Whats with all the Overrated mods I get? It's like almost every post I make that gets a positive mod is countered by someone with an Overrated...is this like the new hip mod? Sheesh - just cause you don't think my shit's funny doesn't mean its overrated when someone else does.
When I first read this article on/. I was about to make a post "uhm hasn't this already been posted on/. before?" Then I realized I had read it on CNN one or two days ago...
Secrets? Secrets? You mean like that Closed Source thingy? I am sorry, on/. we, the powers that be, do not respect secrets - especially if it could bring about that {Dr Evil Voice} evil {/Dr Evil Voice} Closed Source
An American company operating in a foreign country is subject to that foreign countries laws and American laws. That is one of the "problems" with American companies going to other countries. For example, in some countries it is not only legal but it is expected of you to bribe a gov't official if you plan on getting a permit to do something. In the US that is a big no-no. Now American company wants to get the permit - they are kinda screwed - damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Now is an Indian country subject to American laws if they trade with America? Well that depends on the trade treaties between the two countries - but I would bet money on the trade agreements having some verbage about respecting American law if you want to trade w/America (and vis a vis).
So if I wanted to fight drug laws, by saying that people who want to use cocaine should be allowed to - I should then start to do that by snorting lines of coke in front of the supreme court? Not to mention that I may not be a coke user, just advocating people's rights to do what they want with their own bodies.
Please do not use King's cause and name to compare it to the lawlessness you propose - stealing. King worked within the system - he told his people to work within the system - protesting is a right that we have. Also, his cause was a bit different - rights for minorities. Compared to some people's notions on rights of having music/movies given to them for free.
There we go- that will solve our problems. Instead of fighting bad laws - within the system - we will break the laws. That way the MPAA/RIAA can actually have cases where they say "look at the bad evil piraters who steal our contact. Oh and MCC - yea that one downloads and uploads hundreds without even viewing it."
In the article they posted they notified 175,000 people who needed to be notified. The bill in the bottom article refers to some new legislation that includes breach notifications. Financial institutions are already required to notify if such breaches happen. This has been in place for years.
Sure get in an accident with me. I will still be compensated for injuries, damages to my personal property, and for pain and suffering. THe same goes for the Ameritrade clients. If any of them suffered monetary loss, identity theft, etc due to this happenstance they should be compensated. I was rebutting the OP'ers notion they should be heavily penalized by the gov't. Those penalities are, in general, only levied (wow this is getting redundant) on negligent companies. So far there is no proof of that.
As for the data not being encrypted. Where does it say that in the article? I read the article, and it is either not there or I totally missed it. If the article mentions unencrypted data my appologies - otherwise shame on you for saying the data was unencrypted.
If bad shit happens the trusted company should make amends (i.e. provide support services for those who fear identity theft, compensate those who had money stolen, etc.) But to penalize them with heavy fee's is a no-no. Those gov't penalities are, in general, levied on companies who are negligent...that is the key word you need to remember. So far there is nothing to indicate negligence.
Why, on gods green earth, your post got modded anything up, other then funny, is beyond me.
Sure there would. They are obligated by law to announce to their clients of such a loss. Once someone external to the company finds out about this information that person could leak it to the press - so it would be in their best interest to be the first to come out with this piece of news. Where did you get the idea that they can keep such an occurance secret?
Because, just like in other banking, companies hire transport services (like the armored car services you see on the street). Does this mean that things are ever 100% secure? NO....then again, Ameritrade - a company that does not specialize in transportation of goods in a secure fashion could hire their own people and do a job that is probably sub-par to say Brinks security systems. They hire specialists.
No, you are taking my words out of context. Next time read, comprehend and try not to just spout words to attempt to make a point. Again to reiterate: "If someone was grossly at fault they should be flayed," See this is blaming and punishing the parties who showed negligence. Now to continue "if it was a pure accident (as such things happen) well it is what it is", see this shows that accidents happen and nobody is at fault. Such things could happen from glitches in the tracking system, mother nature, vandals/thieves, etc. While a company should try and minimize negative effects to their clients, bad things happen even when people take proper precautions.
It's doubtful that current and former customers with exploited information will care how this occurred.
While I would be upset if this was my personal information, if Ameritrade did what they were supposed to do (as in ensuring the shipping company was a decent company) then I would not be so uptight about the situation. People like to scream, shout and vent. Shit happens. If someone was grossly at fault they should be flayed, if it was a pure accident (as such things happen) well it is what it is.
Ok so if Bill adds Solitaire to this program will that make you happy? The fact that OnStar and cell phones do different things does not make a difference - they are patented products that deal with 911.
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which seems an upgrade from its previous status as a communist cancer
This was said five and four years ago (respectively). Sheesh - you know companies can change mindsets....Even a stone can change with time.
Whats with all the Overrated mods I get? It's like almost every post I make that gets a positive mod is countered by someone with an Overrated...is this like the new hip mod? Sheesh - just cause you don't think my shit's funny doesn't mean its overrated when someone else does.
When I first read this article on /. I was about to make a post "uhm hasn't this already been posted on /. before?" Then I realized I had read it on CNN one or two days ago...
