Unless of course he is just going to swim during the day, and at night sleep on a boat
I would accept this.
Not only does it rob artists and actors of their well deserved money, but now it drowns people as well.
Another reason to stop ALL downloads no matter how innocent the users claim it need be. Also stop that damn Hyper Text Terminal Protocal thingy - the biggest sinner of them all.
Thanks to the generous works of the RIAA/MPAA and their technological break-throughs we can now track your downloads. We know you did it, oh and the RIAA/MPAA wants their music/movie downloads back. You will be charged with a few crimes you damned terrorist.
I blatantly admit that my promise was based more on joy and enthusiasm than my swimming abilities and physical health, I will do my very best to keep it
Those of you that helped kill this man will have to serve time in jail. It will be calculated based on the number of times you downloaded the software divided by 1 million calculated based on the yars for this premeditated murder.
Even if he went from the shortest possible points of EU to Iceland and then drove from it's SE coast to it's SW coast to get the shortest possible route to the US. Even if he was followed by a luxary yacht (hopefully he is) with a medical crew onboard. And EVEN if he sleeps on the yacht each night to get a good meal (assuming the yacht stayed stationary) and he swam at least 8-12 hours a day - I would be happy. Cause swimming for anymore then a few minutes (for a non-trained person) is tiring. Swimming for 30 minutes for a non-trained impossible is damn hard....swimming for 8-12 hours for a trained person is damn near impossible.
Is the story poster scared of the "another dupe" tossings? I much preferred "Update to previous story" or some such. Much better then what was used by the story poster. The "We've covered this previously" sounds between a cross of: "Hey idiot, listen to us for the SECOND time" OR "It's a slow news day, we are doing repeats today."
My numbers were out of the numbers of people who had office suites. So if you only have notepad (or word pad) on your computer - you do not have an office suite. If you have things like open office, ms office, star office, lotus notes, wordperfect, etc. It was a rough guess - but you know what, I have yet to see anyone running, on their computer, anything but MS office. This goes from college life, to business life, to friends. Even when people get things like Lotus notes that comes with their computer (my Toshiba a couple years ago came with this) - they still get office.
I understand the thought process that an "official" standard needs to come from organizations (ieee, w3c, ecma, etc) BUT that is just paper and means nothing in the face of public. Some other poster said the EU council named Open Office (i believe) as a standard. What does that matter if the majority of people and businesses are still using MS OFfice and are going to continue to do so down the line? That "standard" is not worth the paper its printed on. From dictionary.com (on the word Standard) :
Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence
Now, while I agree a standard can come from organizations, as said above, that is not a requirement for something to be considered a standard. To me, many others (I presume also you) - a widely accepted and utilized practice/product is more of a standard then what is written on paper by some organization.
Well hopefully it won't be that bad. Though even an open standard can become obsolete with time for another standard no? THen again, lets look at things like Intuit Quicken - you can take any quicken file - from the very first version and it will work in any version. Here is a closed source company that has a proven, positive, track record and the financial data is portable from every version.
While it would be nice to see more Open Office usage - in reality, companies are going to stick around with what works for them - especially when it is important for it to be compatible with other companies. The amount of money spent on things like Software Assurance for companies that make millions every year is just not that much.
Real Standard = a protocal that is accepted and used by the general populace. It is nice that a group of people are sitting somwhere waving their wands and saying "we approve you, but not you". Guess what, that holds no water when the public says "No, our credit cards want to use the OTHER guy." Just cause you don't like MS Office compared to Open Office, and just because some council, proscribed by the EU gov't waves its magic wand does not make it a standard. Surely you can see that the people have spoken (I am not saying they are correct, but that doesn't matter... see VHS & BetaMAX).
I don't know. I am not in your office. At my office, we don't seem to have that problem here with our 300+ page, uber-custom documents. Maybe the people at your office don't know how to use Word?
