Or, just don't get greedy, take the money and run. Just cause Intel is ready to give 10k does not mean the rest of the world is.
What is with the moral/ethical thing of giving it to the local library? Is it not moral to sell the book to a collector? Yes the library really needs a collectors magazine that will get used and abused (or stolen). They could, for informational purposes, use a reprinted version.
"Swim from Norway to the US....or die trying" Sorry there is no way. It would take him months to do it - assuming he had the stamina. People barely do the English channel, no way he is doing this little pond.
And you still did not answer my question. But given this tidbit of information - well obviously there can be no civil liberties broken - ever. I mean the whole Martin L King movement must have been a hoax - minorities never did lose rights - they were making it up. Dude sorry, i normally do not resort to this but you are really blinded or insane.
no they dont have less rights. You have not fundementally proved that they have less rights, merely that they do not have other rights that heterosexuals do not have.
You just proved it for me. Thanks.
In the UNited States (of which I assume you are a citizen) there is a process that can be taken to alter the constitution, or change the laws regarding these things.
Where in the constitution does it say a man cannot marry a man?
I just realized, you are either a troll (though I doubt this), a bigot, or just really ignorant to society. I am hoping for the latter.
Though both may have been something because of how a person was raised.
Two brothers, roughly born the same time. One is gay one is straight. I guess mom had a greater influence on the gay one right? Prove that its nurture and not nature? What about the rough and tough dad who raises his son to be a ladies-man, only to find out one day that his son is gay? What about the gay parents who raise a straight child?
For me to say "I am white" it is easy to look at my skin and make that judgement
I had a friend in HS. I thought he was white. His skin was white, he had blue eyes, brown hair, a white persons facial features - did not look african american. His mom and dad are black. People look at me and say I am white...I am middle eastern which is Asian. Physical appearance is not a needed qualifier of what you are.
So you have your conundrum, you want your choice to be true to the extent you feel this is a civil rights issue and that your rights are being denied
Can two men go to any court townhouse in this country and say "I want to marry my lover, who is also a man."? Nope. They cannot - it's a civil rights issue. A person does not have to prove they are gay by some genetic testing, they just have to live the life and that is proof enough. A straight guy is not going to have sex with men unless he is gay (or bi-sexual)
Christianity at this point, though I consider it a choice of the environment I was raised in.
That is called being raised by "nurture".
You are obviously not going to listen to what I have to say. Keep believing that a person chooses to be gay, keep believing that there is no civil rights issues - that gay people are treated just the same as everyone else. It is really a shame though that you think that. It does not matter if oyu think it is a persons choice or not a persons choice - if a person is gay they have less rights then if they were straight. There cannot be an argument about that - and if you choose to do so then you are very very very blind to what is going on in our country and the world.
Business entities do have rules and regulations that govern them. They have certain rights they can claim to. "Right" is a loose word to say the leat - it is any rule that grants you the ability to do certain actions. Also, lets not alianate corps all together...a corporation is run by people and people definitly have rights.
The problem with your last paragraph and the right of the consumer to do whatever they want with the product (not entirely true either, there are many products that consumers can buy which they are not allowed to do anything they want with....i.e. guns, dynamyte, air conditioners that use CFC's, etc.)...but in our case - the difference between me buying a car and modding it up, and me buying a program - is that I can easily and with nil cost reproduce that game and give it to people for free. I cannot reproduce that car and just give it away for free (or sell it) without heavy infrastructure. THere is your difference. And in all honesty - you and I both know that people copy programs and give it to people.
his donations amount to one of us giving about 500 bucks to the cause, some more, some less. WOW. not bad for a lifetime contribution.
Thats such a bogus comparison - really it is. First off, donations - any donations - are awesome. Second, who says a person has to donate x% of their salary. the 1% is that your assumption, do you know how much he donated? Not to mention, you said "lifetime" - he ain't dead yet - he is still fairly young and will have a lot more time to donate. Have you donated 5-10% of your worth?
Actually, Gator, properly managed was a great utility - gotta love zone alarm. But then again, maybe we should blame Bill Gates for all the woes of the computer world - thats right its all his fault...and anything good in the computer world is solely the blessing of the Open Source community right?
lynchin a group of oppressors is not, imho, a bad thing. Imagine if someone went out and lynched a few nazi's back in the day - would you cry for them? Imagine if someone lynched a few KKK members, would you cry for them? Hurting a group who likes to oppress people is not the same thing the group does. The group is oppressing people for nonsensical reasons - my desire to oppress them is because they are hurting innocents - thusly not being innocents themselves.