Which in gov't contract speak, still means "a price far heavier then if you were a private consumer....CHUMP!"
(Technological) Secrets make a nation thrive
/. we, the powers that be, do not respect secrets - especially if it could bring about that
Secrets? Secrets? You mean like that Closed Source thingy? I am sorry, on
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Closed Source
An American company operating in a foreign country is subject to that foreign countries laws and American laws. That is one of the "problems" with American companies going to other countries. For example, in some countries it is not only legal but it is expected of you to bribe a gov't official if you plan on getting a permit to do something. In the US that is a big no-no. Now American company wants to get the permit - they are kinda screwed - damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Now is an Indian country subject to American laws if they trade with America? Well that depends on the trade treaties between the two countries - but I would bet money on the trade agreements having some verbage about respecting American law if you want to trade w/America (and vis a vis).
So if I wanted to fight drug laws, by saying that people who want to use cocaine should be allowed to - I should then start to do that by snorting lines of coke in front of the supreme court? Not to mention that I may not be a coke user, just advocating people's rights to do what they want with their own bodies.
Please do not use King's cause and name to compare it to the lawlessness you propose - stealing. King worked within the system - he told his people to work within the system - protesting is a right that we have. Also, his cause was a bit different - rights for minorities. Compared to some people's notions on rights of having music/movies given to them for free.
This award should be given to MacGuyver - we know it was really him who did this.
IN all honesty, this is geekdom at it's finest!
As prisons will soon hold some of the brightest minds in our societies. Full pre-graduates, post-graduates, etc.
A person convicted of a felony cannot vote (assuming they completed their prison sentence)?
There we go- that will solve our problems. Instead of fighting bad laws - within the system - we will break the laws. That way the MPAA/RIAA can actually have cases where they say "look at the bad evil piraters who steal our contact. Oh and MCC - yea that one downloads and uploads hundreds without even viewing it."
put music files on my shared directory, so i can access this from any one of my computers at home - i must go to jail? Screw you bush.
In the article they posted they notified 175,000 people who needed to be notified. The bill in the bottom article refers to some new legislation that includes breach notifications. Financial institutions are already required to notify if such breaches happen. This has been in place for years.
Sure get in an accident with me. I will still be compensated for injuries, damages to my personal property, and for pain and suffering. THe same goes for the Ameritrade clients. If any of them suffered monetary loss, identity theft, etc due to this happenstance they should be compensated. I was rebutting the OP'ers notion they should be heavily penalized by the gov't. Those penalities are, in general, only levied (wow this is getting redundant) on negligent companies. So far there is no proof of that.
As for the data not being encrypted. Where does it say that in the article? I read the article, and it is either not there or I totally missed it. If the article mentions unencrypted data my appologies - otherwise shame on you for saying the data was unencrypted.
If bad shit happens the trusted company should make amends (i.e. provide support services for those who fear identity theft, compensate those who had money stolen, etc.) But to penalize them with heavy fee's is a no-no. Those gov't penalities are, in general, levied on companies who are negligent...that is the key word you need to remember. So far there is nothing to indicate negligence.
Why, on gods green earth, your post got modded anything up, other then funny, is beyond me.
Sure there would. They are obligated by law to announce to their clients of such a loss. Once someone external to the company finds out about this information that person could leak it to the press - so it would be in their best interest to be the first to come out with this piece of news. Where did you get the idea that they can keep such an occurance secret?
How do you know the data was not encrypted? I read the article, I do not recall seeing anything about encryption.
Because, just like in other banking, companies hire transport services (like the armored car services you see on the street). Does this mean that things are ever 100% secure? NO....then again, Ameritrade - a company that does not specialize in transportation of goods in a secure fashion could hire their own people and do a job that is probably sub-par to say Brinks security systems. They hire specialists.
No, you are taking my words out of context. Next time read, comprehend and try not to just spout words to attempt to make a point. Again to reiterate: "If someone was grossly at fault they should be flayed," See this is blaming and punishing the parties who showed negligence. Now to continue "if it was a pure accident (as such things happen) well it is what it is", see this shows that accidents happen and nobody is at fault. Such things could happen from glitches in the tracking system, mother nature, vandals/thieves, etc. While a company should try and minimize negative effects to their clients, bad things happen even when people take proper precautions.
The only people who don't think it's fine are the people who own IP they want to get rich from
I guess I am also the only exception to this rule?
It's doubtful that current and former customers with exploited information will care how this occurred.
While I would be upset if this was my personal information, if Ameritrade did what they were supposed to do (as in ensuring the shipping company was a decent company) then I would not be so uptight about the situation. People like to scream, shout and vent. Shit happens. If someone was grossly at fault they should be flayed, if it was a pure accident (as such things happen) well it is what it is.
like any other girl- she still won't have sex with me. Stupid broad.
Ok so if Bill adds Solitaire to this program will that make you happy? The fact that OnStar and cell phones do different things does not make a difference - they are patented products that deal with 911.
Ok I will, give me one sec to just mod you down Troll....DOH!!!
Like that evil OnStar. Or that evil cell phone company with the preset 9 to dial 911 huh?