Wasn't everyone supposed to get an allowance to upgrade their TV? Though that won't say anything to my monthly cable bill, but if they are wanting to give me money buy a new TV that wouldn't be too bad. Whats a 52 inch HDTV run? I have no reason to upgrade my current Sony Trinitron that I bought in 94. It runs just as good today as it did back then. Can someone assure me that todays latest and greatest HD TV (SONY obviously) will run for over 10 years.
You have it all wrong, my cable bill is not high enough. You know - why pay 23$ for basic cable when I can pay 50 some dollars for a service I will not really use (i pretty much only watch the basic fox/upn/wb/cbs channels). Sheesh you people do not understand - the cable company is just wanting us to enjoy MORE tv shows that they put out.
You must be referring to a standard as being the most widely accepted
This is exactly what makes an industry standard. The majority used product is the industry standard. In the case of MS what is the standard - 85-95%? Thats a LOT.
I want to buy my kids a computer. I know nothing about them - but I hear Dell is great. THey also have this awesome deal for $400 - computer, monitor and printer!!! And it comes iwth 1 year free support. Then, I go and buy the student verseion of MS Office for 50. $450 and I got an industry standardized computer. And look - me the dummy parant doesn't have to go take courses in how to use Linux - because I know how to use Windows from Work.....and how many of my friends know linux? Maybe one or two and well they either don't have time, I don't have time, or some other reason why I can't won't learn.
Convenience its a wonderful thing - and this is what most people thing of...remember most people !=/. people. Like it or not - industry standard has its advantages.
Open source is not an industry standard. That is like saying clsoed source is an industry standard. That is nonsensical.
I have reserves about SUN support (as I use them a lot) but other then that - why drag our kids into our wars of OSS vs Close Source? Do you really want your kid to be at a disadvantage vs someone elses kids. When Open Office becomes the defacto standard then get your kid to study that - until then have him study what will offer him the most amount of help in business - MS Office. YOu may not like it - but his future employee probably does not give a rats ass about your OSS movement... It sounds harsh, but that is life.
All of our word documents get converted to word before they get sent to our client. We have large, fortune 500 clients (kinkos, aramark, and more).
As for finding it difficult - I could setup up a download from my personal website of one of our training documents - but that would violate a couple of NDA's that I signed, not to mention break any copyright laws - so I cannot prove it to you. Suffice it to say - it should not be hard to believe that there are ducments that run in the 300+ pages range (plenty of them to find in a book store).
Our documents are reliable. They open, close, etc. We put lots of heavy customization.
I do not expect students to shell out hundreds of bucks for a new copy of word - i expect a student to get the professional student version - which is just like the professional version except it has a "Student version" branding on it and it costs $50.00/license. I would assume that schools can also put on each computer a $50.00 version - not this "hundreds of dollars" crap everyone is spouting.
It's a training document for sales people. While your rhetoric is touching - it still does not deal with the fact of life - MS is an industry standard. The best things for these kids is to know how to use the industry standard, advanced users can move to non-standard. When I have kids, I will not care so much about "Oh the OSS community" I will care about his education and if knowing MS office will put him one step ahead of the kid who knows Open Office - then good.
I am not claiming to be an expert on Open Office, but did you consider the tech support of it? Also the compatibility? I know that we cannot use Open Office in our firm because our documents will not open properly there. We have documents that are hundreds of pages of custom work, including our normal.dot files.
THere are benefits to using industry standard programs.
....EU lifted all penalties, sanctions and restrictions from Microsoft. Quoted from the commissioner "After long hard thinking through the New Year, we decided to turn over a new leaf. Those MicroSoft guys work really hard to provide us with an extravegant holiday season...I mean well written software."
Slashdot Mirror
Unless of course he is just going to swim during the day, and at night sleep on a boat
I would accept this.
Not only does it rob artists and actors of their well deserved money, but now it drowns people as well.