MY dress level is commensurate with my salary. When I worked for a company, the trainer there said "if you are looking to advance in the company, you should dress as a person who is in a position two levels above yours" (a couple of companies have told me this). My response: "I make 30k/year, the person two positions above me makes 150k+ a year...how am i supposed to buy clothing to match his clothing? How about I let my work quality speak for the level I should be at, and then when I get the position/salary of a person 2 levels above me I will dress in that position."
Usually that either gained me a stuck up nose from the person who spoke too soon, and some respect from my fellow workers - or well - one company I quit after a couple of weeks.
1. you need to fundementally prove this. You cannot just state it to be so and then have it be true.
How can I prove something that is not there? Prove to me that it is a choice. For me it is not a choice. Yes I could force myself to go to a guy, kiss him and try and have sex with him...then again, I could also take a knife and stab my hand with it, then take the knife and poke my eye out. So since my sexuality is not a choice, (the same of my friends/acquaintences), then it is a logical assumption that it is not about a choice - it is how you feel.
As for protection - if there is supposed to be this separation of church and state - how is the church getting the state to pass anti-gay laws. Same as usual - state is run by people, people have beliefs, people vote and lobby on these beliefs. I do not think religious rights should be removed (Thats insane) but I think sexuality rights should be on the same level as religious rights.
They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
You gotta really stop with the "they all" comments. Not every Christian person has a problem with gays. There might be a legitimate poll out there that gives rough numbers - but I would bet that you couldn't legitmately say "most". It tends to be that the bigots who don't want gays to get equal rights are the loudest voices - while most of us are like "Hey I hope the best for gays...now let me go back to watching Enterprise." Don't let a bunch of loud mouths make you think all of Christiandom is a bad thing.
Religion is a choice - and sexual orientation is not a choice. It is an urge - and while some people are confused, some people go both ways, etc it is really a feeling. For me, just thinking about kissing another guy is totally revolting and makes me want to puke - so no I really don't have a choice about my sexual orientation. I have friends, who are gay and lesbian, who agree with me - to them kissing someone of the opposite sex is revolting. I do not know your sexual orientation - but lets assume you are a straight male...Would you go with another male? Why not? And don't tell me "cause i don't want to" - explain it. I explained my reasoning - I feel nautious and sick thinking about it - along the lines of having sex with an animal. But that is my biology.
The thing is with gay rights - people don't want to have to hide it - just like people don't want to have to hide their religion. THe same rights that protect religion should protect sexual orientation - no matter if you think it is a choice or not a choice (even more so if it is not a choice). Also, gay rights needs to be fought for because many states do not allow gays to get married with their significant others. How unfair is that.
As for proving if you are gay or not...a private investigator follows you for a few months -- eventually you will get caught. And, obviously, there are the stereotypical gays which scream gay at a mile away.
While I am not Christian myself, I think I find the statement: In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy: wholly offensive. Just because there are a bunch of rotten apples in the position of power/leadership in the Christian community does not mean the entire community (or the faith) is bad.
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wouldn't be such a bad thing.
MS and the PC Clone made computers cheaper. MAC was, and to a large part still is, very expensive. They, until recently (and still to a large part) are more locked down then Windows.
Yes, obviously, donating 1% of his 60 billion dollar worth (which equal 600 million) is nothing at all. HIs donation of 45 million to TB/AIDs research, also means nothing.
The positive things he has done for the industry you ask. Well you may say Windows sucks - but software like windows is what helped bring the non-technical person to the computer - and that brought their money - which helped increase the computer industry to what it is today.
So far the only person speaking out of his ass is you. But then again, the problem with speaking with people like you - no matter what we show that Bill or people like him have done as positive - you will say "well that doesn't count, because its a cheap stunt." I guess everyone donating donates as a cheap stunt. Your a troll - go jack off to a porn mag.
oh please, get off it. The high horse ain't that high. 1) if you can't learn to forgive people for doing bad things (i didn't say forget) then you are probably in a world of trouble yourself 2) lets not forget all the good that Billy has also done. I would list it all, but I don't have a day or two to do all of that research.
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Or, just don't get greedy, take the money and run. Just cause Intel is ready to give 10k does not mean the rest of the world is.
What is with the moral/ethical thing of giving it to the local library? Is it not moral to sell the book to a collector? Yes the library really needs a collectors magazine that will get used and abused (or stolen). They could, for informational purposes, use a reprinted version.
If he does follow through, I will accept "In recent news, an idiot tech. CEO died trying to swim from Norway to the US on a bet."
