ask any political science professor about this. Politics is like a clock. Someone who is extremely left or right may actually resemble each other more then someone near the center.
As a republican I will proudly support McCain during the next presidential primaries. We need to take our government back from corporate extremists on the far right and left of both parties and end totalitarian globalization now before we lose all our rights!
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Note the language here: Everything is forbidden unless the government or the "content" provider grants express permission.
This default configuration setting is incorrect, because it is socially oppressive. It is the setting used by totalitarian regimes, both public and private; republican and monarchical. It is an evolutionary dead-end.
The correct configuration setting would be that all uses and actions are permitted unless expressly forbidden by law, or by a contract signed by both parties (none of this shrinkwrap/clickwrap horsesh*t). This setting makes it hard to oppress the populace, which is what you want.
...Unless you're a greedy, power-mongering, little tinpot dictator.
Schwab
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
What happens if the Performer (eg. Brittany) and the Producer (whatever label she's with at the moment) don't agree on terms of distrution, reproduction, etc? Who trumps whom? Would this make it easier for performers to sue their management for their copyrights (assuming they decided not to be Sheep any longer..)
> . It's like outlawing the picking of locks made of butter.
I second the comment about adding an 'Inspired analogy' moderation category. And IMO the 'butter lock' definately counts!
like anyone cares in USA about treaties !
Kyoto/Geneva/ABM ring any bells ?
Please carry on and tell everyone you know to do the same
I have never paid for software or music since broadband , and things aint gonna change.
and im 45 and work in software too
corps screw me so i screw them
all is fair in love and war (except in USA)
S'right. Greed & fame make terrible masters.
"I want to be a pop star" seems an overwhelming dream for the attention starved nobodies.
I've worked in the music business and to my mind talented people are ten a penny. Music is a relatively easy discipline. Sure, touring can be hard work but it's not in the same league as coal mining or sewing Nike trainers together. Most of the crap pumped through the big boy channels is just pretty young things acting as clothes hangers to people like Pete Waterman and Nigel Whatsit (the guy behind Westlife & co).
The TV stations pump it up, hyping away at their new puppets so they can fill their airtime. Cosy deals between the big distributors of content put up invisible trade barriers. Mindless soporific pap to brainwash the nation into thinking that factory work is okay because as least I can fantasize about fucking Kylie when I wtach the Brit Awards tonight.
As you can tell it just doesn't sit happily with me. Bitter? yeah, pint please and a bag of nuts.
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Shave that terrible growth on the top of your head, man!
Which kind of war? Regular or economic?
I get the feeling that CD will be the last un-superficially-encrypted format. It still puzzles me why the content business is being so bloody minded here. Surely they are no worse off with a new format as unprotected as CD? Surely the problem (in both meanings) of copy protection is orthogonal to the problem of media capacity? Perhaps the media manufacturers should just create a simple format like CD only bigger, let everyone use it as they wish - and let the content business worry about how to pervert it in their own time.
And who would have thought that you can only buy Monty Python in Region 1 (US)? I think that fact alone negates any arguments for region coding :)
Pretty much everything you've said relates to the flaws in the US lawmaking process
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Yes:) I am an American. The little I know of the situation in the EU is that there are similar filters. There they take the form of a more class(and so wealth) based beauracracy which is so byzantine that no one can police it, and removed from popular influence by ever-increasing administrative layers. In the third world, with exceptions, politics are much more violent and dealing with popular pressures is not so much of an issue.
That's 1/177 down. The parent's post is still accurate: WIPO resolutions, like those of all other international bodies, require ratification by member-states before they have force of law. Think of WIPO et al like you would the W3C
Here in California, we have some direct democracy in the form of propositions each election cycle. We're routinely blitzed by commercials from groups such as "Concerned Citizens for Environmental Responsibility". If you read the bylaws of these groups, they claim to be just that -- a grassroots campaign to educate the public about environmental issues. But it's easy to see that the above group, say, is actually a front for oil companies who want to enable off shore drilling. It only exists to pass/derail some resolution and has a membership which you can count on your hand. Now, you can argue that if we democratically elect members to this group of concerned citizens, that the organization might be reformed and would then serve some useful purpose. I just have no idea why anyone would want to do that (see end of rant).
This is pretty much the case with WIPO. Statements like "the US is only 1/177 of WIPO" " and "Corporations influence it only to the extent that they influence the member states" are only true in the actual WIPO bylaws, and --possibly -- some political science articles.
In reality the US must be atleast 2/3 of WIPO (in terms of influence) and Europe maybe 1/3 -- the rest of the world, including China, constitutes a rounding error. And in terms of corporate influence, it's not only that the actual proposals are negotiated/written by corporate attorneys, many of whom don't even bother to take on govt. jobs, but most top governmental officials are unaware of what these lawyers agree to. This includes congressional chairs of foreign trade, although I imagine that the Bush Administration's top trade executive is occasionally briefed on the matter.
In fact, the very existence of an orginization called "WIPO" already prejudices the situation, since the natural course of all developed countries has been to ignore (foreign) IP laws entirely -- except possibly limited rights of attribution. It wasn't until the end of the 19th century that the US began to pay lip service to any foreign IP rights at all. And not until after WWI, when we confiscated many patents from Germany, did we even begin to take foreign IP rights seriously. Currently, even in the more developed countries, foreign IP rights were (and are) ignored on a selective basis. And so just the desire to codify and enforce IP laws worldwide is already a huge slap in the face of development efforts going on in the third world, and has no popular support in those countries.
This is not like W3C or the UN; and it's difficult to imagine what a "democratic" world wide IP regime might be, other than some statement to the effect of "There should not be a worldwide IP regime".
When in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand.
This may seem like a joke / lame / etc type question. But I am serious, I am one of the few people that is willing to DO something to say FUCK YOU to the government ... but other than breaking every law I think is bullshit I don't know how else to say FUCK YOU ... Can someone gimme some ideas? Nothing to do with bodily hard ... and nothing that is legal. Lemme give some examples:
-- I host decss
-- I share all my tunes (about 180gigs) on the gnutella network
-- I don't pay taxes
Please give me some more....
I guess that explains my nightmares last night, I dreamed about the most ugly family in the world.
Yuck, can you imagine her having children?
That guy has to have a lot of blindfolds about his bed. That guy has to be crazy married to a witch like her.
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
I heard he suffocated in his sister's fecal feces.
Does anyone know why the WIPO Phonograms and Performances Treaty is called WTTP?