Another reason to stop ALL downloads no matter how innocent the users claim it need be. Also stop that damn Hyper Text Terminal Protocal thingy - the biggest sinner of them all.
Thanks to the generous works of the RIAA/MPAA and their technological break-throughs we can now track your downloads. We know you did it, oh and the RIAA/MPAA wants their music/movie downloads back. You will be charged with a few crimes you damned terrorist.
He already has:
I blatantly admit that my promise was based more on joy and enthusiasm than my swimming abilities and physical health, I will do my very best to keep it
Those of you that helped kill this man will have to serve time in jail. It will be calculated based on the number of times you downloaded the software divided by 1 million calculated based on the yars for this premeditated murder.
Yea download, delete, download delete. So much for increasing revenue through ad-driven software.
Even if he went from the shortest possible points of EU to Iceland and then drove from it's SE coast to it's SW coast to get the shortest possible route to the US. Even if he was followed by a luxary yacht (hopefully he is) with a medical crew onboard. And EVEN if he sleeps on the yacht each night to get a good meal (assuming the yacht stayed stationary) and he swam at least 8-12 hours a day - I would be happy. Cause swimming for anymore then a few minutes (for a non-trained person) is tiring. Swimming for 30 minutes for a non-trained impossible is damn hard....swimming for 8-12 hours for a trained person is damn near impossible.
I like pictures. Now while I can go to the site, no pictures show up. Anyone got a mirror somewhere?
Is the story poster scared of the "another dupe" tossings? I much preferred "Update to previous story" or some such. Much better then what was used by the story poster. The "We've covered this previously" sounds between a cross of: "Hey idiot, listen to us for the SECOND time" OR "It's a slow news day, we are doing repeats today."
My numbers were out of the numbers of people who had office suites. So if you only have notepad (or word pad) on your computer - you do not have an office suite. If you have things like open office, ms office, star office, lotus notes, wordperfect, etc. It was a rough guess - but you know what, I have yet to see anyone running, on their computer, anything but MS office. This goes from college life, to business life, to friends. Even when people get things like Lotus notes that comes with their computer (my Toshiba a couple years ago came with this) - they still get office.
I understand the thought process that an "official" standard needs to come from organizations (ieee, w3c, ecma, etc) BUT that is just paper and means nothing in the face of public. Some other poster said the EU council named Open Office (i believe) as a standard. What does that matter if the majority of people and businesses are still using MS OFfice and are going to continue to do so down the line? That "standard" is not worth the paper its printed on. From dictionary.com (on the word Standard) :
Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence
Now, while I agree a standard can come from organizations, as said above, that is not a requirement for something to be considered a standard. To me, many others (I presume also you) - a widely accepted and utilized practice/product is more of a standard then what is written on paper by some organization.
Well hopefully it won't be that bad. Though even an open standard can become obsolete with time for another standard no? THen again, lets look at things like Intuit Quicken - you can take any quicken file - from the very first version and it will work in any version. Here is a closed source company that has a proven, positive, track record and the financial data is portable from every version.
While it would be nice to see more Open Office usage - in reality, companies are going to stick around with what works for them - especially when it is important for it to be compatible with other companies. The amount of money spent on things like Software Assurance for companies that make millions every year is just not that much.
Real Standard = a protocal that is accepted and used by the general populace. It is nice that a group of people are sitting somwhere waving their wands and saying "we approve you, but not you". Guess what, that holds no water when the public says "No, our credit cards want to use the OTHER guy." Just cause you don't like MS Office compared to Open Office, and just because some council, proscribed by the EU gov't waves its magic wand does not make it a standard. Surely you can see that the people have spoken (I am not saying they are correct, but that doesn't matter... see VHS & BetaMAX).
I don't know. I am not in your office. At my office, we don't seem to have that problem here with our 300+ page, uber-custom documents. Maybe the people at your office don't know how to use Word?