I guess this is as good a time as any to test Opera with my company eLearning software... that or be considered aiding pre-meditated murder/suicide ;)
You're blonde right?
"Swim from Norway to the US....or die trying" Sorry there is no way. It would take him months to do it - assuming he had the stamina. People barely do the English channel, no way he is doing this little pond.
And you still did not answer my question. But given this tidbit of information - well obviously there can be no civil liberties broken - ever. I mean the whole Martin L King movement must have been a hoax - minorities never did lose rights - they were making it up. Dude sorry, i normally do not resort to this but you are really blinded or insane.
no they dont have less rights. You have not fundementally proved that they have less rights, merely that they do not have other rights that heterosexuals do not have.
You just proved it for me. Thanks.
In the UNited States (of which I assume you are a citizen) there is a process that can be taken to alter the constitution, or change the laws regarding these things.
Where in the constitution does it say a man cannot marry a man?
I just realized, you are either a troll (though I doubt this), a bigot, or just really ignorant to society. I am hoping for the latter.
Though both may have been something because of how a person was raised.
Two brothers, roughly born the same time. One is gay one is straight. I guess mom had a greater influence on the gay one right? Prove that its nurture and not nature? What about the rough and tough dad who raises his son to be a ladies-man, only to find out one day that his son is gay? What about the gay parents who raise a straight child?
For me to say "I am white" it is easy to look at my skin and make that judgement
I had a friend in HS. I thought he was white. His skin was white, he had blue eyes, brown hair, a white persons facial features - did not look african american. His mom and dad are black. People look at me and say I am white...I am middle eastern which is Asian. Physical appearance is not a needed qualifier of what you are.
So you have your conundrum, you want your choice to be true to the extent you feel this is a civil rights issue and that your rights are being denied
Can two men go to any court townhouse in this country and say "I want to marry my lover, who is also a man."? Nope. They cannot - it's a civil rights issue. A person does not have to prove they are gay by some genetic testing, they just have to live the life and that is proof enough. A straight guy is not going to have sex with men unless he is gay (or bi-sexual)
Christianity at this point, though I consider it a choice of the environment I was raised in.
That is called being raised by "nurture".
You are obviously not going to listen to what I have to say. Keep believing that a person chooses to be gay, keep believing that there is no civil rights issues - that gay people are treated just the same as everyone else. It is really a shame though that you think that. It does not matter if oyu think it is a persons choice or not a persons choice - if a person is gay they have less rights then if they were straight. There cannot be an argument about that - and if you choose to do so then you are very very very blind to what is going on in our country and the world.
Business entities do have rules and regulations that govern them. They have certain rights they can claim to. "Right" is a loose word to say the leat - it is any rule that grants you the ability to do certain actions. Also, lets not alianate corps all together...a corporation is run by people and people definitly have rights.
The problem with your last paragraph and the right of the consumer to do whatever they want with the product (not entirely true either, there are many products that consumers can buy which they are not allowed to do anything they want with....i.e. guns, dynamyte, air conditioners that use CFC's, etc.)...but in our case - the difference between me buying a car and modding it up, and me buying a program - is that I can easily and with nil cost reproduce that game and give it to people for free. I cannot reproduce that car and just give it away for free (or sell it) without heavy infrastructure. THere is your difference. And in all honesty - you and I both know that people copy programs and give it to people.
his donations amount to one of us giving about 500 bucks to the cause, some more, some less. WOW. not bad for a lifetime contribution.
Thats such a bogus comparison - really it is. First off, donations - any donations - are awesome. Second, who says a person has to donate x% of their salary. the 1% is that your assumption, do you know how much he donated? Not to mention, you said "lifetime" - he ain't dead yet - he is still fairly young and will have a lot more time to donate. Have you donated 5-10% of your worth?
Actually, Gator, properly managed was a great utility - gotta love zone alarm. But then again, maybe we should blame Bill Gates for all the woes of the computer world - thats right its all his fault...and anything good in the computer world is solely the blessing of the Open Source community right?
Your a troll.
lynchin a group of oppressors is not, imho, a bad thing. Imagine if someone went out and lynched a few nazi's back in the day - would you cry for them? Imagine if someone lynched a few KKK members, would you cry for them? Hurting a group who likes to oppress people is not the same thing the group does. The group is oppressing people for nonsensical reasons - my desire to oppress them is because they are hurting innocents - thusly not being innocents themselves.
So, pray tell, how much are these suits going to run me after a tailor and the 10-15% of from ebay? Assuming I had to get five of them.
MY dress level is commensurate with my salary. When I worked for a company, the trainer there said "if you are looking to advance in the company, you should dress as a person who is in a position two levels above yours" (a couple of companies have told me this). My response: "I make 30k/year, the person two positions above me makes 150k+ a year...how am i supposed to buy clothing to match his clothing? How about I let my work quality speak for the level I should be at, and then when I get the position/salary of a person 2 levels above me I will dress in that position."
Usually that either gained me a stuck up nose from the person who spoke too soon, and some respect from my fellow workers - or well - one company I quit after a couple of weeks.
1. you need to fundementally prove this. You cannot just state it to be so and then have it be true.
How can I prove something that is not there? Prove to me that it is a choice. For me it is not a choice. Yes I could force myself to go to a guy, kiss him and try and have sex with him...then again, I could also take a knife and stab my hand with it, then take the knife and poke my eye out. So since my sexuality is not a choice, (the same of my friends/acquaintences), then it is a logical assumption that it is not about a choice - it is how you feel.
As for protection - if there is supposed to be this separation of church and state - how is the church getting the state to pass anti-gay laws. Same as usual - state is run by people, people have beliefs, people vote and lobby on these beliefs. I do not think religious rights should be removed (Thats insane) but I think sexuality rights should be on the same level as religious rights.
They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
You gotta really stop with the "they all" comments. Not every Christian person has a problem with gays. There might be a legitimate poll out there that gives rough numbers - but I would bet that you couldn't legitmately say "most". It tends to be that the bigots who don't want gays to get equal rights are the loudest voices - while most of us are like "Hey I hope the best for gays...now let me go back to watching Enterprise." Don't let a bunch of loud mouths make you think all of Christiandom is a bad thing.
"Your Muslim? Your fired"
"Your Christian? Your fired"
"Your Jewish? Your fired"
THe law protects you from this "conformity", but the law does not protect you (and in some places punishes you) for being gay.
"Remove the picture of your gay lover or your fired"
Religion is a choice - and sexual orientation is not a choice. It is an urge - and while some people are confused, some people go both ways, etc it is really a feeling. For me, just thinking about kissing another guy is totally revolting and makes me want to puke - so no I really don't have a choice about my sexual orientation. I have friends, who are gay and lesbian, who agree with me - to them kissing someone of the opposite sex is revolting. I do not know your sexual orientation - but lets assume you are a straight male...Would you go with another male? Why not? And don't tell me "cause i don't want to" - explain it. I explained my reasoning - I feel nautious and sick thinking about it - along the lines of having sex with an animal. But that is my biology.
The thing is with gay rights - people don't want to have to hide it - just like people don't want to have to hide their religion. THe same rights that protect religion should protect sexual orientation - no matter if you think it is a choice or not a choice (even more so if it is not a choice). Also, gay rights needs to be fought for because many states do not allow gays to get married with their significant others. How unfair is that.
As for proving if you are gay or not...a private investigator follows you for a few months -- eventually you will get caught. And, obviously, there are the stereotypical gays which scream gay at a mile away.
While I am not Christian myself, I think I find the statement: In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy: wholly offensive. Just because there are a bunch of rotten apples in the position of power/leadership in the Christian community does not mean the entire community (or the faith) is bad.
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wouldn't be such a bad thing.
Girl + Guy + Girl = (as my lesbian hippy friend says) "Dreamy"
I don't understand why Bill didn't just tell him to fuck off.
;)
Hey Bill may be the richest man, but he already learned that messing with the powers that be will land him a smack down - or another anti-trust suit
MS and the PC Clone made computers cheaper. MAC was, and to a large part still is, very expensive. They, until recently (and still to a large part) are more locked down then Windows.
Yes, obviously, donating 1% of his 60 billion dollar worth (which equal 600 million) is nothing at all. HIs donation of 45 million to TB/AIDs research, also means nothing.
The positive things he has done for the industry you ask. Well you may say Windows sucks - but software like windows is what helped bring the non-technical person to the computer - and that brought their money - which helped increase the computer industry to what it is today.
So far the only person speaking out of his ass is you. But then again, the problem with speaking with people like you - no matter what we show that Bill or people like him have done as positive - you will say "well that doesn't count, because its a cheap stunt." I guess everyone donating donates as a cheap stunt. Your a troll - go jack off to a porn mag.
oh please, get off it. The high horse ain't that high. 1) if you can't learn to forgive people for doing bad things (i didn't say forget) then you are probably in a world of trouble yourself 2) lets not forget all the good that Billy has also done. I would list it all, but I don't have a day or two to do all of that research.
And since we are not mind-readers, our only source of insight into Bill Gates' head is, well, Bill Gates.
you inspire me.