Wasn't everyone supposed to get an allowance to upgrade their TV? Though that won't say anything to my monthly cable bill, but if they are wanting to give me money buy a new TV that wouldn't be too bad. Whats a 52 inch HDTV run? I have no reason to upgrade my current Sony Trinitron that I bought in 94. It runs just as good today as it did back then. Can someone assure me that todays latest and greatest HD TV (SONY obviously) will run for over 10 years.
You have it all wrong, my cable bill is not high enough. You know - why pay 23$ for basic cable when I can pay 50 some dollars for a service I will not really use (i pretty much only watch the basic fox/upn/wb/cbs channels). Sheesh you people do not understand - the cable company is just wanting us to enjoy MORE tv shows that they put out.
You must be referring to a standard as being the most widely accepted
This is exactly what makes an industry standard. The majority used product is the industry standard. In the case of MS what is the standard - 85-95%? Thats a LOT.
I want to buy my kids a computer. I know nothing about them - but I hear Dell is great. THey also have this awesome deal for $400 - computer, monitor and printer!!! And it comes iwth 1 year free support. Then, I go and buy the student verseion of MS Office for 50. $450 and I got an industry standardized computer. And look - me the dummy parant doesn't have to go take courses in how to use Linux - because I know how to use Windows from Work.....and how many of my friends know linux? Maybe one or two and well they either don't have time, I don't have time, or some other reason why I can't won't learn.
/. people. Like it or not - industry standard has its advantages.
Convenience its a wonderful thing - and this is what most people thing of...remember most people !=
Oh yea, three user license for right here Here
For the low low price of 111.00. Go buy one of these, split the cost with two other parents.
Open source is not an industry standard. That is like saying clsoed source is an industry standard. That is nonsensical.
I have reserves about SUN support (as I use them a lot) but other then that - why drag our kids into our wars of OSS vs Close Source? Do you really want your kid to be at a disadvantage vs someone elses kids. When Open Office becomes the defacto standard then get your kid to study that - until then have him study what will offer him the most amount of help in business - MS Office. YOu may not like it - but his future employee probably does not give a rats ass about your OSS movement... It sounds harsh, but that is life.
Err, damn /. needs edit. All of our word documents get converted to PDF before they get sent to our client :)
All of our word documents get converted to word before they get sent to our client. We have large, fortune 500 clients (kinkos, aramark, and more).
As for finding it difficult - I could setup up a download from my personal website of one of our training documents - but that would violate a couple of NDA's that I signed, not to mention break any copyright laws - so I cannot prove it to you. Suffice it to say - it should not be hard to believe that there are ducments that run in the 300+ pages range (plenty of them to find in a book store).
Our documents are reliable. They open, close, etc. We put lots of heavy customization.
I do not expect students to shell out hundreds of bucks for a new copy of word - i expect a student to get the professional student version - which is just like the professional version except it has a "Student version" branding on it and it costs $50.00/license. I would assume that schools can also put on each computer a $50.00 version - not this "hundreds of dollars" crap everyone is spouting.
It's a training document for sales people. While your rhetoric is touching - it still does not deal with the fact of life - MS is an industry standard. The best things for these kids is to know how to use the industry standard, advanced users can move to non-standard. When I have kids, I will not care so much about "Oh the OSS community" I will care about his education and if knowing MS office will put him one step ahead of the kid who knows Open Office - then good.
I am not claiming to be an expert on Open Office, but did you consider the tech support of it? Also the compatibility? I know that we cannot use Open Office in our firm because our documents will not open properly there. We have documents that are hundreds of pages of custom work, including our normal.dot files.
THere are benefits to using industry standard programs.
....EU lifted all penalties, sanctions and restrictions from Microsoft. Quoted from the commissioner "After long hard thinking through the New Year, we decided to turn over a new leaf. Those MicroSoft guys work really hard to provide us with an extravegant holiday season...I mean well written software."
Apparantly Intel cannot seem to find those "umpteen" copies in libraries all over the world.